DUST Search - Proto weapon price reduction.

Sir Dukey wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

I ran nothing but advanced one month and my monthly KDR slid to 5. It's always above 6 when I run proto (which is usually).

My point is, it's true, proto makes a difference, but not so much that you should grind standard gear to save up for the odd game of proto. For most players advanced is probably the sweet spot for cost versus performance.

For me, advanced is where I can break even.

I have fitted a proto Amarr assault which gives me 200 EHP more, but I can't afford the 100k price tag per suit. It's rather frequent that I would've survived to kill my opponent if I had 200 more hp. I tell myself that if I consistently finish battles with no more than two deaths running advanced, I can switch to proto. But I can only break even, which means that I sometimes die 10 times, other times once or not at all.

This is an excellent case where the rich can use their ISK to pay for an advantage while the poor can't afford proto to even out the odds.

The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have.


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Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1250	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:48:00 - [1] - Quote I ran nothing but advanced one month and my monthly KDR slid to 5. It's always above 6 when I run proto (which is usually). My point is, it's true, proto makes a difference, but not so much that you should grind standard gear to save up for the odd game of proto. For most players advanced is probably the sweet spot for cost versus performance.
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1254	Posted - 2014.05.24 08:35:00 - [2] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Harpyja wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I ran nothing but advanced one month and my monthly KDR slid to 5. It's always above 6 when I run proto (which is usually). My point is, it's true, proto makes a difference, but not so much that you should grind standard gear to save up for the odd game of proto. For most players advanced is probably the sweet spot for cost versus performance. For me, advanced is where I can break even. I have fitted a proto Amarr assault which gives me 200 EHP more, but I can't afford the 100k price tag per suit. It's rather frequent that I would've survived to kill my opponent if I had 200 more hp. I tell myself that if I consistently finish battles with no more than two deaths running advanced, I can switch to proto. But I can only break even, which means that I sometimes die 10 times, other times once or not at all. This is an excellent case where the rich can use their ISK to pay for an advantage while the poor can't afford proto to even out the odds. The reason proto stomping works is when squads go up against poorer players. I am poor, I have epic proto fits that can distaste the enemy and shrink their morale but I can't afford to lose a single suit or I will not profit. There fore I run ADV and when I find out that now Im getting wooped I switch to STD and the wooping gets harder I go starter. This is how they win, since we cannot run proto, they will always have the upper hand stomping my team. Now PROTO V PROTO is a fair fight but that also means isk vs isk and isk is what most of the proto stommped people don't have. The cost issue is relatively minor. As I said, I can maintain 5KDR in advanced (and that was mostly playing solo). 95%+ of players cannot. And a lot of the best players (better than me) run standard/advanced most the time in pubs and still beast. I used to think SP was a major if not the main differentiator, but we now have players with 30mil+ SP, enough for two maxed roles, complaining about getting repeatedly stomped, even if they're in squads with other high SP players. So I don't think that's a massive consideration either. In fact a corpmate ran a lot of games recently on a 500k SP alt with a standard scout, no cloak, and twin SMGs, think he was around a 3.5KDR doing that. So now I think that Player Skill=Organization>SP>Gear. Take gear out of the equation and pubstomping would be virtually the same.