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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:44:00 -
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I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2756
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:45:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:http://www.wowlolfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Babies-Crying-HD-Pictures2.jpg
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14110
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:46:00 -
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Someone get this girl a rabies shot.
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Hin Raven
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:47:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
I just want my name and some title |
Force Seventrum
Negative-Impact
The East India Co.
22
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:50:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
Yes thats exactly what I belive.
Green Light EVE:Legion!
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2466
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:50:00 -
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if time played matters in legion then it's already not worth playing.
their will always be players that have been around longer, and if that creates a point in the game that new players cannot enjoy the game, then it is doomed to fail from the beginning.
one of the points of legion is to create pve, and other game modes where players can play the game without the need to face proto stomps every match.
doing a server wipe does nothing but hide that for a few months then new players joining will be behind again.
finally legion can either be considered a reboot or the continuation of dust514, which ever way they brand legion will largely effect whether their is a server wipe or not. |
Ziiro Celeste
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:50:00 -
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I've been playing "Legion" for the past two years since "Legion's" closed beta.
Yes, I do expect to be two years ahead of everyone else.
Aisha Ctarl if you didn't know
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
433
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:50:00 -
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If we can keep our foot on their throat as a community YES !!!! We may have to fight them every inch of the way every time they try to weasel out of it but it can be done.
Nothing will be done and this will all be a waste if we simply give up and walk away .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Poppa Smurfff
The Rainbow Effect
Dirt Nap Squad.
26
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:51:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
CCP hasnt yet stated that everything will be transferred, they are being very vague about the whole issue, which indeed probably means that they wont give us close to what we want.
As Ariana mentioned though that EVE players are discussing this on their own forums. Complaining that there will be too much of a gap, but they have also realized that its the same for anyone starting out in EVE. Having to compete with 10 year vets.
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ACADEMY BOMBER
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:53:00 -
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it's your own fault for believing so much in a match shooter on an 8 year old machine.. next time don't be so naive. |
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NomaDz 2K
The Rainbow Effect
172
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:53:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
Yez some people do it to gain protein
DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514
CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
184
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:55:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:if time played matters in legion then it's already not worth playing.
their will always be players that have been around longer, and if that creates a point in the game that new players cannot enjoy the game, then it is doomed to fail from the beginning.
one of the points of legion is to create pve, and other game modes where players can play the game without the need to face proto stomps every match.
doing a server wipe does nothing but hide that for a few months then new players joining will be behind again.
finally legion can either be considered a reboot or the continuation of dust514, which ever way they brand legion will largely effect whether their is a server wipe or not.
Explain how the "sandbox" will work then?
It is the same in eve, it takes about 2 years of subscribing before you can truly compete, at that point more SP isn't a big deal. I can easily prove that too. Look at who has controlled EVE: coalitions of players over 2 years old. Even goonswarm, when they were young but with tons of players, they were kicked around like a soccer ball by the north and BoB. Around 2 years later their membership had the prerequisite SP and isk to start actually standing up for themselves.
If you do a sandbox in new eden, AGE is a HUGE deal up to a certain point. Otherwise there will be no sandbox, only instanced PvE and level matched non-consequentail PvP.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Alina Heart
DEST1NY AWAITS
475
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:56:00 -
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Poppa Smurfff wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. CCP hasnt yet stated that everything will be transferred, they are being very vague about the whole issue, which indeed probably means that they wont give us close to what we want. As Ariana mentioned though that EVE players are discussing this on their own forums. Complaining that there will be too much of a gap, but they have also realized that its the same for anyone starting out in EVE. Having to compete with 10 year vets.
Tell the EVE players to suck a Big one, they shat on Dust the moment CCP announced it and laugh at anybody who dare say liked the game.
Now it's on PC and those Eve-tards are having an Orgy over a game they hoped to see die just 2 weeks ago.
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Riptalis
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:57:00 -
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When I first joined Dust I was getting wrecked all the time but now I have more experience. It'll be the same when new players join Legion! Or what if they just add a sort of Battle Academy but way longer? |
Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
184
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:58:00 -
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Ziiro Celeste wrote:I've been playing "Legion" for the past two years since "Legion's" closed beta.
Yes, I do expect to be two years ahead of everyone else.
#1 aisha.. did you get forum banned?
#2 CCP's response "Legion and Dust are two seperate games." This of course menas that LOL FU going from dust to legion. Also the vague-ness of their "transfer" also implies that they are going to bend you over and... well you understand.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:00:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. CCP hasnt yet stated that everything will be transferred, they are being very vague about the whole issue, which indeed probably means that they wont give us close to what we want. As Ariana mentioned though that EVE players are discussing this on their own forums. Complaining that there will be too much of a gap, but they have also realized that its the same for anyone starting out in EVE. Having to compete with 10 year vets. Tell the EVE players to suck a Big one, they shat on Dust the moment CCP announced it and laugh at anybody who dare say liked the game. Now it's on PC and those Eve-tards are having an Orgy over a game they hoped to see die just 2 weeks ago.
So CCP bends over backwards for their PC audience, kills a game that is finally starting to grow again, and you think they will not listen to the eve-jerks and completely reset you??? LOL.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
304
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:00:00 -
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Hin Raven wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. I just want my name and some title
Hin Raven
'The Beta Tester'
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RolyatDerTeufel
1781
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:03:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
yes I would believe they would allow us to be anywhere from 2 years to a couple weeks older then LEGIONARIES.
They let new characters play EVE still with people 10 years "ahead" of those noobs.
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:04:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. yes I would believe they would allow us to be anywhere from 2 years to a couple weeks older then LEGIONARIES. They let new characters play EVE still with people 10 years "ahead" of those noobs.
