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Sensor Recalibration Delay
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The sensor recalibration delay is a delay after decloaking in which you cannot target-lock anything. The time varies with ships and types of cloak, and is affected by your skill level in Cloaking. This penalty is what is reduced by faction and officer versions of cloaking devices. The table on page 10 shows all sensor recalibration delays, again I forgot to include Blockade Runners - they have the same delay as Force Recon ships.
This penalty is probably one of the biggest things to know about being cloaked - you cannot decloak and immediately point someone, unless you fly the right ship. There will always be a delay while your sensors are recalibrating until you can start to target-lock your target. As an example, remember you need your Cloaking skill at level four to fit a CovOps cloak. So in your covert ops frigate, force recon or cloaky Tech 3, you will have a sensor recalibration delay time of 6 seconds. You can decrease that by one second, to a 5 second delay if you train Cloaking to level five. That one second can make a difference between catching your target, and missing it.

I would like to see a delay after decloaking in Dust!! And if you train long and hard enough and can afford the suit you can reduce it to the point where you can decloaking and insta kill

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Sensor Recalibration Delay
(page 10)
The sensor recalibration delay is a delay after decloaking in which you cannot target-lock anything. The time varies with ships and types of cloak, and is affected by your skill level in Cloaking. This penalty is what is reduced by faction and officer versions of cloaking devices. The table on page 10 shows all sensor recalibration delays, again I forgot to include Blockade Runners - they have the same delay as Force Recon ships.
This penalty is probably one of the biggest things to know about being cloaked - you cannot decloak and immediately point someone, unless you fly the right ship. There will always be a delay while your sensors are recalibrating until you can start to target-lock your target. As an example, remember you need your Cloaking skill at level four to fit a CovOps cloak. So in your covert ops frigate, force recon or cloaky Tech 3, you will have a sensor recalibration delay time of 6 seconds. You can decrease that by one second, to a 5 second delay if you train Cloaking to level five. That one second can make a difference between catching your target, and missing it.

I would like to see a delay after decloaking in Dust!! And if you train long and hard enough and can afford the suit you can reduce it to the point where you can decloaking and insta kill

Stealth bombers get a 100% reduction to targeting delay after decloaking.

If we're making direct comparisons, every other suit that fits a cloak should get a delay, not the scout.

QED

scout is for...scouting

personally I would change the cloak b:

1. changing and lower dampening across tiers. if you want to be invisible to the radar FIT DAMPS, e.g.
STD. 10%
ADV: 12.5%
PROTO: 15%

2. add a penatly to scan precision.

done....

Getting hit with Waapons fire, Splash Damage, Flux, should negate the cloak field.

Also, Please get rid of that "Sprint cancel & Crawl effect" whenever a running scout gets hit.

It takes around 1.5 secs to become fully visible after decloaking. That's how long the firing delay should be.

Stealth bombers get a 100% reduction to targeting delay after decloaking.

If we're making direct comparisons, every other suit that fits a cloak should get a delay, not the scout.

QED

I think this is the issue at hand. Everyone seems to forget - pressing R1 has a little animation where press your omni-tool thing again and decloak, and iirc you can't switch out until the Animation plays out (has got me killed a few times).

I bet not one scout will say this is their decloaking method - why? Because you can just press your switch weapon button which pulls your gun out instantly. The fact that you at technically be cloaked when you fire that weapon is not even half the reason you would do this really (though from a victims perspective it makes sense, that they would QQ about that aspect).

Considering the cloak was pre-nerfed, with the intention of never firing from cloak, something tells me that the little animation was suppose to play any time you decloak.

People keep coming up with ways to 'rebalance' cloaks, but that simple glitch fix would seriously stem the flood of tears.

scout is for...scouting

Actually this being an FPS everything is for ..... killing and WP's

Okay, then let me cloak forever and be actually 100% invisible, even while moving, albeit at reduced speed. That's how it is in EVE.

