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Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:32:00 -
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This is merely a outsider looking from a neutral point. It is not meant to offend or lead to arguement. The post is meant to form thought & fair debate. This is only speculation, observation, & a few facts. I have friends in & outside DNS personally. Thank You.
That aside allow me to begin. From what I was told why DNS took Molden Heath it was a good reason. And in all truthfulness PC led to wars & friends being broke apart, infact with less PC perhaps smaller corporations can get around more. This is NOT a moment to fear just yet. This is a moment Dust decides what it is here & now.
DNS you have the choice to be the best thing to ever hit Dust. A better choice then all alliances before such as EON. or some others. Beating the game itself by uniting us & thus doing the impossible - A United New Eden!?
You can unite us & lead Dust down a stable path to be a good game with a great & better community.
Or you can ripe yourself apart & literally destroy Dust itself quite possibly if not correctly handled which is the WORST case scenario.
You may choose to do nothing & enjoy the spot but eventually the choice will come rather DNS likes it or not I believe.
Currenlty no one can really oppose DNS nor ever at the moment. That means ONLY DNS can handle DNS. DNS has the planets, DNS has the top best active players, DNS has the system, DNS has the influence, DNS has the allies, & DNS has the precious ISK.
It'll come to the good, bad, & neutral in DNS having to handle each-other. And it is the bad people I worry most about if anything because they'll lead to the following I will state shortly. For their are bad, good, & neutral people everywhere. Not just in DNS mind you.
Those are the facts.
From that we can gather glimpses of possible outcomes.... Though it may not be the goal or desire of DNS it may happen.
I will state the most likely from what I see in my opinion: With DNS having it's new found post members (Not All) in DNS will take advantage of the situation. Situation being - DNS the primary power of the time. They'll be jerks to anyone not DNS believing they are lesser & scrubs, if they oppose the wrong doing they'll just say "Welcome To New Eden" as the Dust community has foolishly accepted & started saying.
With no real opponents they'll become bored & where is all that ISK, eager members & proto fits to go? Why, only 2 places (7 places to be exact) - Pubs & FW. This'll lead to why I believe it MIGHT (though unlikely) may begin to break Dust. No one will oppose them much but themselves in time. So they'll proto stomp & unfairly crush the majority of people be they new or veteran. With the massive ISK it'll be nothing to loose 7 proto dropships, 5 proto Tanks, & 25 proto fits as they'll have billions.
The good will try to stabalize it & they'll do things like TDome events in PC's, sticking up for corporations not in DNS, running trainning PC's, getting DNS on the right path to unite Dust. But the bad are chaos & that'll go against what they want so they'll give them a hard time in they're efforts.
But it'll leak from DNS into pubs & other corporations. With time DNS will grow apart with the neaural being torn from friends, good & bad DNS making sides.
Then it'll lead to betrayal &/or civil war with the group breaking. Sending massive shockwaves everywhere which will last years. Even if DNS falls only some groups will have power & needless to say it'll be bad. If Dust isn't destroyed by the insanity. Not to mention outside groups will jump in the party.
However if it is handle right it may fall with considerable less ruin.
Or will DNS defie Dust & do the impossible - truely making a United New Eden. Only time will tell with the following choices that DNS makes.
I only hope it ends well for everyone be they DNS or no.... |
Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:41:00 -
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Indeed it has become a phrase for wrong doing in Dust I hope DNS can change the maning of it to where & when someone says "Welcome To New Eden" it'll be something good, nostalgic & welcoming to the community instead of something to push people away. |
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:49:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Someone drank all the damn Kool-Aid.....
Trying to get precious likes by being the 1st to make a snappy come back? Reflect deeply on this becuase it will affect Dust. |
Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:58:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Vinsarrow wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:Someone drank all the damn Kool-Aid..... Trying to get precious likes by being the 1st to make a snappy come back? Reflect deeply on this becuase it will affect Dust. I couldn't give a stiff wet fart about likes. I just can't believe how gullible some people in this community can be.
Says the guy with 1000+ likes, well no matter. Are you here to debate or state some logical thoughts or not? If not go think a little, reflect then maybe come back. Thank You. |
Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:07:00 -
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I do not plan to reply again to a ranter. This is the last time I will acknowledge your nonesense.
Obviously you didn't read my 1st sentence & I am neutral as last i checked i'm on no 1's side nor am I a great oh so powerful mega corporation.
