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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:10:00 -
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Everyone needs to know about the razor deathadder mouse. Apparently they are super sensitive and it appears that dust 514 was designed for this kind of similar equipment. So this is why I can't snipe very well on a controller but can watch a u tube video of someone getting 30 + sniping kills on a PC. Also mouse and keyboard players can sprint, move and shoot all at the same time and controller players can not press R3 and move as easily or shoot as easily. This is the same on all the controller settings. When LEGION is released I hope that the mouse and keyboard settings will be balanced and more equal to the controller settings or vice versa. Don't forget that there must be a reason that you came to consoles in the first place, more players! Now give us a fare chance. No one likes to play with cheaters! The majority of console players that switch to PC will still want to use controllers and they should be equal to keyboard and mouse. No one wants to play the game hunched over, staring at a computer screen on a swivel chair |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
115
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:21:00 -
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Thats why, idk, PC is said to have superior methods of control?
Any $20-30 mouse can play games on PC with the same performance. I have no complaits on my Logitech MX500 I have, for, idk, 10 years now? Maybe more. Its a mouse released in 2001.
Razer, and all these expensive / gamey looking mouse is just stuff for kids spend their money on. They are good, yes, but they wont make you game better in any sensible way.
Being confortable with your controls is way more important. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2329
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:33:00 -
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Universal Decimator wrote:Everyone needs to know about the razor deathadder mouse. Apparently they are super sensitive and it appears that dust 514 was designed for this kind of similar equipment. So this is why I can't snipe very well on a controller but can watch a u tube video of someone getting 30 + sniping kills on a PC. Also mouse and keyboard players can sprint, move and shoot all at the same time and controller players can not press R3 and move as easily or shoot as easily. This is the same on all the controller settings. When LEGION is released I hope that the mouse and keyboard settings will be balanced and more equal to the controller settings or vice versa. Don't forget that there must be a reason that you came to consoles in the first place, more players! Now give us a fare chance. No one likes to play with cheaters! The majority of console players that switch to PC will still want to use controllers and they should be equal to keyboard and mouse. Console players don't want to play the game hunched over, staring at a computer screen on a swivel chair. We want to play it laying on the sofa with a beer in hand, staring at the big home theater screen. Legion will be a PC game, thus the controller should be secondary (in terms of development time) to the mouse and keyboard. In other words, do what you want to make the controller viable except: nerfing KB/Mouse, adding AA.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
655
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:36:00 -
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facepalm.jpg
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:36:00 -
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Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you admitting that keyboard and mouse players do have a tremendous advantage and just saying the deathadder mouse is not that great. I believe that all controller players have realized by now how much of a disadvantage they have been in dust 514. I hope this does not continue into LEGION |
Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:43:00 -
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It does not matter what gets NERFED or BUFFED as long as they both have equal capabilities. We are not talking about in game weapons or something. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
656
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:44:00 -
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m8, u PC have mouse?
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:46:00 -
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Sensitivity on the mouse is far far superior. Controls on the keyboard simply allow you to do more. IE. sprint, strife and shoot at the same time. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
656
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:51:00 -
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Universal Decimator wrote:Sensitivity on the mouse is far far superior. Controls on the keyboard simply allow you to do more. IE. sprint, strife and shoot at the same time.
Yes. So, u PC mouse-equipped?
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2331
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:55:00 -
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Universal Decimator wrote:Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you admitting that keyboard and mouse players do have a tremendous advantage and just saying the deathadder mouse is not that great. I believe that all controller players have realized by now how much of a disadvantage they have been in dust 514. I hope this does not continue into LEGION The attempt to balance by nerfing the mouse/kb will not continue, if that's what you mean.
Being on the PC means a lot of things - one of them is that the mouse and KB controls need to be sharp and clean. They need to be the priority for development. |
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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:56:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Universal Decimator wrote:Sensitivity on the mouse is far far superior. Controls on the keyboard simply allow you to do more. IE. sprint, strife and shoot at the same time. Yes. So, u PC mouse-equipped?
I am a PS3 player but I have exparienced the game on PC through friends. Once you get used to mouse and keyboard, it is far superior. Strifeing is actually much faster as well. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
656
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:59:00 -
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Universal Decimator wrote:John Psi wrote:Universal Decimator wrote:Sensitivity on the mouse is far far superior. Controls on the keyboard simply allow you to do more. IE. sprint, strife and shoot at the same time. Yes. So, u PC mouse-equipped? I am a PS3 player but I have exparienced the game on PC through friends. Once you get used to mouse and keyboard, it is far superior. Strifeing is actually much faster as well.
