DUST Search - A Serious Thought Regarding Ambush

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

If milkman is stomping you with his tanks it isn't because tanks are unbalanced in ambush - it's because he's got a lot of SP so his fittings are good, he's reasonably experienced as a tanker (although he's not that good) and he's got a full proto squad backing him up.

If he were sniping, and you couldn't counters nope him because his team killed you first would you QQ?

Most complaints about tanks in ambush these days are from people who don't want to do anything about it. FG is fixed now, go use it.

I repeat: it takes no more than two people ever to kill two ambush tanks: synched breach forge guns will ruin anything. (Yes, STD).

Finally, the issues with milkman's tank are far deeper than simply Ambush, and it's naive and dishonest to think that removing vehicles from ambush fixes anything at all; the reason you're having issues killing him? Armour repairers. That's it. Goes for every game type.

In the end, I've invested 10 of my 40M into vehicles of varying types. If you remove them from ambush I want my SP back. You want to prevent people from playing game modes (and yes, plenty of people are pure tankers)? Give us back out SP, so we can make an informed choice.


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keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:39:00 - [1] - Quote PLEASE READ THE POST IN ITS ENTIRETY. THANK YOU! I know this will be considered extremely unpopular by much of the community, but I'd like to put forth a serious proposal to remove tanks from Ambush (PUBLIC CONTRACTS) completely. Right now, many people are discussing AV/Tanking imbalances. While that topic is all very well and nice, it is a tough issue, and will probably take several patches to fully resolve. I don't want to either side getting perma-nerfed (being sent back to oblivion), as I do want Dust to be kept a fun and dynamic game. However, while CCP considers this issue, *Ambush, especially pub, itself is falling apart COMPLETELY due to the balancing issues.* The fact of the matter is, most pub games are where blueberries go to start, and it's quite disorganized compared to say PC or factional stuff. AV is meant to be a team effort, and careful communication between MIC'ed squad members or tacit agreement between very experienced members is required in order to successfully carry out an AV operation. The fact of the matter is though, Ambush is rarely organized. It's perhaps the most COD-like mode of all the game modes so far, as it should be heavily about infantry fighting. I don't mind if we had vehicles like LAVs and even the elusive MAVs, but having HAVs roll in and out squashing 5 or so members of a team is utterly destroying the experience for new players, casual players, and serious players attempting to relax. With the current state of AV, the stunning lack of coordination/ presence of newberries is making it nearly impossible to stop the tankers, especially on the silly bridge maps. It's almost funny that a tank can take up to 25% of an engagement zone at times! Some will ask "Why not just bring in your own tanks?" Well, for one, when the enemy calls in a Madrugar, and your team calls in a Soma as the first tank on the field, the game is pretty much lost, especially since some rounds have very low ticket counts (50). So, I would kindly like to ask for tanks to be removed from Ambush (pubs) as a temporary measure. I think that the Dust needs to just embrace the fact that Ambush is an infantry mode, and stop attempting to straddle too many fronts per game mode. Perhaps, later, we can discuss better ideas once balance comes in, but right now, IMMEDIATE action has to be taken. Thank you. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:41:00 - [2] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I agree. Now, lets laugh Here's one to the blueberry who just got squashed by the triple rep maddy! *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:45:00 - [3] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: I third this. Now lets sit back and watch as CCP makes this game worse Well, we don't have much to expect from CCP. So everything's an improvement at best, a change at worst I suppose. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 116	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:51:00 - [4] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: keno trader wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: I third this. Now lets sit back and watch as CCP makes this game worse Well, we don't have much to expect from CCP. So everything's an improvement at best, a change at worst I suppose. At this point(Despite my praises and hopes for this game in the past) I see a failed game. If it improves well then good on ya CCP but as you said, I'm not expecting anything good anymore. No more money out of me for boosters Recently just redeemed a 3 day active that I forgot to redeem a while back. 'Twas like finding a little pot of gold. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 116	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:54:00 - [5] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: CPM/Dev responses seem to be a lot rarer. I wonder if it is a fanfest thing or a CCP Rouge thing. Rumors stating the reasons behind his lack of communication are interesting. Word has it that he hasnt posted yet due to previous people promising much and delivering little @Freed. This. Perhaps it would be nice if they took a look at this post and considered it. That'd be enough in my personal opinion. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 116	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:55:00 - [6] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: freed bird wrote: If we could get CPM response or some dev/team stuff going that would be great! We all know we wont get a response and if we DO, its going to be, 'We're looking into it', 'We'll investigate', 'We see no problems with this in our research', etc., etc., etc... @Parkour, I'm agreeing with you on so much lately. We think quite alike! *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2014.04.24 07:01:00 - [7] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I saw Milkman call in 6 madrugars in an ambush because 8 PEOPLE ON THE ENEMY TEAM WERE AV and wouldn't let him do anything. If you need HALF of your team to run AV just to prevent ONE tank from stomping your ass, it's proof that vehicles need to just be completely removed from ambush. Instead there should just be a vehicle only game mode (something that bettere resembles ALL of the trailers that CCP has released) where all the tanks can go have fun killing each other in a big open map. Wow that's comically bad. My feelings go out to those people having to face this guy. They could just implement a BF4 style vehicle only. High risk, high reward! Everyone would be happier, except those making great profit out of wrecking the matches right now. They would claim that they are being "neglected". *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2014.04.24 07:02:00 - [8] - Quote Aderek wrote: Hi. Two tanks on ambush is really good & fun. Play with squad. Tank cant enter/go everywhere ;) Comunicate with squad, use RE, AV, ML and tanks run away ;0 Good day. If you dont like tank, change map where tank cant drive. Change map where tank can't drive? Wut? We're talking about Pubs right now. Pub is the CORE of the NPE experience, and we're wrecking it. There are "no squads", just confused noobs and casuals getting their butts kicked. The game won't be sustainable if this continues! *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2014.04.24 07:09:00 - [9] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: keno trader wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: freed bird wrote: If we could get CPM response or some dev/team stuff going that would be great! We all know we wont get a response and if we DO, its going to be, 'We're looking into it', 'We'll investigate', 'We see no problems with this in our research', etc., etc., etc... @Parkour, I'm agreeing with you on so much lately. We think quite alike! Yup. Great minds think a like. Besides they wont listen to me at all after what I found at the planets core after freefalling for 3mins. Quote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Fell through the map for 3 minutes freefalling. Then slammed into the planets core. I found the graves of the FlayLock, and the SCP and shotgun ROF. The Ions and PLC and sniper rifles graves was already dug, but they were empty. That's a semi-good sign. Also found a shovel with the name 'CCP LogiBro' written on it. I saw a grave with the words 'Medium Frames' on it, the grave was huge. Great stuff! Did you see the TURRET SKILL TREE down there by any chance? *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2014.04.24 07:15:00 - [10] - Quote @Adarek...the Academy is a joke and matchmaking is broken. Right now, we're giving blueberries ARs/CRs, letting them play in a playground, and then expecting them to pull of Special Forces style tasks when they get into the real game. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.

keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2014.04.24 07:18:00 - [11] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I did see turret operations, and I saw LVL 2 and LVL 4 suits. The buildings and ground have a 1,000,000,000--- the numbers went on KD/R, and still climbing. Ohh that's great! Perhaps the Pilot suit was there too! *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2014.04.24 07:24:00 - [12] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: The pilot suits were locked away in a vault/room type place named 'Your never getting this.' I also saw parkour maneuvers to avoid fall damage, fire damage brought back, tanks removed in bush, 3rd grenade, swarms viable, race vehicles, and my favorite wish, Matari Nova Knives. Darn. That makes me sad. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 125	Posted - 2014.04.24 07:30:00 - [13] - Quote Heh. :P *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 125	Posted - 2014.04.24 08:09:00 - [14] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: no ambush fell apart over a year ago when the devs decided to let a forum tell them how to redesign a game mode from a classic TDM into the abomination of a mode we have now. Well, that is sort of true. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2014.04.24 14:42:00 - [15] - Quote I suppose it is my daily duty to bump or something. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 133	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:56:00 - [16] - Quote Bumperoooo..... *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 133	Posted - 2014.04.25 05:18:00 - [17] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: If milkman is stomping you with his tanks it isn't because tanks are unbalanced in ambush - it's because he's got a lot of SP so his fittings are good, he's reasonably experienced as a tanker (although he's not that good) and he's got a full proto squad backing him up. If he were sniping, and you couldn't counters nope him because his team killed you first would you QQ? Most complaints about tanks in ambush these days are from people who don't want to do anything about it. FG is fixed now, go use it. I repeat: it takes no more than two people ever to kill two ambush tanks: synched breach forge guns will ruin anything. (Yes, STD). Finally, the issues with milkman's tank are far deeper than simply Ambush, and it's naive and dishonest to think that removing vehicles from ambush fixes anything at all; the reason you're having issues killing him? Armour repairers. That's it. Goes for every game type. In the end, I've invested 10 of my 40M into vehicles of varying types. If you remove them from ambush I want my SP back. You want to prevent people from playing game modes (and yes, plenty of people are pure tankers)? Give us back out SP, so we can make an informed choice. Apart from the fact that you sound like a complete apologist for tanks simply because you're enjoying breaking the game at this point with your "10 million SP" of sheer brokeness, You must understand that ambush is not a vehicle game. If you wanted dynamic tanking and not a complete stomp 90% of the time, go to Domination or one of the other game modes. The fact is, most tankers in ambush enjoy it because they know: a) Ambush is a concentrated gametype with infantry fighting (hence they'll have an easier time picking off the enemy team while getting support from close friendlies. b) Many blueberries to easily destroy in Ambush. It is in my honest opinion that the tankers in Ambush are plain lazy. They are enjoying being overpowered, and don't want to invest time into properly playing the vehicle in a more appropriate gametype. I never said this was a permanent measure (if you even read my post, which I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU DID), but should be temporarily put in place to alleviate the blueberry tank stomping. Or perhaps you don't care about the longevity of this game. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 139	Posted - 2014.04.25 06:03:00 - [18] - Quote Exactly^ *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 139	Posted - 2014.04.25 06:04:00 - [19] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: remove all tanks from ambush......limiting the mode to only two tanks, sort of, makes it worse. Because if the enemy has two tanks on the ground and one of your blue dots has a LAV or dropship, etc. You can not call in a tank to help counter their tanks. It gets worse if it is a blueberry soma (no hate, just reality). *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 141	Posted - 2014.04.25 08:39:00 - [20] - Quote Sometimes I wonder if CCP actually knows how bad pub ambush has gotten. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.

keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 149	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:54:00 - [21] - Quote Ion Crush wrote: I agree, but for regular ambush only. Leave them in OMS fights. Sure I suppose. @Stupid Blueberry. Obvious troll is obvious. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2014.04.26 03:36:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I have read you whole OP and while it expresses itself quite clearly, I'm going to say no to vehicle removal from Ambush. It's interesting to note that we are in a game where teamwork is paramount compared to the lone wolf yet people do not work with each other in the game. I sent an email to a logi one time who kept repping my heavy. I sent him a note saying thanks and he replied something along the lines of "hey we are on the same team, its supposed to be that way". Now if only the other hundreds of blues who could recognize this. Players in Ambush, hell any game mode for that matter, should be working together to take out high priority targets. You don't need an NPE to know that. It should be common sense. I don't mind the vehicles and enjoy Ambush now that it is limited to two. What would be good is if they provide different versions of Ambush to play. Maybe they can't do that now with the player count because it might make for less occupied slots in the game modes. But that's my proposal. Everyone can be happy that way. I see where you are coming from. This is a stopgap measure simply because it seems that the pop count isn't going to go up anytime soon and the few new players coming in are getting utterly stomped. I don't know what else to say because I don't have the answer to this issue other than many things have to be fixed in the long run to get ambush functioning as it was intended to. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2014.04.26 04:11:00 - [23] - Quote Sigh. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2014.04.26 04:52:00 - [24] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so theres a problem if the enemy team has a highly skilled tanker witha madrugar/blaster and iam on yorus with my FULLY SKILLED BLASTER/MISSILE TANKS and kill the opposing vehicles. is there a problem? Yes. This logic pretty much falls through when we have blueberries bringing in Somas or no tankers at all. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2014.04.26 16:54:00 - [25] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: keno trader wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so theres a problem if the enemy team has a highly skilled tanker witha madrugar/blaster and iam on yorus with my FULLY SKILLED BLASTER/MISSILE TANKS and kill the opposing vehicles. is there a problem? Yes. This logic pretty much falls through when we have blueberries bringing in Somas or no tankers at all. So bring AV. I have no issues soloing tanks, which is another way of saying that if you and a friend can't kill a tank together you're doing it wrong. And if two people can kill one tank, then two people can kill two tanks. Then the bloke in the Soma can continue to do his job and ruin all the red berries. You sir clearly have not even read the OP. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2014.04.26 16:55:00 - [26] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Due t bolding and underlining - I think your just QQ about tanks (L2P) Due to terrible spelling and poor grammar, I must conclude that you are an idiot. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.