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Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1043	Posted - 2014.05.28 03:40:00 - [1] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: This would likely mean AUR, along with some sort of conversion (or some such thing) for SP and ISK. As far as SP goes, to eliminate the influx of 50M-SP characters on day 1 of Legion, I strongly suggest that you implement a 'for every x million SP, you will have a 30-day passive SP booster pre-injected on your Legion character' (or whatever the equivalent is - for all I know it has a subscription plan like planet side ). This will make veterans gain Legion SP in line with their Dust SP, without front-loading it or discouraging fresh Legion players from trying to keep up. I absolutely disagree with this. I want my investment of time and resources (sometimes from active or omega boosters from events) to be transferred as cleanly as possible to Legion when the time comes. I do NOT want to grind for it again. There is no true transfer of my investment if I have to make the exact same investment as a non-transferred character. If they perhaps adjusted our passive SP gain (even if they still maintain that system) to drastically increase SP to a predetermined number corresponding with our old Dust character so you essentially achieve full SP investment in say 90 days...that might be legit. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1047	Posted - 2014.05.28 06:14:00 - [2] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: This would likely mean AUR, along with some sort of conversion (or some such thing) for SP and ISK. As far as SP goes, to eliminate the influx of 50M-SP characters on day 1 of Legion, I strongly suggest that you implement a 'for every x million SP, you will have a 30-day passive SP booster pre-injected on your Legion character' (or whatever the equivalent is - for all I know it has a subscription plan like planet side ). This will make veterans gain Legion SP in line with their Dust SP, without front-loading it or discouraging fresh Legion players from trying to keep up. I absolutely disagree with this. I want my investment of time and resources (sometimes from active or omega boosters from events) to be transferred as cleanly as possible to Legion when the time comes. I do NOT want to grind for it again. There is no true transfer of my investment if I have to make the exact same investment as a non-transferred character. If they perhaps adjusted our passive SP gain (even if they still maintain that system) to drastically increase SP to a predetermined number corresponding with our old Dust character so you essentially achieve full SP investment in say 90 days...that might be legit. Um.... What? It sounds like you agree more than you disagree. Sponk(x3) said: "...This will make veterans gain Legion SP in line with their Dust SP" ---> You said: "...increase SP to a predetermined number corresponding with our old Dust character" Sponk said: "...passive SP booster pre-injected on your Legion character" ---> You said: "If they perhaps adjusted our passive SP gain..." Yeah. Sounds like you both pretty much want the same exact thing. In which case, I agree with both of your sentiments. I too would like a transfer of my SP via passive-SP manipulation -- such that we get, in time, Legion SP that is equivalent to our DUST SP. It's not the same at all. Sponk is advocating for normal 30day boosters to be keyed to your character in X increments based on the amount of SP you have. If you have a 30/40/50 mil SP character it will take you well over a year to recoup that amount of SP in the system Sponk is advocating. Honestly...you're talking at least 11mo's to hit about the 30 SP mark. 1) I do not agree with needing to "re-grind" in any way. My opinion is that you should get whatever the equivalent amount of SP would be in Legion, unallocated, from day one of your transfer. 2) If for whatever reason that's not possible I strongly advocate for a more significant step than what Sponk is proposing. The 90 day bench mark I referenced was simply a defined maximum window in which SP should equal your Dust level IF the concern is too much of an imbalance at launch. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1048	Posted - 2014.05.28 14:15:00 - [3] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: It's not the same at all. Sponk is advocating for normal 30day boosters to be keyed to your character in X increments based on the amount of SP you have. If you have a 30/40/50 mil SP character it will take you well over a year to recoup that amount of SP in the system Sponk is advocating. Honestly...you're talking at least 11mo's to hit about the 30 SP mark. 1) I do not agree with needing to "re-grind" in any way. My opinion is that you should get whatever the equivalent amount of SP would be in Legion, unallocated, from day one of your transfer. 2) If for whatever reason that's not possible I strongly advocate for a more significant step than what Sponk is proposing. The 90 day bench mark I referenced was simply a defined maximum window in which SP should equal your Dust level IF the concern is too much of an imbalance at launch. I never said it was "the same." Do note that preceding the word "same" were the words: "pretty much." Which, of course, denotes that there are, in fact, differences. In addition, the sentiment is more or less the same. Which is to say, the core idea: the crux. That is the important thing, and that is where there is no disagreement from what I can see. You said you "absolutely disagree" with Sponk's idea. But you don't. What you don't agree upon are the tertiary details. However, the tertiary detail of how long do we accrue our DUST SP (and other related details) are not insignificant. You mention a 90-day benchmark. Roughly three months... I have trouble with that only if we start getting our DUST SP upon beta entrance. Three months into a beta, and people are pushing mid-8 digit SP amounts (or the Legion equivalent) -- and the game has yet to be officially released. Another related detail: why does getting our DUST SP back have to be a completely passive affair? Should there be an active accrual of our DUST SP (on top of passive, not instead of)? I myself would say a six-month SP accrual for passive, in addition to extra 'active SP accrual' to encourage playing AND whittle down the time it take to get your SP back from six-months to, say, three/four with active play. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1051	Posted - 2014.05.28 19:37:00 - [4] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: snip lol... +1 Guy, I'm not fencing with you or trolling you. You reading way to much into what I'm saying and implying that you clearly understand what you think my intent is when you really don't know. No need for us to throw jabs and derail the thread. If I didn't communicate effectively enough to you - sorry. I do know what grinding is...i just don't want to do any of it again, period. My point is that if my desired option isn't viable then i'll adjust my perspective based on the newly defined parameters, it's really that simple. Good debate on topic (roughly!) is always welcome though. So i guess my question back you is what do you think a fair way of transfering SP would be? On that note, there may really not be clean ways to do this depending on how CCP Z's concept plays out. Do you think ISK, ISK derived assets, BPOs, and AUR should come over as is, at all, or with some type of exchange? "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1053	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:17:00 - [5] - Quote For me having my name and SP carry over trumps all. However, don't get me wrong, I have quite a few BPOs that I would like to carry over and a healthy stockpile of ISK. I suspect they will come up with a limited conversion of some sorts. Specific to BPOs....that one is tough to calculate. I think it will depend heavily on how they handle BPOs in Legion. If they function similar to Eve BPOs where it will produce only X number of copies over a given time I could see a viable way to bring them over. I think folks would be fooling themselves if they think BPOs in their current form will make it into Legion. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen

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