Excellent, I hope your friends have a mouse. Do not forget to use it.
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:03:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Universal Decimator wrote:Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you admitting that keyboard and mouse players do have a tremendous advantage and just saying the deathadder mouse is not that great. I believe that all controller players have realized by now how much of a disadvantage they have been in dust 514. I hope this does not continue into LEGION The attempt to balance by nerfing the mouse/kb will not continue, if that's what you mean. Being on the PC means a lot of things - one of them is that the mouse and KB controls need to be sharp and clean. They need to be the priority for development.
I have thought about purchasing a better PC for this game. But even I will not be able to purchase a $36,000.00 60" TN panell monitor. I would rather play the game in my living room on my 60" LED with a controller. |
McFurious
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
757
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:05:00 -
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KBM: Better for control
Controller: Better for couch
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
PC > Console
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
656
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:07:00 -
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Universal Decimator wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Universal Decimator wrote:Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you admitting that keyboard and mouse players do have a tremendous advantage and just saying the deathadder mouse is not that great. I believe that all controller players have realized by now how much of a disadvantage they have been in dust 514. I hope this does not continue into LEGION The attempt to balance by nerfing the mouse/kb will not continue, if that's what you mean. Being on the PC means a lot of things - one of them is that the mouse and KB controls need to be sharp and clean. They need to be the priority for development. I have thought about purchasing a better PC for this game. But even I will not be able to purchase a $36,000.00 60" TN panell monitor. I would rather play the game in my living room on my 60" LED with a controller.
OK, seriously, unlike the PS3, on PC you can adjust the sensitivity of your joystick this, what do you like best.
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:08:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Universal Decimator wrote:John Psi wrote:Universal Decimator wrote:Sensitivity on the mouse is far far superior. Controls on the keyboard simply allow you to do more. IE. sprint, strife and shoot at the same time. Yes. So, u PC mouse-equipped? I am a PS3 player but I have exparienced the game on PC through friends. Once you get used to mouse and keyboard, it is far superior. Strifeing is actually much faster as well. Excellent, I hope your friends have a mouse. Do not forget to use it.
He does not use it that much because even he is getting sick of playing this game by his self. Now is the time to entice some console player to join you on PC. I hope I can see CCP make it happen. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
657
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:09:00 -
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read post above pls
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2333
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:09:00 -
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Universal Decimator wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Universal Decimator wrote:Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you admitting that keyboard and mouse players do have a tremendous advantage and just saying the deathadder mouse is not that great. I believe that all controller players have realized by now how much of a disadvantage they have been in dust 514. I hope this does not continue into LEGION The attempt to balance by nerfing the mouse/kb will not continue, if that's what you mean. Being on the PC means a lot of things - one of them is that the mouse and KB controls need to be sharp and clean. They need to be the priority for development. I have thought about purchasing a better PC for this game. But even I will not be able to purchase a $36,000.00 60" TN panell monitor. I would rather play the game in my living room on my 60" LED with a controller. PCs work in the living room too :) |
Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:12:00 -
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not with a keyboard and mouse it dont. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
116
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:12:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Universal Decimator wrote:Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you admitting that keyboard and mouse players do have a tremendous advantage and just saying the deathadder mouse is not that great. I believe that all controller players have realized by now how much of a disadvantage they have been in dust 514. I hope this does not continue into LEGION The attempt to balance by nerfing the mouse/kb will not continue, if that's what you mean. Being on the PC means a lot of things - one of them is that the mouse and KB controls need to be sharp and clean. They need to be the priority for development.
On PC the competitivity is more fierce, like theres tons of good shooters for free. If Legion dosent work right, I see a bad future ahead of it.