Like I said, I have a bridge to sell you.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
433
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:05:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:
Tell the EVE players to suck a Big one, they shat on Dust the moment CCP announced it and laugh at anybody who dare say liked the game.
Now it's on PC and those Eve-tards are having an Orgy over a game they hoped to see die just 2 weeks ago.
......
sigh there is a difference between an Eve Bitter Troll ..... and an Eve Player . Just saying ..
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
172
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:08:00 -
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Here lemme help.
http://youtu.be/NDEA_n_dvlc?t=21m15s
There 's a conditional clause at the end of his statement that people just overwhelm with cheer.
i wish i knew what he said.
regardless, if it helps the player base, START FRESH! I'm down.
Also, even if it is a lie, it keeps people playing dust for the time being. So win win.
Let people chase what ever dust dreams they have. People are still playing this game. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2466
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:30:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:calisk galern wrote:if time played matters in legion then it's already not worth playing.
their will always be players that have been around longer, and if that creates a point in the game that new players cannot enjoy the game, then it is doomed to fail from the beginning.
one of the points of legion is to create pve, and other game modes where players can play the game without the need to face proto stomps every match.
doing a server wipe does nothing but hide that for a few months then new players joining will be behind again.
finally legion can either be considered a reboot or the continuation of dust514, which ever way they brand legion will largely effect whether their is a server wipe or not. Explain how the "sandbox" will work then? It is the same in eve, it takes about 2 years of subscribing before you can truly compete, at that point more SP isn't a big deal. I can easily prove that too. Look at who has controlled EVE: coalitions of players over 2 years old. Even goonswarm, when they were young but with tons of players, they were kicked around like a soccer ball by the north and BoB. Around 2 years later their membership had the prerequisite SP and isk to start actually standing up for themselves. If you do a sandbox in new eden, AGE is a HUGE deal up to a certain point. Otherwise there will be no sandbox, only instanced PvE and level matched non-consequentail PvP.
the point isn't that age won't matter, the point is that you should not be required to participate in the same game modes with them 24/7.
you are not thrown into null sec upon creating your character in eve, yet you are in dust514, this is why proto stomping occurs, in legion they will be or at least should be separated and given their own experiences and ways to succeed.
you will have game modes where you can participate and contribute at any age of your character in eve, and likewise that should be in legion.
whether this is the case or it isn't the case their is no reason to do a wipe, because the success or flaw of the system will be apparent within a couple of months after the wipe.
i'm unsure of what you expect of the legion sandbox but players currently have been playing dust for 2 years, it was chromosome, and then it was uprising, and soon it will be legion. nothing really differs aside from the platform it will be presented to us on, just another major update really. |
Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:32:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:Here lemme help. http://youtu.be/NDEA_n_dvlc?t=21m15sThere 's a conditional clause at the end of his statement that people just overwhelm with cheer. i wish i knew what he said. regardless, if it helps the player base, START FRESH! I'm down. Also, even if it is a lie, it keeps people playing dust for the time being. So win win. Let people chase what ever dust dreams they have. People are still playing this game.
I guess I am just one of those people who would rather know the truth than live a lie.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Ivan Avogadro
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1131
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:35:00 -
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REAL PREDICTION. They will give you the following
- You get to keep your character name
- A Dust514 cosmetic dropsuit
- A small pile of ISK, probably close to ~1 week of playtime
- A couple of SP boosters to make up for having earned SP in Dust514 (these exact boosters will be on sale for any Legion player)
Markdown:
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:36:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:calisk galern wrote:if time played matters in legion then it's already not worth playing.
their will always be players that have been around longer, and if that creates a point in the game that new players cannot enjoy the game, then it is doomed to fail from the beginning.
one of the points of legion is to create pve, and other game modes where players can play the game without the need to face proto stomps every match.
doing a server wipe does nothing but hide that for a few months then new players joining will be behind again.
finally legion can either be considered a reboot or the continuation of dust514, which ever way they brand legion will largely effect whether their is a server wipe or not. Explain how the "sandbox" will work then? It is the same in eve, it takes about 2 years of subscribing before you can truly compete, at that point more SP isn't a big deal. I can easily prove that too. Look at who has controlled EVE: coalitions of players over 2 years old. Even goonswarm, when they were young but with tons of players, they were kicked around like a soccer ball by the north and BoB. Around 2 years later their membership had the prerequisite SP and isk to start actually standing up for themselves. If you do a sandbox in new eden, AGE is a HUGE deal up to a certain point. Otherwise there will be no sandbox, only instanced PvE and level matched non-consequentail PvP. the point isn't that age won't matter, the point is that you should not be required to participate in the same game modes with them 24/7. you are not thrown into null sec upon creating your character in eve, yet you are in dust514, this is why proto stomping occurs, in legion they will be or at least should be separated and given their own experiences and ways to succeed. you will have game modes where you can participate and contribute at any age of your character in eve, and likewise that should be in legion. i'm unsure of what you expect of the legion sandbox but players currently have been playing dust for 2 years, it was chromosome, and then it was uprising, and soon it will be legion. nothing really differs aside from the platform it will be presented to us on, just another major update really.
I am not sure what planet you are living on, but here in reality CCP has said things like:
"Dust and Legion are seperate games"
"Maybe transfer some of your skills and equipment if they applicable" <--- they won't be, why do you think all the ifs are there?
"If legion becomes an actual game, we will transfer some stuff" <- once again this allows a lot of wiggle room.
I just don't understand why anyone would believe such indefinite statements from a company that has been misleading it's playerbase for 7 months, even profiting from them off of false pretenses.
