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Cardio Therapy Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 13	Posted - 2014.05.07 13:40:00 - [1] - Quote Defenitely Legion (Dust 514) looks great on PC. It will be far more enjoyable than the current PS3 version. But is the PC the right choice??? If we think as business where is the money and where the money will be in the next 5 years in the gaming industry it defenitely is not PC. "In 2012, there were 32 million units of software sold globally for PC, and there was only one PC game in the top 30 GÇô Diablo III GÇô which came in at number 14. By comparison, the combined PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii software sales topped 331 million. Xbox 360 alone made up nearly 133 million of that total, and by the end of its lifespan, MicrosoftGÇÖs system could top 1 billion pieces of software sold. Yes, there are other factors like free-to-play gaming, which is a massive worldwide industry that doesnGÇÖt count GÇ£software sold.GÇ¥ In China, for example, consoles have no traction but gaming is a massive industry. Still, Grand Theft Auto V sold over 25 million copies, counting on consoles alone. ThatGÇÖs where the audience is. Rockstar will probably release a PC port one day, but itGÇÖs in no hurry because it knows where its bread is buttered. Gamers go where the games are, and most developers making them are sticking with consoles. ThatGÇÖs where the money is." To play PC games we need to buy a pc which is way more expensive than a new consol and we need to upgrade it regularly to catch up with the new games. consoles have around 5 years live cicle and you dont think if a game will run or not, because it is made to run on your console. There was in the past the argument that "yes but you use your oc dor many other things than gaming". i was one of these defenders. Now I am a console player because i refused to buy new pc as I have fast modern tablet (Microsoft) that does everythin that my pc do except gaming. it does everything in a better, easier and more convinient way. that is why pc sales are declining and all pc companies are moving towards tablets and mobility. This leaves the gaming to the consoles for the future. Cheers
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 57	Posted - 2014.05.07 13:46:00 - [2] - Quote The PC elitist are clueless, rockstar makes a billion dollars and proves consoles are the only consumer market to pull one week sales compared to every other demographic including PC, but what does rockstar know about gaming when swimming in all that Scrooge mcduck money. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Cardio Therapy Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 14	Posted - 2014.05.07 13:53:00 - [3] - Quote I was a hardcore addicted pc gamer. I like pc gaiming and i am not against it. but pc's are globally replaced by tablets and smartphones which can not run the real games. here come the consoles to give a real gaming to the gamers in its easiest shape and for less money without need of monthly upgrade.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 8049	Posted - 2014.05.07 13:55:00 - [4] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: The PC elitist are clueless, rockstar makes a billion dollars and proves consoles are the only consumer market to pull one week sales compared to every other demographic including PC, but what does rockstar know about gaming when swimming in all that Scrooge mcduck money. lol Rockstar made more money on 1 game's launch date than CCP is worth as a company. inb4 The Lock!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2072	Posted - 2014.05.07 13:56:00 - [5] - Quote I agree OP. In terms of evolution of the market the decision to go to PC belongs in the past. I say that as a longtime PC gamer. I'm thinking the attraction for CCP is that the development process will experience a lot less friction on PC. When developing a game connected to EVE that's a big plus. On the other hand, i have to wonder just how many PS3s CCP would have bricked without SONY QA riding herd on them. PSN: RationalSpark
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1834	Posted - 2014.05.07 13:56:00 - [6] - Quote i play eve and i play dust the only thing a pc does that a console does not is multitask. sure, i can have 3 boxes of eve online running, i can have youtube playing videos, and i can be playing world of warplanes on top of all of that. but computers don't play games 'better' than consoles in any way. