no ambush fell apart over a year ago when the devs decided to let a forum tell them how to redesign a game mode from a classic TDM into the abomination of a mode we have now.

If milkman is stomping you with his tanks it isn't because tanks are unbalanced in ambush - it's because he's got a lot of SP so his fittings are good, he's reasonably experienced as a tanker (although he's not that good) and he's got a full proto squad backing him up.

If he were sniping, and you couldn't counters nope him because his team killed you first would you QQ?


Most complaints about tanks in ambush these days are from people who don't want to do anything about it. FG is fixed now, go use it.

I repeat: it takes no more than two people ever to kill two ambush tanks: synched breach forge guns will ruin anything. (Yes, STD).


Finally, the issues with milkman's tank are far deeper than simply Ambush, and it's naive and dishonest to think that removing vehicles from ambush fixes anything at all; the reason you're having issues killing him? Armour repairers. That's it. Goes for every game type.


In the end, I've invested 10 of my 40M into vehicles of varying types. If you remove them from ambush I want my SP back. You want to prevent people from playing game modes (and yes, plenty of people are pure tankers)? Give us back out SP, so we can make an informed choice.

If milkman is stomping you with his tanks it isn't because tanks are unbalanced in ambush - it's because he's got a lot of SP so his fittings are good, he's reasonably experienced as a tanker (although he's not that good) and he's got a full proto squad backing him up.

If he were sniping, and you couldn't counters nope him because his team killed you first would you QQ?


Most complaints about tanks in ambush these days are from people who don't want to do anything about it. FG is fixed now, go use it.

I repeat: it takes no more than two people ever to kill two ambush tanks: synched breach forge guns will ruin anything. (Yes, STD).


Finally, the issues with milkman's tank are far deeper than simply Ambush, and it's naive and dishonest to think that removing vehicles from ambush fixes anything at all; the reason you're having issues killing him? Armour repairers. That's it. Goes for every game type.


In the end, I've invested 10 of my 40M into vehicles of varying types. If you remove them from ambush I want my SP back. You want to prevent people from playing game modes (and yes, plenty of people are pure tankers)? Give us back out SP, so we can make an informed choice.

remove all tanks from ambush......limiting the mode to only two tanks, sort of, makes it worse. Because if the enemy has two tanks on the ground and one of your blue dots has a LAV or dropship, etc. You can not call in a tank to help counter their tanks.

PLEASE READ THE POST IN ITS ENTIRETY. THANK YOU!

I know this will be considered extremely unpopular by much of the community, but I'd like to put forth a serious proposal to remove tanks from Ambush (PUBLIC CONTRACTS) completely.

Right now, many people are discussing AV/Tanking imbalances. While that topic is all very well and nice, it is a tough issue, and will probably take several patches to fully resolve. I don't want to either side getting perma-nerfed (being sent back to oblivion), as I do want Dust to be kept a fun and dynamic game.

However, while CCP considers this issue, Ambush, especially pub, itself is falling apart COMPLETELY due to the balancing issues. The fact of the matter is, most pub games are where blueberries go to start, and it's quite disorganized compared to say PC or factional stuff. AV is meant to be a team effort, and careful communication between MIC'ed squad members or tacit agreement between very experienced members is required in order to successfully carry out an AV operation.

The fact of the matter is though, Ambush is rarely organized. It's perhaps the most COD-like mode of all the game modes so far, as it should be heavily about infantry fighting. I don't mind if we had vehicles like LAVs and even the elusive MAVs, but having HAVs roll in and out squashing 5 or so members of a team is utterly destroying the experience for new players, casual players, and serious players attempting to relax.

With the current state of AV, the stunning lack of coordination/ presence of newberries is making it nearly impossible to stop the tankers, especially on the silly bridge maps. It's almost funny that a tank can take up to 25% of an engagement zone at times!

Some will ask "Why not just bring in your own tanks?" Well, for one, when the enemy calls in a Madrugar, and your team calls in a Soma as the first tank on the field, the game is pretty much lost, especially since some rounds have very low ticket counts (50).

So, I would kindly like to ask for tanks to be removed from Ambush (pubs) as a temporary measure.

I think that the Dust needs to just embrace the fact that Ambush is an infantry mode, and stop attempting to straddle too many fronts per game mode. Perhaps, later, we can discuss better ideas once balance comes in, but right now, IMMEDIATE action has to be taken.