I think this is the issue at hand. Everyone seems to forget - pressing R1 has a little animation where press your omni-tool thing again and decloak, and iirc you can't switch out until the Animation plays out (has got me killed a few times).

I bet not one scout will say this is their decloaking method - why? Because you can just press your switch weapon button which pulls your gun out instantly. The fact that you at technically be cloaked when you fire that weapon is not even half the reason you would do this really (though from a victims perspective it makes sense, that they would QQ about that aspect).

Considering the cloak was pre-nerfed, with the intention of never firing from cloak, something tells me that the little animation was suppose to play any time you decloak.

People keep coming up with ways to 'rebalance' cloaks, but that simple glitch fix would seriously stem the flood of tears.

You can just press R2 and skip the whole animation, you don't have to go through it.

MUCH reduced speed, 90% less.

Right, with scouts receiving a role bonus that allows them to move at full speed while cloaked, to mirror CovOps cloaks.

They're also extremely fragile, paper thin.
It's like a 10:1 ratio when compared to their own frigate brethren.

If the average assault has 600 HP, then the average scout would have 60HP.

You can just press R2 and skip the whole animation, you don't have to go through it.

They're really not that much more fragile than normal frigs, you're exaggerating quite a bit. Noticeably, but nowhere near 10:1. Also, part of that is that stealth bombers mount far out-of-class weapons. Give me a ~100EHP heavy weapon scout, I'll take that trade.

Did you even read the post?

Scouts should basically be nerfed into a support/intelligence class. They would be invaluable as a squad asset in this role. Scout is just a different flavor of killing and should basically more of a specialized suit. The basic light suit should become the light assault the scout suit plays as.

Actually I'm not, a stealth frig tends to have 1,400 eHP.
I have seen T2 assault frigates with 10k eHP.

Now, the heavy weapon comparison would work if the heavy weapon had much difficulty hitting lighter suits.

If battleships or capitals could apply their full DPS to small targets solo, EVE's balance would shatter.

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Sensor Recalibration Delay
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The sensor recalibration delay is a delay after decloaking in which you cannot target-lock anything. The time varies with ships and types of cloak, and is affected by your skill level in Cloaking. This penalty is what is reduced by faction and officer versions of cloaking devices. The table on page 10 shows all sensor recalibration delays, again I forgot to include Blockade Runners - they have the same delay as Force Recon ships.
This penalty is probably one of the biggest things to know about being cloaked - you cannot decloak and immediately point someone, unless you fly the right ship. There will always be a delay while your sensors are recalibrating until you can start to target-lock your target. As an example, remember you need your Cloaking skill at level four to fit a CovOps cloak. So in your covert ops frigate, force recon or cloaky Tech 3, you will have a sensor recalibration delay time of 6 seconds. You can decrease that by one second, to a 5 second delay if you train Cloaking to level five. That one second can make a difference between catching your target, and missing it.

I would like to see a delay after decloaking in Dust!! And if you train long and hard enough and can afford the suit you can reduce it to the point where you can decloaking and insta kill

The reason why large guns in Eve have a hard time hitting small targets (especially up close) is that the turrets tracking speed, target ship's transversal, and the signature radius of the target ship are factored in. This is why major fleets always have frigates in their battleship fleets so that their small frigate gang can deal with tacklers and jammers while the large ships deal with bigger ships at range. There is also the fact that the turrets in Eve are controlled by a computer while the gun on a dropsuit is controlled manually.

But fluxes would destroy shield tankers.....and that doesn't pose well for Cal and Min scouts....you'll basically be advocating for more Gal scouts...which isn't good.

