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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:39:00 -
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 PLEASE READ THE POST IN ITS ENTIRETY. THANK YOU!
I know this will be considered extremely unpopular by much of the community, but I'd like to put forth a serious proposal to remove tanks from Ambush (PUBLIC CONTRACTS) completely.
Right now, many people are discussing AV/Tanking imbalances. While that topic is all very well and nice, it is a tough issue, and will probably take several patches to fully resolve. I don't want to either side getting perma-nerfed (being sent back to oblivion), as I do want Dust to be kept a fun and dynamic game.
However, while CCP considers this issue, Ambush, especially pub, itself is falling apart COMPLETELY due to the balancing issues. The fact of the matter is, most pub games are where blueberries go to start, and it's quite disorganized compared to say PC or factional stuff. AV is meant to be a team effort, and careful communication between MIC'ed squad members or tacit agreement between very experienced members is required in order to successfully carry out an AV operation.
The fact of the matter is though, Ambush is rarely organized. It's perhaps the most COD-like mode of all the game modes so far, as it should be heavily about infantry fighting. I don't mind if we had vehicles like LAVs and even the elusive MAVs, but having HAVs roll in and out squashing 5 or so members of a team is utterly destroying the experience for new players, casual players, and serious players attempting to relax.
With the current state of AV, the stunning lack of coordination/ presence of newberries is making it nearly impossible to stop the tankers, especially on the silly bridge maps. It's almost funny that a tank can take up to 25% of an engagement zone at times!
Some will ask "Why not just bring in your own tanks?" Well, for one, when the enemy calls in a Madrugar, and your team calls in a Soma as the first tank on the field, the game is pretty much lost, especially since some rounds have very low ticket counts (50).
So, I would kindly like to ask for tanks to be removed from Ambush (pubs) as a temporary measure.
I think that the Dust needs to just embrace the fact that Ambush is an infantry mode, and stop attempting to straddle too many fronts per game mode. Perhaps, later, we can discuss better ideas once balance comes in, but right now, IMMEDIATE action has to be taken.
Thank you.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:40:00 -
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I agree. Now, lets laugh at all the people going to comment on the title and not read the post.
1] Remove tanks from bush
2] Bring 1.7 AV back
3] Everyone's happy except the scrubs that never STFU
Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all.
SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:41:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I agree. Now, lets laugh
Here's one to the blueberry who just got squashed by the triple rep maddy! 
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:43:00 -
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I third this. Now lets sit back and watch as CCP makes this game worse
All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting, we'll be that spark that starts the fires of doom.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:43:00 -
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keno trader wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I agree. Now, lets laugh Here's one to the blueberry who just got squashed by the triple rep maddy!
I thought we agreed never to discuss that. But it was funny.
Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all.
SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60
1mil SP and counting
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:45:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:I third this. Now lets sit back and watch as CCP makes this game worse
Well, we don't have much to expect from CCP. So everything's an improvement at best, a change at worst I suppose. 
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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freed bird
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:49:00 -
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If we could get CPM response or some dev/team stuff going that would be great! |
SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:49:00 -
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keno trader wrote:SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:I third this. Now lets sit back and watch as CCP makes this game worse Well, we don't have much to expect from CCP. So everything's an improvement at best, a change at worst I suppose.
At this point(Despite my praises and hopes for this game in the past) I see a failed game. If it improves well then good on ya CCP but as you said, I'm not expecting anything good anymore. No more money out of me for boosters
All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting, we'll be that spark that starts the fires of doom.
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:51:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:keno trader wrote:SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:I third this. Now lets sit back and watch as CCP makes this game worse Well, we don't have much to expect from CCP. So everything's an improvement at best, a change at worst I suppose. At this point(Despite my praises and hopes for this game in the past) I see a failed game. If it improves well then good on ya CCP but as you said, I'm not expecting anything good anymore. No more money out of me for boosters
Recently just redeemed a 3 day active that I forgot to redeem a while back. 'Twas like finding a little pot of gold.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:52:00 -
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CPM/Dev responses seem to be a lot rarer. I wonder if it is a fanfest thing or a CCP Rouge thing. Rumors stating the reasons behind his lack of communication are interesting. Word has it that he hasnt posted yet due to previous people promising much and delivering little
All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting, we'll be that spark that starts the fires of doom.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:53:00 -
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freed bird wrote:If we could get CPM response or some dev/team stuff going that would be great!