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2014.05.07 13:57:00 - [7] - Quote Cardio Therapy wrote: I was a hardcore addicted pc gamer. I like pc gaiming and i am not against it. but pc's are globally replaced by tablets and smartphones which can not run the real games. here come the consoles to give a real gaming to the gamers in its easiest shape and for less money without need of monthly upgrade. Seems in line with what I see the only people I know that use a desktop at home are students and neckbeards, most others embraced tablets/smartphones as the household computer. pc's = office and work = no fun Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 383	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:03:00 - [8] - Quote Future gaming is not there or here. - Actualy Microsoft want/start/soon (tm) sell... Xbox part of its company (Gates is back as advisor). Maybe only speculation, but... - Sure tablets ... smartfons ... smartwatches.... (smart-underwear-next-gen? ) sells good... but this is only 'still new' toys, and easy toys for mass. Watching Dust legions on smart-watch is little tiresome. - Dust actualy return form 'great' console exclusive world - potenial of 80kk users and tons of cash. It is specific and as you can see onself not much to do here with popularity (even free and fun, complex... and little bugy but still fun). - To play PC games .... some words from me. You can buy solid PC at same price as your new PS4. You can build one and better performance on it at same cost (yea not argument here, because ppl dont want put out DS3 and take screwdriver). I build my PC 5 years ago... specialy for EVE and I dont need upgrad it from time beeing... only just I build it smart and I dont spend much money on it. (if money is still argument) 'it does everything in a better, easier and more convinient way' - happy for you :) Some ppl dont have problems with using more complex thing with easy way too. And not few. Back to Dust and Eve. This games are specyfic as CCP itself. Not much (in global matter) ppl will like it, but there is a lot of them. Dont worry and have a nice day. Not much time left...
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:07:00 - [9] - Quote Did some of you miss the memo, 6 years ago your mom got an iPhone guess what it works. The PC market is evaporating guess what division sony is pulling out of. It's not consoles. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Shadowswipe Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 250	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:09:00 - [10] - Quote The future of gaming is platform agnostic. You develop on one system and then port to all other systems in one button press. Only thing that will keep consoles competitive is the features wrapped up in the bundle of apps and any exclusive deals they make.

PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:13:00 - [11] - Quote Actually home PC manufacturing is going down across all markets it's a paradigm shift away from simulating the office at home. Honestly why people think sitting I front of .dos box makes them smarter is beyond me, most just bate with it. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Cardio Therapy Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 14	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:42:00 - [12] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: Future gaming is not there or here. - Actualy Microsoft want/start/soon (tm) sell... Xbox part of its company (Gates is back as advisor). Maybe only speculation, but... - Sure tablets ... smartfons ... smartwatches.... (smart-underwear-next-gen? ) sells good... but this is only 'still new' toys, and easy toys for mass. Watching Dust legions on smart-watch is little tiresome. - Dust actualy return form 'great' console exclusive world - potenial of 80kk users and tons of cash. It is specific and as you can see onself not much to do here with popularity (even free and fun, complex... and little bugy but still fun). - To play PC games .... some words from me. You can buy solid PC at same price as your new PS4. You can build one and better performance on it at same cost (yea not argument here, because ppl dont want put out DS3 and take screwdriver). I build my PC 5 years ago... specialy for EVE and I dont need upgrad it from time beeing... only just I build it smart and I dont spend much money on it. (if money is still argument) 'it does everything in a better, easier and more convinient way' - happy for you :) Some ppl dont have problems with using more complex thing with easy way too. And not few. Back to Dust and Eve. This games are specyfic as CCP itself. Not much (in global matter) ppl will like it, but there is a lot of them. Dont worry and have a nice day. Strange argument. I don't get it??? As I said I like pc gaming and my pc which is still at the top end I assembled it myself 2 years ago. Only my VGA card cost 400Gé¼. I love pcs as I was assembling them for gamers. 15 years I was hardcore pc gamer. I just stopped now and shift to consoles. I don't want to argue, but this is the life: pcs are from the old world and they will slowly disappear. New consoles are in line with the pcs and most of the gamers don't play several games at once. And also if a game cannot take your full concentration what game is it. I never tried EVE. Maybe it is a brilliant game but I love Dust. If dust come someday on a console again I will play it. And this day will come as the consoles are the future of the gaming believe it or not. Computer companies like dell start making tablets to survive. AMD is in the console business now and Intel will be tomorrow as well.
