DUST Search - My Likes and Dislikes about what Ive heard so far

Maken Tosch wrote:

Aizen Intiki wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Aizen Intiki wrote:

non-racial suits makes no sense lore wise, as everything is made by someone, and every manufacturer is aligned with someone.

Also makes it very odd to give them bonuses, or even fit layout.

CCP could implement Concord-sponsored dropsuits. Concord is a neutral faction that is present in literally every corner of New Eden with the exception of Jove space, wormhole space, low, and null sec.

@OP

You should read every reply that CCP Z has made in the thread I linked. It's very informative and shows the level of involvement going on.

What, you gonna bring in CONCORD weapons and vehicles as well? Also, that doesn't solve the problem with bonuses.

Also, Mercs go through academies like the caps last time I checked. Therefore, wouldn't they use whatever equipment that academy has? Obviously they would. Academies are racial, so they would have racial gear to use.

Say hello to my Gnosis. Cool

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gnosis

If CCP had no problem bringing in a ship that doesn't require training up a specific race of ships as a prerequisite, then it shouldn't be a problem introducing a neutral suit into Legion.

EDIT: The Jove Directorate may be a race as well like all the others, but it is technically the most neutral race there is. Other than Sleeper Technology, a good portion of our technological advancement came from the Jovians.

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Magpie Raven ZionTCD Top Men. 434	Posted - 2014.05.27 01:55:00 - [1] - Quote Likes Removal of Tiers: Yes! yes! yes! Ive never been a fan of the tier system. In my opinion it causes many of the issues Dust 514 has with balance, and protostomping. You just cant pit someone rocking Proto gear that does more damage along with boosted stats due to skills against someone using Basic and expect it to be fun for everyone. Its also a main reason why people get frustrated and quit Addition of generic non-racial dropsuits: Very cool idea. I am always in favor of more cool looking toys. I'll do a post about my ideas on them later Making it easier to understand: Very good. It can be intimidating and confusing for first time players. And mistakes are common even with older players Increasing the ability to specialize: Specializations beyond "Caldari Assault" is always good. Especially if they will be useful and cool, not just filler to lengthen the tree and as an SP sink. Meta level matchmaking: Great idea! I suggested this idea months ago but it never got anywhere on the forums. Maybe you guys saw it, or maybe not. Either way I approve Dislikes and why Removal of the 1-5 level system: Removing this system is just a part of the dumbing down problem Im seeing. And the resulting changes to accommodate a simple "unlock once and im done" process, I don't think many people will like. "Roles" locking skills/items into certain trees: Please just no. If I, as a Caldari Assault player, want to put armor plates on then I should be able to. I should not be forced to go down the Gallente tree just so I can unlock plates. Or if I want to be a scout with a Mass Driver. Don't force me to train Logistic skills just so I can get that weapon. Permanent Dropsuits: This goes against everything New Eden stands for. Everything should have a price and everything can be lost. When I heard this I kinda screamed in my head "NOOoooo. Why? That makes no sense" Overall sense of "dumbing it down": This is just the overall feeling Im getting from the info that Ive heard. In this game players enjoy the complexity, and having a long term goal to reach. Not the instant gratification and simplicity found in BF and COD. I agree it needs to be easier to understand, and made more accessible, but I fear its being gone about the wrong way. Possible Alternative Solutions 1. Removing the 1-5 system is a mistake I think. I know you want to remove tiers but leveling skills is also how we get our bonuses and unlock specializations. Does this mean you plan to give a flat one time bonus when something is skilled into? Or are bonuses going away? Instead why not give certain items multiple prerequisites? For example to use the Mass driver requires Light Weaponry at lvl 4, Projectile Tech at lvl 3, and Explosives at lvl 1. This way we can keep our bonuses and the levels still serve a purpose 2. Please do not "lock" certain items into Role Trees. Things need to be kept separate in the Weaponry, Dropsuits, Module, and Vehicle Trees. It is important that it be made clear what skills are useful for what roles and to try and minimize player mistakes but it should not be done by forcing players down specific trees. Instead do it through educating players and through certificate systems. 3. No. Ive tried thinking of ways it could work and ways that it could be changed to achieve the desired effect but I cant think of anything. The only thing stopping a player from using his coolest new suit would be funding. So why not just keep dropsuits cheap? Let them become expensive through modules 4. Everyone agrees that changes need to be made so that the game is easier to understand and be made more accessible to the normal, causal player. But dont forget about your core player base. The complexity and higher level thinking is what attracts and holds alot of player. It shouldn't be made super complicated but don't dumb it down all in the name of trying to appeal to a certain crowd of players. Because in the long run they wont stick around. As soon as the next BF, COD, or Halo comes out they will all jump ship to play those games. Keep it enjoyable for us guys who play EVE or who wish they could but lack the time or patience to.
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 204	Posted - 2014.05.27 02:20:00 - [2] - Quote I'll add more later, but for now: Magpie Raven wrote: Possible Alternative Solutions 4. Everyone agrees that changes need to be made so that the game is easier to understand and be made more accessible to the normal, causal player. But dont forget about your core player base. The complexity and higher level thinking is what attracts and holds alot of player. It shouldn't be made super complicated but don't dumb it down all in the name of trying to appeal to a certain crowd of players. Because in the long run they wont stick around. As soon as the next BF, COD, or Halo comes out they will all jump ship to play those games. Keep it enjoyable for us guys who play EVE or who wish they could but lack the time or patience to. Tool Tips will let us keep the complexity and also address more casual players. Support Tool Tips; Legion needs them. Lovin' daddy Rattati!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8711	Posted - 2014.05.27 02:38:00 - [3] - Quote You could post this on the Progression thread listed in the stickies. Obviously CCP Z is reading all of those 31 pages and I don't mean it sarcastically. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=162335&find=unread On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Magpie Raven ZionTCD Top Men. 434	Posted - 2014.05.27 02:41:00 - [4] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: You could post this on the Progression thread listed in the stickies. Obviously CCP Z is reading all of those 31 pages and I don't mean it sarcastically. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=162335&find=unread Oh thanks for the info. Didnt notice that. Ill repost it there in a bit
