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Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 243	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:32:00 - [1] - Quote This is merely a outsider looking from a neutral point. It is not meant to offend or lead to arguement. The post is meant to form thought & fair debate. This is only speculation, observation, & a few facts. I have friends in & outside DNS personally. Thank You. That aside allow me to begin. From what I was told why DNS took Molden Heath it was a good reason. And in all truthfulness PC led to wars & friends being broke apart, infact with less PC perhaps smaller corporations can get around more. This is NOT a moment to fear just yet. This is a moment Dust decides what it is here & now. DNS you have the choice to be the best thing to ever hit Dust. A better choice then all alliances before such as EON. or some others. Beating the game itself by uniting us & thus doing the impossible - A United New Eden!? You can unite us & lead Dust down a stable path to be a good game with a great & better community. Or you can ripe yourself apart & literally destroy Dust itself quite possibly if not correctly handled which is the WORST case scenario. You may choose to do nothing & enjoy the spot but eventually the choice will come rather DNS likes it or not I believe. Currenlty no one can really oppose DNS nor ever at the moment. That means ONLY DNS can handle DNS. DNS has the planets, DNS has the top best active players, DNS has the system, DNS has the influence, DNS has the allies, & DNS has the precious ISK. It'll come to the good, bad, & neutral in DNS having to handle each-other. And it is the bad people I worry most about if anything because they'll lead to the following I will state shortly. For their are bad, good, & neutral people everywhere. Not just in DNS mind you. Those are the facts. From that we can gather glimpses of possible outcomes.... Though it may not be the goal or desire of DNS it may happen. I will state the most likely from what I see in my opinion: With DNS having it's new found post members (Not All) in DNS will take advantage of the situation. Situation being - DNS the primary power of the time. They'll be jerks to anyone not DNS believing they are lesser & scrubs, if they oppose the wrong doing they'll just say "Welcome To New Eden" as the Dust community has foolishly accepted & started saying. With no real opponents they'll become bored & where is all that ISK, eager members & proto fits to go? Why, only 2 places (7 places to be exact) - Pubs & FW. This'll lead to why I believe it MIGHT (though unlikely) may begin to break Dust. No one will oppose them much but themselves in time. So they'll proto stomp & unfairly crush the majority of people be they new or veteran. With the massive ISK it'll be nothing to loose 7 proto dropships, 5 proto Tanks, & 25 proto fits as they'll have billions. The good will try to stabalize it & they'll do things like TDome events in PC's, sticking up for corporations not in DNS, running trainning PC's, getting DNS on the right path to unite Dust. But the bad are chaos & that'll go against what they want so they'll give them a hard time in they're efforts. But it'll leak from DNS into pubs & other corporations. With time DNS will grow apart with the neaural being torn from friends, good & bad DNS making sides. Then it'll lead to betrayal &/or civil war with the group breaking. Sending massive shockwaves everywhere which will last years. Even if DNS falls only some groups will have power & needless to say it'll be bad. If Dust isn't destroyed by the insanity. Not to mention outside groups will jump in the party. However if it is handle right it may fall with considerable less ruin. Or will DNS defie Dust & do the impossible - truely making a United New Eden. Only time will tell with the following choices that DNS makes. I only hope it ends well for everyone be they DNS or no....
Games Haven The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 61	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:37:00 - [2] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: "Welcome To New Eden" Of all the cesspools and scumbags that this forum (and by extension, game) throws out, this is the worst f**kin' thing I have ever heard uttered by another human in this slum of a community. +1 May or may not be not the guy you might be thinking of.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 244	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:41:00 - [3] - Quote Indeed it has become a phrase for wrong doing in Dust I hope DNS can change the maning of it to where & when someone says "Welcome To New Eden" it'll be something good, nostalgic & welcoming to the community instead of something to push people away.
Roofer Madness 1057	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:43:00 - [4] - Quote Someone drank all the damn Kool-Aid..... I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 246	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:49:00 - [5] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Someone drank all the damn Kool-Aid..... Trying to get precious likes by being the 1st to make a snappy come back? Reflect deeply on this becuase it will affect Dust.
Roofer Madness 1057	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:55:00 - [6] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Someone drank all the damn Kool-Aid..... Trying to get precious likes by being the 1st to make a snappy come back? Reflect deeply on this becuase it will affect Dust. I couldn't give a stiff wet fart about likes. I just can't believe how gullible some people in this community can be. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 246	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:58:00 - [7] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Someone drank all the damn Kool-Aid..... Trying to get precious likes by being the 1st to make a snappy come back? Reflect deeply on this becuase it will affect Dust. I couldn't give a stiff wet fart about likes. I just can't believe how gullible some people in this community can be. Says the guy with 1000+ likes, well no matter. Are you here to debate or state some logical thoughts or not? If not go think a little, reflect then maybe come back. Thank You.
Roofer Madness 1057	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:03:00 - [8] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Someone drank all the damn Kool-Aid..... Trying to get precious likes by being the 1st to make a snappy come back? Reflect deeply on this becuase it will affect Dust. I couldn't give a stiff wet fart about likes. I just can't believe how gullible some people in this community can be. Says the guy with 1000+ likes, well no matter. Are you here to debate or state some logical thoughts or not? If not go think a little, reflect then maybe come back. Thank You. OK, I'll bite. First of all, take that extra goddamn 'a' out of neutral you ******* moron. Second, I have been playing this game and frequenting the forums for a long while now and 1,000 likes is not that hard to come by. Just ask General John Ripper. lol Finally, one could argue that this thread you just made is the weakest ass Like Farm since Alltitm's last AV/tank post but maybe I'm just in a bad mood today so I'll let that one slide. Way to derail your own thread by the way.... I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 246	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:07:00 - [9] - Quote I do not plan to reply again to a ranter. This is the last time I will acknowledge your nonesense. Obviously you didn't read my 1st sentence & I am neutral as last i checked i'm on no 1's side nor am I a great oh so powerful mega corporation. Begone, this is a place for thought & debate not colorful war room hating. With cursing & snappy comebacks.
Darth Threatius Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:16:00 - [10] - Quote DNS did not take the Molden Heath. What happened was the majority of districts held by the "now" corps in the alliance locked districts for months on end refusing to fight each other. Then when CCP put an end to the locking districts and farming ISK, they decide to all join up in DNS instead of fighting. I respect your post. But In my opinion, thinking that DNS now has control of how the game will be played by everyone else is not going to fly with many. I think anyone who would participate in Events or any other activities coming out of the DNS alliance is only strengthening their ego and arrogance. One thing is for sure, Many of the Corps. in the DNS alliance are "Alliance Hoppers" filled with "Corp. Hoppers" Maybe they will stick together now that they have and do exploit every flaw of the game... or maybe not. As long we as individuals enjoy playing Pubs, FW and the occasional clone pack PC then that is all that really matters. This could be a picture that you could look at yet now you're wasting your time reading this.

Roofer Madness 1059	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:19:00 - [11] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: I do not plan to reply again to a ranter. This is the last time I will acknowledge your nonesense. Obviously you didn't read my 1st sentence & I am neutral as last i checked i'm on no 1's side nor am I a great oh so powerful mega corporation. Not here to take sides. Going for how I write a word means you have nothing logical. Begone, this is a place for thought & debate not colorful war room hating. With cursing & snappy comebacks. PS: Ty for confirming some of which I spoke above. I'm sorry but your are sadly misinformed. This is exactly the place for snappy comebacks and cursing. It's the war room. Go to General Discussion if you're looking for someone to hold your hand. And obviously English is not your first language so my bad on the grammar correction. Carry on. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
General John Ripper 20355	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:29:00 - [12] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: This is merely a outsider looking from a neutral point.... This is only speculation... From what I was told why DNS took Molden Heath it was a good reason.... And in all truthfulness PC led to wars & friends being broke apart, infact with less PC perhaps smaller corporations can get around more, it may actually benefit Dust some.... You can unite us & lead Dust down a stable path to be a good game with a great & better community..... Or you can ripe yourself apart & literally destroy Dust itself quite possibly if not correctly handled which is the WORST case scenario..... Just highlighting some failworthy statements on your part outsider. Thread is now being reviewed and is now under consideration for dumbest thread of the year award. Congratulations. Stop liking my posts!! Your killing me!!! Noo! Arrgghhh!!!
