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Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 904	Posted - 2014.05.23 02:54:00 - [1] - Quote Paying 77k isk for a weapon is ridiculous CCP. Here's the meat: -Reduce specialized proto weapon price from 77k isk to 47k isk -reduce regular proto weapon price to 28k isk (like proto ishukone sniper rifle and Kaalokoitia FG) This would make me happy so I can run my Tac Duvolle AR because it makes me feel special a d make me feel like SWAT.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4246	Posted - 2014.05.23 02:58:00 - [2] - Quote You're not supposed to operate all weaponry at a gain. Prototype weaponry is supposed to make you operate at a loss. Advanced gear is the middle ground.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 904	Posted - 2014.05.23 03:04:00 - [3] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're not supposed to operate all weaponry at a gain. Prototype weaponry is supposed to make you operate at a loss. Advanced gear is the middle ground. Then why the fk is it their? Why is proto ishukone sniper and Basic FG 28k isk?
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 574	Posted - 2014.05.23 03:11:00 - [4] - Quote your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1174	Posted - 2014.05.23 03:14:00 - [5] - Quote Just as a point of reference, 4,000 ISK enough to let a mortal retire early. Keep that in mind the next time you buy a proto weapon. Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 904	Posted - 2014.05.23 03:19:00 - [6] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day. Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 219	Posted - 2014.05.23 03:36:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day. Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper. Are you saying you can't compete without proto? The problem here isn't the price of the suit, I can assure you. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10271	Posted - 2014.05.23 03:45:00 - [8] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day. Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper. Are you saying you can't compete without proto? The problem here isn't the price of the suit, I can assure you. LORHAK! GIT WREKT! Markdown:
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 369	Posted - 2014.05.23 03:47:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day. Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper. If you have Proto gear, you have been in the game long enough to know how to manage your bank or at least the importance of balancing the budget. That being said, if you're not competitive in Advanced gear, you're not going to be worth a **** in Proto gear either. The gear isn't that much better. The dropsuits, not weapons and modules, are where you can make a noticable difference. The minute increases in weapon and module efficacy going from ADV to PRO really aren't worth the cost, which pretty much makes it just a status symbol. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny = Biomass Console Master Race
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1752	Posted - 2014.05.23 04:04:00 - [10] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day. Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper. If you have Proto gear, you have been in the game long enough to know how to manage your bank or at least the importance of balancing the budget. That being said, if you're not competitive in Advanced gear, you're not going to be worth a **** in Proto gear either. The gear isn't that much better. The dropsuits, not weapons and modules, are where you can make a noticable difference. The minute increases in weapon and module efficacy going from ADV to PRO really aren't worth the cost, which pretty much makes it just a status symbol. You yourself said that it's the dropsuits that really make the difference. More module slots means more EHP to stack on and more EHP to stack on means much better performance. It's rather frequent that 200 HP can mean life or death. Proto suits have much more EHP than standard. The odds of winning are much higher for the proto suit than for the standard suit. Though the pricing makes it so that someone with little ISK can't afford proto to even out the odds while someone with hundreds of millions of ISK can constantly throw their ISK to gain an advantage. I agree with Sir Dukey that a price reduction should be imposed on suits, but only on suits. The power increase from standard to proto suits is too great to have proto suits cost so much. Weapons and modules are fine because they only provide marginal increases with much greater costs. Currently proto suits are mostly for those that have the ISK to spend away, while the majority can't afford proto. I believe that proto suits should be made more accessible to everyone by making them cheaper to afford. It would be much easier to fight off proto stomps if proto suits are more accessible, and proto stomps won't even be a problem then. "Fight fire with fire." "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32

CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 575	Posted - 2014.05.23 05:05:00 - [11] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day. Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper. a proto gun is not magicly going to make you a better player and able to compete. what you saying is make it easy for you to have proto weapons so you can stomp people but what about the new player who does not even have proto guns unlocked. i have a bunch of different proto guns and a bunch of isk but i like running advance stuff most of the time because why waste a bunch of isk in a pub match were winning means nothing. i never had any problem competeing in advance gear unless my bluedot are just crap and don't do anything. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4251	Posted - 2014.05.23 06:19:00 - [12] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're not supposed to operate all weaponry at a gain. Prototype weaponry is supposed to make you operate at a loss. Advanced gear is the middle ground. Then why the fk is it their? Why is proto ishukone sniper and Basic FG 28k isk? Because there is a skill point investment versus isk investment balance to take into consideration. When you lose something expensive it is meant to hurt. If there is any argument to be made, it is to make proto more expensive, not less.
