You're not supposed to operate all weaponry at a gain. Prototype weaponry is supposed to make you operate at a loss. Advanced gear is the middle ground.

your not suppose to be able to run around with proto weapons in pubs all day long. the last thing we need to do is make the assault combat rifle cheaper to proto stomp new players all day.

Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper.

Are you saying you can't compete without proto?

The problem here isn't the price of the suit, I can assure you.

Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper.

If you have Proto gear, you have been in the game long enough to know how to manage your bank or at least the importance of balancing the budget.
That being said, if you're not competitive in Advanced gear, you're not going to be worth a **** in Proto gear either. The gear isn't that much better. The dropsuits, not weapons and modules, are where you can make a noticable difference. The minute increases in weapon and module efficacy going from ADV to PRO really aren't worth the cost, which pretty much makes it just a status symbol.

Ok, you're not suppose to but what if they were made accessible. I know people who are rich as fk and they do that anyways so guys like me can never compete with them because im dirt poor. What If it was possible for poor people like me to stand up against the stompers using our own proto instead of getting slaughtered in miltia,STD gear. Also, just because ACR is OP doesn't mean Tac AR or Burst AR. It's like saying since CR is OP we are going to nerf all weapon damage by 10%. Balance the weapon then make it cheaper.

Then why the fk is it their? Why is proto ishukone sniper and Basic FG 28k isk?

-Reduce the PG cost of kin katz.

OR- you can buff my payout.

You yourself said that it's the dropsuits that really make the difference. More module slots means more EHP to stack on and more EHP to stack on means much better performance. It's rather frequent that 200 HP can mean life or death.

Proto suits have much more EHP than standard. The odds of winning are much higher for the proto suit than for the standard suit. Though the pricing makes it so that someone with little ISK can't afford proto to even out the odds while someone with hundreds of millions of ISK can constantly throw their ISK to gain an advantage.

I agree with Sir Dukey that a price reduction should be imposed on suits, but only on suits. The power increase from standard to proto suits is too great to have proto suits cost so much. Weapons and modules are fine because they only provide marginal increases with much greater costs.

Currently proto suits are mostly for those that have the ISK to spend away, while the majority can't afford proto. I believe that proto suits should be made more accessible to everyone by making them cheaper to afford. It would be much easier to fight off proto stomps if proto suits are more accessible, and proto stomps won't even be a problem then. "Fight fire with fire."

Lost all credibility and any chance of me backing this post.

It's kinetic Catalyzer. If you must shorten it it's KinCat.

Ugh

I ran nothing but advanced one month and my monthly KDR slid to 5. It's always above 6 when I run proto (which is usually).

My point is, it's true, proto makes a difference, but not so much that you should grind standard gear to save up for the odd game of proto. For most players advanced is probably the sweet spot for cost versus performance.

Finally someone who understands. I don't really think the forums was a good place to discuss this because most of the people here are 50x times richer than me.

For me, advanced is where I can break even.

I have fitted a proto Amarr assault which gives me 200 EHP more, but I can't afford the 100k price tag per suit. It's rather frequent that I would've survived to kill my opponent if I had 200 more hp. I tell myself that if I consistently finish battles with no more than two deaths running advanced, I can switch to proto. But I can only break even, which means that I sometimes die 10 times, other times once or not at all.

This is an excellent case where the rich can use their ISK to pay for an advantage while the poor can't afford proto to even out the odds.

Are you saying you can't compete without proto?

The problem here isn't the price of the suit, I can assure you.

The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have.

I think that you should just quit now. What usually happens in cases like yours is that you start to look for cheats that will help you.
Unless your playing ambush then this game is best played with a team. proto v proto means nothing if you dont have a good team with you. Then its proto you vs proto 6 of them.
Ambush for 2 days in starter gear to make your isk... works for me.

Paying 77k isk for a weapon is ridiculous CCP.

Here's the meat:

-Reduce specialized proto weapon price from 77k isk to 47k isk
-reduce regular proto weapon price to 28k isk (like proto ishukone sniper rifle and Kaalokoitia FG)


This would make me happy so I can run my Tac Duvolle AR because it makes me feel special a d make me feel like SWAT.


Things you will disagree with maybe?-

-Reduce price of Nova Knives to 10k isk at proto.
-Reduce complex module price to 3k isk, ADV to 2k isk, and STD 1k isk.
-Reduce price of proto suits to 40k isk.
-Reduce price of prototype equipment from 28k isk to 15k isk.
-Reduce assault Dropship price of 322k isk to 150k isk. - nerf vehicle armor repair stacking by adding delays. (one heavy rep has a 2 sec delay and it stacks up as you put more reppers (6 sec delay with 3 heaby armor reps))
-Reduce price of plasma cannon to 0
-Reduce price of small proto turrets from 105k isk to 70k isk.
-Reduce the PG cost of kin katz.
-Buff Amarr assault slots and layout to 2H/5L so it has = number of slots as other proto assaults and can finally be a better armor tanker than gallante. Same with heavy- amarr heavy should get 1H/4L
-Amarr Scout bonus should be 7% increase in SCP RoF per level, 1+ clip size per level.


I am poor but I have many proto suits leveled up and many weapons to proto I rarely use because I cannot afford that Stuff and It would be nice If I could run proto every now and then.

OR- you can buff my payout.

proto me puts up better fight against std me. I can destroy teams and I am usually the one in the with most kills even with ADV gear but I barley every go isk positive because 4 deaths in my adv minni scout puts me back 40k isk because the darn suit costs 65k isk! most because proto knives and anything under proto knives other than proto knives is weak.

if your any good in your proto suit then you could play in PC and merc yourself out and make all the isk you need to support your proto habit in pubs. so its not the price of proto gear that is the problem its the way your going about playing the game.

No.