Roofer Madness 1060	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:40:00 - [13] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: This is merely a outsider looking from a neutral point.... This is only speculation... From what I was told why DNS took Molden Heath it was a good reason.... And in all truthfulness PC led to wars & friends being broke apart, infact with less PC perhaps smaller corporations can get around more, it may actually benefit Dust some.... You can unite us & lead Dust down a stable path to be a good game with a great & better community..... Or you can ripe yourself apart & literally destroy Dust itself quite possibly if not correctly handled which is the WORST case scenario..... Just highlighting some failworthy statements on your part outsider. Thread is now being reviewed and is now under consideration for dumbest thread of the year award. Congratulations. WOW! And it's only April! I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
General John Ripper 20358	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:46:00 - [14] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: General John Ripper wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: This is merely a outsider looking from a neutral point.... This is only speculation... From what I was told why DNS took Molden Heath it was a good reason.... And in all truthfulness PC led to wars & friends being broke apart, infact with less PC perhaps smaller corporations can get around more, it may actually benefit Dust some.... You can unite us & lead Dust down a stable path to be a good game with a great & better community..... Or you can ripe yourself apart & literally destroy Dust itself quite possibly if not correctly handled which is the WORST case scenario..... Just highlighting some failworthy statements on your part outsider. Thread is now being reviewed and is now under consideration for dumbest thread of the year award. Congratulations. WOW! And it's only April! I know, he should feel honored! It is quite an achievement. Stop liking my posts!! Your killing me!!! Noo! Arrgghhh!!!
Darth-Carbonite GIO Dust2Dust. Top Men. 641	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:56:00 - [15] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: From what I was told why DNS took Molden Heath it was a good reason. And in all truthfulness PC led to wars & friends being broke apart, infact with less PC perhaps smaller corporations can get around more, it may actually benefit Dust some. ^This^ is the point at which I facepalmed, and started to look for youtube cat videos. Preeminent Scrambler Slayer And Python Pilot
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 246	Posted - 2014.04.21 23:07:00 - [16] - Quote Ty all for proving my exact point about the community & sincee this post has not been moved it is fine 4 the war room, forbid i write smething good & debateable. Funny only certain people show up 2 destroy it before it begins to actually make people think. Therefore i willn no longer just ingore a certain person, i will only notice those tslking logicslly. Let others have thry're say people known and not well known in a civil mannar before coming here ll high and mighty to troll before others who's voices u deny hav a say. Thank You.
Roofer Madness 1060	Posted - 2014.04.21 23:15:00 - [17] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Ty all for proving my exact point about the community & since this post has not been moved it is fine 4 the war room, forbid i write something good & debateable. Funny only certain people show up 2 destroy it before it begins to actually make people think. Therefore i will no longer just ingore a certain person, i will only notice those talking logically. Let others have they're say people known and not well known in a civil mannar before coming here all high and mighty to troll before others who's voices u deny hav a say. Thank You. The only thing this thread is making people think is this. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2014.04.21 23:22:00 - [18] - Quote Darth Threatius wrote: 1DNS did not take the Molden Heath. What happened was 2 the majority of districts held by the "now" corps in the alliance locked districts for months on end refusing to fight each other. Then when CCP put an end to the locking districts and farming ISK, 3 they decide to all join up in DNS instead of fighting. I respect your post. But In my opinion, 4 thinking that DNS now has control of how the game will be played by everyone else is not going to fly with many. 5 I think anyone who would participate in Events or any other activities coming out of the DNS alliance is only strengthening their ego and arrogance. One thing is for sure, 6Many of the Corps. in the DNS alliance are "Alliance Hoppers" filled with "Corp. Hoppers" Maybe they will stick together now that they have and do exploit every flaw of the game... or maybe not. As long we as individuals enjoy playing Pubs, FW and the occasional clone pack PC then that is all that really matters. 1) I guess you missed the part where DNS took 96% of MH...... 2) So I guess the times Zatara intentionally left one or two districts online for AE to attack falls under refusing to fight each other..... 3) I'll give you that, but in all fairness we were the only people actually doing any fighting, thus the joke ring the bat-phone. 4) You know, for a good long while, everyone was doing exactly what that statement implies they wouldn't do about it, nothing. 5) our arrogance and ego need to be padded, it's very important. 6) DNS was a merger between NF, RA and RND. The only alliance hopper corp that could be seen as such is FA, and we're getting paid from the alliance, don't see a reason to leave. The only backing corp that backs your claim is FA, which is about oh...... one. I doubt that means DNS is full of alliance hoppers. Official DNS alt The official panty monk of FA.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2411	Posted - 2014.04.21 23:30:00 - [19] - Quote No. One. Cares /thread Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:11:00 - [20] - Quote One more thing Vin, and don't take this insultingly. Your statements are WAY too long. Few (emphasis on few, some exist) true war room vets will actually read all that unless you add at the beginning there will be fart jokes. Even then, I can't bring myself to read more than four paragraphs, and I'm pretty much your average joe war room vet. Not trying to be a douche, but just for future reference. Official DNS alt The official panty monk of FA.

Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1675	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:00:00 - [21] - Quote Meh. DNS, from what I've heard and seen, is already leaking over into Pubs and FW. It won't be too long before they split up due to petty crap and just being bored with the game. Shrugs But whatever, they're "winning" or whatever the bullshit statement of the day is. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1453	Posted - 2014.04.22 05:46:00 - [22] - Quote Things everyone can agree on: - This game has become stale - The veteran experience sucks as much as the new player experience (where to vets evolve to beyond pubs?) - PC was broken from the start - Cronos -> EoN. -> DNS. Once one alliance gets an advantage its becomes a snowball effect - Its CCPs job to decide where to go from here, not the players. While many might not believe in the stated mission of 100% MH, I would hope that they realize that the mechanics behind PC are utterly flawed and that the situation will always favor the corp/alliance that can put the best 16 on the field the most regularly which has nothing to do with actual war at all. There are no alternative tactics that smaller corps can use to try to carve out their own niche. There is no war of attrition where it comes down to who is willing to risk more resources. If CCP spent more effort on PC rather than just stapling pub matches onto a star map, this might not be an issue. So, if you believe DNS' campaign is hot air, that is fine and your right. But at least raise your voices to CCP that its their lack of depth and foresight that caused this and will continue to cause it. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 200	Posted - 2014.04.22 08:47:00 - [23] - Quote This game reminds me of American citizens. Complain about problems of their country but do nothing to change it. Unless it involves signing an online petition or posting your complaint on twitter. Saying what's on people's minds
LIFE RIPPER Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 219	Posted - 2014.04.22 09:14:00 - [24] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: This game reminds me of American citizens. Complain about problems of their country but do nothing to change it. Unless it involves signing an online petition or posting your complaint on twitter. Is this where I sign?
