DUST Search - In line with the hate on DNS, has it occured to CCP...

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

P14GU3 wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

P14GU3 wrote:

I really doubt that if CCP doesn't remove PC isk that this game is going to flop. They have way bigger things to worry about.

As someone said earlier, this kind f thing has happened many times in EvE. CCP has never taken the isk back, they fix the problem and move on.

DNS will crumble from inside, or someone(s) will step up to smack them down. Remember EoN? They had a boatload of isk too..

When was isk simply handed out in Eve? Yes, people make boatloads of money in Eve, however there is more risk to it than there is in Dust.

AFAIK, Eve has never had 100% free Isk, yet here it is in Dust.

We have this thing called google now. You should try it.

http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/12/15/eve-evolved-three-exploitable-game-features/

Really, I read through all of that and still no proof of a similar situation in Eve.

In PC, you seize a District and accumulate clones from nothing. These clones accumulate to a limit and then are "autosold" into ether, leaving behind little more than a tick in the corp wallet.

When in the history of Eve has it been: Anchor tower, reach limit, watch corp wallet inflate?

AFAIK, this has NEVER happened. This is why the PC Isk needs to go.

Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?

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D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1872	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:22:00 - [1] - Quote that once PC opens up and the entire eve universe is availible to play in... that with molden heath as a home base DNS will literally be able to just take the whole freaking universe. [b]unless, there is a PC reset at that time freeing all disstricts, and limiting the amount of corp funds that can be spent in PC.[b] if PC isnt reset, when the rest of the universe opens up, then no one will have anything, and the game will lose what little purpose it had.. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3688	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:24:00 - [2] - Quote I've said this in war room and got a reply from a few DNS members of pretty much "We just don't want to take over anything past Molden heath" No more regions should be opened up until things are fixed. it is not a good mechanic when some can say "We can easily break the game, but will just give you our word that we won't, I promise" They are not going to open up more regions because molden heath is being used as a testing ground and so far it has failed. Sir Hadah for CPM
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 73	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:25:00 - [3] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: that once PC opens up and the entire eve universe is availible to play in... that with molden heath as a home base DNS will literally be able to just take the whole freaking universe. [b]unless, there is a PC reset at that time freeing all disstricts, and limiting the amount of corp funds that can be spent in PC.[b] if PC isnt reset, when the rest of the universe opens up, then no one will have anything, and the game will lose what little purpose it had.. They are just going to open it up at euro timers again and you will see the rebirth of Chronos. Speculation!
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 780	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:25:00 - [4] - Quote Just let DNS fall when their leaders get to greedy, its just a natural cycle. Im pretty sure it happened in eve and the outcome was the same as i described. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 629	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:44:00 - [5] - Quote Why would they open up the rest of the eve universe? There wasnt even enough corps participating in PC before the big blue donut... What it comes down to is, passive isk HAS to be removed. Then, CCP has to find a way to make people fight. As it stands you make absolutely no isk unless you hold a district for at least a couple of days. This has to change. The problem that CCP created was, it was a bigger benefit to these corps to just blue up instead of keep fighting. There needs to be more of an incentive to fight. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 928	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:46:00 - [6] - Quote CCP has confirmed that PC 2.0 will be very different from what we currently have. And yes, it will be in a different region than Molden Heath. *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 629	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:50:00 - [7] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: CCP has confirmed that PC 2.0 will be very different from what we currently have. And yes, it will be in a different region than Molden Heath. Link? Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2938	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:55:00 - [8] - Quote Does it matter? They allready got so much isk from it that they could flood the complete universe with clone packs on the initial landgrab. And even then they probs would just take everything by force with the elite playerbase. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 106	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:03:00 - [9] - Quote Will CCP do it? under the authority of "EULA". Can / Will they risk alienating more of the already dwindling player base.
Sourdough Muffins Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 291	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:04:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Does it matter? They allready got so much isk from it that they could flood the complete universe with clone packs on the initial landgrab. And even then they probs would just take everything by force with the elite playerbase. Complete asset deletion would fix that. Keep everyone's SP the same but delete all ISK, all suits, ect that could negatively affect the game. Especially, if they plan on linking the economy to EVE online. Doing it as is would crash EVE's and pretty much kill their only money maker(EVE).

