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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
2016
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:22:00 -
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All you guys crying about how DUST is dead are seriously failing to realize the big picture here.
Let's face it, DUST has evolved very little over the past year. Yeah, we've had a few new maps, weapons, the like, but nothing in terms of actual gameplay that truly revolutionized the way we play this game. This comes part and parcel with the fact that the PS3 just does not offer enough processing power to truly bring this game to the next-gen.
Now, some of you may say, "Why not just port it to the PS4!?" Yeah... and then what? When the PS4's turn is up do we just keep moving to the next console, constantly having to spend months/years of development time reworking everything for the next console to come? That's nonsense. Consoles are simply not feasible for designing the type of game CCP is dreaming of, and I'm entirely with them. PCs have been in the running through all the console wars and not once has anyone claimed "The PC is dead" with any serious merit.
Consider also this, much of the reason that we don't see updates nearly as often as we'd like is due to CCP's relation with Sony. If you didn't already know, CCP has to have their patches "approved" by Sony QA before it can be unleashed to the public. This creates a load of issues as there's between CCP and the players that allows them to get active feedback from their updates. On the PC, CCP could easily release updates on their Test server and adequately test them prior to releasing them to the public. There's just so much more possibility between CCP and player feedback that will be possible with a PC port. Literally everything that was stopping them from envisioning DUST on the PS3 is nonexistent on the PC, barring current technological restrictions.
The PC will be able to handle infinitely better graphics that can STILL be turned down if you run a low-end PC. Every PC game offers graphical settings and modifying config files to allow you to play games even with a crappy computer. CCP will no longer have to worry about technical limitations on maps or limiting this game to 16v16 because of memory restrictions, processing power, etc. We'll finally be able to have massive scale battles that will look beautiful and truly give an immersive experience.
I know a lot of you are crying because you want CCP to magically make DUST work on the PS3, but the reality is that it just doesn't. The PS3 doesn't offer enough leverage to the developers to truly allow them to do what they want. By switching to PC, CCP devs are now free to experiment with so much more and in turn give us a greater experience.
In short, stop living in the past clinging to false hope. Accept reality and the fact that DUST on the PS3 is not feasible. Yes it's a slap in the face to the people who are devoted consolites and have played this game for years, but the time is nigh to take DUST into the future.
I apologize earlier for shoving it in your face, but this is my best attempt at an objective analysis on why CCP is doing what they're doing, and I truly believe it's the right way forward and will continue to support them.
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Alex-P-Keaton Kramer
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:24:00 -
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im not going to bother to read any of the OP's message because its way too many words but i will tell you that its my fault dust didnt evolve, i take full responsibility, im sorry, i wish i could have done better
i like to go to craigslist and look at the personal ad's transexuals put up
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2518
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:24:00 -
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Indeed. +1
For anyone who thinks that a gaming PC is out of reach: you can pick up a low-end, but totally usable, one on Newegg for $459, which is barely more than a PS4 costs.
http://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-83-227-510
I saw that rail rifle in the Legion gameplay demo. I have rail rifle Ops V. Character transfers to Legion kthnx.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1882
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:27:00 -
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That's a lot of words to say CCP f*cked up.
Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
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Sourdough Muffins
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
315
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:27:00 -
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I think people are more mad because they feel that their trust has been betrayed. They spent lots of time and in some cases hundreds of dollars for THIS game. Personally, I don't care much for Legion. This game has ruined CCP's reputation in many peoples eyes. |
Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
846
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:28:00 -
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And judging by the specs isn't as powerful as the ps4.
Let's spend more money to get a shittier version.
Bravo on the logic. |
DJINN Stephani
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:29:00 -
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I read the reviews for this..........
"20,000 years in the future"
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2667
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:31:00 -
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I think this comes off the back of the WoD cancellation as well.
CCP sat down, looked at their assets and their financial losses in 2013 and said... Look.. we need to refocus our vision and collapse our assets to a more manageable situation.
That situation is New Eden on the PC. Anything outside of New Eden on the PC should be looked at as icing on the cake, ancillary products outside of their normal scope.