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Sensor Recalibration Delay
(page 10)
The sensor recalibration delay is a delay after decloaking in which you cannot target-lock anything. The time varies with ships and types of cloak, and is affected by your skill level in Cloaking. This penalty is what is reduced by faction and officer versions of cloaking devices. The table on page 10 shows all sensor recalibration delays, again I forgot to include Blockade Runners - they have the same delay as Force Recon ships.
This penalty is probably one of the biggest things to know about being cloaked - you cannot decloak and immediately point someone, unless you fly the right ship. There will always be a delay while your sensors are recalibrating until you can start to target-lock your target. As an example, remember you need your Cloaking skill at level four to fit a CovOps cloak. So in your covert ops frigate, force recon or cloaky Tech 3, you will have a sensor recalibration delay time of 6 seconds. You can decrease that by one second, to a 5 second delay if you train Cloaking to level five. That one second can make a difference between catching your target, and missing it.

I would like to see a delay after decloaking in Dust!! And if you train long and hard enough and can afford the suit you can reduce it to the point where you can decloaking and insta kill

I'm entirely aware of that, though in this case we were talking about Stealth Bomber Torps, so tracking and transversal don't come into the picture. As long as the small ships aren't simply sitting still, weapons like torps and cruise missiles might as well be spitballs- a Merlin on a Day 1 capsuleer will walk all over any Stealth Bomber in a slugging match. You write your post as though it somehow contradicts my point... if large guns had the ability to track and hit a tackler orbiting at 500m, EVE would be a much worse, much less interesting game.

This manual control is what presents a problem with the balancing of high DPS weapons on slow, high-EHP suits.

Stealth bombers get a 100% reduction to targeting delay after decloaking.

If we're making direct comparisons, every other suit that fits a cloak should get a delay, not the scout.

QED

I wanted to address this:

How much HP can a stealth bomber have? (2 k eHP maybe, this is nothing in eve)

How effective is a bomber versus frigates? (not even a little bit effective, torps suck vs frigates)

Does even the stealth bomber have a reactivation delay? (15 seconds w/ max skills)

Can a stealth bomber fire while cloaked? (nope)

Can a stealth bomber even target a ship while cloaked? (nope)

Upon decloaking does everyone on the grid see a stealth bombers? (yep)

If within a certain range of enemies, wrecks, friendlies, various objects in space does the cloak work? (nope)

Oh.... well I guess the stealth bomber analogy isn't very good is it? (nope)

That is a pretty ****-poor line of reasoning. Stealth bombers have nearly nothing in common with scouts, in design, form or function.

The cloaks do though, they allow you to have greater positioning and stealth, but in dust they are so much more than that.

They are perhaps the very greatest single infantry tool for assaulting and they are free-non-stacking-penalized complex dampeners.

Remove the free dampening (cloaks are for visual concealment, they shouldn't be for electronic concealment) and introduce a firing delay post decloak. Do this and then scouts will be scouts again, instead of invisible assaults.

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Sensor Recalibration Delay
(page 10)
The sensor recalibration delay is a delay after decloaking in which you cannot target-lock anything. The time varies with ships and types of cloak, and is affected by your skill level in Cloaking. This penalty is what is reduced by faction and officer versions of cloaking devices. The table on page 10 shows all sensor recalibration delays, again I forgot to include Blockade Runners - they have the same delay as Force Recon ships.
This penalty is probably one of the biggest things to know about being cloaked - you cannot decloak and immediately point someone, unless you fly the right ship. There will always be a delay while your sensors are recalibrating until you can start to target-lock your target. As an example, remember you need your Cloaking skill at level four to fit a CovOps cloak. So in your covert ops frigate, force recon or cloaky Tech 3, you will have a sensor recalibration delay time of 6 seconds. You can decrease that by one second, to a 5 second delay if you train Cloaking to level five. That one second can make a difference between catching your target, and missing it.

I would like to see a delay after decloaking in Dust!! And if you train long and hard enough and can afford the suit you can reduce it to the point where you can decloaking and insta kill

Remove the free dampening (cloaks are for visual concealment, they shouldn't be for electronic concealment) and introduce a firing delay post decloak. Do this and then scouts will be scouts again, instead of invisible assaults.

If they want scouts scouting, they need to make a lot of changes.