Begone, this is a place for thought & debate not colorful war room hating. With cursing & snappy comebacks. |
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Posted - 2014.04.21 23:07:00 -
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Ty all for proving my exact point about the community & sincee this post has not been moved it is fine 4 the war room, forbid i write smething good & debateable. Funny only certain people show up 2 destroy it before it begins to actually make people think. Therefore i willn no longer just ingore a certain person, i will only notice those tslking logicslly.
Let others have thry're say people known and not well known in a civil mannar before coming here ll high and mighty to troll before others who's voices u deny hav a say.
Thank You. |
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Posted - 2014.04.22 18:48:00 -
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yep derrith again wrote:One more thing Vin, and don't take this insultingly. Your statements are WAY too long. Few (emphasis on few, some exist) true war room vets will actually read all that unless you add at the beginning there will be fart jokes. Even then, I can't bring myself to read more than four paragraphs, and I'm pretty much your average joe war room vet.
Not trying to be a douche, but just for future reference.
Lol my apologies i jump around sometimes trying to touch base on everything & I tend to make long, I like a thorough explaination when discussing matters of imporatance so I try to add detail which ends up making it a tad long. Also ty for the advice & no offence taken. |
Vinsarrow
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Posted - 2014.04.22 18:54:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Things everyone can agree on: - This game has become stale - The veteran experience sucks as much as the new player experience (where to vets evolve to beyond pubs?) - PC was broken from the start - Cronos -> EoN. -> DNS. Once one alliance gets an advantage its becomes a snowball effect - Its CCPs job to decide where to go from here, not the players.
While many might not believe in the stated mission of 100% MH, I would hope that they realize that the mechanics behind PC are utterly flawed and that the situation will always favor the corp/alliance that can put the best 16 on the field the most regularly which has nothing to do with actual war at all. There are no alternative tactics that smaller corps can use to try to carve out their own niche. There is no war of attrition where it comes down to who is willing to risk more resources.
If CCP spent more effort on PC rather than just stapling pub matches onto a star map, this might not be an issue.
So, if you believe DNS' campaign is hot air, that is fine and your right. But at least raise your voices to CCP that its their lack of depth and foresight that caused this and will continue to cause it.
First off ty for coming to share your thoughts in a civil & logical mannar.
The 1st 4 things I agree with on all of them.
Also that's true & I wanted to incorporate that PC is indeed a broke system currently & perhaps with-out it till PC gets better, can MAYBE be a good thing for everyone.
Their is nothing small corps can do & it's extremely unbalanced. I once though that maybe Drones can be bought to help to defend a District or something. Giving smaller corporations atleast something.
I also agree this is highly a issue due to CCP's lack of effort put into PC. DNS has aply proven this by taking alot of MH. |
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Posted - 2014.04.22 18:59:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."
To a casual player like myself, there doesn't seem to be any difference between DNS and those that came before it--namely, the same small core of a few dozen players of that can dominate an entire game mode vs. hundreds/thousands of other players.
Exactly, 1 problem is no top active players leave the next big thing spotlght & go to smaller corporations. They all tend to migrate to the same place once the past one falls. Hence why I said even if DNS falls it'll still be left to a select top few corporations anyway. The truth is: Their is NO new player experience at all in Dust.
If you don't know people, haven't stayed long & aren't in the right place this game can be terrible. Not to mention if you try to befriend some (not all) of the Dust community, you'll get that all too familiar "Welcome To New Eden" phrase that I spoke on before. |
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:01:00 -
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The-Beard wrote:Vinsarrow wrote:
With no real opponents they'll become bored & where is all that ISK, eager members & proto fits to go? Why, only 2 places (7 places to be exact) - Pubs & FW. This'll lead to why I believe it MIGHT (though unlikely) may begin to break Dust. No one will oppose them much but themselves in time. So they'll proto stomp & unfairly crush the majority of people be they new or veteran. With the massive ISK it'll be nothing to loose 7 proto dropships, 5 proto Tanks, & 25 proto fits as they'll have billions.
TP did this in match I was in. They were on the enemy side and my team didn't really get stomp'd or unfairly crushed. The map was manis peak and we had the side with the ridge. For the first time I saw a python get used like a trash viper, they flew it right into the ridge crashing it, jumped out and tried to take the hill. They kept bringing in maddys which we kept popping with RE's and in the end we got clone'd out. They had 2 or 3 clones left, very close match. Out of the 6 TP in that match only 2 had better then 1 kdr. It was pretty fun match. Granted TP did lose millions of isk to win a pub which is kinda funny and sad at the same time (funny that they lost it, sad that it didn't matter). I don't see the point of playing a game on easy mode. Like a tranny in TJ, give it to me rough, dirty and bare back Shout out to Fusion and unique1ID.. you both did carry the team with your kills and those perfect OB's Fusion laid down. I just wish I got some wp for those scans, picture a cloaked scout running circles in the middle of an enemy mob while being shot at and screaming to Fusion "drop it, DROP IT. DROP THE OB! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DROP THE F*CKING OB!" with him saying "ya, ya wait just a minute...AHHH! getting shot at! (shotgun goes off) ok, just a sec gotta find a safe spot AHHHH!! (shut gun goes off) ok, bringing it up " To give you an image. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOlTONos9lkYa, Fusion was willie and the bugs were the enemy. Although unique isn't short round... he doesn't like to get himself into interesting situations like I do. Either way /golf clap to TP for a fun match.
