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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote: Then there is Blizzard that made a ridiculous amount of money each month, on one game, on PC for ten years. Suck it, peasant.
The fact that you feel superior to another human shows who the real peasant is here. Next I bet you'll be petitioning for your local government to have Jewish people added into a registry. I would suck it, but unlike you CCP Fanboys I don't give sexual favors on a video game forum.
You must be on your medication. Want to get back to me when you can make a coherent sentence? |
DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:16:00 -
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:If console players want DUST to become worthwhile on consoles, they will STRONGLY support development on the PC while SIMULTANEOUSLY voicing their desire for a PS4 version, A.S.A.P.
PC allows the game to be developed and optimized quickly, YOUR support and desire for a PS4 port is what is going to get CCP to make that decision and cut that deal with Sony. If you had been the pr rep for CCP I'd follow this advice as it stands I will go out of my way to damage there reputation as much as possible. Legion can dispense skittles from my USB and I still will never play it. And that is your right as a consumer, just as it's my right as a consumer to attempt to bring a sense of rationality and reality to the discussion.
To each their own.
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:19:00 -
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Bottom line dust sucks because of CCP not consoles your being led like sheep so that when Hilmar ***** on the whole project it can be deflected to the players. We'll guess what your right the players didn't support it because it's a **** product.
Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
8062
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:19:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote: You must be on your medication. Want to get back to me when you can make a coherent sentence?
Seems coherent to me.
Perhaps you should brush up on your English & context skills?
inb4 The Lock!
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:19:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:
I did also start a thread yesterday after reading how much that Activision is spending on Destiny that CCP is running scared from the console market and for the long term health they probably should because it is where the big boys like 2K, Activision, and EA battle it out and CCP are like tykes in the big boy pool. They need to go back into the shallow end where things are safer.
Actually, I think it has more to do with Planetside 2 coming to PS4 than a Borderlands clone made by Bungie. |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:20:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote: You must be on your medication. Want to get back to me when you can make a coherent sentence?
Seems coherent to me. Perhaps you should brush up on your English & context skills?
Ah, you must be Attim's father then. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
1642
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:23:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:
The point your missing is that the console consumer market is the only demographic to ever hit a billion $ sales mark in its opening week. That is more than all the lotr movies opening weeks combined, that is more than any new jay z album will ever make. So when saying console games are inconsequential it's like saying everyone who will sees movies is inconsequential compare your leading sales of the best PC game and compare that to console, consoles sell more. Console gamers are the gamer market deny it if you want but it's true.
Doesn't that speak more for gaming as a form of entertainment being more popular than traditional forms of entertainment, like cinema or music? Personally though, I disagree with the example of using GTA5 as a stock rule for the whole demographic of console gamers because it is one game amongst hundreds, if not thousands, of games on console and being blinded by numbers is hardly a objective analysis of the real demographic of console gamers.
Probably the best way to compare would be to look at the sales figures PC vs console for a multiplatform game. But really does it matter? The fact is that PC and consoles are both going strong at the moment and are both viable forms for gaming for at least the next few years. I know consoles will be around for quite awhile because Michael Pachter said they would be dying and the dumbass is always wrong
Now as far as Legion goes, PC is probably the safer bet for CCP. But that does not excuse them for shady business practices with their sales for a game they knew they couldn't deliver their promises on nor does it guarantee that they will be able to deliver on their promises this time. It also means that they have indeed failed in the original selling point of connecting a PC game to a console one.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
8062
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:28:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote: Ah, you must be Attim's father then.
I don't have any parents, nor have I in the past 5 years.
But by all means, keep trying, as its rather amusing seeing a wild fanboy outside of its natural habitat.
inb4 The Lock!
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:28:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:
The point your missing is that the console consumer market is the only demographic to ever hit a billion $ sales mark in its opening week. That is more than all the lotr movies opening weeks combined, that is more than any new jay z album will ever make. So when saying console games are inconsequential it's like saying everyone who will sees movies is inconsequential compare your leading sales of the best PC game and compare that to console, consoles sell more. Console gamers are the gamer market deny it if you want but it's true.
Doesn't that speak more for gaming as a form of entertainment being more popular than traditional forms of entertainment, like cinema or music? Personally though, I disagree with the example of using GTA5 as a stock rule for the whole demographic of console gamers because it is one game amongst hundreds, if not thousands, of games on console and being blinded by numbers is hardly a objective analysis of the real demographic of console gamers. Probably the best way to compare would be to look at the sales figures PC vs console for a multiplatform game. But really does it matter? The fact is that PC and consoles are both going strong at the moment and are both viable forms for gaming for at least the next few years. I know consoles will be around for quite awhile because Michael Pachter said they would be dying and the dumbass is always wrong Now as far as Legion goes, PC is probably the safer bet for CCP. But that does not excuse them for shady business practices with their sales for a game they knew they couldn't deliver their promises on nor does it guarantee that they will be able to deliver on their promises this time. It also means that they have indeed failed in the original selling point of connecting a PC game to a console one.
Thank you for a well thought through reply. :)
As for Legion being "exclusive" to PC, I think it is as you say, that they want to risk less with something as complex as Dust was and so it makes more sense to put Valkyrie on PS4 (hope for some cross play!) and in retrospect, there is a lot of things we can wish were better. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:28:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:
I did also start a thread yesterday after reading how much that Activision is spending on Destiny that CCP is running scared from the console market and for the long term health they probably should because it is where the big boys like 2K, Activision, and EA battle it out and CCP are like tykes in the big boy pool. They need to go back into the shallow end where things are safer.
Actually, I think it has more to do with Planetside 2 coming to PS4 than a Borderlands clone made by Bungie.