Cardio Therapy Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 14	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:44:00 - [13] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: Did some of you miss the memo, 6 years ago your mom got an iPhone guess what it works. The PC market is evaporating guess what division sony is pulling out of. It's not consoles. Yep Sony sold its pc decision and dell is in tablet market with its excellent windows tablets/ laptops. AMD is also in console business.
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:58:00 - [14] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: The PC elitist are clueless, rockstar makes a billion dollars and proves consoles are the only consumer market to pull one week sales compared to every other demographic including PC, but what does rockstar know about gaming when swimming in all that Scrooge mcduck money. Oww.. that butthurt must really sizzle. You would make a valid point if _all_ console games had the revenue of GTA5. Cardio Therapy wrote: To play PC games we need to buy a pc which is way more expensive than a new consol and we need to upgrade it regularly to catch up with the new games. consoles have around 5 years live cicle and you dont think if a game will run or not, because it is made to run on your console. No. It is not way more expensive, it is slightly more expensive. Look it up and get educated you plebian philistine. Cardio Therapy wrote: I was a hardcore addicted pc gamer. I like pc gaiming and i am not against it. but pc's are globally replaced by tablets and smartphones which can not run the real games. here come the consoles to give a real gaming to the gamers in its easiest shape and for less money without need of monthly upgrade. No. Mainstream PCs are, laptops are but gaming PCs aren't being replaced by tablets. If anything that is being replaced by tablets, it is consoles. Starting with the handhelds. Atiim wrote: PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: The PC elitist are clueless, rockstar makes a billion dollars and proves consoles are the only consumer market to pull one week sales compared to every other demographic including PC, but what does rockstar know about gaming when swimming in all that Scrooge mcduck money. lol Rockstar made more money on 1 game's launch date than CCP is worth as a company. Then there is Blizzard that made a ridiculous amount of money each month, on one game, on PC for ten years. Suck it, peasant.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8402	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:23:00 - [15] - Quote Just remember that PC is never going to die just like how consoles are never going to die. In fact, both will prosper anyways and will likely unify as the line between PCs and consoles begins to blur. Mark my words. One day, you and I will not be able to tell apart a PC from a console whether by its form, function, and possibly even its price. The only difference at that point will be the brand name. Honestly I would welcome this as this will finally kill off this whole PC-Master-Race vs. Console Elite nonsense. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2793	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:39:00 - [16] - Quote They've been saying PC gaming is dead since the PS3 released in 2006... The prefabed shirt boxes that OEMs sell might be a dying market, but are we really that sad for it? What a scam... I agree with Maken, maybe one day we can all live in peace and just be gamers.
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:46:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Just remember that PC is never going to die just like how consoles are never going to die. In fact, both will prosper anyways and will likely unify as the line between PCs and consoles begins to blur. Mark my words. One day, you and I will not be able to tell apart a PC from a console whether by its form, function, and possibly even its price. The only difference at that point will be the brand name. Honestly I would welcome this as this will finally kill off this whole PC-Master-Race vs. Console Elite nonsense. I don't think it will be that rosy. I think consoles will continue this trend of going from pure gaming devices to being more of a media hub (what I use my PS3 for) to basically become something nothing bigger than a Chromecast or Vita TV with streaming services. It makes sense too for someone like Sony become a service rather than a hardware platform. On the PC side of things, I think mainstream PCs will become modular in the future and be subscription based much like Razer's Project Christine as it lets the user tailor their experience and need.