EDIT: every single thing that they have been saying has been specifically and carefully worded in a way for them to screw us over. EVERY SINGLE THING.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
966
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:43:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:...... sigh there is a difference between an Eve Bitter Troll ..... and an Eve Player . Just saying ..
not really... 
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2466
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:45:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:calisk galern wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:calisk galern wrote:if time played matters in legion then it's already not worth playing.
their will always be players that have been around longer, and if that creates a point in the game that new players cannot enjoy the game, then it is doomed to fail from the beginning.
one of the points of legion is to create pve, and other game modes where players can play the game without the need to face proto stomps every match.
doing a server wipe does nothing but hide that for a few months then new players joining will be behind again.
finally legion can either be considered a reboot or the continuation of dust514, which ever way they brand legion will largely effect whether their is a server wipe or not. Explain how the "sandbox" will work then? It is the same in eve, it takes about 2 years of subscribing before you can truly compete, at that point more SP isn't a big deal. I can easily prove that too. Look at who has controlled EVE: coalitions of players over 2 years old. Even goonswarm, when they were young but with tons of players, they were kicked around like a soccer ball by the north and BoB. Around 2 years later their membership had the prerequisite SP and isk to start actually standing up for themselves. If you do a sandbox in new eden, AGE is a HUGE deal up to a certain point. Otherwise there will be no sandbox, only instanced PvE and level matched non-consequentail PvP. the point isn't that age won't matter, the point is that you should not be required to participate in the same game modes with them 24/7. you are not thrown into null sec upon creating your character in eve, yet you are in dust514, this is why proto stomping occurs, in legion they will be or at least should be separated and given their own experiences and ways to succeed. you will have game modes where you can participate and contribute at any age of your character in eve, and likewise that should be in legion. i'm unsure of what you expect of the legion sandbox but players currently have been playing dust for 2 years, it was chromosome, and then it was uprising, and soon it will be legion. nothing really differs aside from the platform it will be presented to us on, just another major update really. I am not sure what planet you are living on, but here in reality CCP has said things like: "Dust and Legion are seperate games" "Maybe transfer some of your skills and equipment if they applicable" <--- they won't be, why do you think all the ifs are there? "If legion becomes an actual game, we will transfer some stuff" <- once again this allows a lot of wiggle room. I just don't understand why anyone would believe such indefinite statements from a company that has been misleading it's playerbase for 7 months, even profiting from them off of false pretenses. EDIT: every single thing that they have been saying has been specifically and carefully worded in a way for them to screw us over. EVERY SINGLE THING.
actually i've watched every video put out for fan fest, and by the end of fan fest they presented the project as just a continuation of dust and actually guaranteed full transfers.
although I take that at only face value, and wouldn't be surprised if they already changed that stance, it shows that ccp still aren't sure what they will be doing, how can the community have any idea what will happen.
as for them planning to screw us over, it's just standard non-committal PR bullshit that every company does, plain and simple they have no idea what they will do because they haven't even begun making the game yet. |
bastille123
5
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:51:00 -
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well it will be simple to me: if all my sp (i dont mind if my ISK is trasnfered or not) doesnt transfer to legion then im out and done with cpp ... heck im a console player and im willing to buy rig just for legion but if ccp cant even keep the time, money, effort, and frustration players put in their characters then its just not worth it to me to go to the whole bait dreams and empty promises again
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1065
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:54:00 -
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Well, they don't have a problem letting us be over a year ahead of new dust players and forcing them to play against us; so I don't see why they'd have a problem with it in Legion.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
Dirt Nap Squad.
1123
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:56:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
That's not the only thing they're swallowing. |
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
3053
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:00:00 -
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short answer: yes because legion is a continuation of dust might as well get the newbs used to the idea of people being more powerful than them
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2768
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:04:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:short answer: yes because legion is a continuation of dust might as well get the newbs used to the idea of people being more powerful than them
If the game is developed correctly it shouldn't matter how much SP you have, pvp contracts should still be a relatively balanced situation for all.
Also, up the match count to 32v32 (cause its #PCMasterRace now and we actually have the resources for that) and 1-2 Dust bittervets with some special looking gear won't make much of a difference.
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
304
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:06:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
Take into consideration that we already sometimes playing with people that just started playing game, and we have that 2yrs advantage over them. Beside CCP Z on character progression was talking something about 'total meta', in future when you will use fancy weapons, and staff all of it will have some meta points, and cumulation of that meta points will depend on with matches you will play - so there is probability that after transfer we will not fight with new PC players but with others people that transferred from PS3.
The future is not yet scheduled, PC can coexist with PS3 player base, we can fight in different regions, have different game modes.. potential is endless
PS
Have hope 
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
202
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:12:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:short answer: yes because legion is a continuation of dust might as well get the newbs used to the idea of people being more powerful than them
The #1 complaint about dust is protostomping, but I am sure they will do absolutely nothing to address that, especially with all of the evetards crying for a complete character reset.
ZDub 303 wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:short answer: yes because legion is a continuation of dust might as well get the newbs used to the idea of people being more powerful than them If the game is developed correctly it shouldn't matter how much SP you have, pvp contracts should still be a relatively balanced situation for all. Also, up the match count to 32v32 (cause its #PCMasterRace now and we actually have the resources for that) and 1-2 Dust bittervets with some special looking gear won't make much of a difference.
So MAG, a game 3 years older than dust, could do 256 vs 256 with larger maps and trees and stuff, but CCP could only do 16 vs 16 on PS3... that isn't an issue of power, it is an issue of horrible coding.