Darth Threatius Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:52:00 - [25] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Darth Threatius wrote: 1DNS did not take the Molden Heath. What happened was 2 the majority of districts held by the "now" corps in the alliance locked districts for months on end refusing to fight each other. Then when CCP put an end to the locking districts and farming ISK, 3 they decide to all join up in DNS instead of fighting. I respect your post. But In my opinion, 4 thinking that DNS now has control of how the game will be played by everyone else is not going to fly with many. 5 I think anyone who would participate in Events or any other activities coming out of the DNS alliance is only strengthening their ego and arrogance. One thing is for sure, 6Many of the Corps. in the DNS alliance are "Alliance Hoppers" filled with "Corp. Hoppers" Maybe they will stick together now that they have and do exploit every flaw of the game... or maybe not. As long we as individuals enjoy playing Pubs, FW and the occasional clone pack PC then that is all that really matters. 1) I guess you missed the part where DNS took 96% of MH...... 2) So I guess the times Zatara intentionally left one or two districts online for AE to attack falls under refusing to fight each other..... 3) I'll give you that, but in all fairness we were the only people actually doing any fighting, thus the joke ring the bat-phone. 4) You know, for a good long while, everyone was doing exactly what that statement implies they wouldn't do about it, nothing. 5) our arrogance and ego need to be padded, it's very important. 6) DNS was a merger between NF, RA and RND. The only alliance hopper corp that could be seen as such is FA, and we're getting paid from the alliance, don't see a reason to leave. The only backing corp that backs your claim is FA, which is about oh...... one. I doubt that means DNS is full of alliance hoppers. 1. The alliance was not all together when districts were claimed. As corps. joined DNS the total became 96%. Therefore DNS did not take 96% as an Alliance. 2. Of course. Leaving a district unlocked on occasion does not take away from the abuse of district locking. 6. You call it merging I call it Hopping. Not really and issue but it seems it was the easy way out. This is what I feel like i'm reading when you troll me derrith This could be a picture that you could look at yet now you're wasting your time reading this.
The-Beard 181	Posted - 2014.04.22 13:38:00 - [26] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: With no real opponents they'll become bored & where is all that ISK, eager members & proto fits to go? Why, only 2 places (7 places to be exact) - Pubs & FW. This'll lead to why I believe it MIGHT (though unlikely) may begin to break Dust. No one will oppose them much but themselves in time. So they'll proto stomp & unfairly crush the majority of people be they new or veteran. With the massive ISK it'll be nothing to loose 7 proto dropships, 5 proto Tanks, & 25 proto fits as they'll have billions. TP did this in match I was in. They were on the enemy side and my team didn't really get stomp'd or unfairly crushed. The map was manis peak and we had the side with the ridge. For the first time I saw a python get used like a trash viper, they flew it right into the ridge crashing it, jumped out and tried to take the hill. They kept bringing in maddys which we kept popping with RE's and in the end we got clone'd out. They had 2 or 3 clones left, very close match. Out of the 6 TP in that match only 2 had better then 1 kdr. It was pretty fun match. Granted TP did lose millions of isk to win a pub which is kinda funny and sad at the same time (funny that they lost it, sad that it didn't matter). I don't see the point of playing a game on easy mode. Like a tranny in TJ, give it to me rough, dirty and bare back Shout out to Fusion and unique1ID.. you both did carry the team with your kills and those perfect OB's Fusion laid down. I just wish I got some wp for those scans, picture a cloaked scout running circles in the middle of an enemy mob while being shot at and screaming to Fusion "drop it, DROP IT. DROP THE OB! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DROP THE F*CKING OB!" with him saying "ya, ya wait just a minute...AHHH! getting shot at! (shotgun goes off) ok, just a sec gotta find a safe spot AHHHH!! (shut gun goes off) ok, bringing it up " To give you an image. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOlTONos9lk Ya, Fusion was willie and the bugs were the enemy. Although unique isn't short round... he doesn't like to get himself into interesting situations like I do. Either way /golf clap to TP for a fun match.
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1457	Posted - 2014.04.22 14:43:00 - [27] - Quote Darth Threatius wrote: yep derrith again wrote: Darth Threatius wrote: 1DNS did not take the Molden Heath. What happened was 2 the majority of districts held by the "now" corps in the alliance locked districts for months on end refusing to fight each other. Then when CCP put an end to the locking districts and farming ISK, 3 they decide to all join up in DNS instead of fighting. I respect your post. But In my opinion, 4 thinking that DNS now has control of how the game will be played by everyone else is not going to fly with many. 5 I think anyone who would participate in Events or any other activities coming out of the DNS alliance is only strengthening their ego and arrogance. One thing is for sure, 6Many of the Corps. in the DNS alliance are "Alliance Hoppers" filled with "Corp. Hoppers" Maybe they will stick together now that they have and do exploit every flaw of the game... or maybe not. As long we as individuals enjoy playing Pubs, FW and the occasional clone pack PC then that is all that really matters. 1) I guess you missed the part where DNS took 96% of MH...... 2) So I guess the times Zatara intentionally left one or two districts online for AE to attack falls under refusing to fight each other..... 3) I'll give you that, but in all fairness we were the only people actually doing any fighting, thus the joke ring the bat-phone. 4) You know, for a good long while, everyone was doing exactly what that statement implies they wouldn't do about it, nothing. 5) our arrogance and ego need to be padded, it's very important. 6) DNS was a merger between NF, RA and RND. The only alliance hopper corp that could be seen as such is FA, and we're getting paid from the alliance, don't see a reason to leave. The only backing corp that backs your claim is FA, which is about oh...... one. I doubt that means DNS is full of alliance hoppers. 1. The alliance was not all together when districts were claimed. As corps. joined DNS the total became 96%. Therefore DNS did not take 96% as an Alliance. 2. Of course. Leaving a district unlocked on occasion does not take away from the abuse of district locking. 6. You call it merging I call it Hopping. Not really and issue but it seems it was the easy way out. This is what I feel like i'm reading when you troll me derrith History Lesson: AE, NS, ANON and DDB join Renagade Alliance FA, STB and ML move to General Tso's (they enter into a contract with NF) Some skirmish fighting breaks out between the two but some corps begin to lock their districts as a defensive strategy. Some of the larger corps are annoyed that they can only defend and cannot attack due to this mechanic. General consensus is that, if CCP is going to allow it to happen, they will do it to until it gets fixed. Everyone (on both sides) locks up and waits for a response from CCP. Some more battles do happen in the mean time but its pretty light comparatively... CCP fixes (for the most part) district locking and war breaks out between RA and GTA. The battles are pretty even in the beginning. Something happens between GTA and NF that sours the relationship. NF breaks ties with GTA. RA enters into a relationship with NF which pushes the advantage over to RA and they being to start taking more and more districts. GTA slowly bleeds out of their districts. ERA and RA merge into DNS towards the end of the war. After the war is over, FA and RND (and later others) join up with DNS and you have it as it is today. The campaign for 100% MH begins So yes, a good chunk of MH got merged into DNS with RA and ERA but its not like they didnt take that land themselves in the first place during the RA/GTA war. DNS did not take all 96% under its name but the initial members of the Dust side took a large chunk of it and they ,along with those that joined later, took the rest. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Everything Dies Inner.Hell 664	Posted - 2014.04.22 15:12:00 - [28] - Quote "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss." To a casual player like myself, there doesn't seem to be any difference between DNS and those that came before it--namely, the same small core of a few dozen players of that can dominate an entire game mode vs. hundreds/thousands of other players. Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit. Eight months has been long enough...guess it's time to learn how to play with a squad.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1424	Posted - 2014.04.22 16:25:00 - [29] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: After the war is over, FA and RND (and later others) join up with DNS and you have it as it is today. Wrong. the war was not over, rest of GTA was still fighting for their districts when FA and RND jumped ship.