THUNDERGROOVE The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 803	Posted - 2014.05.23 06:24:00 - [13] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: -Reduce the PG cost of kin katz. Lost all credibility and any chance of me backing this post. It's kinetic Catalyzer. If you must shorten it it's KinCat. Ugh TDBS Fight heavy spam with plasma cannons!
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1273	Posted - 2014.05.23 07:05:00 - [14] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: OR- you can buff my payout. Now this I like, my profession is flying dropships that rub 660k isk+ this would help a lot
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 906	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:21:00 - [15] - Quote Harpyja wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day. Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper. If you have Proto gear, you have been in the game long enough to know how to manage your bank or at least the importance of balancing the budget. That being said, if you're not competitive in Advanced gear, you're not going to be worth a **** in Proto gear either. The gear isn't that much better. The dropsuits, not weapons and modules, are where you can make a noticable difference. The minute increases in weapon and module efficacy going from ADV to PRO really aren't worth the cost, which pretty much makes it just a status symbol. You yourself said that it's the dropsuits that really make the difference. More module slots means more EHP to stack on and more EHP to stack on means much better performance. It's rather frequent that 200 HP can mean life or death. Proto suits have much more EHP than standard. The odds of winning are much higher for the proto suit than for the standard suit. Though the pricing makes it so that someone with little ISK can't afford proto to even out the odds while someone with hundreds of millions of ISK can constantly throw their ISK to gain an advantage. I agree with Sir Dukey that a price reduction should be imposed on suits, but only on suits. The power increase from standard to proto suits is too great to have proto suits cost so much. Weapons and modules are fine because they only provide marginal increases with much greater costs. Currently proto suits are mostly for those that have the ISK to spend away, while the majority can't afford proto. I believe that proto suits should be made more accessible to everyone by making them cheaper to afford. It would be much easier to fight off proto stomps if proto suits are more accessible, and proto stomps won't even be a problem then. "Fight fire with fire." Finally someone who understands. I don't really think the forums was a good place to discuss this because most of the people here are 50x times richer than me.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 906	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:22:00 - [16] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: -Reduce the PG cost of kin katz. Lost all credibility and any chance of me backing this post. It's kinetic Catalyzer. If you must shorten it it's KinCat. Ugh bruh, who, I got proto sprinter thinggies and proto blue steroids and proto green pills that make you run longer. Problem?
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1250	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:48:00 - [17] - Quote I ran nothing but advanced one month and my monthly KDR slid to 5. It's always above 6 when I run proto (which is usually). My point is, it's true, proto makes a difference, but not so much that you should grind standard gear to save up for the odd game of proto. For most players advanced is probably the sweet spot for cost versus performance.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1754	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:39:00 - [18] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I ran nothing but advanced one month and my monthly KDR slid to 5. It's always above 6 when I run proto (which is usually). My point is, it's true, proto makes a difference, but not so much that you should grind standard gear to save up for the odd game of proto. For most players advanced is probably the sweet spot for cost versus performance. For me, advanced is where I can break even. I have fitted a proto Amarr assault which gives me 200 EHP more, but I can't afford the 100k price tag per suit. It's rather frequent that I would've survived to kill my opponent if I had 200 more hp. I tell myself that if I consistently finish battles with no more than two deaths running advanced, I can switch to proto. But I can only break even, which means that I sometimes die 10 times, other times once or not at all. This is an excellent case where the rich can use their ISK to pay for an advantage while the poor can't afford proto to even out the odds. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 1928	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:45:00 - [19] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Finally someone who understands. I don't really think the forums was a good place to discuss this because most of the people here are 50x times richer than me. Most people saved their first 20-30mil ISK running STD, ADV gear facing some of the best players to ever play DUST, to learn how to be good enough in that inferior gear versus superior competition to start to run Proto at a profit. There is nothing harder to do in DUST, to run proto all day everyday at a profit. EST Chromosome.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 910	Posted - 2014.05.23 15:50:00 - [20] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I ran nothing but advanced one month and my monthly KDR slid to 5. It's always above 6 when I run proto (which is usually). My point is, it's true, proto makes a difference, but not so much that you should grind standard gear to save up for the odd game of proto. For most players advanced is probably the sweet spot for cost versus performance. For me, advanced is where I can break even. I have fitted a proto Amarr assault which gives me 200 EHP more, but I can't afford the 100k price tag per suit. It's rather frequent that I would've survived to kill my opponent if I had 200 more hp. I tell myself that if I consistently finish battles with no more than two deaths running advanced, I can switch to proto. But I can only break even, which means that I sometimes die 10 times, other times once or not at all. This is an excellent case where the rich can use their ISK to pay for an advantage while the poor can't afford proto to even out the odds. The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have.