Christiphoros von Poe Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 347	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:11:00 - [11] - Quote Sourdough Muffins wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Does it matter? They allready got so much isk from it that they could flood the complete universe with clone packs on the initial landgrab. And even then they probs would just take everything by force with the elite playerbase. Complete asset deletion would fix that. Keep everyone's SP the same but delete all ISK, all suits, ect that could negatively affect the game. Especially, if they plan on linking the economy to EVE online. Doing it as is would crash EVE's and pretty much kill their only money maker(EVE). Why do you say it will crash EVE's economy? Eve players amass tons of ISK. I'm sure one EVE player can accumulate as much ISK as DNS has. Edit: Dust side DNS ISK. (1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus Uprising->Replication->E3->Codex->Chromosome->Uprising->???
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7453	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:14:00 - [12] - Quote Sourdough Muffins wrote: Complete asset deletion would fix that. Keep everyone's SP the same but delete all ISK, all suits, ect that could negatively affect the game. Especially, if they plan on linking the economy to EVE online. Doing it as is would crash EVE's and pretty much kill their only money maker(EVE). So basically punish all of the people who were wise and budgeted their ISK because of players in PC who obtained ISK b/c of the community's refusal to do anything about it? Seems legit. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 526	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:31:00 - [13] - Quote CCP will NEVER police PC. NEVER. While still limited when compared to EVE, Dust is a sandbox, controlled by the players. As long as DNS doesn't break the EULA, CCP will not take action against them. It is up to the player base to crush DNS, or the more likely scenario of DNS crumbling from within. Over the past 11 years there have been many large Powerblocks holding massive territory and ISK on the EVE side and they all fell apart with time. DNS's end will also come. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 75	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:06:00 - [14] - Quote Sourdough Muffins wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Does it matter? They allready got so much isk from it that they could flood the complete universe with clone packs on the initial landgrab. And even then they probs would just take everything by force with the elite playerbase. Complete asset deletion would fix that. Keep everyone's SP the same but delete all ISK, all suits, ect that could negatively affect the game. Especially, if they plan on linking the economy to EVE online. Doing it as is would crash EVE's and pretty much kill their only money maker(EVE). Nope, if you are going to reset ISK, you have to reset SP too. WAH SOMEBODY ELSE MADE ALL DAH ISKIES, RESET! And to think that dust ISK would crash the eve economy is laughable. People NOT in the top 1% of eve have more money than the entire dust economy.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4472	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: CCP will NEVER police PC. NEVER. While still limited when compared to EVE, Dust is a sandbox, controlled by the players. As long as DNS doesn't break the EULA, CCP will not take action against them. It is up to the player base to crush DNS, or the more likely scenario of DNS crumbling from within. Over the past 11 years there have been many large Powerblocks holding massive territory and ISK on the EVE side and they all fell apart with time. DNS's end will also come. So few realize this. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 580	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:17:00 - [16] - Quote Reset MH we'll just take it over Agian teehee
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1162	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:18:00 - [17] - Quote Unless eve pilots can invest in dust corps
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2440	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:21:00 - [18] - Quote ccp has said pc 2.0 is nothing like pc 1.0 and we will see in a few days. Also if you could hold districts now you would. Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1402	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:22:00 - [19] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Why would they open up the rest of the eve universe? There wasnt even enough corps participating in PC before the big blue donut... What it comes down to is, passive isk HAS to be removed. Then, CCP has to find a way to make people fight. As it stands you make absolutely no isk unless you hold a district for at least a couple of days. This has to change. The problem that CCP created was, it was a bigger benefit to these corps to just blue up instead of keep fighting. There needs to be more of an incentive to fight. Corp battles Crush them
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1951	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:24:00 - [20] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: CCP will NEVER police PC. NEVER. While still limited when compared to EVE, Dust is a sandbox, controlled by the players. As long as DNS doesn't break the EULA, CCP will not take action against them. It is up to the player base to crush DNS, or the more likely scenario of DNS crumbling from within. Over the past 11 years there have been many large Powerblocks holding massive territory and ISK on the EVE side and they all fell apart with time. DNS's end will also come. So few realize this. Fixing their ** up =/= policing PC. It was CCP's bright idea to include "poof, isk from nowhere" the players simply utilized a mechanic they all knew was broke as ** "because we can". If CCP doesn't clean up the mess they made with PC 1.0, they'll lose what little playerbase they have (outside the circlejerk) with no hope of retaining new players. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber