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 561	Posted - 2014.04.22 16:30:00 - [30] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Darth Threatius wrote: yep derrith again wrote: Darth Threatius wrote: 1DNS did not take the Molden Heath. What happened was 2 the majority of districts held by the "now" corps in the alliance locked districts for months on end refusing to fight each other. Then when CCP put an end to the locking districts and farming ISK, 3 they decide to all join up in DNS instead of fighting. I respect your post. But In my opinion, 4 thinking that DNS now has control of how the game will be played by everyone else is not going to fly with many. 5 I think anyone who would participate in Events or any other activities coming out of the DNS alliance is only strengthening their ego and arrogance. One thing is for sure, 6Many of the Corps. in the DNS alliance are "Alliance Hoppers" filled with "Corp. Hoppers" Maybe they will stick together now that they have and do exploit every flaw of the game... or maybe not. As long we as individuals enjoy playing Pubs, FW and the occasional clone pack PC then that is all that really matters. 1) I guess you missed the part where DNS took 96% of MH...... 2) So I guess the times Zatara intentionally left one or two districts online for AE to attack falls under refusing to fight each other..... 3) I'll give you that, but in all fairness we were the only people actually doing any fighting, thus the joke ring the bat-phone. 4) You know, for a good long while, everyone was doing exactly what that statement implies they wouldn't do about it, nothing. 5) our arrogance and ego need to be padded, it's very important. 6) DNS was a merger between NF, RA and RND. The only alliance hopper corp that could be seen as such is FA, and we're getting paid from the alliance, don't see a reason to leave. The only backing corp that backs your claim is FA, which is about oh...... one. I doubt that means DNS is full of alliance hoppers. 1. The alliance was not all together when districts were claimed. As corps. joined DNS the total became 96%. Therefore DNS did not take 96% as an Alliance. 2. Of course. Leaving a district unlocked on occasion does not take away from the abuse of district locking. 6. You call it merging I call it Hopping. Not really and issue but it seems it was the easy way out. This is what I feel like i'm reading when you troll me derrith History Lesson: AE, NS, ANON and DDB join Renagade Alliance FA, STB and ML move to General Tso's (they enter into a contract with NF) Some skirmish fighting breaks out between the two but some corps begin to lock their districts as a defensive strategy. Some of the larger corps are annoyed that they can only defend and cannot attack due to this mechanic. General consensus is that, if CCP is going to allow it to happen, they will do it to until it gets fixed. Everyone (on both sides) locks up and waits for a response from CCP. Some more battles do happen in the mean time but its pretty light comparatively... CCP fixes (for the most part) district locking and war breaks out between RA and GTA. The battles are pretty even in the beginning. Something happens between GTA and NF that sours the relationship. NF breaks ties with GTA. RA enters into a relationship with NF which pushes the advantage over to RA and they being to start taking more and more districts. GTA slowly bleeds out of their districts. ERA and RA merge into DNS towards the end of the war. After the war is over, FA and RND (and later others) join up with DNS and you have it as it is today. The campaign for 100% MH begins So yes, a good chunk of MH got merged into DNS with RA and ERA but its not like they didnt take that land themselves in the first place during the RA/GTA war. DNS did not take all 96% under its name but the initial members of the Dust side took a large chunk of it and they ,along with those that joined later, took the rest. And basically anyone who was not in RA/GTA would call one or the other when trouble was on the horizon. So why beat each others brains in daily/nightly? Group hug and hold the ISK. I know this concept doesn't register with some as I have been reading for the 2 weeks I was banned. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara

Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1457	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:00:00 - [31] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: After the war is over, FA and RND (and later others) join up with DNS and you have it as it is today. Wrong. the war was not over, rest of GTA was still fighting for their districts when FA and RND jumped ship. Complete removal of districts and the war being over are two separate things. Besides, this is just semantics. The point was that RA and NF had already taken most of the districts prior to the other corps coming into the fold. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 249	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:48:00 - [32] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: One more thing Vin, and don't take this insultingly. Your statements are WAY too long. Few (emphasis on few, some exist) true war room vets will actually read all that unless you add at the beginning there will be fart jokes. Even then, I can't bring myself to read more than four paragraphs, and I'm pretty much your average joe war room vet. Not trying to be a douche, but just for future reference. Lol my apologies i jump around sometimes trying to touch base on everything & I tend to make long, I like a thorough explaination when discussing matters of imporatance so I try to add detail which ends up making it a tad long. Also ty for the advice & no offence taken.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 249	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:54:00 - [33] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Things everyone can agree on: - This game has become stale - The veteran experience sucks as much as the new player experience (where to vets evolve to beyond pubs?) - PC was broken from the start - Cronos -> EoN. -> DNS. Once one alliance gets an advantage its becomes a snowball effect - Its CCPs job to decide where to go from here, not the players. While many might not believe in the stated mission of 100% MH, I would hope that they realize that the mechanics behind PC are utterly flawed and that the situation will always favor the corp/alliance that can put the best 16 on the field the most regularly which has nothing to do with actual war at all. There are no alternative tactics that smaller corps can use to try to carve out their own niche. There is no war of attrition where it comes down to who is willing to risk more resources. If CCP spent more effort on PC rather than just stapling pub matches onto a star map, this might not be an issue. So, if you believe DNS' campaign is hot air, that is fine and your right. But at least raise your voices to CCP that its their lack of depth and foresight that caused this and will continue to cause it. First off ty for coming to share your thoughts in a civil & logical mannar. The 1st 4 things I agree with on all of them. Also that's true & I wanted to incorporate that PC is indeed a broke system currently & perhaps with-out it till PC gets better, can MAYBE be a good thing for everyone. Their is nothing small corps can do & it's extremely unbalanced. I once though that maybe Drones can be bought to help to defend a District or something. Giving smaller corporations atleast something. I also agree this is highly a issue due to CCP's lack of effort put into PC. DNS has aply proven this by taking alot of MH.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 258	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:59:00 - [34] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss." To a casual player like myself, there doesn't seem to be any difference between DNS and those that came before it--namely, the same small core of a few dozen players of that can dominate an entire game mode vs. hundreds/thousands of other players. Exactly, 1 problem is no top active players leave the next big thing spotlght & go to smaller corporations. They all tend to migrate to the same place once the past one falls. Hence why I said even if DNS falls it'll still be left to a select top few corporations anyway. The truth is: Their is NO new player experience at all in Dust. If you don't know people, haven't stayed long & aren't in the right place this game can be terrible. Not to mention if you try to befriend some (not all) of the Dust community, you'll get that all too familiar "Welcome To New Eden" phrase that I spoke on before.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 258	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:01:00 - [35] - Quote The-Beard wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: With no real opponents they'll become bored & where is all that ISK, eager members & proto fits to go? Why, only 2 places (7 places to be exact) - Pubs & FW. This'll lead to why I believe it MIGHT (though unlikely) may begin to break Dust. No one will oppose them much but themselves in time. So they'll proto stomp & unfairly crush the majority of people be they new or veteran. With the massive ISK it'll be nothing to loose 7 proto dropships, 5 proto Tanks, & 25 proto fits as they'll have billions. TP did this in match I was in. They were on the enemy side and my team didn't really get stomp'd or unfairly crushed. The map was manis peak and we had the side with the ridge. For the first time I saw a python get used like a trash viper, they flew it right into the ridge crashing it, jumped out and tried to take the hill. They kept bringing in maddys which we kept popping with RE's and in the end we got clone'd out. They had 2 or 3 clones left, very close match. Out of the 6 TP in that match only 2 had better then 1 kdr. It was pretty fun match. Granted TP did lose millions of isk to win a pub which is kinda funny and sad at the same time (funny that they lost it, sad that it didn't matter). I don't see the point of playing a game on easy mode. Like a tranny in TJ, give it to me rough, dirty and bare back Shout out to Fusion and unique1ID.. you both did carry the team with your kills and those perfect OB's Fusion laid down. I just wish I got some wp for those scans, picture a cloaked scout running circles in the middle of an enemy mob while being shot at and screaming to Fusion "drop it, DROP IT. DROP THE OB! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DROP THE F*CKING OB!" with him saying "ya, ya wait just a minute...AHHH! getting shot at! (shotgun goes off) ok, just a sec gotta find a safe spot AHHHH!! (shut gun goes off) ok, bringing it up " To give you an image. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOlTONos9lk Ya, Fusion was willie and the bugs were the enemy. Although unique isn't short round... he doesn't like to get himself into interesting situations like I do. Either way /golf clap to TP for a fun match. Indeed i've noticed that it has already happened faster then thought. It'll be hitting Pubs & FW harder over time.