We all know we wont get a response and if we DO, its going to be, 'We're looking into it', 'We'll investigate', 'We see no problems with this in our research', etc., etc., etc...
Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all.
SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60
1mil SP and counting
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:54:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:CPM/Dev responses seem to be a lot rarer. I wonder if it is a fanfest thing or a CCP Rouge thing. Rumors stating the reasons behind his lack of communication are interesting. Word has it that he hasnt posted yet due to previous people promising much and delivering little
@Freed. This. Perhaps it would be nice if they took a look at this post and considered it. That'd be enough in my personal opinion.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:55:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:freed bird wrote:If we could get CPM response or some dev/team stuff going that would be great! We all know we wont get a response and if we DO, its going to be, 'We're looking into it', 'We'll investigate', 'We see no problems with this in our research', etc., etc., etc...
@Parkour, I'm agreeing with you on so much lately. We think quite alike!
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:58:00 -
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I saw Milkman call in 6 madrugars in an ambush because 8 PEOPLE ON THE ENEMY TEAM WERE AV and wouldn't let him do anything.
If you need HALF of your team to run AV just to prevent ONE tank from stomping your ass, it's proof that vehicles need to just be completely removed from ambush.
Instead there should just be a vehicle only game mode (something that bettere resembles ALL of the trailers that CCP has released) where all the tanks can go have fun killing each other in a big open map.
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:59:00 -
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Let me load the entire clip of my swarm into one launch if I can keep the lock long enough to load more and more.
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Aderek
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:59:00 -
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Hi.
Two tanks on ambush is really good & fun. Play with squad.
Tank cant enter/go everywhere ;) Comunicate with squad, use RE, AV, ML and tanks run away ;0
Good day.
If you dont like tank, change map where tank cant drive.
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:01:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I saw Milkman call in 6 madrugars in an ambush because 8 PEOPLE ON THE ENEMY TEAM WERE AV and wouldn't let him do anything.
If you need HALF of your team to run AV just to prevent ONE tank from stomping your ass, it's proof that vehicles need to just be completely removed from ambush.
Instead there should just be a vehicle only game mode (something that bettere resembles ALL of the trailers that CCP has released) where all the tanks can go have fun killing each other in a big open map.
Wow that's comically bad. My feelings go out to those people having to face this guy.
They could just implement a BF4 style vehicle only. High risk, high reward! Everyone would be happier, except those making great profit out of wrecking the matches right now. They would claim that they are being "neglected".
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:02:00 -
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Aderek wrote:Hi.
Two tanks on ambush is really good & fun. Play with squad.
Tank cant enter/go everywhere ;) Comunicate with squad, use RE, AV, ML and tanks run away ;0
Good day.
If you dont like tank, change map where tank cant drive.
Change map where tank can't drive? Wut?
We're talking about Pubs right now. Pub is the CORE of the NPE experience, and we're wrecking it. There are "no squads", just confused noobs and casuals getting their butts kicked. The game won't be sustainable if this continues!
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:06:00 -
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keno trader wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:freed bird wrote:If we could get CPM response or some dev/team stuff going that would be great! We all know we wont get a response and if we DO, its going to be, 'We're looking into it', 'We'll investigate', 'We see no problems with this in our research', etc., etc., etc... @Parkour, I'm agreeing with you on so much lately. We think quite alike!
Yup. Great minds think a like. Besides they wont listen to me at all after what I found at the planets core after freefalling for 3mins.
Quote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:
Fell through the map for 3 minutes freefalling. Then slammed into the planets core.
I found the graves of the FlayLock, and the SCP and shotgun ROF.
The Ions and PLC and sniper rifles graves was already dug, but they were empty. That's a semi-good sign.
Also found a shovel with the name 'CCP LogiBro' written on it.
I saw a grave with the words 'Medium Frames' on it, the grave was huge.
Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all.
SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60
1mil SP and counting
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:09:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:keno trader wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:freed bird wrote:If we could get CPM response or some dev/team stuff going that would be great! We all know we wont get a response and if we DO, its going to be, 'We're looking into it', 'We'll investigate', 'We see no problems with this in our research', etc., etc., etc... @Parkour, I'm agreeing with you on so much lately. We think quite alike! Yup. Great minds think a like. Besides they wont listen to me at all after what I found at the planets core after freefalling for 3mins. Quote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:
Fell through the map for 3 minutes freefalling. Then slammed into the planets core.