Tectonic Fusion 1670	Posted - 2014.05.23 15:56:00 - [21] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day. Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper. Are you saying you can't compete without proto? The problem here isn't the price of the suit, I can assure you. Sorry, but this ^ is true. The only people I can't solo are Gallente assaults and logis with stacked armor. This is because I use an ADV Caldari Scout with a Scrambler Rifle. EDIT: Last time I decided to use proto (last night) I died in it. Then I proceeded to switch to my advanced cal scout and go 21/1. Then again, only like 4 people were in proto scouts, so...
Kilika Esperz KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 1	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:38:00 - [22] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have. I think that you should just quit now. What usually happens in cases like yours is that you start to look for cheats that will help you. Unless your playing ambush then this game is best played with a team. proto v proto means nothing if you dont have a good team with you. Then its proto you vs proto 6 of them. Ambush for 2 days in starter gear to make your isk... works for me.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1138	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:49:00 - [23] - Quote Call me a scrub if you wish, but I run proto on my cal scout in pubs because it's the only way I can effectively counter standard and advanced gal scouts. I could join them and use that 5M SP that I've been staring at wondering what to do with, but I see that nerf hammer coming and would prefer not to jump on that FOTM train before it goes off the track. The ISK price of proto weapons is too high (my reaction is to buy the AUR version as it's cheaper to me), but that's a related not primary issue.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 913	Posted - 2014.05.23 17:31:00 - [24] - Quote Kilika Esperz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have. I think that you should just quit now. What usually happens in cases like yours is that you start to look for cheats that will help you. Unless your playing ambush then this game is best played with a team. proto v proto means nothing if you dont have a good team with you. Then its proto you vs proto 6 of them. Ambush for 2 days in starter gear to make your isk... works for me. proto me puts up better fight against std me. I can destroy teams and I am usually the one in the with most kills even with ADV gear but I barley every go isk positive because 4 deaths in my adv minni scout puts me back 40k isk because the darn suit costs 65k isk! most because proto knives and anything under proto knives other than proto knives is weak.
Powerh8er Heaven's Lost Property 424	Posted - 2014.05.23 17:31:00 - [25] - Quote If your not treating your proto weapon as your precious, then your doing it wrong.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 557	Posted - 2014.05.23 18:57:00 - [26] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Paying 77k isk for a weapon is ridiculous CCP. Here's the meat: -Reduce specialized proto weapon price from 77k isk to 47k isk -reduce regular proto weapon price to 28k isk (like proto ishukone sniper rifle and Kaalokoitia FG) This would make me happy so I can run my Tac Duvolle AR because it makes me feel special a d make me feel like SWAT. Things you will disagree with maybe?- -Reduce price of Nova Knives to 10k isk at proto. -Reduce complex module price to 3k isk, ADV to 2k isk, and STD 1k isk. -Reduce price of proto suits to 40k isk. -Reduce price of prototype equipment from 28k isk to 15k isk. -Reduce assault Dropship price of 322k isk to 150k isk. - nerf vehicle armor repair stacking by adding delays. (one heavy rep has a 2 sec delay and it stacks up as you put more reppers (6 sec delay with 3 heaby armor reps)) -Reduce price of plasma cannon to 0 -Reduce price of small proto turrets from 105k isk to 70k isk. -Reduce the PG cost of kin katz. -Buff Amarr assault slots and layout to 2H/5L so it has = number of slots as other proto assaults and can finally be a better armor tanker than gallante. Same with heavy- amarr heavy should get 1H/4L -Amarr Scout bonus should be 7% increase in SCP RoF per level, 1+ clip size per level. I am poor but I have many proto suits leveled up and many weapons to proto I rarely use because I cannot afford that Stuff and It would be nice If I could run proto every now and then. OR- you can buff my payout. You do realize that lowering weapon prices would lower payouts right? Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 581	Posted - 2014.05.23 19:26:00 - [27] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Kilika Esperz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have. I think that you should just quit now. What usually happens in cases like yours is that you start to look for cheats that will help you. Unless your playing ambush then this game is best played with a team. proto v proto means nothing if you dont have a good team with you. Then its proto you vs proto 6 of them. Ambush for 2 days in starter gear to make your isk... works for me. proto me puts up better fight against std me. I can destroy teams and I am usually the one in the with most kills even with ADV gear but I barley every go isk positive because 4 deaths in my adv minni scout puts me back 40k isk because the darn suit costs 65k isk! most because proto knives and anything under proto knives other than proto knives is weak. if your any good in your proto suit then you could play in PC and merc yourself out and make all the isk you need to support your proto habit in pubs. so its not the price of proto gear that is the problem its the way your going about playing the game. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 917	Posted - 2014.05.23 19:35:00 - [28] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Kilika Esperz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have. I think that you should just quit now. What usually happens in cases like yours is that you start to look for cheats that will help you. Unless your playing ambush then this game is best played with a team. proto v proto means nothing if you dont have a good team with you. Then its proto you vs proto 6 of them. Ambush for 2 days in starter gear to make your isk... works for me. proto me puts up better fight against std me. I can destroy teams and I am usually the one in the with most kills even with ADV gear but I barley every go isk positive because 4 deaths in my adv minni scout puts me back 40k isk because the darn suit costs 65k isk! most because proto knives and anything under proto knives other than proto knives is weak. if your any good in your proto suit then you could play in PC and merc yourself out and make all the isk you need to support your proto habit in pubs. so its not the price of proto gear that is the problem its the way your going about playing the game. PC is like the worst thing ever.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15178	Posted - 2014.05.23 19:37:00 - [29] - Quote No. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 917	Posted - 2014.05.23 19:52:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. yeah, all you rich scrubs like you don't want the poor to have fun.

CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 581	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:13:00 - [31] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Kilika Esperz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have. I think that you should just quit now. What usually happens in cases like yours is that you start to look for cheats that will help you. Unless your playing ambush then this game is best played with a team. proto v proto means nothing if you dont have a good team with you. Then its proto you vs proto 6 of them. Ambush for 2 days in starter gear to make your isk... works for me. proto me puts up better fight against std me. I can destroy teams and I am usually the one in the with most kills even with ADV gear but I barley every go isk positive because 4 deaths in my adv minni scout puts me back 40k isk because the darn suit costs 65k isk! most because proto knives and anything under proto knives other than proto knives is weak. if your any good in your proto suit then you could play in PC and merc yourself out and make all the isk you need to support your proto habit in pubs. so its not the price of proto gear that is the problem its the way your going about playing the game. PC is like the worst thing ever. its the same gamemode as a pub but you make way more isk and people pay you to play it i made 100mil in that two day war last week. running around in 5 pub matchs in std gear so you can buy 2 proto suits to use in the next match is not a effective means of making isk. if your a good player isk should never be a problem. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
TODDSTER024 Revive Repair Resupply 204	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:22:00 - [32] - Quote If you can't afford it, don't use it. Or buy it.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 917	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:29:00 - [33] - Quote TODDSTER024 wrote: If you can't afford it, don't use it. Or buy it. That's what im trying to solve. It's only for the rich people and it's not fair. Prices need to be cut so we poorer people can fight proto with proto or we get stomped by protos while we try to fight with STD gear. That is what proto stomping is, stomping poorer players.
Cpl Foster USMC The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 887	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:58:00 - [34] - Quote Life is not Fair... Get Rich or Die Tryin'... Everyone does not deserve a Trophy just for being on the Team... Damn Kids need to stay the F off my lawn... Get a damn haircut you Hippie... (all of these fit this case) ((GET GUD)) (((steal it))) I find a corp I like just when the game is dying....figures....