Given the situation of Eve: Valkyrie on PS4 with Morpheus I think we can expect to eventually see a PS4 port for Legion as well. However, getting a test server set up and getting a working product on the PC has to be the first priority if this is truly their vision.
'#PCMasterRace
5/2/2014 - Best day in Dust History
Does this mean we'll be called... Legionnaires?
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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
246
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:32:00 -
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Thanks for the recommendation. Aside from price, are gaming laptops okay? I'd like to be mobile with it.
Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast.
Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
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Kaughst
Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
446
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:34:00 -
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If they do not let us transfer our characters, or can not, than there will be no point in trying to convince people that anyone should switch to Legion. Literally two years of playing this game nearly every week of my progression will be lost if I am not able to do so. If that is the reality than Dust players should be angry that they are being left to a underdeveloped game that we put our hearts into just so we are forgotten about.
"He said he has a alt in STB."
"Everyone has a alt in STB."
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fixitgd
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
136
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:37:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I think this comes off the back of the WoD cancellation as well.
CCP sat down, looked at their assets and their financial losses in 2013 and said... Look.. we need to refocus our vision and collapse our assets to a more manageable situation.
That situation is New Eden on the PC. Anything outside of New Eden on the PC should be looked at as icing on the cake, ancillary products outside of their normal scope.
Given the situation of Eve: Valkyrie on PS4 with Morpheus I think we can expect to eventually see a PS4 port for Legion as well. However, getting a test server set up and getting a working product on the PC has to be the first priority if this is truly their vision.
If this is the case (PC test server --> PS4 port) I am sure some of us can understand. But a CLEAR objective outlined by CCP can never truly be trusted again.
How many times does it take to turn off a customer? |
Berserker007
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
525
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:37:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:Thanks for the recommendation. Aside from price, are gaming laptops okay? I'd like to be mobile with it.
no they arent, despite what anyone says. Give a gaming laptop (or any laptop), and your graphics card (and update drivers) could be outdated in about 2 yrs, and thats a top of line gaming laptop w/ the best current laptop graphics card (which i had one 6yrs ago, and in a years time it couldnt run most games even at a subpar setting).
If you want to PC game, invest and get a good desktop
Closed Beta Vet
Mordu's Trials Winner
Original IMP
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
1775
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:37:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:All you guys crying about how DUST is dead are seriously failing to realize the big picture here.
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You really destroyed any credibility of everything else to follow by opening up with this.
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
285
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:38:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:
Now, some of you may say, "Why not just port it to the PS4!?" Yeah... and then what? When the PS4's turn is up do we just keep moving to the next console, constantly having to spend months/years of development time reworking everything for the next console to come? That's nonsense. Consoles are simply not feasible for designing the type of game CCP is dreaming of, and I'm entirely with them. PCs have been in the running through all the console wars and not once has anyone claimed "The PC is dead" with any serious merit.
PC is no different than a console, but you essentially have to buy a new console every 2 years instead of 5-6. Games also need rework, to accommodate new technologies like DX11/Mantle or stay with sub par graphics (see WoW, TF2) because their playerbase doesn't have new gear. IMHO it's not really an argument...
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Jadek Menaheim
Ancient Textiles.
2917
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:38:00 -
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What seriously irks me is the lack of information and preparation for addressing player concerns on how much content or character information is prevented from transferring between Dust and Legion. I have hundreds of dollars tied up in items I was planning to award to players in the Dust Challenge Lottery.
I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
"A Møøse once bit my sister"
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Jessica Montoya
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
35
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:40:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:Thanks for the recommendation. Aside from price, are gaming laptops okay? I'd like to be mobile with it.
you can get a gaming laptop as good as almost any tower, but you will pay more than its tower equivalent for the mobility. (key word there is almost, because laptops can't perform as good as a tower withought becoming one itself) |
Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
2026
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:44:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:
Now, some of you may say, "Why not just port it to the PS4!?" Yeah... and then what? When the PS4's turn is up do we just keep moving to the next console, constantly having to spend months/years of development time reworking everything for the next console to come? That's nonsense. Consoles are simply not feasible for designing the type of game CCP is dreaming of, and I'm entirely with them. PCs have been in the running through all the console wars and not once has anyone claimed "The PC is dead" with any serious merit.