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 457	Posted - 2014.04.23 07:39:00 - [36] - Quote First, DNS never built anything in Dust, NF and RA were already working together, DNS just swooped in EVE side, their original alliance brought nothing to the table for DUST, they just took the best, that's it. Ownership was already in their hands for the most part. FA abandoned TSO's alliance and surrendered their districts to them. Second, Unite New Eden. DNS isn't even capable of doing that, what a load of ****, they don't hold any SOV, their leader is purely focused on turning DUST into some sort of stupid sport, he said in his podcast he doesn't care about the community Third, you can not be serious about supporting DNS after that podcast, I can almost guarantee the only reason the DUST people are with them is for their EVE support, especially since DNS never offered anything but EVE support (That's all they had before they got RA and NF members to join them). Fourth, that's not a neutral view so much as it is an ignorant view. One need only listen to DNS Black's podcast. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
SoTasLost Property Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.04.23 08:51:00 - [37] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: First, DNS never built anything in Dust, NF and RA were already working together, DNS just swooped in EVE side, their original alliance brought nothing to the table for DUST, they just took the best, that's it. Ownership was already in their hands for the most part. FA abandoned TSO's alliance and surrendered their districts to them. Second, Unite New Eden. DNS isn't even capable of doing that, what a load of ****, they don't hold any SOV, their leader is purely focused on turning DUST into some sort of stupid sport, he said in his podcast he doesn't care about the community Third, you can not be serious about supporting DNS after that podcast, I can almost guarantee the only reason the DUST people are with them is for their EVE support, especially since DNS never offered anything but EVE support (That's all they had before they got RA and NF members to join them). Fourth, that's not a neutral view so much as it is an ignorant view. One need only listen to DNS Black's podcast. Can I ask something? How does not agreeing with his views/intent = you despise everything he and his group does? He made an ass of himself, definitely, but the harshness of your post isn't justified at all. Even if you do not like that he doesn't want to work with the community because he feels he has the resources enough on his own with his connections to do it (His actual statement btw, not your nitpicking one that takes him out of context and makes it seem like he just wants to spit on all of you) that doesn't mean you're forced to join or can't make one without some billion dollar prize to spit in his face for trying. I'm, just confused by this level of animosity for DNS when they haven't actually done anything to anyone besides forum troll.
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 459	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:46:00 - [38] - Quote 1st let me highlight DNS Blacks strong points so I don't sound completely bias. He makes a point about New Eden being about making personal connections and finding passion. He is well spoken in his presentations at fanfest, he has accomplished a great deal. Now do I despise him? No How I feel: RA and NF did all the work, and I'm tired of hearing how many times he says "I" before the words: Built, Made, Did, Am. DNS did nothing but have other corps who already owned everything join him. My statement isn't nit picking, I spoke with him on teamspeak, he thinks he speaks for the whole community and knows what the player base as a whole wants but he only consults his ceos/directors, he doesn't care about the community, only his community. All it comes down too is: DNS Black is not Dust Savvy, period. He has no clue what's going on in the game or what the community as a whole wants. If he wants to control MH and do his thing fine. If he wants to run for CSM and represent people, he needs to ******* listen to what the community is saying and not just the people in his alliance. Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in. Side note. He ruined Darth Vader, Darth Vader would never say gobbled. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
SoTasLost Property Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:33:00 - [39] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: 1st let me highlight DNS Blacks strong points so I don't sound completely bias. He makes a point about New Eden being about making personal connections and finding passion. He is well spoken in his presentations at fanfest, he has accomplished a great deal. Now do I despise him? No How I feel: RA and NF did all the work, and I'm tired of hearing how many times he says "I" before the words: Built, Made, Did, Am. DNS did nothing but have other corps who already owned everything join him. My statement isn't nit picking, I spoke with him on teamspeak, he thinks he speaks for the whole community and knows what the player base as a whole wants but he only consults his ceos/directors, he doesn't care about the community, only his community. All it comes down too is: DNS Black is not Dust Savvy, period. He has no clue what's going on in the game or what the community as a whole wants. If he wants to control MH and do his thing fine. If he wants to run for CSM and represent people, he needs to ******* listen to what the community is saying and not just the people in his alliance. Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in. Side note. He ruined Darth Vader, Darth Vader would never say gobbled. Black is very misguided about Dust's metasphere, community, how we communicate and interact with each other, and what generally goes on around here. On that I cannot argue. I am not happy with him myself for that podcast, and if he hadn't listened to us Dusters when we complained about what was said there HvLP would likely be clone packing DNS right now. He is not in control of DNS Dust side - us Dusters are. Of that, be assured. No way in hell am I going to let someone who doesn't even play our game speak on my behalf or tell me and my guys that we don't want community help or interaction. That's the furthest thing from the truth and our goals as DNS Dust side. And I think he's beginning to understand that, honestly. But is it too late to repair the damage he caused?
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2703	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:37:00 - [40] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: - PC was broken from the start - Cronos -> EoN. -> DNS. Once one alliance gets an advantage its becomes a snowball effect I'd disagree on the "Empires", I mean CRONOS had EoN to counter it, EoN had moderates and sane people to prevent the nuts who wanted 100%, and under both there were good fights to be had out side of their respective corps. How to Leave PC

General John Ripper 20403	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:43:00 - [41] - Quote LIFE RIPPER wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: This game reminds me of American citizens. Complain about problems of their country but do nothing to change it. Unless it involves signing an online petition or posting your complaint on twitter. Is this where I sign? Your mother lied to you, you are not my son. fk child support. Stop liking my posts!! Your killing me!!! Noo! Arrgghhh!!!
Slim Winning Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2014.04.23 20:45:00 - [42] - Quote At first I was against them. Just based on principal. However, now I'm all for it, because really, MH hasn't changed a bit. Those corps would still be holding a collective 95%. They simply allowed other corps to be in MH. Best summarized here in this awesome video I still don't think they'll get 100% by fanfest, if ever at all.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1701	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:50:00 - [43] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Things everyone can agree on: - This game has become stale - The veteran experience sucks as much as the new player experience (where to vets evolve to beyond pubs?) - PC was broken from the start - Cronos -> EoN. -> DNS. Once one alliance gets an advantage its becomes a snowball effect - Its CCPs job to decide where to go from here, not the players. While many might not believe in the stated mission of 100% MH, I would hope that they realize that the mechanics behind PC are utterly flawed and that the situation will always favor the corp/alliance that can put the best 16 on the field the most regularly which has nothing to do with actual war at all. There are no alternative tactics that smaller corps can use to try to carve out their own niche. There is no war of attrition where it comes down to who is willing to risk more resources. If CCP spent more effort on PC rather than just stapling pub matches onto a star map, this might not be an issue. So, if you believe DNS' campaign is hot air, that is fine and your right. But at least raise your voices to CCP that its their lack of depth and foresight that caused this and will continue to cause it. I think that is the most intelligently stated facts from a DNS member explaining the situation yet, well said... CEO Whiskey squad leader Once Bitten Twice Shy....
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3369	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:01:00 - [44] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in. Actually the pursuit of 100% has worked wonders in pushing the dialogue forward with CCP in terms of discussing balanced hot fixes to Planetary Conquest 1.0; specifically addressing clones packs and addressing passive ISK. It's one thing to talk about how a system is broken it is quite another to hold the system in front of someone throw it on the ground and then step on it repeatedly while shouting, "Do you understand now?!" Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Moorian Flav 217	Posted - 2014.04.24 01:20:00 - [45] - Quote This is what I love about the Spero; when PC gets changed, DNS (and Spero) can say "Look what we did.". Doesn't/Won't matter that what's going on in PC now is more than likely just an excuse to farm ISK as CCP has already reported they have been working on PC 2.0 (back in October): Quote: CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 3,647 #5 Posted: 2013.10.13 16:43 Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1388504#post1388504 I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "the anti-propaganda machine".