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1254	Posted - 2014.05.24 08:35:00 - [35] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Harpyja wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I ran nothing but advanced one month and my monthly KDR slid to 5. It's always above 6 when I run proto (which is usually). My point is, it's true, proto makes a difference, but not so much that you should grind standard gear to save up for the odd game of proto. For most players advanced is probably the sweet spot for cost versus performance. For me, advanced is where I can break even. I have fitted a proto Amarr assault which gives me 200 EHP more, but I can't afford the 100k price tag per suit. It's rather frequent that I would've survived to kill my opponent if I had 200 more hp. I tell myself that if I consistently finish battles with no more than two deaths running advanced, I can switch to proto. But I can only break even, which means that I sometimes die 10 times, other times once or not at all. This is an excellent case where the rich can use their ISK to pay for an advantage while the poor can't afford proto to even out the odds. The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have. The cost issue is relatively minor. As I said, I can maintain 5KDR in advanced (and that was mostly playing solo). 95%+ of players cannot. And a lot of the best players (better than me) run standard/advanced most the time in pubs and still beast. I used to think SP was a major if not the main differentiator, but we now have players with 30mil+ SP, enough for two maxed roles, complaining about getting repeatedly stomped, even if they're in squads with other high SP players. So I don't think that's a massive consideration either. In fact a corpmate ran a lot of games recently on a 500k SP alt with a standard scout, no cloak, and twin SMGs, think he was around a 3.5KDR doing that. So now I think that Player Skill=Organization>SP>Gear. Take gear out of the equation and pubstomping would be virtually the same.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 788	Posted - 2014.05.24 14:12:00 - [36] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. yeah, all you rich scrubs like you don't want the poor to have fun. You really wouldn't have to worry about any of this if you had a SP refund or just an infantry one , then you can go full racial and or really customize your @$$ off ... I know you said you had extra SP's and all ... but you could actually make your SP's help make ISK's for you by prioritizing and actually getting the most production for your SP's .. because it's the SP's that make isk's .. then you wouldn't mind the cost so much because you would have SP's in place where YOU feel they are the most effective and not trapped in some void that you have to find a use for . SP's locked into useless items and materials for roles that aren't useful because of changes to performance bonuses , hence role value to the individual ... that's really loosing money for the mercenary . You can't afford to have things in skilled on your person if they have no useful value to the person . I guess I'm just speaking for myself . I apologize for the intrude . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 925	Posted - 2014.05.24 14:16:00 - [37] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. yeah, all you rich scrubs like you don't want the poor to have fun. You really wouldn't have to worry about any of this if you had a SP refund or just and infantry one , then you can go full racial and or really customize your @$$ off ... I know you said you had extra SP's and all ... but you could actually make you SP's help make ISK's for you by prioritizing and actually getting the most production for your SP's because it's the SP's that make isk's then you would mind the cost so much because you would have SP's in place where YOU feel they are the most effective and not trapped in some void that you have to find a use for . SP's locked into useless items and materials for roles that aren't useful because of changes to performance bonuses , hence role value to the individual ... that's really loosing money for the mercenary . You can't afford to have things in skilled on your person if they have no useful value to the person . I have proto minmitar scout with proto CR with PRO 4, I got proto Caldari scout with complex range and precision amps with PRo RR with pro 3 . I got lows of SP in shields and Core skills. 25 mil sp spent right, problem is that one death to a militia heavy with HMG sets me back 160k isk. Which is almost 3/4s of what I will earn that match.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 925	Posted - 2014.05.24 14:19:00 - [38] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Harpyja wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I ran nothing but advanced one month and my monthly KDR slid to 5. It's always above 6 when I run proto (which is usually). My point is, it's true, proto makes a difference, but not so much that you should grind standard gear to save up for the odd game of proto. For most players advanced is probably the sweet spot for cost versus performance. For me, advanced is where I can break even. I have fitted a proto Amarr assault which gives me 200 EHP more, but I can't afford the 100k price tag per suit. It's rather frequent that I would've survived to kill my opponent if I had 200 more hp. I tell myself that if I consistently finish battles with no more than two deaths running advanced, I can switch to proto. But I can only break even, which means that I sometimes die 10 times, other times once or not at all. This is an excellent case where the rich can use their ISK to pay for an advantage while the poor can't afford proto to even out the odds. The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have. The cost issue is relatively minor. As I said, I can maintain 5KDR in advanced (and that was mostly playing solo). 95%+ of players cannot. And a lot of the best players (better than me) run standard/advanced most the time in pubs and still beast. I used to think SP was a major if not the main differentiator, but we now have players with 30mil+ SP, enough for two maxed roles, complaining about getting repeatedly stomped, even if they're in squads with other high SP players. So I don't think that's a massive consideration either. In fact a corpmate ran a lot of games recently on a 500k SP alt with a standard scout, no cloak, and twin SMGs, think he was around a 3.5KDR doing that. So now I think that Player Skill=Organization>SP>Gear. Take gear out of the equation and pubstomping would be virtually the same. THIS ISN'T ABOUT FREKING SKILL IT'S ABOUT MAKIGN PROTOTYPE STUFF MORE ACCESSIBLE TO POORER PLAYERS. ALSO NO MATTER HOW MUCH SP OR HOW SKILLED YOU ARE YOU ARE GOING TO DIE AT LEAST ONCE IN A PROTO SUIT IN MOST MATCHES.