I would turn cloaks into an escape tool. Invisibility while standing becomes standard for all movement. You would be hard to see even while moving . Damp bonus included. De-Cloak and Cloak animation would last for 3 seconds. This prevents scouts from abusing its invisibility to insta kill targets (Harder to do though, see slot changes). Skill for cloak reduces time for de-cloaking by 5%. At proto, this shaves off 3/4 of a second off de-cloak and cloaking. This reduces total time to cloak, and then de-cloak by 1.5 seconds. A worthy investment, yet not game breaking.

How the cloak would work: You can't switch out of it. To de-cloak, you press the button. The merc touches the button, and you go through the animation (You can sprint while doing so). It slowly de-cloaks you, and you become more and more visible as it goes along. After it decloaks (Or cloaks), it makes the sound, and you are free to switch to a weapon.

Slot layout becomes no grenade, two sidearm slots.

Share passive scans with the team, and LOS scans with the squad.

WP for passive scan kills. LOS scan will be left alone, as they would mainly be used to let the squad know where people are moving.


How I would run my Scout MK.0 with this build.

2x Complex Shield, 1x Complex Precision

Nova Knives
Six Kin SMG

Pro Cloak
PRO Quantum Scanner

Complex Damp
Complex Speed
Complex Range Extender

Most of my time would be spent using my passive dampening to wander behind enemy lines, assassinating lone targets and hacking points. My scans would reveal if people came to hunt me, I would cloak and use my speed to retreat. Scanner would be used to light up targets I see moving out of my area, so that my squad would know where they are once they leave my range.

Just my take on this. If you want people to scout, they need both the equipment and incentive to do it. Shared passive scans with the team, along with WP for doing so, would encourage scouts to hang around hot spots and scan for the team. LOS isn't shared, because it isn't put into the tacnet system. I see LOS scanning as talking to your squad, and informing them of what you see. Only hard data gets sent to the team.

So that assaults won't be left in the Dust WP wise, I would also say that they need to get extra WP every time they get a kill within a certain radius of an objective. Only Heavies and Assaults get this. They would then be encourage to attack letters, and rewarded for doing so. WP's need for Orbitals would also be increased.

Sorry for the long post. Was on a roll.

EDIT: Changed my fit because previous fit was impossible. Damn PG on the Min Scout.

I'm not sure even perfect concealment would make up for all the potential problems that could cause for suits lacking low slots.

I consider it an active dampener. A more tactical way of applying the old bonus which was always passive.

Edit: As for the firing delay - the R1 animation is right there - it just needs to applied whenever you do anything that will decloak you.

Weapon switching basically undermines the principle that you should be at an advantage if you spot the cloaker first.

personally I would change the cloak b:

1. changing and lower dampening across tiers. if you want to be invisible to the radar FIT DAMPS, e.g.
STD. 10%
ADV: 12.5%
PROTO: 15%

2. add a penatly to scan precision.

done....

Okay, then let me cloak forever and be actually 100% invisible, even while moving, albeit at reduced speed. That's how it is in EVE.

This was cut from EVE's wiki

Sensor Recalibration Delay
(page 10)
The sensor recalibration delay is a delay after decloaking in which you cannot target-lock anything. The time varies with ships and types of cloak, and is affected by your skill level in Cloaking. This penalty is what is reduced by faction and officer versions of cloaking devices. The table on page 10 shows all sensor recalibration delays, again I forgot to include Blockade Runners - they have the same delay as Force Recon ships.
This penalty is probably one of the biggest things to know about being cloaked - you cannot decloak and immediately point someone, unless you fly the right ship. There will always be a delay while your sensors are recalibrating until you can start to target-lock your target. As an example, remember you need your Cloaking skill at level four to fit a CovOps cloak. So in your covert ops frigate, force recon or cloaky Tech 3, you will have a sensor recalibration delay time of 6 seconds. You can decrease that by one second, to a 5 second delay if you train Cloaking to level five. That one second can make a difference between catching your target, and missing it.

I would like to see a delay after decloaking in Dust!! And if you train long and hard enough and can afford the suit you can reduce it to the point where you can decloaking and insta kill