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3372	Posted - 2014.04.24 01:54:00 - [46] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: This is what I love about the Spero; when PC gets changed, DNS (and Spero) can say "Look what we did.". Doesn't/Won't matter that what's going on in PC now is more than likely just an excuse to farm ISK as CCP has already reported they have been working on PC 2.0 (back in October): Quote: CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 3,647 #5 Posted: 2013.10.13 16:43 Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1388504#post1388504 Again, you are making a quote about PC 2.0 while I'm talking about hotfixes to PC 1.0. I think I must have just imagined that meeting with CCP that the CPM had recently where PC 1.0 hotfixes were the specific topic. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 174	Posted - 2014.04.24 02:02:00 - [47] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: This is what I love about the Spero; when PC gets changed, DNS (and Spero) can say "Look what we did.". Doesn't/Won't matter that what's going on in PC now is more than likely just an excuse to farm ISK as CCP has already reported they have been working on PC 2.0 (back in October): Quote: CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 3,647 #5 Posted: 2013.10.13 16:43 Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1388504#post1388504 Well if you watched the eve Vegas stream they spoke about the changes coming in 2014 including pc 2.0 which they said they have talked in detail with the cpms. So he most certainly knows what's coming mechanics whise. It is very interesting that they are positioning themselves for PC 2.0 . Kane certainely knows when it is going drop most certainly after fan fest. The question is him being the self proclaimed ring leader of this move to take over molden heath right before they open up more space, did he knowingly use his knowledge to make this happen? Their is much going on behind the scenes.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 2065	Posted - 2014.04.24 02:43:00 - [48] - Quote SHOOOOTER wrote: Moorian Flav wrote: This is what I love about the Spero; when PC gets changed, DNS (and Spero) can say "Look what we did.". Doesn't/Won't matter that what's going on in PC now is more than likely just an excuse to farm ISK as CCP has already reported they have been working on PC 2.0 (back in October): Quote: CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 3,647 #5 Posted: 2013.10.13 16:43 Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1388504#post1388504 Well if you watched the eve Vegas stream they spoke about the changes coming in 2014 including pc 2.0 which they said they have talked in detail with the cpms. So he most certainly knows what's coming mechanics whise. It is very interesting that they are positioning themselves for PC 2.0 . Kane certainely knows when it is going drop most certainly after fan fest. The question is him being the self proclaimed ring leader of this move to take over molden heath right before they open up more space, did he knowingly use his knowledge to make this happen? Their is much going on behind the scenes. The real question is how much did that tin foil hat cost? ISK Donuts are delicious Q_Q Moar
SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 174	Posted - 2014.04.24 03:09:00 - [49] - Quote At least I'm not blind to daddy Kane, guess who is the first corp that gets booted when it all goes south? FA. And I always wear my tinfoil under a hat. http://www.marfdrat.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tin-foil-hat-mug-shot.jpg
Darth Threatius Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 56	Posted - 2014.04.24 03:22:00 - [50] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in. Actually the pursuit of 100% has worked wonders in pushing the dialogue forward with CCP in terms of discussing balanced hot fixes to Planetary Conquest 1.0; specifically addressing clones packs and addressing passive ISK. It's one thing to talk about how a system is broken. It is quite another to hold the system in front of someone throw it on the ground and then step on it repeatedly while shouting, "Do you understand now?!" I'm not sure how CCP can fix or prevent the corps owning the most districts all joining up in one alliance and expecting non-district owners to attack them with clone packs. Until the corps within DNS start attacking each other PC will be viewed as pathetic by the majority of the community. PS time for a new CPM This could be a picture that you could look at yet now you're wasting your time reading this.

Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 461	Posted - 2014.04.24 09:06:00 - [51] - Quote SoTasLost Property wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: 1st let me highlight DNS Blacks strong points so I don't sound completely bias. He makes a point about New Eden being about making personal connections and finding passion. He is well spoken in his presentations at fanfest, he has accomplished a great deal. Now do I despise him? No How I feel: RA and NF did all the work, and I'm tired of hearing how many times he says "I" before the words: Built, Made, Did, Am. DNS did nothing but have other corps who already owned everything join him. My statement isn't nit picking, I spoke with him on teamspeak, he thinks he speaks for the whole community and knows what the player base as a whole wants but he only consults his ceos/directors, he doesn't care about the community, only his community. All it comes down too is: DNS Black is not Dust Savvy, period. He has no clue what's going on in the game or what the community as a whole wants. If he wants to control MH and do his thing fine. If he wants to run for CSM and represent people, he needs to ******* listen to what the community is saying and not just the people in his alliance. Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in. Side note. He ruined Darth Vader, Darth Vader would never say gobbled. Black is very misguided about Dust's metasphere, community, how we communicate and interact with each other, and what generally goes on around here. On that I cannot argue. I am not happy with him myself for that podcast, and if he hadn't listened to us Dusters when we complained about what was said there HvLP would likely be clone packing DNS right now. He is not in control of DNS Dust side - us Dusters are. Of that, be assured. No way in hell am I going to let someone who doesn't even play our game speak on my behalf or tell me and my guys that we don't want community help or interaction. That's the furthest thing from the truth and our goals as DNS Dust side. And I think he's beginning to understand that, honestly. But is it too late to repair the damage he caused? Kane is doing pretty good damage control, DNS could sponsor tournaments and host them, but to gain actual community support, they need to ditch the name with the tournament. Dirt Nap League? no. Dust 514 Open Dust Alliance Tournament Thunderdome anyone of those would do miles of work, Kane's thunderdome project had at least some community support if not quite a bit. Dirt Nap League...I can't name one person that supports that that isn't in DNS, I could however name people in DNS that think it's stupid. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2006	Posted - 2014.04.24 12:20:00 - [52] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Moorian Flav wrote: This is what I love about the Spero; when PC gets changed, DNS (and Spero) can say "Look what we did.". Doesn't/Won't matter that what's going on in PC now is more than likely just an excuse to farm ISK as CCP has already reported they have been working on PC 2.0 (back in October): Quote: CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 3,647 #5 Posted: 2013.10.13 16:43 Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1388504#post1388504 Again, you are making a quote about PC 2.0 while I'm talking about hotfixes to PC 1.0. I think I must have just imagined that meeting with CCP that the CPM had recently where PC 1.0 hotfixes were the specific topic. Isn't that a little bit disingenuous, Kain? After all, the ISK isn't going to disappear, afaik. So while the implementation of the blue donut is good for PC mechanics in the long run(we hope), any improvements there are being bought at the cost of an ISK imbalance that is ultimately having a negative impact on the other game modes, and will continue to have a negative impact into the forseeable future. I think, egos/epeen aside, that is the underlying concern of the majority of DUST players who are aware of the issue. If DNS was a class act, it would put the isk aside until it could be put back into the community in a meaningful way, or be destroyed. Imo the extreme polarization of wealth generated by DNS's donut is yet another opportunity for us to fix game design. When integration with EVE happens DUST's game design must such that it can accomodate huge disparities in wealth without breaking gameplay. That's a tough order for a lobby shooter and is going to take hard work and tears to iron out. I support SP rollover.
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2014.04.24 12:34:00 - [53] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: I think, egos/epeen aside, that is the underlying concern of the majority of DUST players who are aware of the issue. If DNS was a class act, it would put the isk aside until it could be put back into the community in a meaningful way, or be destroyed. I think you have missed a few thousand years of human history.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2006	Posted - 2014.04.24 13:17:00 - [54] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: I think, egos/epeen aside, that is the underlying concern of the majority of DUST players who are aware of the issue. If DNS was a class act, it would put the isk aside until it could be put back into the community in a meaningful way, or be destroyed. I think you have missed a few thousand years of human history. You did make me lol, thanks for that. But still, we do remember the rare class acts from history, and they go on on to inspire peeps for millenia. This is a single shard virtual universe and peeps have a long memory. Classy or trashy, it'll be an interesting legacy/reputation for the peeps who are a part of DNS. I support SP rollover.