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1639	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:49:00 - [18] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Suck it, peasant. I wonder why PC gamers have such a bad rep I really don't care what platform one prefers, they all offer their own advantages it just comes down to what suits you as an individual. However, I want to respond to a few things at once. As to the OP, I'm a console gamer, but depending on where those sales figures come from they might be misleading. Are they only boxed physical sales or is digital included as well. If digital are not included PC would see much better sales figures in reality as digital distribution is bigger on PC due to less limitations on hard drive space mostly I think. As to the Microsoft thing, last I read about it its not so much that they are looking to sell XBOX they are considering splitting it off from Microsoft and making it its own company. This happens from time to time. And what would happen is Microsoft shareholders would receive equivalent stock in the new XBOX company, whatever its called. If you didn't know, Comcast was actually once a division of AT&T that got split off from the parent company and has grown immensely since then and is technically now in competition with the company it split off from. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8406	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:49:00 - [19] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Just remember that PC is never going to die just like how consoles are never going to die. In fact, both will prosper anyways and will likely unify as the line between PCs and consoles begins to blur. Mark my words. One day, you and I will not be able to tell apart a PC from a console whether by its form, function, and possibly even its price. The only difference at that point will be the brand name. Honestly I would welcome this as this will finally kill off this whole PC-Master-Race vs. Console Elite nonsense. I don't think it will be that rosy. I think consoles will continue this trend of going from pure gaming devices to being more of a media hub (what I use my PS3 for) to basically become something nothing bigger than a Chromecast or Vita TV with streaming services. It makes sense too for someone like Sony become a service rather than a hardware platform. On the PC side of things, I think mainstream PCs will become modular in the future and be subscription based much like Razer's Project Christine as it lets the user tailor their experience and need. Regardless, you and I might be using the same crystal ball. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:54:00 - [20] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Suck it, peasant. I wonder why PC gamers have such a bad rep Oh, don't get me wrong, while I will always recommend people to build themselves a PC over buying a console, I don't care what you prefer to do your gaming jam on. But what makes me sour is asinine comments like "lol.. GTA5".

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1639	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:55:00 - [21] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Just remember that PC is never going to die just like how consoles are never going to die. In fact, both will prosper anyways and will likely unify as the line between PCs and consoles begins to blur. Mark my words. One day, you and I will not be able to tell apart a PC from a console whether by its form, function, and possibly even its price. The only difference at that point will be the brand name. Honestly I would welcome this as this will finally kill off this whole PC-Master-Race vs. Console Elite nonsense. They are becoming more and more like each other as each Platform tries to add the features of from the other that consumers want. Thus the Steam Box. But I am totally with you, the PC vs console arguments are only lightly less dumb than console fanboy wars. Gamers need to play what they like and respect others wishes to do the same. As a brief side note on the Steam Box, I sort of don't get the point to it because they have a mutitude of companies making various ones with different specs, which defeats one of (in my opinion) the advantages of a console which is having specs standardized for easier game development and optimization. The Steam Box is just a less functional PC from what I know of it. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1639	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:57:00 - [22] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Suck it, peasant. I wonder why PC gamers have such a bad rep Oh, don't get me wrong, while I will always recommend people to build themselves a PC over buying a console, I don't care what you prefer to do your gaming jam on. But what will makes me sour is asinine comments like "lol.. GTA5". Agreed, sorry then PC has some awesome exclusives as well. Every platform does, thus why gaming is such an expensive hobby/addiction. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14142	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:58:00 - [23] - Quote If console players want DUST to become worthwhile on consoles, they will STRONGLY support development on the PC while SIMULTANEOUSLY voicing their desire for a PS4 version, A.S.A.P. PC allows the game to be developed and optimized quickly, YOUR support and desire for a PS4 port is what is going to get CCP to make that decision and cut that deal with Sony.