Aizen Intiki shadows of 514 793	Posted - 2014.05.27 03:04:00 - [5] - Quote non-racial suits makes no sense lore wise, as everything is made by someone, and every manufacturer is aligned with someone. Also makes it very odd to give them bonuses, or even fit layout. Alt of the great Fish God, Godin blub
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8711	Posted - 2014.05.27 03:12:00 - [6] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: non-racial suits makes no sense lore wise, as everything is made by someone, and every manufacturer is aligned with someone. Also makes it very odd to give them bonuses, or even fit layout. CCP could implement Concord-sponsored dropsuits. Concord is a neutral faction that is present in literally every corner of New Eden with the exception of Jove space, wormhole space, low, and null sec. @OP You should read every reply that CCP Z has made in the thread I linked. It's very informative and shows the level of involvement going on. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Aizen Intiki shadows of 514 793	Posted - 2014.05.27 03:21:00 - [7] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: non-racial suits makes no sense lore wise, as everything is made by someone, and every manufacturer is aligned with someone. Also makes it very odd to give them bonuses, or even fit layout. CCP could implement Concord-sponsored dropsuits. Concord is a neutral faction that is present in literally every corner of New Eden with the exception of Jove space, wormhole space, low, and null sec. @OP You should read every reply that CCP Z has made in the thread I linked. It's very informative and shows the level of involvement going on. What, you gonna bring in CONCORD weapons and vehicles as well? Also, that doesn't solve the problem with bonuses. Also, Mercs go through academies like the caps last time I checked. Therefore, wouldn't they use whatever equipment that academy has? Obviously they would. Academies are racial, so they would have racial gear to use. So it still makes little sense. Lastly, CONCORD suits would be considered a non-faction suit, so still racial. Again, it makes no sense................ Alt of the great Fish God, Godin blub
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8711	Posted - 2014.05.27 03:28:00 - [8] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: non-racial suits makes no sense lore wise, as everything is made by someone, and every manufacturer is aligned with someone. Also makes it very odd to give them bonuses, or even fit layout. CCP could implement Concord-sponsored dropsuits. Concord is a neutral faction that is present in literally every corner of New Eden with the exception of Jove space, wormhole space, low, and null sec. @OP You should read every reply that CCP Z has made in the thread I linked. It's very informative and shows the level of involvement going on. What, you gonna bring in CONCORD weapons and vehicles as well? Also, that doesn't solve the problem with bonuses. Also, Mercs go through academies like the caps last time I checked. Therefore, wouldn't they use whatever equipment that academy has? Obviously they would. Academies are racial, so they would have racial gear to use. Say hello to my Gnosis. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gnosis If CCP had no problem bringing in a ship that doesn't require training up a specific race of ships as a prerequisite, then it shouldn't be a problem introducing a neutral suit into Legion. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Aizen Intiki shadows of 514 793	Posted - 2014.05.27 04:03:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: non-racial suits makes no sense lore wise, as everything is made by someone, and every manufacturer is aligned with someone. Also makes it very odd to give them bonuses, or even fit layout. CCP could implement Concord-sponsored dropsuits. Concord is a neutral faction that is present in literally every corner of New Eden with the exception of Jove space, wormhole space, low, and null sec. @OP You should read every reply that CCP Z has made in the thread I linked. It's very informative and shows the level of involvement going on. What, you gonna bring in CONCORD weapons and vehicles as well? Also, that doesn't solve the problem with bonuses. Also, Mercs go through academies like the caps last time I checked. Therefore, wouldn't they use whatever equipment that academy has? Obviously they would. Academies are racial, so they would have racial gear to use. Say hello to my Gnosis. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gnosis If CCP had no problem bringing in a ship that doesn't require training up a specific race of ships as a prerequisite, then it shouldn't be a problem introducing a neutral suit into Legion. EDIT: The Jove Directorate may be a race as well like all the others, but it is technically the most neutral race there is. Other than Sleeper Technology, a good portion of our technological advancement came from the Jovians. Gnosis has very high bonuses and can be fit a lot of ways. Also is a battlecruiser (something you don't usually start with), and a expensive T I BC at that. Also, it's not made by the Jove, it's made by the SoCT (made by the Jove, but not the Jove). There's no rookie ship that has no race. Also, I like how you completely ignore several parts of my argument, key parts at that. And before you ask, no. You have eyes, go read it. Alt of the great Fish God, Godin blub
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8712	Posted - 2014.05.27 04:38:00 - [10] - Quote @Aizen Intiki In regards to your statement about rookie ships, CCP can just implement the Legion equivalent of rookie suits just like how Eve Online has rookie ships. The Ibis, the Velator, etc. That can work. In regards to the academy, if CCP Z's progression system is implemented as stated in his Fanfest 2014 Progression Presentation (available on YouTube) then that means there will have to be a neutral academy along with neutral starter suits because the race will not be picked until AFTER you trained up a role. Honestly, I see nothing wrong at all about implementing something neutral into the game. It's not like if it gets implemented then suddenly Satan emerges and we all start having demonic sex orgies after seeing Armageddon. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.



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