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 788	Posted - 2014.05.24 14:24:00 - [39] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. yeah, all you rich scrubs like you don't want the poor to have fun. You really wouldn't have to worry about any of this if you had a SP refund or just and infantry one , then you can go full racial and or really customize your @$$ off ... I know you said you had extra SP's and all ... but you could actually make you SP's help make ISK's for you by prioritizing and actually getting the most production for your SP's because it's the SP's that make isk's then you would mind the cost so much because you would have SP's in place where YOU feel they are the most effective and not trapped in some void that you have to find a use for . SP's locked into useless items and materials for roles that aren't useful because of changes to performance bonuses , hence role value to the individual ... that's really loosing money for the mercenary . You can't afford to have things in skilled on your person if they have no useful value to the person . I have proto minmitar scout with proto CR with PRO 4, I got proto Caldari scout with complex range and precision amps with PRo RR with pro 3 . I got lows of SP in shields and Core skills. 25 mil sp spent right, problem is that one death to a militia heavy with HMG sets me back 160k isk. Which is almost 3/4s of what I will earn that match. Like I said ... I must be speaking for myself . What are you complaining for then , you have what you want and can't get the outcome that your looking for ??? Maybe you should pick and choose more carefully which match that you care to run proto in then , that way your making a wise business decision .. given the fact that you might not care to do this because you figure that you shouldn't have to ... and your keeping money on top of making money . Your not taking such a risk and increasing your own value ... your changes would help those who you feel have a advantage , to have a greater advantage as well so the best thing that you can do is just become wiser in your choices . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
arakon firewolf Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 0	Posted - 2014.05.24 14:28:00 - [40] - Quote solution is simple new game mode where only militia and bpo are allowed

Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 925	Posted - 2014.05.24 14:28:00 - [41] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. yeah, all you rich scrubs like you don't want the poor to have fun. You really wouldn't have to worry about any of this if you had a SP refund or just and infantry one , then you can go full racial and or really customize your @$$ off ... I know you said you had extra SP's and all ... but you could actually make you SP's help make ISK's for you by prioritizing and actually getting the most production for your SP's because it's the SP's that make isk's then you would mind the cost so much because you would have SP's in place where YOU feel they are the most effective and not trapped in some void that you have to find a use for . SP's locked into useless items and materials for roles that aren't useful because of changes to performance bonuses , hence role value to the individual ... that's really loosing money for the mercenary . You can't afford to have things in skilled on your person if they have no useful value to the person . I have proto minmitar scout with proto CR with PRO 4, I got proto Caldari scout with complex range and precision amps with PRo RR with pro 3 . I got lows of SP in shields and Core skills. 25 mil sp spent right, problem is that one death to a militia heavy with HMG sets me back 160k isk. Which is almost 3/4s of what I will earn that match. Like I said ... I must be speaking for myself . What are you complaining for then , you have what you want and can't get the outcome that your looking for ??? Maybe you should pick and choose more carefully which match that you care to run proto in then , that way your making a wise business decision .. given the fact that you might not care to do this because you figure that you shouldn't have to ... and your keeping money on top of making money . Your not taking such a risk and increasing your own value ... your changes would help those who you feel have a advantage , to have a greater advantage as well so the best thing that you can do is just become wiser in your choices . Edit : Hell at least your at a place where price is the only thing that's making this adventure uncomfortable . At least you have all of this going for you and have a SP surplus . Also not be burdened by useless SP sinks . I'm the one that's really broke , SP's and ISK's . PROTO is only meant for PC farmers and that's my problem.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 788	Posted - 2014.05.24 14:37:00 - [42] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Take gear out of the equation and pubstomping would be virtually the same. Can't agree with this . Sometimes it's the gear that gives the skill difference because it's the proto that's the skill and not the player so much , meaning ... that player would not be so effective given other circumstances . Sometimes the gear allows one to take greater risks and become more bold . For a lot of players ... it's the edge and not the individual so much . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 788	Posted - 2014.05.24 14:43:00 - [43] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: PROTO is only meant for PC farmers and that's my problem. You mean price wise ? O.K I guess I'm beginning to understand , I apologize ... and you don't like to play PC ? Or cant find the time to do so ? Alright ... I can agree that maybe the payouts should be increased somewhat for performance during a match . Good luck , I wouldn't know how to approach this one . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .


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