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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

I asked Saberwing this on Twitter:
"If Legion is a different game why is CCP stating that everything will transfer? I want a transfer but I am confused Legion=DUST?"
"Because we want to honor player's investments and commitments. We're using our learnings from DUST for Legion."

So I am guessing that Aurum will transfer over. SP as well. I highly doubt ISK will. It makes the prices for things like Shield Extenders too high for new players because you can just sell them for 30,000 because the people coming from DUST with 50, 100, 500 million, a billion ISK would buy them. The new player would be screwed. With the ISK firehouse that was PC, I don't see that transferring at all.

The problem, though, is not Aurum. That is an easy number. You have 23,304 Aurum left, that transfers easily enough. The problem is Aurum items and BPO's. In Legion, Aurum modules will not exist. Alright, so CCP could refund Aurum for the purchases made... but they can't. How many people have Aurum Forge Guns or HMG's from the Heavy event? Do they refund those; how could they tell "those came from the event" rather than someone buying them? What if they bought a bunch of stuff on sale? I mean, a LOT of people bought Militia BPO's when they amounted to 25 cents each worth of AUR and were later increased to 5 dollars worth of AUR. Do they suddenly get hundreds of thousands or millions of Aurum free?

Bigger issue: things bought for straight money. I have 350 prototype melee damage mods and 7 Dragonfly Scouts from the Mercenary packs. They were 20 dollars each. Those melee damage mods could not be gotten anywhere else; they have no requirements for +25% damage. What are they worth for Aurum? What about my Dren pack? 100 dollars that gave me BPO suits, weapons, and LAV. Those don't have an Aurum value. I bought 100 dollars for THOSE items not for 100 dollars worth of Aurum. That would be like Walmart taking away my 100 dollar TV from my living room and giving me a 100 dollar stereo.

Honestly? I don't think CCP has an answer yet. They obviously want to transfer "player's investments" because that is basically asking to lose all faith with your customers if you do a "thanks for beta testing what is now Legion; please buy everything you had again." But there are a lot of hard questions that they really do not know how to handle. I know you didn't want speculation but until a developer lays it all out on the table it is all we got.

Would love a blue tag as well. *activates the CCP-signal*


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EmmaNation Lanados Ranger Corp 8	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:17:00 - [1] - Quote I originally came to the forum in a hot and heavy mess to repost my twitter question @dust514 is it even worth continuing my dust character if i plan on playing legion? All my aurum (really care about)? my SP (kinda care)? and then expand on that for a 2k character wall of text and fury. Then I read some of the dev posts and calmed down a considerable amount, but there's that one nagging question. Since you've said that if the game is actually produced, you would transfer SP and as many assets as you could (even mentioning isk), my only concern is about the AURUM. Will there be a system to transfer AURUM from my dust character, that i will never play again once legion goes live, to my shiny legion character (that should have a decent set of SP, ISK, and some assets to start off)? Even a dev post saying "We want to do this and recognize how important it is. We have no idea if it's legally possible (deals with sony?), or how that process would work yet (technical coding wizardry and all that?), but we want to. And as soon as we know, you'll know." would make me less frantic. Right now, there is absolutely no reason to keep paying for AURUM in dust (and I still have a quite large supply). If I get the half-assed answer I suggested, I still wouldn't buy more AURUM, but I'd feel better about playing dust for awhile. If I get a great answer saying that you will absolutely, 100%, make that a reality I will sing your praises to the heavens and tell all my PC friends to rejoice in the second coming... or some such nonsense. All I really want is a dev post, or someone linking to a dev post, video, or the like. Speculation is what caused my forum search to be an unnecessarily long process already.
EmmaNation Lanados Ranger Corp 8	Posted - 2014.05.28 00:18:00 - [2] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Our assets are saved on the Tranquility Server Cluster (in MS SQL). Sony doesn't own or have access to those servers. Sony gets their cut during the initial transaction, so they should be adequately compensated... That's what I was thinking too, so I hope they don't have anything to do with the transfer. Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I asked Saberwing this on Twitter: "If Legion is a different game why is CCP stating that everything will transfer? I want a transfer but I am confused Legion=DUST?" "Because we want to honor player's investments and commitments. We're using our learnings from DUST for Legion." So I am guessing that Aurum will transfer over. SP as well. I highly doubt ISK will. It makes the prices for things like Shield Extenders too high for new players because you can just sell them for 30,000 because the people coming from DUST with 50, 100, 500 million, a billion ISK would buy them. The new player would be screwed. With the ISK firehouse that was PC, I don't see that transferring at all. The problem, though, is not Aurum. That is an easy number. You have 23,304 Aurum left, that transfers easily enough. The problem is Aurum items and BPO's. In Legion, Aurum modules will not exist. Alright, so CCP could refund Aurum for the purchases made... but they can't. How many people have Aurum Forge Guns or HMG's from the Heavy event? Do they refund those; how could they tell "those came from the event" rather than someone buying them? What if they bought a bunch of stuff on sale? I mean, a LOT of people bought Militia BPO's when they amounted to 25 cents each worth of AUR and were later increased to 5 dollars worth of AUR. Do they suddenly get hundreds of thousands or millions of Aurum free? Bigger issue: things bought for straight money. I have 350 prototype melee damage mods and 7 Dragonfly Scouts from the Mercenary packs. They were 20 dollars each. Those melee damage mods could not be gotten anywhere else; they have no requirements for +25% damage. What are they worth for Aurum? What about my Dren pack? 100 dollars that gave me BPO suits, weapons, and LAV. Those don't have an Aurum value. I bought 100 dollars for THOSE items not for 100 dollars worth of Aurum. That would be like Walmart taking away my 100 dollar TV from my living room and giving me a 100 dollar stereo. Honestly? I don't think CCP has an answer yet. They obviously want to transfer "player's investments" because that is basically asking to lose all faith with your customers if you do a "thanks for beta testing what is now Legion; please buy everything you had again." But there are a lot of hard questions that they really do not know how to handle. I know you didn't want speculation but until a developer lays it all out on the table it is all we got. Would love a blue tag as well. activates the CCP-signal They have said isk and assets will transfer over (whenever feasible). That's why I was asking about AURUM. I can definitely see that there may be some items that just don't transfer over because they don't have an equivalent (or similar enough) item in the newer game, and I hope that doesn't happen. Really I'm just looking for some sort of response about AURUM specifically because that's the only thing that hasn't been specifically said yet (that I in particular care about). Most other things should be acquirable in game without spending more cash. That's my main point... I don't want to spend more cash unless I have to on a new game.
EmmaNation Lanados Ranger Corp 8	Posted - 2014.05.28 18:18:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: We're still working on the full migration plan, but what I can say is what I've mentioned before: We want to preserve people's investments in to the game to the best of our ability (without destroying the future game's economy, progression, etc!) This would likely mean AUR, along with some sort of conversion (or some such thing) for SP and ISK. Again, things are still being ironed out, but we'll announce the full details as soon as we can. Needless to say we're working hard on it I'm not sure what debate is going on later in the thread, but thank you for the post. It lets me rest easy knowing that you're working in good faith towards a product that doesn't waste the time and money investment we put into Dust. I still won't be buying more Aurum, just in case. Thank You