SoLJae Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 572	Posted - 2014.04.24 14:16:00 - [55] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Stiddlefaxq wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: I think, egos/epeen aside, that is the underlying concern of the majority of DUST players who are aware of the issue. If DNS was a class act, it would put the isk aside until it could be put back into the community in a meaningful way, or be destroyed. I think you have missed a few thousand years of human history. You did make me lol, thanks for that. But still, we do remember the rare class acts from history, and they go on on to inspire peeps for millenia. This is a single shard virtual universe and peeps have a long memory. Classy or trashy, it'll be an interesting legacy/reputation for the peeps who are a part of DNS. I'm no genius, but I suspect that socialist theory has no place in this WAR game. I always laugh at these reoccurring ideas that some how this or that thing is killing the game of DUST 514. For example, over time, players have said that the overabundance of ARs, the prevalence of tanks, the tactic of AFKing or district locking would destroy this game and that players would leave, the game would die, but it never happens. The players always come back, CCP adapts, and the addictions continue. And Vrain, what honorable, blood-thirsty mercenary, would EVER destroy his/her pile of isk? Did you really suggest such a thing lol? Are we really gonna clamor for more carebears in Dust? Let's keep the WAR in this war game and put our boots on the neck of socialism in DUST 514.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 260	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:23:00 - [56] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: First, DNS never built anything in Dust, NF and RA were already working together, DNS just swooped in EVE side, their original alliance brought nothing to the table for DUST, they just took the best, that's it. Ownership was already in their hands for the most part. FA abandoned TSO's alliance and surrendered their districts to them. Second, Unite New Eden. DNS isn't even capable of doing that, what a load of **, they don't hold any SOV, their leader is purely focused on turning DUST into some sort of stupid sport, he said in his podcast he doesn't care about the community Third, you can not be serious about supporting DNS after that podcast, I can almost guarantee the only reason the DUST people are with them is for their EVE support, especially since DNS never offered anything but EVE support (That's all they had before they got RA and NF members to join them). Fourth, that's not a neutral view so much as it is an ignorant view. One need only listen to DNS Black's podcast. Since this seems somewhat like a reply to my posts so far I will share my thoughts. First: yes the alliance itself wasn't much at first however it was corporations like AE who are now DNS. My point was those corporations are now DNS so it is they're will to follow &/or guide DNS which is what they are choosing currently to do so far. 2nd: Never said it was 110% that they could unite New Eden just that they had a better chance to, then others past. However if you read my 1st opening post to where I said what will most likely happen then you'd know that I believe that it's unlikely they will unite New Eden, but still the possiblity for them to do so or try to do so is indeed their. They're choice. 3rd: Neutral & see reply 1&2 above. The Dust people are their for serveral reasons, regarding to neccesity, power, & somewhat CCP but I am not 110% sure of the exact inside details. But that's nearly** another matter. 4th: It is neutral as it favors no one in particular, I tried going around each angle as much as possible so it can be more open to thought. Ingorance & naiveness is fine to a point so long as it is not consuming. If you think ONLY logically then you can NOT explain the big bang, how life exists, let alone how intelligent life exists. It's all vastly unexplained, we all know the hundreds of "coincedences" that must happen for life to form & the truth is those questions may never be answered.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 260	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:37:00 - [57] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in. Actually the pursuit of 100% has worked wonders in pushing the dialogue forward with CCP in terms of discussing balanced hot fixes to Planetary Conquest 1.0; specifically addressing clones packs and addressing passive ISK. It's one thing to talk about how a system is broken. It is quite another to hold the system in front of someone throw it on the ground and then step on it repeatedly while shouting, "Do you understand now?!" Thank You CPM for coming to discuss this matter. From what I heard, DNS took MH to show CCP just how flawed it was, & I agree (if that's true) then they took MH for a good reason. That aside I agree with Kain, 2.0 is 1 thing but it will not matter if fixes are not made very soon. As we all know PC is very broke & was not very thought through. And as I said in my opening post - DNS has many things ranging from the top players to billions of ISK & etc. That means any new corporations enter PC literally have a unfair start. New corporations have next to nothing to swing it towards them in getting a planet or district. No smart tactical out-witting the larger enemy with gurreilla like methods, no drones to buy to help you fight them, no alot of top players, no billions of ISK, etc. All small corporations remotely have is negotation. And I highly doubt negotiating to get a single district will be easy. Then once you have it you not only need to accept the terms & conditions as well as having they're blessing but you also need they're protection. When 2.0 came smaller corporations had hoped that with multiple constallations opening to PC would be the perfect chance to get into PC themselves. At the start it'll be chaos but eventually, due to the mega corporations being spread thin with members & ISK over the vast space, would simply expand & contract. Allowing new corporations to go on to be whatever. However.... that may not happen sadly due to this 100% MH thing. Because by the time 2.0 actually comes they will have held MH long enough to be ready to take 1-2 more constallations. Hence 1 reason why fixes are needed immediately.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 260	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:55:00 - [58] - Quote Darth Threatius wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in. Actually the pursuit of 100% has worked wonders in pushing the dialogue forward with CCP in terms of discussing balanced hot fixes to Planetary Conquest 1.0; specifically addressing clones packs and addressing passive ISK. It's one thing to talk about how a system is broken. It is quite another to hold the system in front of someone throw it on the ground and then step on it repeatedly while shouting, "Do you understand now?!" I'm not sure how CCP can fix or prevent the corps owning the most districts all joining up in one alliance and expecting non-district owners to attack them with clone packs. Until the corps within DNS start attacking each other PC will be viewed as pathetic by the majority of the community. PS time for a new CPM Thank you from stating that btw. These statements point to how broke PC is. The only thing I can think of to fix this is to expand PC & give new corporations some kind of advantage or atleast something to level the feild. Drones might help but it'll need more then just that perhaps. I do believe 1 primary concern at this time by many people is what will DNS be choosing to do. It'll be a big task for CCP indeed to fix all this, in all fairness to them.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United Caps and Mercs 244	Posted - 2014.04.24 20:29:00 - [59] - Quote SoLJae wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Stiddlefaxq wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: I think, egos/epeen aside, that is the underlying concern of the majority of DUST players who are aware of the issue. If DNS was a class act, it would put the isk aside until it could be put back into the community in a meaningful way, or be destroyed. I think you have missed a few thousand years of human history. You did make me lol, thanks for that. But still, we do remember the rare class acts from history, and they go on on to inspire peeps for millenia. This is a single shard virtual universe and peeps have a long memory. Classy or trashy, it'll be an interesting legacy/reputation for the peeps who are a part of DNS. I'm no genius, but I suspect that socialist theory has no place in this WAR game. I always laugh at these reoccurring ideas that some how this or that thing is killing the game of DUST 514. For example, over time, players have said that the overabundance of ARs, the prevalence of tanks, the tactic of AFKing or district locking would destroy this game and that players would leave, the game would die, but it never happens. The players always come back, CCP adapts, and the addictions continue. And Vrain, what honorable, blood-thirsty mercenary, would EVER destroy his/her pile of isk? Did you really suggest such a thing lol? Are we really gonna clamor for more carebears in Dust? Let's keep the WAR in this war game and put our boots on the neck of socialism in DUST 514. You are part of the short sighted band of player that makes the entire eve online game universe looks like retards. If Eve was easier to get into and Dust had better player retention mechanics and safety nets for player ISK disparities and Skill point disparities, CCP would make more money, there would be more players playing in the sand box and all other very good advantages of a big player base. The "get gud" mentality of the smaller part of players banding together exploiting the bugs that WILL cause problems for the DEVs pose a threat to the both games. Its like your afraid of