So CCP, get to work. |
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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:13:00 -
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We want to use controllers in the living room not keyboards. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2334
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:22:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Universal Decimator wrote:Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you admitting that keyboard and mouse players do have a tremendous advantage and just saying the deathadder mouse is not that great. I believe that all controller players have realized by now how much of a disadvantage they have been in dust 514. I hope this does not continue into LEGION The attempt to balance by nerfing the mouse/kb will not continue, if that's what you mean. Being on the PC means a lot of things - one of them is that the mouse and KB controls need to be sharp and clean. They need to be the priority for development. On PC the competitivity is more fierce, like theres tons of good shooters for free. If Legion dosent work right, I see a bad future ahead of it. So CCP, get to work. Exactly why M/KB needs to be done right before time is spent on controllers. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2334
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:24:00 -
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Universal Decimator wrote:not with a keyboard and mouse it dont. There are quite a few ways to do it.
I just go for the oldschool way myself:
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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:29:00 -
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If CCP really wants to bridge things like they say; Muti player platforms and all that, than they may have to consider setting a new standard in fist person shooter game controls. I believe that if they attempt to do this than it can become very popular. Other competitive shooter games will be extremely jealous of the way large numbers console and PC gammers can play together through CCP games. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
657
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:31:00 -
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Damn. yes, and KB can be wireless too ))
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:34:00 -
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I know that there are many of you guys out there on PC using keyboard and mouse. You like to imagian that these are the best controls in the world right? The kind of controls the millitary uses to control drones and stuff. You are the most talented war gamer in the world right? WRONG!!! The millitary has far far advanced since the days of the invention of the mouse. There are things like leap motion control, used with your hands and eye piece controls that track the movement of your eye ball. The millitary has stuff so advanced and better than the mouse that they will not even tell you about it.
It is time to except EVE for what it is; a great GAME, meant to be comftrable for everyone to play. I know that this issue of controller not being equal to keyboard and mouse has come up before. It will likly continue to come up again and again. Until one day some company out there is going to take the nessisary steps in reducing mouse and keyboard to make them equal to controller. That company's game is going to be very popular with many pleased and loyal fans from both console players and PC players who have gotten used to the feal of the equal controls. Many people are going to look at that game and say HEY!! that was what CCP was trying to do with EVE, DUST and cross platform gaming. How come it did not work? What happend to EVE LEGION? OH! greedy PC gamers would not adapet because they where worried they would not be considered the most compeditive first person shooter. What ? How does making controls equal for all players make the game less competitive? CCP should work to unify equal controls for mouse/keyboard and controller now befor it is to late and some other game out there does it and profits from it. |
Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:35:00 -
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bad spelling sorry typed fast |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2337
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:38:00 -
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Universal Decimator wrote:I know that there are many of you guys out there on PC using keyboard and mouse. You like to imagian that these are the best controls in the world right? The kind of controls the millitary uses to control drones and stuff. You are the most talented war gamer in the world right? WRONG!!! The millitary has far far advanced since the days of the invention of the mouse. There are things like leap motion control, used with your hands and eye piece controls that track the movement of your eye ball. The millitary has stuff so advanced and better than the mouse that they will not even tell you about it.
It is time to except EVE for what it is; a great GAME, meant to be comftrable for everyone to play. I know that this issue of controller not being equal to keyboard and mouse has come up before. It will likly continue to come up again and again. Until one day some company out there is going to take the nessisary steps in reducing mouse and keyboard to make them equal to controller. That company's game is going to be very popular with many pleased and loyal fans from both console players and PC players who have gotten used to the feal of the equal controls. Many people are going to look at that game and say HEY!! that was what CCP was trying to do with EVE, DUST and cross platform gaming. How come it did not work? What happend to EVE LEGION? OH! greedy PC gamers would not adapet because they where worried they would not be considered the most compeditive first person shooter. What ? How does making controls equal for all players make the game less competitive? CCP should work to unify equal controls for mouse/keyboard and controller now befor it is to late and some other game out there does it and profits from it.
No PC game is going to be successful by nerfing M/KB to be the level of the controller.
Also, I don't believe anyone has said that the M/KB is the best in all existence.
Personally, I use trackball. You'll find the military quite fond of those if you want to check. I use it because it reduces repetitive stress. So, no one is saying that M/KB is the end-all-be-all, it's just a crapton better than a controller.
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Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.14 03:35:00 -
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OK I think I understand now. Controller will be some what equal to mouse and keyboard if there is aim assist for controllers, like there is in Battlefield 4. |
Universal Decimator
Interstellar Legionnaires
39
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Posted - 2014.05.14 03:37:00 -
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I do not believe there was any aim assist for console players who used controllers in dust 514, I hope there will be aim assist for controllers in LEGION. |
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