P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 638	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:36:00 - [21] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: CCP will NEVER police PC. NEVER. While still limited when compared to EVE, Dust is a sandbox, controlled by the players. As long as DNS doesn't break the EULA, CCP will not take action against them. It is up to the player base to crush DNS, or the more likely scenario of DNS crumbling from within. Over the past 11 years there have been many large Powerblocks holding massive territory and ISK on the EVE side and they all fell apart with time. DNS's end will also come. So few realize this. Fixing their ** up =/= policing PC. It was CCP's bright idea to include "poof, isk from nowhere" the players simply utilized a mechanic they all knew was broke as ** "because we can". If CCP doesn't clean up the mess they made with PC 1.0, they'll lose what little playerbase they have (outside the circlejerk) with no hope of retaining new players. The sky is falling, all hope is lost. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 326	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:54:00 - [22] - Quote I wish CCP would integrate EVE with DUST a bit more. I was told by a commander in a very powerful EVE (FA), that EVE pilots hate helping us. He said they see no benefit in providing assistance. If EVE players gained something by helping DUST players, it'd be easier to find EVE support. As of now, it sucks to have no chance of fighting an orbital being shot at you as soon as you deploy in PC, because there are not enough EVE players (alliances) that want to help.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1951	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:59:00 - [23] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: CCP will NEVER police PC. NEVER. While still limited when compared to EVE, Dust is a sandbox, controlled by the players. As long as DNS doesn't break the EULA, CCP will not take action against them. It is up to the player base to crush DNS, or the more likely scenario of DNS crumbling from within. Over the past 11 years there have been many large Powerblocks holding massive territory and ISK on the EVE side and they all fell apart with time. DNS's end will also come. So few realize this. Fixing their ** up =/= policing PC. It was CCP's bright idea to include "poof, isk from nowhere" the players simply utilized a mechanic they all knew was broke as ** "because we can". If CCP doesn't clean up the mess they made with PC 1.0, they'll lose what little playerbase they have (outside the circlejerk) with no hope of retaining new players. The sky is falling, all hope is lost. Go ahead, compare me to chicken little. Will you have fun when all of the servers are as dead as Oceania? Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Big Burns Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 143	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:00:00 - [24] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: that once PC opens up and the entire eve universe is availible to play in... that with molden heath as a home base DNS will literally be able to just take the whole freaking universe. [b]unless, there is a PC reset at that time freeing all disstricts, and limiting the amount of corp funds that can be spent in PC.[b] if PC isnt reset, when the rest of the universe opens up, then no one will have anything, and the game will lose what little purpose it had.. There is nothing anyone can do to stop this force. The only thing to do is break up the corps through manipulation/psychology, even then, NS, AE, FA, and DDB, would only slow down ERA/TP. These players are such a tremendous accolade, that the only thing weighing them down is their lack of a large player base amongst their ranks. But even now, they have new guys that aren't looking to leave anytime soon. I'm not referring to myself, in any manner, rather the core which consists of Legends, such as ReGnYuM, Aldin, etc. Possibly the best around.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 638	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:11:00 - [25] - Quote I really doubt that if CCP doesn't remove PC isk that this game is going to flop. They have way bigger things to worry about. As someone said earlier, this kind f thing has happened many times in EvE. CCP has never taken the isk back, they fix the problem and move on. DNS will crumble from inside, or someone(s) will step up to smack them down. Remember EoN? They had a boatload of isk too.. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1951	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:15:00 - [26] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: I really doubt that if CCP doesn't remove PC isk that this game is going to flop. They have way bigger things to worry about. As someone said earlier, this kind f thing has happened many times in EvE. CCP has never taken the isk back, they fix the problem and move on. DNS will crumble from inside, or someone(s) will step up to smack them down. Remember EoN? They had a boatload of isk too.. When was isk simply handed out in Eve? Yes, people make boatloads of money in Eve, however there is more risk to it than there is in Dust. AFAIK, Eve has never had 100% free Isk, yet here it is in Dust. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 639	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:21:00 - [27] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: P14GU3 wrote: I really doubt that if CCP doesn't remove PC isk that this game is going to flop. They have way bigger things to worry about. As someone said earlier, this kind f thing has happened many times in EvE. CCP has never taken the isk back, they fix the problem and move on. DNS will crumble from inside, or someone(s) will step up to smack them down. Remember EoN? They had a boatload of isk too.. When was isk simply handed out in Eve? Yes, people make boatloads of money in Eve, however there is more risk to it than there is in Dust. AFAIK, Eve has never had 100% free Isk, yet here it is in Dust. We have this thing called google now. You should try it. http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/12/15/eve-evolved-three-exploitable-game-features/ Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Necandi Brasil 894	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:28:00 - [28] - Quote Military doctrine is not a CCP thing... but let's just point out two major flaws of this MH scenario. 1) The attacking force must have a numerical advantage of at least 3x1 to secure a victory (This manpower ratio can be Shifted due to Technology,morale, training, etc.). In a heavvy entreched position.. you will need at least 5x1 ratio -> We can't stack clones to attack a district... 2) Attack when the enemy is LEAST prepared... -> Right now the district holder can just choose when to fight That forces us to play with the SAME OR MORE training, technology, morale, etc... This results in a Select few able to fight (V) (°,,,,°) (V)
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1952	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:34:00 - [29] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: P14GU3 wrote: I really doubt that if CCP doesn't remove PC isk that this game is going to flop. They have way bigger things to worry about. As someone said earlier, this kind f thing has happened many times in EvE. CCP has never taken the isk back, they fix the problem and move on. DNS will crumble from inside, or someone(s) will step up to smack them down. Remember EoN? They had a boatload of isk too.. When was isk simply handed out in Eve? Yes, people make boatloads of money in Eve, however there is more risk to it than there is in Dust. AFAIK, Eve has never had 100% free Isk, yet here it is in Dust. We have this thing called google now. You should try it. http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/12/15/eve-evolved-three-exploitable-game-features/ Really, I read through all of that and still no proof of a similar situation in Eve. In PC, you seize a District and accumulate clones from nothing. These clones accumulate to a limit and then are "autosold" into ether, leaving behind little more than a tick in the corp wallet. When in the history of Eve has it been: Anchor tower, reach limit, watch corp wallet inflate? AFAIK, this has NEVER happened. This is why the PC Isk needs to go. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 642	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:08:00 - [30] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: P14GU3 wrote: I really doubt that if CCP doesn't remove PC isk that this game is going to flop. They have way bigger things to worry about. As someone said earlier, this kind f thing has happened many times in EvE. CCP has never taken the isk back, they fix the problem and move on. DNS will crumble from inside, or someone(s) will step up to smack them down. Remember EoN? They had a boatload of isk too.. When was isk simply handed out in Eve? Yes, people make boatloads of money in Eve, however there is more risk to it than there is in Dust. AFAIK, Eve has never had 100% free Isk, yet here it is in Dust. We have this thing called google now. You should try it. http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2013/12/15/eve-evolved-three-exploitable-game-features/ Really, I read through all of that and still no proof of a similar situation in Eve. In PC, you seize a District and accumulate clones from nothing. These clones accumulate to a limit and then are "autosold" into ether, leaving behind little more than a tick in the corp wallet. When in the history of Eve has it been: Anchor tower, reach limit, watch corp wallet inflate? AFAIK, this has NEVER happened. This is why the PC Isk needs to go. "Most cases of abusing features for profit or advantage aren't as clear-cut as these obvious exploits, as some have negative consequences but still use completely legitimate game mechanics. When players figured out how to abuse Faction Warfare's kill LP rewards to farm five trillion ISK, for example, they did so using in-game mechanics that just hadn't really been thought through." Its one of the first paragraphs. How do you miss that? Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?



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