Also, you can not have any consequential PVP and tiered matches at the same time. Either you have tiered matches and they mean nothing, or you have sandbox mode and everyone fights everyone regardless of sp (like eve). This also means sandbox mode would be completely dominated by people from a completely different game coming in with 2+ years of sp/stuff.
You guys are so incredibly gullible.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2768
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:18:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:So MAG, a game 3 years older than dust, could do 256 vs 256 with larger maps and trees and stuff, but CCP could only do 16 vs 16 on PS3... that isn't an issue of power, it is an issue of horrible coding.
Also, you can not have any consequential PVP and tiered matches at the same time. Either you have tiered matches and they mean nothing, or you have sandbox mode and everyone fights everyone regardless of sp (like eve). This also means sandbox mode would be completely dominated by people from a completely different game coming in with 2+ years of sp/stuff.
You guys are so incredibly gullible.
MAG had a custom built engine to handle that. I played a lot of MAG back in the day, Zipper did an incredible job with it.
MAG died though... for a reason. A lot of it had to do with a lack of content. They had to cheat a lot to get those maps to handle so many players and couldn't build more of them very easily. No matter what you wanna say, this isn't Zipper. They can't make more than 32 player matches work on the PS3.. no matter who actually did or could.
High sec meta restricted matches and low sec unrestricted matches. Its easy and it makes sense. Gets newbies into the game easily and then gives them a reason to keep grinding.
Gullible? Sure... if it makes you feel better. I'm happily drinking the CCP Koolaid and its mighty tasty.
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Tallen Ellecon
1890
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:30:00 -
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LOL, I really have come to accept they might not transfer anything, but if allowing people to transfer their Name, SP, and BPOs, will break legions balance then it has already failed.
They stated they want Legion to be more gear based than skill based, which IMO means that SP won't matter quite as much, it will just allow you to unlock more things, but you can't make yourself much more powerful. This makes it easier for new players to stand against old players, they just won't have as many customization options. This works better for an FPS anyway.
So assuming Legion is balanced in such a way then transferring SP and BPOs (which all suits will be anyway) won't make a huge difference other than save time. I don't think they should transfer any ISK though if they want to have an in game economy.
 
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Koshh Seere
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:55:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:calisk galern wrote:if time played matters in legion then it's already not worth playing.
their will always be players that have been around longer, and if that creates a point in the game that new players cannot enjoy the game, then it is doomed to fail from the beginning.
one of the points of legion is to create pve, and other game modes where players can play the game without the need to face proto stomps every match.
doing a server wipe does nothing but hide that for a few months then new players joining will be behind again.
finally legion can either be considered a reboot or the continuation of dust514, which ever way they brand legion will largely effect whether their is a server wipe or not. Explain how the "sandbox" will work then? It is the same in eve, it takes about 2 years of subscribing before you can truly compete, at that point more SP isn't a big deal. I can easily prove that too. Look at who has controlled EVE: coalitions of players over 2 years old. Even goonswarm, when they were young but with tons of players, they were kicked around like a soccer ball by the north and BoB. Around 2 years later their membership had the prerequisite SP and isk to start actually standing up for themselves. If you do a sandbox in new eden, AGE is a HUGE deal up to a certain point. Otherwise there will be no sandbox, only instanced PvE and level matched non-consequentail PvP.
Bullshit, a week old player can be a hero tackler in a fleet and be showered with ISK for his hero deeds. |
Koshh Seere
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:03:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:short answer: yes because legion is a continuation of dust might as well get the newbs used to the idea of people being more powerful than them The #1 complaint about dust is protostomping, but I am sure they will do absolutely nothing to address that, especially with all of the evetards crying for a complete character reset. ZDub 303 wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:short answer: yes because legion is a continuation of dust might as well get the newbs used to the idea of people being more powerful than them If the game is developed correctly it shouldn't matter how much SP you have, pvp contracts should still be a relatively balanced situation for all. Also, up the match count to 32v32 (cause its #PCMasterRace now and we actually have the resources for that) and 1-2 Dust bittervets with some special looking gear won't make much of a difference. So MAG, a game 3 years older than dust, could do 256 vs 256 with larger maps and trees and stuff, but CCP could only do 16 vs 16 on PS3... that isn't an issue of power, it is an issue of horrible coding. Also, you can not have any consequential PVP and tiered matches at the same time. Either you have tiered matches and they mean nothing, or you have sandbox mode and everyone fights everyone regardless of sp (like eve). This also means sandbox mode would be completely dominated by people from a completely different game coming in with 2+ years of sp/stuff. You guys are so incredibly gullible.
Ye, because 256x256 in Mag was so enjoyable... |
Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:42:00 -
[39] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:So MAG, a game 3 years older than dust, could do 256 vs 256 with larger maps and trees and stuff, but CCP could only do 16 vs 16 on PS3... that isn't an issue of power, it is an issue of horrible coding.
Also, you can not have any consequential PVP and tiered matches at the same time. Either you have tiered matches and they mean nothing, or you have sandbox mode and everyone fights everyone regardless of sp (like eve). This also means sandbox mode would be completely dominated by people from a completely different game coming in with 2+ years of sp/stuff.
You guys are so incredibly gullible. MAG had a custom built engine to handle that. I played a lot of MAG back in the day, Zipper did an incredible job with it. MAG died though... for a reason. A lot of it had to do with a lack of content. They had to cheat a lot to get those maps to handle so many players and couldn't build more of them very easily. No matter what you wanna say, this isn't Zipper. They can't make more than 32 player matches work on the PS3.. no matter who actually did or could. High sec meta restricted matches and low sec unrestricted matches. Its easy and it makes sense. Gets newbies into the game easily and then gives them a reason to keep grinding. Gullible? Sure... if it makes you feel better. I'm happily drinking the CCP Koolaid and its mighty tasty.
