There will be a player market in legion, thats what i'm talking about. I'd rather have the isk then the sp

They have no idea what and how much they can transfer over, if at all.

And there is no player market to sell, nor will there be in dust.

I know it's safer to use them since we know sp will transfer to legion but I was hoping to sell them on the market. Also what are your ideas on isk carrying over? Any and all theories are welcome.

They are already making trading/market in legion. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=163080&find=unread

I know it's safer to use them since we know sp will transfer to legion but I was hoping to sell them on the market. Also what are your ideas on isk carrying over? Any and all theories are welcome.

Why do people keep saying that things will transfer over.

A) There is no official statement from Leadership at CCP about transferring anything

B) CCP will not jeopardize their profits for the sake of a few former Dust players getting a head start

C) Use them and enjoy the game and stop posting nonsense on the forums about things that won't happen. They will not transfer anything. They only stated that it is theoretically possible in so many words. Stop making people think they will transfer anything at all

Enjoy the game as is and think of legion as a separate game. use the boosters and progress until the end. Don't let them goto waste.

Personally, I have a very strong theory that the player base will reduce to a point where the game will be unplayable. This will happen before the end of the year. Go for broke.

So your saying the whole Q&A by Rogue was basicly bs? Im not saying your wrong I just want more of an explanation than "no". Sure legion is gonna be on pc with a different name but I don't think calling it a differnt game is entirely fair either.

Look, your optimisms is refreshing but at the end of the day I live in reality. CCP is failing and their jobs are on the line...literally. They just sold Valkyrie to Riot Games for no reason. If they had half a brain they would be able to develop it and make more money the first year it was out then what they sold it for. They Cancelled WoD for no reason. They could have crowd sourced from 10's of thousands of people that would have happily donated 10 bucks to see it get done.

CCP will need you to spend money on micro transactions in order for them to keep a free to play game, Legion, a competitive game in the industry. Giving you free stuff will undermine any ability early on for them to do this. I assure you, they are going to start everyone off from scratch on a new system. They are in rapid desperation for money and it is 100% obvious that this is the case.

I want you to ask yourself right now. How many people will play Legion tomorrow if it was released tomorrow? The answer is, a percentage of Dust players and whoever they are able to tap into through the median they distribute the game. If it gets released on Steam then their player base will be quite high right? If they release it like they do Eve, the player base will be "some percentage of current Dust players and Eve Players". That small number of players must keep the game afloat and the only way to do that is micro transactions and/or monthly billing of $X OR some combination.

You have to understand they want to make money. Transferring people's stuff over is not going to increase or decrease the number of players that come from Dust and make those same players commit to micro transactions. They will likely start people off with some things like in game currency or in game items but in no way are you going to have a significant head start over a brand new Legion Player that never played dust. They NEED people to make micro transactions

All of that being said, I have a very strong feeling that CCP will be bankrupt before Legion is even out. The stakeholders who invest and run CCP don't have the ability to run the company correctly and do not care about you. They don't care about me or what the Dust community want. The devs care because if we aren't happy then we don't play the game and don't spend money AND finally, they don't have a job. Of course they want us to be happy. I bet you a reasonable number of them work massive overtime and are highly underpaid in order to keep us playing Dust and to help make whatever the hell else CCP Leadership wants.

Anyway, that's all. Believe what you want, IDC. At the end of the day I'm sick of doing pick up squads with some idiot saying that "CCP said they will transfer our stuff".

Riddle me this: How many active DUST players are there? ACTIVE? I'll be generous and say 4000. If CCP alienated every one of them and none took up Legion would it matter? If 4000 makes or breaks your game it was doomed anyway.

Thank you. I don't know where people got the idea that legion wouldnt have a market

So your saying the whole Q&A by Rogue was basicly bs? Im not saying your wrong I just want more of an explanation than "no". Sure legion is gonna be on pc with a different name but I don't think calling it a differnt game is entirely fair either.

4000 active players isn't generous at all considering just a few moments ago there were 4,342 players playing Dust at the same time. And that is just the same time, not all ACTIVE Dust players are logged in every single second of the day.

The problem here OP, is that you ARE going by that post. That post was made immediately after fanfest.

On the forums more people asked for more clarification. CCP rogue or Saberwing (don't remember who) responded to more then one post saying they actually don't know exactly what will transfer over due to possible legal issues with Sony, and how they are going to change the game In Legion, but to be rest assured because "we want to give you guys something to show your investment wasn't wasted".

They also reiterated the fact that transferring SP, assets and ISK is an unknown factor currently because "we dont want to disrupt the quality of the NPE".