Thank you.

We all know we wont get a response and if we DO, its going to be, 'We're looking into it', 'We'll investigate', 'We see no problems with this in our research', etc., etc., etc...

I agree, but for regular ambush only. Leave them in OMS fights.

I have read you whole OP and while it expresses itself quite clearly, I'm going to say no to vehicle removal from Ambush.

It's interesting to note that we are in a game where teamwork is paramount compared to the lone wolf yet people do not work with each other in the game. I sent an email to a logi one time who kept repping my heavy. I sent him a note saying thanks and he replied something along the lines of "hey we are on the same team, its supposed to be that way". Now if only the other hundreds of blues who could recognize this.

Players in Ambush, hell any game mode for that matter, should be working together to take out high priority targets. You don't need an NPE to know that. It should be common sense.

I don't mind the vehicles and enjoy Ambush now that it is limited to two.

What would be good is if they provide different versions of Ambush to play. Maybe they can't do that now with the player count because it might make for less occupied slots in the game modes. But that's my proposal. Everyone can be happy that way.

so theres a problem if the enemy team has a highly skilled tanker witha madrugar/blaster

and iam on yorus with my FULLY SKILLED BLASTER/MISSILE TANKS and kill the opposing vehicles. is there a problem?

Apart from the fact that you sound like a complete apologist for tanks simply because you're enjoying breaking the game at this point with your "10 million SP" of sheer brokeness,

You must understand that ambush is not a vehicle game. If you wanted dynamic tanking and not a complete stomp 90% of the time, go to Domination or one of the other game modes. The fact is, most tankers in ambush enjoy it because they know:

a) Ambush is a concentrated gametype with infantry fighting (hence they'll have an easier time picking off the enemy team while getting support from close friendlies.
b) Many blueberries to easily destroy in Ambush.

It is in my honest opinion that the tankers in Ambush are plain lazy. They are enjoying being overpowered, and don't want to invest time into properly playing the vehicle in a more appropriate gametype.

I never said this was a permanent measure (if you even read my post, which I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU DID), but should be temporarily put in place to alleviate the blueberry tank stomping. Or perhaps you don't care about the longevity of this game.

Yes. This logic pretty much falls through when we have blueberries bringing in Somas or no tankers at all.

PLEASE READ THE POST IN ITS ENTIRETY. THANK YOU!

I know this will be considered extremely unpopular by much of the community, but I'd like to put forth a serious proposal to remove tanks from Ambush (PUBLIC CONTRACTS) completely.

Right now, many people are discussing AV/Tanking imbalances. While that topic is all very well and nice, it is a tough issue, and will probably take several patches to fully resolve. I don't want to either side getting perma-nerfed (being sent back to oblivion), as I do want Dust to be kept a fun and dynamic game.

However, while CCP considers this issue, Ambush, especially pub, itself is falling apart COMPLETELY due to the balancing issues. The fact of the matter is, most pub games are where blueberries go to start, and it's quite disorganized compared to say PC or factional stuff. AV is meant to be a team effort, and careful communication between MIC'ed squad members or tacit agreement between very experienced members is required in order to successfully carry out an AV operation.

The fact of the matter is though, Ambush is rarely organized. It's perhaps the most COD-like mode of all the game modes so far, as it should be heavily about infantry fighting. I don't mind if we had vehicles like LAVs and even the elusive MAVs, but having HAVs roll in and out squashing 5 or so members of a team is utterly destroying the experience for new players, casual players, and serious players attempting to relax.

With the current state of AV, the stunning lack of coordination/ presence of newberries is making it nearly impossible to stop the tankers, especially on the silly bridge maps. It's almost funny that a tank can take up to 25% of an engagement zone at times!

Some will ask "Why not just bring in your own tanks?" Well, for one, when the enemy calls in a Madrugar, and your team calls in a Soma as the first tank on the field, the game is pretty much lost, especially since some rounds have very low ticket counts (50).

So, I would kindly like to ask for tanks to be removed from Ambush (pubs) as a temporary measure.

I think that the Dust needs to just embrace the fact that Ambush is an infantry mode, and stop attempting to straddle too many fronts per game mode. Perhaps, later, we can discuss better ideas once balance comes in, but right now, IMMEDIATE action has to be taken.

Thank you.