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 76	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:03:00 - [24] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Suck it, peasant. I wonder why PC gamers have such a bad rep Oh, don't get me wrong, while I will always recommend people to build themselves a PC over buying a console, I don't care what you prefer to do your gaming jam on. But what will makes me sour is asinine comments like "lol.. GTA5". Agreed, sorry then PC has some awesome exclusives as well. Every platform does, thus why gaming is such an expensive hobby/addiction. The point your missing is that the console consumer market is the only demographic to ever hit a billion $ sales mark in its opening week. That is more than all the lotr movies opening weeks combined, that is more than any new jay z album will ever make. So when saying console games are inconsequential it's like saying everyone who will sees movies is inconsequential compare your leading sales of the best PC game and compare that to console, consoles sell more. Console gamers are the gamer market deny it if you want but it's true. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:05:00 - [25] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: As a brief side note on the Steam Box, I sort of don't get the point to it because they have a mutitude of companies making various ones with different specs, which defeats one of (in my opinion) the advantages of a console which is having specs standardized for easier game development and optimization. The Steam Box is just a less functional PC from what I know of it. The reason you see so many PC vendors is because no one really owns the PC platform, Apple being probably the only exception to that as they have a specific set of specs for each Mac (Yes, Macs are Personal Computers too, get over it) and that is why there is only one company that assembles Apple computers are Apple even if they buy the same components that you see in Dell or HP computers. It will be a less functional PC that boots you directly into SteamOS Big Picture Mode but if you have some basic knowledge in Linux and with a bit of tinkering, you can get access to the desktop instead.
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 76	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:06:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: If console players want DUST to become worthwhile on consoles, they will STRONGLY support development on the PC while SIMULTANEOUSLY voicing their desire for a PS4 version, A.S.A.P. PC allows the game to be developed and optimized quickly, YOUR support and desire for a PS4 port is what is going to get CCP to make that decision and cut that deal with Sony. If you had been the pr rep for CCP I'd follow this advice as it stands I will go out of my way to damage there reputation as much as possible. Legion can dispense skittles from my USB and I still will never play it. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 8062	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:12:00 - [27] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Then there is Blizzard that made a ridiculous amount of money each month, on one game, on PC for ten years. Suck it, peasant. The fact that you feel superior to another human shows who the real peasant is here. Next I bet you'll be petitioning for your local government to have Jewish people added into a registry. I would suck it, but unlike you CCP Fanboys I don't give sexual favors on a video game forum. inb4 The Lock!
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:13:00 - [28] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Suck it, peasant. I wonder why PC gamers have such a bad rep Oh, don't get me wrong, while I will always recommend people to build themselves a PC over buying a console, I don't care what you prefer to do your gaming jam on. But what will makes me sour is asinine comments like "lol.. GTA5". Agreed, sorry then PC has some awesome exclusives as well. Every platform does, thus why gaming is such an expensive hobby/addiction. The point your missing is that the console consumer market is the only demographic to ever hit a billion $ sales mark in its opening week. That is more than all the lotr movies opening weeks combined, that is more than any new jay z album will ever make. So when saying console games are inconsequential it's like saying everyone who will sees movies is inconsequential compare your leading sales of the best PC game and compare that to console, consoles sell more. Console gamers are the gamer market deny it if you want but it's true. Doesn't that speak more for gaming as a form of entertainment being more popular than traditional forms of entertainment, like cinema or music? Personally though, I disagree with the example of using GTA5 as a stock rule for the whole demographic of console gamers because it is one game amongst hundreds, if not thousands, of games on console and being blinded by numbers is hardly a objective analysis of the real demographic of console gamers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1639	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:14:00 - [29] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Suck it, peasant. I wonder why PC gamers have such a bad rep Oh, don't get me wrong, while I will always recommend people to build themselves a PC over buying a console, I don't care what you prefer to do your gaming jam on. But what will makes me sour is asinine comments like "lol.. GTA5". Agreed, sorry then PC has some awesome exclusives as well. Every platform does, thus why gaming is such an expensive hobby/addiction. The point your missing is that the console consumer market is the only demographic to ever hit a billion $ sales mark in its opening week. That is more than all the lotr movies opening weeks combined, that is more than any new jay z album will ever make. So when saying console games are inconsequential it's like saying everyone who will sees movies is inconsequential compare your leading sales of the best PC game and compare that to console, consoles sell more. Console gamers are the gamer market deny it if you want but it's true. I'm not denying it at all, I gree with you. I'm a console gamer through and through. PS3, XBOX360, and Wii last gen. PS4 and WiiU so far this gen. I'm just saying that PC gaming isn't dead either and that depending on what metrics are being used to measure game sales many of the sales on PC aren't being counted. I did also start a thread yesterday after reading how much that Activision is spending on Destiny that CCP is running scared from the console market and for the long term health they probably should because it is where the big boys like 2K, Activision, and EA battle it out and CCP are like tykes in the big boy pool. They need to go back into the shallow end where things are safer. That is not a dis on PCs or PC gamers, its just that developing for console games is higher risk because you are going up against companies who will throw a couple hundred million dollars at a game without batting an eye. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 78	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:15:00 - [30] - Quote I would agree with that if that billion $ was driven by PC but you know what did it, word of mouth among the console community. Good luck ccp Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.

Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:16:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Then there is Blizzard that made a ridiculous amount of money each month, on one game, on PC for ten years. Suck it, peasant. The fact that you feel superior to another human shows who the real peasant is here. Next I bet you'll be petitioning for your local government to have Jewish people added into a registry. I would suck it, but unlike you CCP Fanboys I don't give sexual favors on a video game forum. You must be on your medication. Want to get back to me when you can make a coherent sentence?
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14144	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:16:00 - [32] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: If console players want DUST to become worthwhile on consoles, they will STRONGLY support development on the PC while SIMULTANEOUSLY voicing their desire for a PS4 version, A.S.A.P. PC allows the game to be developed and optimized quickly, YOUR support and desire for a PS4 port is what is going to get CCP to make that decision and cut that deal with Sony. If you had been the pr rep for CCP I'd follow this advice as it stands I will go out of my way to damage there reputation as much as possible. Legion can dispense skittles from my USB and I still will never play it. And that is your right as a consumer, just as it's my right as a consumer to attempt to bring a sense of rationality and reality to the discussion. To each their own. o7
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 78	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:19:00 - [33] - Quote Bottom line dust sucks because of CCP not consoles your being led like sheep so that when Hilmar *** on the whole project it can be deflected to the players. We'll guess what your right the players didn't support it because it's a ** product. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 8062	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:19:00 - [34] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: You must be on your medication. Want to get back to me when you can make a coherent sentence? Seems coherent to me. Perhaps you should brush up on your English & context skills? inb4 The Lock!
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:19:00 - [35] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: I did also start a thread yesterday after reading how much that Activision is spending on Destiny that CCP is running scared from the console market and for the long term health they probably should because it is where the big boys like 2K, Activision, and EA battle it out and CCP are like tykes in the big boy pool. They need to go back into the shallow end where things are safer. Actually, I think it has more to do with Planetside 2 coming to PS4 than a Borderlands clone made by Bungie.
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:20:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: You must be on your medication. Want to get back to me when you can make a coherent sentence? Seems coherent to me. Perhaps you should brush up on your English & context skills? Ah, you must be Attim's father then.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1642	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:23:00 - [37] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: The point your missing is that the console consumer market is the only demographic to ever hit a billion $ sales mark in its opening week. That is more than all the lotr movies opening weeks combined, that is more than any new jay z album will ever make. So when saying console games are inconsequential it's like saying everyone who will sees movies is inconsequential compare your leading sales of the best PC game and compare that to console, consoles sell more. Console gamers are the gamer market deny it if you want but it's true. Doesn't that speak more for gaming as a form of entertainment being more popular than traditional forms of entertainment, like cinema or music? Personally though, I disagree with the example of using GTA5 as a stock rule for the whole demographic of console gamers because it is one game amongst hundreds, if not thousands, of games on console and being blinded by numbers is hardly a objective analysis of the real demographic of console gamers. Probably the best way to compare would be to look at the sales figures PC vs console for a multiplatform game. But really does it matter? The fact is that PC and consoles are both going strong at the moment and are both viable forms for gaming for at least the next few years. I know consoles will be around for quite awhile because Michael Pachter said they would be dying and the dumbass is always wrong Now as far as Legion goes, PC is probably the safer bet for CCP. But that does not excuse them for shady business practices with their sales for a game they knew they couldn't deliver their promises on nor does it guarantee that they will be able to deliver on their promises this time. It also means that they have indeed failed in the original selling point of connecting a PC game to a console one. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 8062	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:28:00 - [38] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Ah, you must be Attim's father then. I don't have any parents, nor have I in the past 5 years. But by all means, keep trying, as its rather amusing seeing a wild fanboy outside of its natural habitat. inb4 The Lock!