letting new players into dust. Are you afraid more players could get better at the game and threaten your self esteem ? Do you feel threatened by players playing Candy crush saga at night ? Seriously Ive known elitist people like you for the last 30 years in the table top RPG world, board game world and video game world and you my friend are spot on elitist. I support part of your movement but I also think that we should be able to play Dust with all the same opportunities. Right now this 100% ISK generating machine is making proto stomping players leave Dust right after the Academy. The Step is too high, all the people I introduced to Dust left, how many opportunities money wise is lost by CCP here. In a sense its sad, because CCP is stuck with people like you so they have to catter to your personality type, so they cant make carebear mechanics either cause you think its "socialist". The closest thing that comes to mind when representing this community and the dev's responsability to you is a mental institute, they know they have to do something but I think they dont know how to fix them and with good reasons ! I listened to DNSBlack, and ouf.....he's a total ****** that thinks he can effectively change the mindset of CCP by himself and dictate their development schedule, he seriously lack knowledge of Game production pipeline, they cant steer a 10,000 ton boat on a whim ! Anyhow, I am seriously wondering whats next, very curious design wise. I am a game dev myself and I'm learning so much from this community and how CCP handles things :)
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 263	Posted - 2014.04.28 19:53:00 - [60] - Quote Very much agreed & my apologies for my late response as I have been away doing some matters. This goes all the way to why the real world has so much trouble. The classic 99% vs the 1%. Recently I read something CCP spoke of that at first Dust 514 looked like a huge success with so many players coming & staying. But now many of those have left, hardly any new come, & those that are new don't stay long. Therefore CCP is forced to care to the needs of it's most loyal customers, namely proto stompers. Which it's good to care for your customers but this is a odd case. This leads to much of new stuff for Dust & it advancing getting highly pushed back to a later date. Also in some games, they are good because no gun is better then that gun much. All AR's are equal & fire the same amount of DMG, AR's shoot as all AR's shoot & all pistols shoot like pistols shoot. In Dust however their are "teirs" (up to Level 5 & then some) that take awhile to get to & proto does WAY better then militia obviously. Not to mention Dust has a silly "flavor of the month" nonesense of what is most OP at the time. From laser rifles to flaylocks to AR's to Rails to shotguns, etc. everything gets buffed, nurfed, then rebuffed - repeat. When CCP could of had it balanced at start & instead of looking at buffs/nurfs be looking at better game maps as a example with weather effects or whatever. Which this all leads to people complaining about respecs - Clone Forum Merc #1: "Oh I skilled into proto AR off the bat which took sometime because it was OP now's it was nurfed because it was OP & people whinned when they couldn't "get good" now I can't get the next OP thing." Stupid foolishness like that. Is some of the issue. PS: However simple solution to respec complaints is make a respec opition that respecs EVERYTHING, a merc can pay say 5-10 million (just as a example) to be able to respec everything.

Moorian Flav 230	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:53:00 - [61] - Quote Everyone knows PC is broken. It's been broken for quite some time and has been prior to DNS. That is all too obvious at this point. What I do not understand is instead of disabling/hiding the broken mode known as PC, CCP lets the mode continue to remain up where those owning districts can farm ISK unimpeded. I do not know any other developer besides CCP that would let a broken mode remain functioning especially for as long as this has and though the numerous complaints throughout the community. I thought CCP was smarter than this but I have been proven incorrect. Of course, I disagree with more than just PC with how CCP has handled DUST. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2230	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:11:00 - [62] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Someone drank all the damn Kool-Aid..... Trying to get precious likes by being the 1st to make a snappy come back? Reflect deeply on this becuase it will affect Dust. I couldn't give a stiff wet fart about likes. I just can't believe how gullible some people in this community can be. can a fart be stiff and wet? it's just that, I imagine the liquidity of a wet fart would resemble something more loose, and slippery.... easy going kind of like turning your rectum into a warm, muddy waterslide.... is it just me, or am I on to something here? this game makes me sad....
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 837	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:41:00 - [63] - Quote This post is as neutral as Fox news. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
KaoticKrusader 0uter.Heaven 76	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:10:00 - [64] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: This post is as neutral as Fox news. As oppose to MSNBC,CNN,ABC..... Heaven sent and Hell proof
Nomed Deeps 328	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:14:00 - [65] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Everyone knows PC is broken. It's been broken for quite some time and has been prior to DNS. That is all too obvious at this point. What I do not understand is instead of disabling/hiding the broken mode known as PC, CCP lets the mode continue to remain up where those owning districts can farm ISK unimpeded. I do not know any other developer besides CCP that would let a broken mode remain functioning especially for as long as this has and through the numerous complaints throughout the community. I thought CCP was smarter than this but I have been proven incorrect. Of course, I disagree with more than just PC when it comes to how CCP has handled DUST. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 269	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:42:00 - [66] - Quote My fellow mercenaries, it seems the worst case scenario is upon us. As I feared, it will not end well for anyone. Dust 514 - Is no more. FanFeast & CCP has basically annouced it. I have long followed Dust (Not as long or as deeply as others admitted) but I have for over a year. I didn't expect Dust 514 to stay on PS3 however I DID expect a PS4 cross-over eventually. But it would seem that is not to be till anounced other-wise, the current Dust won't remain either as it's all going to PC. I stayed due to the game itself & it's potential assured to us by CCP since prior to Dust Beta. I was very eager for FanFeast expecting to hear about new MCC's, PVE, weather effects, etc. - but NOT this. I am console mainly PS4 Dust 514 was what I was waiting for. But that is gone as I said till annouced other-wise. This will utterly destroy the small fan base their is unless CCP changes. No one is going to get a new PC &/or PS4 then pay possible subscription fees on 2-3 fronts. Where are OUR apointed CPM's when we need them, CPM1? PFFT - and where are our DEV's what do they have to say about this? But I digress somewhat to our original topic.... DNS you were NOT the only cause to this (other factors had a play also don't forget EON. & cronos or whatever) so do not take it to hard besides no need for finger pointing harly matters now anyway. It was this terrible community Dust has for the most part as well as many other factors but I believe DNS was partially one. You took MH & the game somewhat to show CCP how broke it was & how it needed fixed. A good deed relatively yes. You succeeded however CCP missed the point & instead took it as "This game is DEAD - moving on." I knew CCP had issues in the care department but THIS is just.... betrayal. Oh wait what does this remind me of something.... [CCP To ALL Dust players: Welcome To New Eden!] Congradulations Dust community the point was made. Was the proto stomping, murdering of New player experience, breaking of the game, unfairness being pushed, back-stabbing, wars, precious ISK, the pain, friendships lost, planets gained, FW cheating, scamming, Mega corporation dictatorship, real life money, self absorbness, KDR, all worth it to the end so much so it destroyed the game itself? I suggest to all to be giving your respects to the game the community destroyed while you all still can. Indeed I fore-warned of the possible costs for a long time yet very few listened.
Moorian Flav 252	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:58:00 - [67] - Quote Now do you all believe that Spero is full of sh!t? Quote: Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. Likes received: 3,403 #46 Posted: 2014.04.24 01:54 \| Report Like 3 Quote: Moorian Flav wrote: This is what I love about the Spero; when PC gets changed, DNS (and Spero) can say "Look what we did.". Doesn't/Won't matter that what's going on in PC now is more than likely just an excuse to farm ISK as CCP has already reported they have been working on PC 2.0 (back in October): Quote: Quote: CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 3,647 #5 Posted: 2013.10.13 16:43 Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1388504#post1388504 Again, you are making a quote about PC 2.0 while I'm talking about hotfixes to PC 1.0. I think I must have just imagined that meeting with CCP that the CPM had recently where PC 1.0 hotfixes were the specific topic. Then again, he could of be telling the truth when he "imagined" those meetings. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 270	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:03:00 - [68] - Quote Indeed


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