PC is no different than a console, but you essentially have to buy a new console every 2 years instead of 5-6. Games also need rework, to accommodate new technologies like DX11/Mantle or stay with sub par graphics (see WoW, TF2) because their playerbase doesn't have new gear. IMHO it's not really an argument...
It IS an argument, one that you're failing to adequately understand yourself. You do NOT need to build a new PC every 2 years. I built mine about 5 or 6 years ago and I still have a multitude of newly released games that I play on max settings without a hitch.
You know another great thing about my PC? If I need to upgrade, I don't need to buy a completely new one to do it. I can go spend $150 to get a new graphics card and replace mine if it's outdated or not working, or spend $50-70 to get more RAM if I'm low on memory.
Face it, consoles are PCs that are just dumbed down. Even now, people claim to use their PS3s only for Netflix or whatever. You don't even need it for that. I have a small server set up that I built for $200 that has all my movies, videos, pictures, and music hooked up to my living room TV and surround sound that can directly stream any content I downlaoded from the PC in my room.
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
3232
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:46:00 -
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bumping this because of the rage train
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Dheez
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:49:00 -
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Read about "Give us Respec" in the past, When isGǪ. "Give us Refund" starting. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
3183
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:50:00 -
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I have to admit, I agree with ya.
Too many restrictions for posting patches through sony.
Maybe we will get lucky and ps4 this bitech.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
409
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:51:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I think this comes off the back of the WoD cancellation as well.
CCP sat down, looked at their assets and their financial losses in 2013 and said... Look.. we need to refocus our vision and collapse our assets to a more manageable situation.
That situation is New Eden on the PC. Anything outside of New Eden on the PC should be looked at as icing on the cake, ancillary products outside of their normal scope.
Given the situation of Eve: Valkyrie on PS4 with Morpheus I think we can expect to eventually see a PS4 port for Legion as well. However, getting a test server set up and getting a working product on the PC has to be the first priority if this is truly their vision.
I understand that ..... but still the way they went about this is completely and utterly WRONG ! And I say this as an Eve Player with fairly powerful Gaming PC . This is the effect of ripping a bandage off a raw wound and completely rude to the entire community . This is especially true with the entire deceptive nature they took with the lead up .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Space Marine One
Rebels New Republic
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
17
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:54:00 -
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lol cmon now that just false advertisement
this is about 2x weaker than the ps4. and don't think it would even run legion properly at low setting. and
$459 for pc just to play legion lol not wroth it. a better deal is to get a PS4 and got for Black light retribution or planet side 2 |
Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
2035
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:01:00 -
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Space Marine One wrote:lol cmon now that just false advertisement this is about 2x weaker than the ps4. and don't think it would even run legion properly at low setting. and $459 for pc just to play legion lol not wroth it. a better deal is to get a PS4 and got for Black light retribution or planet side 2
Ok first of all we don't even know the system requirements of Legion yet, so to say if X or Y would even run it at low setting is a moot point.
Second of all, unlike a console a PC is able to do a whole lot more than just play one game. You have infinitely more games at your disposal to play on a PC and with better quality.
Not only that, PC allows modding for games. I know I'm talking to a forum full of consolites here, but if you've never played a modded Skyrim, you're seriously missing out on what games like those are meant for. Who's to say CCP won't eventually allow us to implement our own dropsuit skins, corp logos, etc when Legion is finally rolled out? You wouldn't be able to get that type of customization on a PS4.
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Chesyre Armundsen
Thanes Of Dust
496
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:02:00 -
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I respect that we can't get all the depth that we've been asking for on the PS3 and i'll make the switch to PC when the time comes, but that doesn't change the fact that lots of people here (including myself) are a bit put off.