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:28:00 - [39] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: The point your missing is that the console consumer market is the only demographic to ever hit a billion $ sales mark in its opening week. That is more than all the lotr movies opening weeks combined, that is more than any new jay z album will ever make. So when saying console games are inconsequential it's like saying everyone who will sees movies is inconsequential compare your leading sales of the best PC game and compare that to console, consoles sell more. Console gamers are the gamer market deny it if you want but it's true. Doesn't that speak more for gaming as a form of entertainment being more popular than traditional forms of entertainment, like cinema or music? Personally though, I disagree with the example of using GTA5 as a stock rule for the whole demographic of console gamers because it is one game amongst hundreds, if not thousands, of games on console and being blinded by numbers is hardly a objective analysis of the real demographic of console gamers. Probably the best way to compare would be to look at the sales figures PC vs console for a multiplatform game. But really does it matter? The fact is that PC and consoles are both going strong at the moment and are both viable forms for gaming for at least the next few years. I know consoles will be around for quite awhile because Michael Pachter said they would be dying and the dumbass is always wrong Now as far as Legion goes, PC is probably the safer bet for CCP. But that does not excuse them for shady business practices with their sales for a game they knew they couldn't deliver their promises on nor does it guarantee that they will be able to deliver on their promises this time. It also means that they have indeed failed in the original selling point of connecting a PC game to a console one. Thank you for a well thought through reply. :) As for Legion being "exclusive" to PC, I think it is as you say, that they want to risk less with something as complex as Dust was and so it makes more sense to put Valkyrie on PS4 (hope for some cross play!) and in retrospect, there is a lot of things we can wish were better.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1642	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:28:00 - [40] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: I did also start a thread yesterday after reading how much that Activision is spending on Destiny that CCP is running scared from the console market and for the long term health they probably should because it is where the big boys like 2K, Activision, and EA battle it out and CCP are like tykes in the big boy pool. They need to go back into the shallow end where things are safer. Actually, I think it has more to do with Planetside 2 coming to PS4 than a Borderlands clone made by Bungie. Maybe, I was just using Destiny as an example really of the obscene amounts of money the big players in gaming can put into these giant multiplatform games. Its almost like if Roger Corman movie trying to go up against The Avengers II. In fact I'm going to use that from now on CCP is the Roger Corman of gaming Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:32:00 - [41] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: I did also start a thread yesterday after reading how much that Activision is spending on Destiny that CCP is running scared from the console market and for the long term health they probably should because it is where the big boys like 2K, Activision, and EA battle it out and CCP are like tykes in the big boy pool. They need to go back into the shallow end where things are safer. Actually, I think it has more to do with Planetside 2 coming to PS4 than a Borderlands clone made by Bungie. Maybe, I was just using Destiny as an example really of the obscene amounts of money the big players in gaming can put into these giant multiplatform games. Its almost like if Roger Corman movie trying to go up against The Avengers II. In fact I'm going to use that from now on CCP is the Roger Corman of gaming And then you have games like Star Wars the Old Republic, which I think EA still hasn't recovered from and I have no idea how much money they spent on Warhammer Online. Bit harsh ;p
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1643	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:03:00 - [42] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: I did also start a thread yesterday after reading how much that Activision is spending on Destiny that CCP is running scared from the console market and for the long term health they probably should because it is where the big boys like 2K, Activision, and EA battle it out and CCP are like tykes in the big boy pool. They need to go back into the shallow end where things are safer. Actually, I think it has more to do with Planetside 2 coming to PS4 than a Borderlands clone made by Bungie. Maybe, I was just using Destiny as an example really of the obscene amounts of money the big players in gaming can put into these giant multiplatform games. Its almost like if Roger Corman movie trying to go up against The Avengers II. In fact I'm going to use that from now on CCP is the Roger Corman of gaming And then you have games like Star Wars the Old Republic, which I think EA still hasn't recovered from and I have no idea how much money they spent on Warhammer Online. Bit harsh ;p LOL to stick with my movie analogy, sometimes you get a Waterworld. And I may be being a little harsh on CCP but I am jilted, plus as their recent failures keep adding up their one success begins to look more and more like a fluke. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 849	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:06:00 - [43] - Quote I will start by saying that I will not be buying a PC to play games including legion so the dream of Eve likely dies with Dust. I think it will be a long time before the PC gaming market dies, look at records, but however you look at it the console market is where the money is. It is also a part of the reason that PC games moved to free to play with micro-transactions. But while I am disappointed with CCP and the "eventual" death of Dust and really annoyed with the cloak and dagger when it comes to Legion and promoting spending in Dust I think CCP probably needs to go back to the PC for now. The PC will give them a chance to workout how to programme a proper FPS in a less stressful environment. The PC market is low risk and low reward for CCP but to be honest CCP can not compete in the much higher risk/reward environment of the console industry where they players spend more money on promoting their products than CCP pays its staff. I suspect what will kill the PC market will also kill the console market i.e. a light weight wearable gaming rig with the power of a supercomputer and the equivalent of a ultra HD (8k) 100" tv beamed directly into your eyes. I am not talking about the occulus etc but what they may become in the future. Public Relations
Void Echo Total Extinction 2535	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:09:00 - [44] - Quote the future of gaming is wherever the gamer world decides to go. Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil. - Void Echo
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 27	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:20:00 - [45] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: And then you have games like Star Wars the Old Republic, which I think EA still hasn't recovered from and I have no idea how much money they spent on Warhammer Online. Bit harsh ;p SWTOR actually seems to be doing pretty good as a F2P game: http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/20/10-online-pc-games-that-made-more-than-100m-in-microtransaction-sales-last-year/ And one important thing to remember when you compare PC's to consoles is that Valve (which is privately owned), with something like 60 million users, don't publish their financials. No one knows how much money they make, but it's a lot.
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:29:00 - [46] - Quote Dr Dammit wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: And then you have games like Star Wars the Old Republic, which I think EA still hasn't recovered from and I have no idea how much money they spent on Warhammer Online. Bit harsh ;p SWTOR actually seems to be doing pretty good as a F2P game: http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/20/10-online-pc-games-that-made-more-than-100m-in-microtransaction-sales-last-year/ And one important thing to remember when you compare PC's to consoles is that Valve (which is privately owned), with something like 60 million users, don't publish their financials. No one knows how much money they make, but it's a lot. It does stop there. Look at Wargaming.net and Riot Games as well, they are making a lot of amount of money as well.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 970	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:36:00 - [47] - Quote low genius wrote: i play eve and i play dust the only thing a pc does that a console does not is multitask. sure, i can have 3 boxes of eve online running, i can have youtube playing videos, and i can be playing world of warplanes on top of all of that. but computers don't play games 'better' than consoles in any way. I have updated my PC more then 4 Years ago, and I feel that this was my last update to it. Most of my games on PC are RPGs that are not coming to the console, like BG2EE or other stuff. And there is EVE, one last big game on my system. I don't enjoy MOBAs, and I'm staying away from MMORPGs for several reasons. My PC could easily run BF4 and highres, I played skyrim with enhanced textures (it looks amazing). But I'm not playing for the graphics, that is why I no longer play skyrim, it's just not my game even if I should love it. And I play my BF4 on PS4. Why? Because of the comfort and I like the console community a little more then the PC community. What is left? Office stuff, Browser, Printer and Photos.Next time I think about upgrading my PC, I will think about getting a Windows 8 Tablet/laptop clone and keep the gaming exclusively on this "old" PC and my console of choice. R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014 EVE United


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