Maybe, I was just using Destiny as an example really of the obscene amounts of money the big players in gaming can put into these giant multiplatform games. Its almost like if Roger Corman movie trying to go up against The Avengers II.
In fact I'm going to use that from now on CCP is the Roger Corman of gaming
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:32:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:
I did also start a thread yesterday after reading how much that Activision is spending on Destiny that CCP is running scared from the console market and for the long term health they probably should because it is where the big boys like 2K, Activision, and EA battle it out and CCP are like tykes in the big boy pool. They need to go back into the shallow end where things are safer.
Actually, I think it has more to do with Planetside 2 coming to PS4 than a Borderlands clone made by Bungie. Maybe, I was just using Destiny as an example really of the obscene amounts of money the big players in gaming can put into these giant multiplatform games. Its almost like if Roger Corman movie trying to go up against The Avengers II. In fact I'm going to use that from now on CCP is the Roger Corman of gaming
And then you have games like Star Wars the Old Republic, which I think EA still hasn't recovered from and I have no idea how much money they spent on Warhammer Online.
Bit harsh ;p |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:03:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:
I did also start a thread yesterday after reading how much that Activision is spending on Destiny that CCP is running scared from the console market and for the long term health they probably should because it is where the big boys like 2K, Activision, and EA battle it out and CCP are like tykes in the big boy pool. They need to go back into the shallow end where things are safer.
Actually, I think it has more to do with Planetside 2 coming to PS4 than a Borderlands clone made by Bungie. Maybe, I was just using Destiny as an example really of the obscene amounts of money the big players in gaming can put into these giant multiplatform games. Its almost like if Roger Corman movie trying to go up against The Avengers II. In fact I'm going to use that from now on CCP is the Roger Corman of gaming And then you have games like Star Wars the Old Republic, which I think EA still hasn't recovered from and I have no idea how much money they spent on Warhammer Online. Bit harsh ;p
LOL to stick with my movie analogy, sometimes you get a Waterworld. And I may be being a little harsh on CCP but I am jilted, plus as their recent failures keep adding up their one success begins to look more and more like a fluke.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
849
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:06:00 -
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I will start by saying that I will not be buying a PC to play games including legion so the dream of Eve likely dies with Dust.
I think it will be a long time before the PC gaming market dies, look at records, but however you look at it the console market is where the money is. It is also a part of the reason that PC games moved to free to play with micro-transactions.
But while I am disappointed with CCP and the "eventual" death of Dust and really annoyed with the cloak and dagger when it comes to Legion and promoting spending in Dust I think CCP probably needs to go back to the PC for now.
The PC will give them a chance to workout how to programme a proper FPS in a less stressful environment. The PC market is low risk and low reward for CCP but to be honest CCP can not compete in the much higher risk/reward environment of the console industry where they players spend more money on promoting their products than CCP pays its staff.
I suspect what will kill the PC market will also kill the console market i.e. a light weight wearable gaming rig with the power of a supercomputer and the equivalent of a ultra HD (8k) 100" tv beamed directly into your eyes. I am not talking about the occulus etc but what they may become in the future.
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Void Echo
Total Extinction
2535
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:09:00 -
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the future of gaming is wherever the gamer world decides to go.
Closed Beta Vet.
Playstation 4 or nothing CCP.
Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil. - Void Echo
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Dr Dammit
Sognariket Logistics
27
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:20:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:And then you have games like Star Wars the Old Republic, which I think EA still hasn't recovered from and I have no idea how much money they spent on Warhammer Online.
Bit harsh ;p
SWTOR actually seems to be doing pretty good as a F2P game:
http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/20/10-online-pc-games-that-made-more-than-100m-in-microtransaction-sales-last-year/
And one important thing to remember when you compare PC's to consoles is that Valve (which is privately owned), with something like 60 million users, don't publish their financials. No one knows how much money they make, but it's a lot. |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:29:00 -
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Dr Dammit wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:And then you have games like Star Wars the Old Republic, which I think EA still hasn't recovered from and I have no idea how much money they spent on Warhammer Online.
Bit harsh ;p SWTOR actually seems to be doing pretty good as a F2P game: http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/20/10-online-pc-games-that-made-more-than-100m-in-microtransaction-sales-last-year/And one important thing to remember when you compare PC's to consoles is that Valve (which is privately owned), with something like 60 million users, don't publish their financials. No one knows how much money they make, but it's a lot.
It does stop there. Look at Wargaming.net and Riot Games as well, they are making a lot of amount of money as well. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
970
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:36:00 -
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low genius wrote:i play eve
and i play dust
the only thing a pc does that a console does not is multitask. sure, i can have 3 boxes of eve online running, i can have youtube playing videos, and i can be playing world of warplanes on top of all of that.
but computers don't play games 'better' than consoles in any way.
I have updated my PC more then 4 Years ago, and I feel that this was my last update to it.
Most of my games on PC are RPGs that are not coming to the console, like BG2EE or other stuff. And there is EVE, one last big game on my system. I don't enjoy MOBAs, and I'm staying away from MMORPGs for several reasons. My PC could easily run BF4 and highres, I played skyrim with enhanced textures (it looks amazing). But I'm not playing for the graphics, that is why I no longer play skyrim, it's just not my game even if I should love it. And I play my BF4 on PS4. Why? Because of the comfort and I like the console community a little more then the PC community.
What is left? Office stuff, Browser, Printer and Photos.Next time I think about upgrading my PC, I will think about getting a Windows 8 Tablet/laptop clone and keep the gaming exclusively on this "old" PC and my console of choice.
R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014
EVE United
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