Source for one freaking thing you said please? Can you back up even one single thing you said about MAG?
Admit it, you made all of that up didn't you?
I am so sick of people on the forums just making random stuff up because they are way to used to not being called on it.
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PLAYSTTION
Universal Allies Inc.
118
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:43:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
Yes, yes i do
Back to BF1943, only 3 more ranks to go till at the top!
Open Beta Vet 21mil sp
R.I.P Dust 514
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
4339
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:47:00 -
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We don't care what you think really. So why are you still here again? If you have all the info that tells you that CCP is deceitful company, then you should leave everything CCP alone, including its forums.
That COD "stop having fun" comic is appropriate for this thread
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10176
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:49:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
Welp there are players in EVE 10 Years head of me who put in the time and effort to play the game.
I put in 18 Months of effort and gameplay time....Yes I do think they will let me be X value be it months, SP, etc ahead of other players because I put the ******* effort in.
It's the bloody least they could do.
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:49:00 -
[43] - Quote
Michael Arck wrote:We don't care what you think really. So why are you still here again? If you have all the info that tells you that CCP is deceitful company, then you should leave everything CCP alone, including its forums.
That COD "stop having fun" comic is appropriate for this thread
Why would I, as a decent human being, want to let other people get lied to again? What am I , CPM?
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
1817
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:51:00 -
[44] - Quote
i double isk. any amount. just send it to eatsbabies cienfuegos, and a few seconds later BAM. doubled.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
661
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:52:00 -
[45] - Quote
Yeah, I really want to believe it, but I just can't anymore.
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:52:00 -
[46] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. Welp there are players in EVE 10 Years head of me who put in the time and effort to play the game. I put in 18 Months of effort and gameplay time....Yes I do think they will let me be X value be it months, SP, etc ahead of other players because I put the ******* effort in. It's the bloody least they could do.
You guys keep using your own logic to see a reaon why they would do this.
You keep ignoring the fact that CCP THEMSELVES are using very vague language in order to NOT MAKE A SINGLE PROMISE about transfer. They are doing the exact opposite:
"we will try to transfer over applicable skills and items"
You know what this means? It is a comment that says exactly nothing. Especially when they follow it up with:
"the skill progression and items will be very different"
It is PR speak to make the playerbase STFU.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
4339
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:54:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Michael Arck wrote:We don't care what you think really. So why are you still here again? If you have all the info that tells you that CCP is deceitful company, then you should leave everything CCP alone, including its forums.
That COD "stop having fun" comic is appropriate for this thread
Why would I, as a decent human being, want to let other people get lied to again? What am I , CPM?
So you're implying that people cannot think for themselves and make their own unique decisions and you're to help sway that?
And lets drop the CPM argument please.
I don't mind constructive arguments but the kiddie stuff is downright old. Leave the forums and stay away from CCP. SImple. It's been days since the keynote. Others have left, you should follow suit.
Grow up.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:56:00 -
[48] - Quote
calisk galern wrote:if time played matters in legion then it's already not worth playing.
Time matters in Dust... so, uh, why are you here? |
Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
4339
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:56:00 -
[49] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:True Adamance wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. Welp there are players in EVE 10 Years head of me who put in the time and effort to play the game. I put in 18 Months of effort and gameplay time....Yes I do think they will let me be X value be it months, SP, etc ahead of other players because I put the ******* effort in. It's the bloody least they could do. You guys keep using your own logic to see a reaon why they would do this. You keep ignoring the fact that CCP THEMSELVES are using very vague language in order to NOT MAKE A SINGLE PROMISE about transfer. They are doing the exact opposite: "we will try to transfer over applicable skills and items" You know what this means? It is a comment that says exactly nothing. Especially when they follow it up with: "the skill progression and items will be very different" It is PR speak to make the playerbase STFU.
Ok. So would you kindly leave then? We don't care. We made our beds and we shall lie in it. You should do the same, since you're halfway there.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10176
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:58:00 -
[50] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:True Adamance wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. Welp there are players in EVE 10 Years head of me who put in the time and effort to play the game. I put in 18 Months of effort and gameplay time....Yes I do think they will let me be X value be it months, SP, etc ahead of other players because I put the ******* effort in. It's the bloody least they could do. You guys keep using your own logic to see a reaon why they would do this. You keep ignoring the fact that CCP THEMSELVES are using very vague language in order to NOT MAKE A SINGLE PROMISE about transfer. They are doing the exact opposite: "we will try to transfer over applicable skills and items" You know what this means? It is a comment that says exactly nothing. Especially when they follow it up with: "the skill progression and items will be very different" It is PR speak to make the playerbase STFU.
Its very clearly not good PR speak then because we haven't STFU have we?
Basically nothing is set in stone, anything you say regarding the matter is subject to change and pure speculation......consequently anything I say is also speculation..... discussion regarding this is pointless.
Still Dust vets better get some kind of compensation for the months of beta testing we did for CCP.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8385
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:02:00 -
[51] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
That is a fallacy that has no logic and no evidence to back it up.
Even if we all started at Zero, it will happen anyways 1 year after that when a new player comes in and sees players that are 1 year ahead of him. Eve Online already has new players that face 11-year vets to this very day and so far it hasn't hurt Eve in the slightest.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8385
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:03:00 -
[52] - Quote
I'll just leave this here.
http://youtu.be/qOT0SCCYblw
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
229
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:50:00 -
[53] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. That is a fallacy that has no logic and no evidence to back it up. Even if we all started at Zero, it will happen anyways 1 year after that when a new player comes in and sees players that are 1 year ahead of him. Eve Online already has new players that face 11-year vets to this very day and so far it hasn't hurt Eve in the slightest.