They are literally betting on people who don't frequent the forums like yourself, and hoping you truly believe EVERYTHING will transfer so you continue to spend money.

As you've been told already by more then one person, this Is not the case. CCP has made no definitive claims on what exactly will or will not transfer over.

Edit - and by immediately after fanfest, I of course mean the what...2 weeks it took to respond? Take all this however you want to OP. And as I already said in the post above, they are looking into changing the entire SP system to something completely different. Which means your booster would be null and void.

The gist of it all is this "we dont know what will transfer over, but please keep spending money because anything is possible." It's sad, but true.

His point still stands.

4k players are a pittance for an FPS. Hence why the match making and NPE blows.

Dust was one of the most downloaded games on PSN, CCP should be lucky they still have 4k.

Hell, terraria on steam had 15k players Today, and you can experience everything that game has to offer in a single day.

His point doesn't stand at all. There are far more than 4k players that actively play Dust on a regular basis. For instance I've been playing a lot this week but I wasn't part of that 4,342 peak today. Have no clue what the actual active player base is because CCP doesn't release that sort of information, though I'm sure you could get a pretty good guess given the daily peaks.

You know there's a website that shows active players...i assume you know this because you are quoting 4,342 active players. That's active players online. Not overall. Active.

If games, like say team fortress 2, have an active player count of 15k...that's triple dusts. Do you know how old team fortress 2 is? Are you aware the biggest game breaking change that game implemented was the purchase and ability to wear hats?

Active player count shows the livelihood of a game. Dust is living in poverty.

Edit - I m sorry, I mixed terrarias active player count with TF2. TF2 has 50k active players today. I assume I don't need to point out what the disparity between the two numbers mean.

Well Rug I'd probably go ahead and get whatever use I could out of them. Who knows for sure if we will be able to use them in Legion, or even if we can how far into the future before that actually happens.

But then you'd have to play the game, which is something extremely hard to do. I find myself with such little interest after the fanfest debacle.

Thanks for giving me a straightforward anwser instead of calling me an idiot for not scouring the forums of a dieing game and keepig up with ccps financial situation. Quess i'll just have to wait and hope for the best.

Look, your optimisms is refreshing but at the end of the day I live in reality. CCP is failing and their jobs are on the line...literally. They just sold Valkyrie to Riot Games for no reason. If they had half a brain they would be able to develop it and make more money the first year it was out then what they sold it for. They Cancelled WoD for no reason. They could have crowd sourced from 10's of thousands of people that would have happily donated 10 bucks to see it get done.

CCP will need you to spend money on micro transactions in order for them to keep a free to play game, Legion, a competitive game in the industry. Giving you free stuff will undermine any ability early on for them to do this. I assure you, they are going to start everyone off from scratch on a new system. They are in rapid desperation for money and it is 100% obvious that this is the case.

I want you to ask yourself right now. How many people will play Legion tomorrow if it was released tomorrow? The answer is, a percentage of Dust players and whoever they are able to tap into through the median they distribute the game. If it gets released on Steam then their player base will be quite high right? If they release it like they do Eve, the player base will be "some percentage of current Dust players and Eve Players". That small number of players must keep the game afloat and the only way to do that is micro transactions and/or monthly billing of $X OR some combination.

You have to understand they want to make money. Transferring people's stuff over is not going to increase or decrease the number of players that come from Dust and make those same players commit to micro transactions. They will likely start people off with some things like in game currency or in game items but in no way are you going to have a significant head start over a brand new Legion Player that never played dust. They NEED people to make micro transactions

All of that being said, I have a very strong feeling that CCP will be bankrupt before Legion is even out. The stakeholders who invest and run CCP don't have the ability to run the company correctly and do not care about you. They don't care about me or what the Dust community want. The devs care because if we aren't happy then we don't play the game and don't spend money AND finally, they don't have a job. Of course they want us to be happy. I bet you a reasonable number of them work massive overtime and are highly underpaid in order to keep us playing Dust and to help make whatever the hell else CCP Leadership wants.

Anyway, that's all. Believe what you want, IDC. At the end of the day I'm sick of doing pick up squads with some idiot saying that "CCP said they will transfer our stuff".

Sigh, do you think that site actually shows the active players in Dust? Really? To be clear, there are three population values we can look at:

Total players
Active players
Online players

Total players is the total number of people who ever played Dust. Active players are the players who played a few matches over the past couple days or so. Online players are the number of players currently online at a specific moment in time. The site you mentioned only tracks currently online players. You seem to be confusing online players for active players, which is incorrect obviously.

When it comes to discussing how large your player base is, you use the number of active players as those are the people who still regularly play the game.