But then how do you make an earlier announcement without having your player base jump ship? CCP... are you breaking up with me?!? o_O
Meh... it's a game. We'll all heal and move on when the time comes
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Spark Kincade
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:02:00 -
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Space Marine One wrote:lol cmon now that just false advertisement this is about 2x weaker than the ps4. and don't think it would even run legion properly at low setting. and $459 for pc just to play legion lol not wroth it. a better deal is to get a PS4 and got for Black light retribution or planet side 2
This is a way better article:
Gamespot: Can We Build a Gaming PC on a Console Budget?
Then go to Reddit Software Swap and get Windows 8 for ~$20. You can get a PC that outperforms the PS4 for ~$500. When the PS3 cam out you needed to spend like $1500 on a PC to match it, times have changed. |
Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
949
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:04:00 -
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essential:
- Bad for console Gamers
- Good for the future of EVE FPS
What is really most upsetting is that in the past two days we literally got zero information on DUST and what to expect in DUST for the next year... A 30 minute Keynote that is title DUST 514 Keynote and then process to talk the entire time about a new game on the PC. I am all for launching this new and improved DUST on the PC to fulfill the vision, but at least talk about DUST in the DUST Key note, ffs.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
123
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:05:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I think this comes off the back of the WoD cancellation as well.
CCP sat down, looked at their assets and their financial losses in 2013 and said... Look.. we need to refocus our vision and collapse our assets to a more manageable situation.
That situation is New Eden on the PC. Anything outside of New Eden on the PC should be looked at as icing on the cake, ancillary products outside of their normal scope.
Given the situation of Eve: Valkyrie on PS4 with Morpheus I think we can expect to eventually see a PS4 port for Legion as well. However, getting a test server set up and getting a working product on the PC has to be the first priority if this is truly their vision. I understand that ..... but still the way they went about this is completely and utterly WRONG ! And I say this as an Eve Player with fairly powerful Gaming PC . This is the effect of ripping a bandage off a raw wound and completely rude to the entire community . This is especially true with the entire deceptive nature they took with the lead up .
This is probably the best description of why people are mad.
I don't think it's the fact the Legion is a possibility (remember, prototype), it's the fact that everything leading into fanfest was "the next evolution of Dust" and what we got was, The next evolution is......... not..... Dust.
It's Legion
They HAD to know this would be a problem. Then again.... $60 Monocles
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
521
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:14:00 -
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there will be much better games for me to play on PC than another dust beta with a different name. there's way too many good shooters on PC to even care about weathering another beta. world war 2 online and planetside2. world war 2 online is the top of the food chain of FPS and has been around since 1999. it's like arma except it supports hundreds of players, much more than arma. then there's arma and all kinds of awesome mods for it. just need to finally fix my PC. too many good games on PC to even care about legion.
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
2035
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:15:00 -
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To me it seems like the community doesn't really know what it wants, it's just angry that it's something they didn't expect.
So you want DUST to have PvE, player market, etc, but most of these things couldn't really be fully fleshed out in a meaningful way on the PS3, so what do we do?
Port to the PS4? Ok? Most of us, including me, don't have a PS4. Those of us that don't would then have to drop $400 on a PS4 to get one, and that's only if we just want to play DUST (ONE GAME). You could go and get a PC for almost the same price?
And say we stuck with the PS4, we're still stuck with CCP having to do everything through Sony which already creates a lot of limitations. With the PC, instead of "monthly" iterations, we could have weekly if not daily bugfixes and tweaks so we don't have to deal with OP nonsense for months before it gets fixed in a proper patch.
Yes, the community deserves to be angry (I guess... come on, it's a ******* video game) because they didn't really give us anything prior to dropping this bomb on us, but I honestly don't see how else they could've done it. Here's to hoping our characters will transfer at least.
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Kelestia Colvolian
Commando clan
2
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:21:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:
Not only that, PC allows modding for games. I know I'm talking to a forum full of consolites here, but if you've never played a modded Skyrim, you're seriously missing out on what games like those are meant for. Who's to say CCP won't eventually allow us to implement our own dropsuit skins, corp logos, etc when Legion is finally rolled out? You wouldn't be able to get that type of customization on a PS4.
Oh, get real! CCP won't allow you to even touch the source code for their games. In EVE, even running macros, let alone modding the client is a bannable offence. Not in a million years will they let you mod Legion!! |
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