No I have every bit of evidence to back up that they can not be trusted. That they will gladly throw people under the bus in no time flat (oh like the WoD leak, and then the subsequent lying from CCP?) CCP has lying as a corporate culture at this point, you have zero evidence to the contrary.
I have evidence to back up that they listen to evetards more than they listen to their own community
I also have evidence that by and large, evetards are really upset about the idea of dusties keeping progress.
I also have evidence that there has been not one statement actually saying that we are going to keep SP, ISK, or items.
Maybe you should get your facts straight there.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
229
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:52:00 -
[54] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:True Adamance wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. Welp there are players in EVE 10 Years head of me who put in the time and effort to play the game. I put in 18 Months of effort and gameplay time....Yes I do think they will let me be X value be it months, SP, etc ahead of other players because I put the ******* effort in. It's the bloody least they could do. You guys keep using your own logic to see a reaon why they would do this. You keep ignoring the fact that CCP THEMSELVES are using very vague language in order to NOT MAKE A SINGLE PROMISE about transfer. They are doing the exact opposite: "we will try to transfer over applicable skills and items" You know what this means? It is a comment that says exactly nothing. Especially when they follow it up with: "the skill progression and items will be very different" It is PR speak to make the playerbase STFU. Its very clearly not good PR speak then because we haven't STFU have we? Basically nothing is set in stone, anything you say regarding the matter is subject to change and pure speculation......consequently anything I say is also speculation..... discussion regarding this is pointless. Still Dust vets better get some kind of compensation for the months of beta testing we did for CCP.
It is working, that combined with Michael whatever his name is and the rest of the CCP white knighters, the forums are not even 50% filled with the bile and vitriol that they were over the weekend. You can even see that some people, such as yourself, have started posting again based upon the allusion to the hint of a promise.
I will wait until something is set in stone, and at that point I will be apprehensive because CCP has a track record of BALD FACE LYING.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
5224
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:52:00 -
[55] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it.
And you obviously didn't watch the Progression presentation where they talked about their primary design goal being making a flatter playing field for Dust with more horizontal progression and less vertical.
With such a system, our large quantities of SP would just mean we could do more things, not be able to do them better.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2785
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:11:00 -
[56] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. And you obviously didn't watch the Progression presentation where they talked about their primary design goal being making a flatter playing field for Dust with more horizontal progression and less vertical. With such a system, our large quantities of SP would just mean we could do more things, not be able to do them better.
Another thing to consider is that all of the money we've made could make for some good seed money to kick start the player market.
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Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
187
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:13:00 -
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Considering that new players join EVE every day and my EVE characters have 130 million SP from 2006, yes I do expect it. |
Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:14:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. And you obviously didn't watch the Progression presentation where they talked about their primary design goal being making a flatter playing field for Dust with more horizontal progression and less vertical. With such a system, our large quantities of SP would just mean we could do more things, not be able to do them better.
So in one part of your statement, you talk about how CCP wanted a flatter playing field, on the other you think they would have no problem with transfering enough SP (2 years worth) to fill up large portions of that?
Also, you speak about how they state they are changing the entire skill system, but do not mention CCP stating that it will transfer SP were it is applicable (PR speak for go f yourselves)
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14126
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:15:00 -
[59] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. And you obviously didn't watch the Progression presentation where they talked about their primary design goal being making a flatter playing field for Dust with more horizontal progression and less vertical. With such a system, our large quantities of SP would just mean we could do more things, not be able to do them better. Another thing to consider is that all of the money we've made could make for some good seed money to kick start the player market.
At first I thought letting us keep our ISK would just be stupid, but then I realized they want to open up the economies with each other, so our ISK is like....a drop in the bucket if they do that lol.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
4344
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:17:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:True Adamance wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:True Adamance wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. Welp there are players in EVE 10 Years head of me who put in the time and effort to play the game. I put in 18 Months of effort and gameplay time....Yes I do think they will let me be X value be it months, SP, etc ahead of other players because I put the ******* effort in. It's the bloody least they could do. You guys keep using your own logic to see a reaon why they would do this. You keep ignoring the fact that CCP THEMSELVES are using very vague language in order to NOT MAKE A SINGLE PROMISE about transfer. They are doing the exact opposite: "we will try to transfer over applicable skills and items" You know what this means? It is a comment that says exactly nothing. Especially when they follow it up with: "the skill progression and items will be very different" It is PR speak to make the playerbase STFU. Its very clearly not good PR speak then because we haven't STFU have we? Basically nothing is set in stone, anything you say regarding the matter is subject to change and pure speculation......consequently anything I say is also speculation..... discussion regarding this is pointless. Still Dust vets better get some kind of compensation for the months of beta testing we did for CCP. It is working, that combined with Michael whatever his name is and the rest of the CCP white knighters, the forums are not even 50% filled with the bile and vitriol that they were over the weekend. You can even see that some people, such as yourself, have started posting again based upon the allusion to the hint of a promise. I will wait until something is set in stone, and at that point I will be apprehensive because CCP has a track record of BALD FACE LYING.
Ok, if they left, why haven't you? If you feel that CCP is doing Satan's work, then why haven't you left yet?
I'm seriously curious as to why you continue to post here if this game has nothing for you and the forum is full of "white knighters" (I just love how one gamer says a term and then everybody just keeps repeating, like the stupid car analogy)
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
231
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:17:00 -
[61] - Quote
Talryn Vilneram wrote:Considering that new players join EVE every day and my EVE characters have 130 million SP from 2006, yes I do expect it.