I found the graves of the FlayLock, and the SCP and shotgun ROF.
The Ions and PLC and sniper rifles graves was already dug, but they were empty. That's a semi-good sign.
Also found a shovel with the name 'CCP LogiBro' written on it.
I saw a grave with the words 'Medium Frames' on it, the grave was huge.
Great stuff! Did you see the TURRET SKILL TREE down there by any chance?
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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Aderek
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:09:00 -
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keno trader wrote:Aderek wrote:Hi.
Two tanks on ambush is really good & fun. Play with squad.
Tank cant enter/go everywhere ;) Comunicate with squad, use RE, AV, ML and tanks run away ;0
Good day.
If you dont like tank, change map where tank cant drive.
Change map where tank can't drive? Wut? We're talking about Pubs right now. Pub is the CORE of the NPE experience, and we're wrecking it. There are "no squads", just confused noobs and casuals getting their butts kicked. The game won't be sustainable if this continues!
You said BIG RIGHT: experience! Noob must get it, learn how to run away, hide and atack.
I said it many times, matchmaking must select merc in groups:
0-2 kk SP
2-5 kk SP
5-10 kk SP
10-30 kk SP
30 -100 kk SP
So, its no problem with tanks, but problem with merc, who cant learn. If he see tank, he not run away, he fire to tank with his AR! I saw it many. many times: tanks fire and BB go, and go, and go.... to this tank!
To learn how to fire is academy, next is a squad.
Good hunting :) |
keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:15:00 -
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@Adarek...the Academy is a joke and matchmaking is broken.
Right now, we're giving blueberries ARs/CRs, letting them play in a playground, and then expecting them to pull of Special Forces style tasks when they get into the real game.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:17:00 -
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I did see turret operations, and I saw LVL 2 and LVL 4 suits. The buildings and ground have a 1,000,000,000--- the numbers went on KD/R, and still climbing.
Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all.
SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60
1mil SP and counting
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:18:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I did see turret operations, and I saw LVL 2 and LVL 4 suits. The buildings and ground have a 1,000,000,000--- the numbers went on KD/R, and still climbing.
Ohh that's great! Perhaps the Pilot suit was there too!
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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Aderek
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:20:00 -
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keno trader wrote:@Adarek...the Academy is a joke and matchmaking is broken.
Right now, we're giving blueberries ARs/CRs, letting them play in a playground, and then expecting them to pull of Special Forces style tasks when they get into the real game.
Everyone know that... I'm too wait for repair of matchmaking system.
But, we, and noobs started in this same game and must stay alive ;)
I rember my first steps: many, many deaths by tanks (free tanks in closed beta), many deads by scouts etc. But, i play in dust because i like eve universe, i like MMO and i collect exp.
I know, so many people hate tanks, but they cant see, so they not must kill everythink ;) some times merc must to retreat ;) |
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:23:00 -
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The pilot suits were locked away in a vault/room type place named 'Your never getting this.' I also saw parkour maneuvers to avoid fall damage, fire damage brought back, tanks removed in bush, 3rd grenade,
swarms viable, race vehicles, and my favorite wish, Matari Nova Knives.
Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all.
SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60
1mil SP and counting
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:24:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:The pilot suits were locked away in a vault/room type place named 'Your never getting this.' I also saw parkour maneuvers to avoid fall damage, fire damage brought back, tanks removed in bush, 3rd grenade,
swarms viable, race vehicles, and my favorite wish, Matari Nova Knives.
Darn. That makes me sad. 
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:26:00 -
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keno trader wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:The pilot suits were locked away in a vault/room type place named 'Your never getting this.' I also saw parkour maneuvers to avoid fall damage, fire damage brought back, tanks removed in bush, 3rd grenade,
swarms viable, race vehicles, and my favorite wish, Matari Nova Knives. Darn. That makes me sad.
And yet, I'm not leaving this game until the servers shut down.
Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all.
SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60
1mil SP and counting
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:30:00 -
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Heh. :P
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:34:00 -
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No, no, no, no, no, no. No. I know 2 year olds that can handle spawns MUCH better then Cant Code Properly.
Sidearm and Light Weapon Scout, I use 'em all.
SCP and IP user, watch out for that +60
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