Be prepared to be disappointed. Why do you think they have not firmly said:
"if you have two years worth of progress in Dust, you will have two years worth of progress in Legion"
no they say things like
"we will transfer sp if it is applicable, but the skill tree is going to completely change"
They are just smart enought o wait a few more months/years until they unveil that tid-bit of information. There is evidence to back up the behaviour I speak of (you know, keep quite on a dead game for 7 months and promote people to spend money on it.)
ZDub 303 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. And you obviously didn't watch the Progression presentation where they talked about their primary design goal being making a flatter playing field for Dust with more horizontal progression and less vertical. With such a system, our large quantities of SP would just mean we could do more things, not be able to do them better. Another thing to consider is that all of the money we've made could make for some good seed money to kick start the player market.
Sure, eve players are not going to cry their brains out about DNS bringing over a few trillion isk... not at all.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
231
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. And you obviously didn't watch the Progression presentation where they talked about their primary design goal being making a flatter playing field for Dust with more horizontal progression and less vertical. With such a system, our large quantities of SP would just mean we could do more things, not be able to do them better. Another thing to consider is that all of the money we've made could make for some good seed money to kick start the player market. At first I thought letting us keep our ISK would just be stupid, but then I realized they want to open up the economies with each other, so our ISK is like....a drop in the bucket if they do that lol.
So lets say they allow Dust to continue for 1-2 years in the state that it is in... this means that Kane Saprro (SP?) could potentially have 1-2 trillion isk. Not a drop in the bucket on an individual, or alliance wide basis.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2785
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:24:00 -
[63] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:So lets say they allow Dust to continue for 1-2 years in the state that it is in... this means that Kane Saprro (SP?) could potentially have 1-2 trillion isk. Not a drop in the bucket on an individual, or alliance wide basis.
They just need to fix PC is all. Although do you really expect DNS to hold MH for the next 2 years? If Kane can manage it I think he deserves that isk.. shoot.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3837
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:52:00 -
[64] - Quote
Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. And you obviously didn't watch the Progression presentation where they talked about their primary design goal being making a flatter playing field for Dust with more horizontal progression and less vertical. With such a system, our large quantities of SP would just mean we could do more things, not be able to do them better.
That's the part I dislike about the progression system. Imagine if after 2 years of playing Eve your best ship was only marginally more powerful than a new player's.
I see a vast majority of this current playerbase spending most of their time avoiding PvP at all costs. How else could one see it go? You've got people with 30 mil+ SP that run BPOs and militia gear while sitting on 100+ mil ISK currently. And this may not be that bad IF it means that upon entering a PvP battle they'd step up their gear a notch in order to contribute more than 5-15 and 450 WP.
And to the OP. CCP is a business, they may have screwed up the announcement of Legion in an epic fashion, but it's not in their best interest to screw over their players.
CCP opened up New Eden to a large number of players that would have never known it existed if not for Dust. Valkyrie on PS4 is the next avenue to bring in more people.
It would be a very bad idea to not allow for Dust players to carry their progression over.
Level 3 Forum Warrior
PSN: wbrom42
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8387
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:55:00 -
[65] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. That is a fallacy that has no logic and no evidence to back it up. Even if we all started at Zero, it will happen anyways 1 year after that when a new player comes in and sees players that are 1 year ahead of him. Eve Online already has new players that face 11-year vets to this very day and so far it hasn't hurt Eve in the slightest. No I have every bit of evidence to back up that they can not be trusted. That they will gladly throw people under the bus in no time flat (oh like the WoD leak, and then the subsequent lying from CCP?) CCP has lying as a corporate culture at this point, you have zero evidence to the contrary. I have evidence to back up that they listen to evetards more than they listen to their own community I also have evidence that by and large, evetards are really upset about the idea of dusties keeping progress. I also have evidence that there has been not one statement actually saying that we are going to keep SP, ISK, or items. Maybe you should get your facts straight there.
/sigh
Thank you for bringing evidence for the WRONG POINT!
I'm talking about the SP gap.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
234
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:03:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. That is a fallacy that has no logic and no evidence to back it up. Even if we all started at Zero, it will happen anyways 1 year after that when a new player comes in and sees players that are 1 year ahead of him. Eve Online already has new players that face 11-year vets to this very day and so far it hasn't hurt Eve in the slightest. No I have every bit of evidence to back up that they can not be trusted. That they will gladly throw people under the bus in no time flat (oh like the WoD leak, and then the subsequent lying from CCP?) CCP has lying as a corporate culture at this point, you have zero evidence to the contrary. I have evidence to back up that they listen to evetards more than they listen to their own community I also have evidence that by and large, evetards are really upset about the idea of dusties keeping progress. I also have evidence that there has been not one statement actually saying that we are going to keep SP, ISK, or items. Maybe you should get your facts straight there. /sigh Thank you for bringing evidence for the WRONG POINT! I'm talking about the SP gap.
First you speak of me having no evidence to back up that CCP wants to start fresh... this by itself is completely mind-blowing.
Then you go to state since people in Eve start 10 years behind right now, that there should be no difference for people in Legion to start 2-3 years behind. To that I say LOL. Go visit the eve forums, CCP is obviously pandering to their EvE crowd, not the console crowd, what does the Eve crowd say about full character transfers?
Beyond even that, if Full character transfer were even on the table, wouldn't CCP say as much?
Why would they use such uncertain and obfuscated language? This is EXACTLY the type of language you use as to NOT make a promise while leading people on. Something that CCP has a history of doing.
No, you have ABSOLUTELY no evidence that anything other than your character name/picture will transfer over. CCP has not said that ANYTHING else will transfer over.
They have said that MAYBE SOME stuff will transfer over IF applicable. That is about as far away from confirmation as you can get short of saying nothing at all.
If you can not see that you have a lot to learn about this world.
TLDR: There is zero reason to think they will let you have a 1-2-3 year head start on everyone else in their brand new game. See above for evidence.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
640
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:11:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. And you obviously didn't watch the Progression presentation where they talked about their primary design goal being making a flatter playing field for Dust with more horizontal progression and less vertical. With such a system, our large quantities of SP would just mean we could do more things, not be able to do them better. That's the part I dislike about the progression system. Imagine if after 2 years of playing Eve your best ship was only marginally more powerful than a new player's.
Why is this a problem FFS?
With one breath people claim they want a "player skill" based game then the next they are clamouring for massive built-in character based advantages.
Every day all over the world people play games like FPSes, MOBAs and so on where all they bring to each fight is their personal skill, not their time-based grinding advantage.
Face it, what you REALLY want to play is a Korean MMO grind fest, not a balanced FPS. |
Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
4345
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:14:00 -
[68] - Quote
It's like the OP is the Terminator
I can hear Kyle Reese
"It can't be reasoned with or bargained with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse. And it absolutely will not stop, ever! Until this game is dead!"
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
99
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:21:00 -
[69] - Quote
I wonder, will the sp system be like DUST or EVE?
If the former, they can easily just change how much sp skills cost. So, they can screw you out of a lot of skill progression.
If it is the latter then they truly could play us like a fiddle.
"We watch what they (players) do, not what they say"
-Hilmar
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Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
188
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:07:00 -
[70] - Quote
Hi!
Welcome to New Eden!
My Alliance lost over twenty Trillion ISK in the battle of B-R alone.
DUST ISK ain't s**t |
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14127
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:17:00 -
[71] - Quote
Michael Arck wrote:It's like the OP is the Terminator
I can hear Kyle Reese
"It can't be reasoned with or bargained with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse. And it absolutely will not stop, ever! Until this game is dead!"
I hid the OPs posts lol.
There's something highly amusing about posting in her threads now that I can't see her responses ^_^
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RolyatDerTeufel
1783
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:21:00 -
[72] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:
I have evidence to back up that they listen to evetards more than they listen to their own community
I'd like to point on this little piece, lol, EVEtards aren't part of CCP's community guys.
Which universe did Dust enter again? Ohh right. EVE Universe.
Twitch.TV Live Stream
YouTube Channel
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M McManus
519
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:23:00 -
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Ziiro Celeste wrote:I've been playing "Legion" for the past two years since "Legion's" closed beta.
Yes, I do expect to be two years ahead of everyone else.
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Rupture Reaperson
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
319
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
It's the bloody least they could do.
Sounds naive... this is CCP that were are talking here, they made their 10y/o game live by spining information harder than tazmanian vitriola (yes i made a vitriola reference) when they ****** up. Are you gonna really bank on "least they could do"?
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Gemini Cuspid
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:09:00 -
[75] - Quote
RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:I have a bridge to sell you.
Do you honestly think that CCP is going to let you be basically 2years + ahead of everyone else from the word go in Legion?
Do you honestly think they will even let you be 1 year ahead of anyone else in Legion?
LOL, I can't believe someone can repeatedly lie to YOUR FACE and you will still swallow it. yes I would believe they would allow us to be anywhere from 2 years to a couple weeks older then LEGIONARIES. They let new characters play EVE still with people 10 years "ahead" of those noobs.
EvE does not equal Dust...Dust does not equal EvE....You can spend 2 years killing pirate NPC's in EvE and avoid PvP/E for the most part. You get no luxury in Dust of that guarantee even mildly. You skills of logic and deduction hurt my head. Please go away before you get more butthurt please, kthxgdbye! |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
1684
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:30:00 -
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It isn't a question of "will CCP transfer our stuff?" it is more of a question of "how the hell are they going to do it?" If Legion was the same skill tree, boom, perfect. Easy. The damage done to the game with people just sending off messages of "don't buy anything from CCP" would be more than just having people 20, 30, 50 million SP ahead of everyone else. If the game has a good NPE or training experience that it can separate the protobears from the militia guys than being ahead won't matter. With how matchmaking is supposedly going to work, giving you a meta level that determines where you will be placed, it means that it is unlikely you will see many people running the equivilant of prototype gear early in the game because the only people that are going to have that are us veterans. If we want to play with new people, we would have to use lower level meta stuff. The advantage is then our better fitting variety and, assuming they still exist, passive skills like a better radar and the like.
The "how the hell part?" is the best question to ask and the most worrisome. The system is transferring over to an entirely different system where we will level up Roles rather than individual skills. This likely means having Caldari Logistics 5, Nanohive 5, and Repair Tool 5 will be equal to going so deep into the Logistics role. That really isn't a "you now have points in these skills" thing. If getting so deep into the Logistics role costs 2 million SP whereas the equivilant now would be ~4, they can't just give us our SP because we start to run into the free lunch thing.
But maybe we should get the free lunch thing. I have about 33 million SP. I have been playing for about 14 months now but I did take a lengthy break in the game. I have that much SP because I ran boosters 24/7. If you short someone with 33 million SP, you are shorting them the time investment they had in DUST. If you short my 35 million SP or someone's 50, 60 million SP, you are shorting them in the money they put into DUST 514. It is a fustercluck beyond what the devs want to admit. It isn't an easy answer but, well, see my signature.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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