Indeed i've noticed that it has already happened faster then thought. It'll be hitting Pubs & FW harder over time. |
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Posted - 2014.04.24 18:23:00 -
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Spartacus Dust wrote:First, DNS never built anything in Dust, NF and RA were already working together, DNS just swooped in EVE side, their original alliance brought nothing to the table for DUST, they just took the best, that's it. Ownership was already in their hands for the most part. FA abandoned TSO's alliance and surrendered their districts to them.
Second, Unite New Eden. DNS isn't even capable of doing that, what a load of ****, they don't hold any SOV, their leader is purely focused on turning DUST into some sort of stupid sport, he said in his podcast he doesn't care about the community
Third, you can not be serious about supporting DNS after that podcast, I can almost guarantee the only reason the DUST people are with them is for their EVE support, especially since DNS never offered anything but EVE support (That's all they had before they got RA and NF members to join them).
Fourth, that's not a neutral view so much as it is an ignorant view. One need only listen to DNS Black's podcast.
Since this seems somewhat like a reply to my posts so far I will share my thoughts.
First: yes the alliance itself wasn't much at first however it was corporations like AE who are now DNS. My point was those corporations are now DNS so it is they're will to follow &/or guide DNS which is what they are choosing currently to do so far.
2nd: Never said it was 110% that they could unite New Eden just that they had a better chance to, then others past. However if you read my 1st opening post to where I said what will most likely happen then you'd know that I believe that it's unlikely they will unite New Eden, but still the possiblity for them to do so or try to do so is indeed their. They're choice.
3rd: Neutral & see reply 1&2 above. The Dust people are their for serveral reasons, regarding to neccesity, power, & somewhat CCP but I am not 110% sure of the exact inside details. But that's nearly another matter.
4th: It is neutral as it favors no one in particular, I tried going around each angle as much as possible so it can be more open to thought. Ingorance & naiveness is fine to a point so long as it is not consuming. If you think ONLY logically then you can NOT explain the big bang, how life exists, let alone how intelligent life exists. It's all vastly unexplained, we all know the hundreds of "coincedences" that must happen for life to form & the truth is those questions may never be answered. |
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Posted - 2014.04.24 18:37:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote: Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in. Actually the pursuit of 100% has worked wonders in pushing the dialogue forward with CCP in terms of discussing balanced hot fixes to Planetary Conquest 1.0; specifically addressing clones packs and addressing passive ISK. It's one thing to talk about how a system is broken. It is quite another to hold the system in front of someone throw it on the ground and then step on it repeatedly while shouting, "Do you understand now?!"
Thank You CPM for coming to discuss this matter. From what I heard, DNS took MH to show CCP just how flawed it was, & I agree (if that's true) then they took MH for a good reason.
That aside I agree with Kain, 2.0 is 1 thing but it will not matter if fixes are not made very soon. As we all know PC is very broke & was not very thought through. And as I said in my opening post - DNS has many things ranging from the top players to billions of ISK & etc.
That means any new corporations enter PC literally have a unfair start. New corporations have next to nothing to swing it towards them in getting a planet or district. No smart tactical out-witting the larger enemy with gurreilla like methods, no drones to buy to help you fight them, no alot of top players, no billions of ISK, etc.
All small corporations remotely have is negotation. And I highly doubt negotiating to get a single district will be easy. Then once you have it you not only need to accept the terms & conditions as well as having they're blessing but you also need they're protection.
When 2.0 came smaller corporations had hoped that with multiple constallations opening to PC would be the perfect chance to get into PC themselves. At the start it'll be chaos but eventually, due to the mega corporations being spread thin with members & ISK over the vast space, would simply expand & contract. Allowing new corporations to go on to be whatever.
However.... that may not happen sadly due to this 100% MH thing. Because by the time 2.0 actually comes they will have held MH long enough to be ready to take 1-2 more constallations.
Hence 1 reason why fixes are needed immediately. |
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Posted - 2014.04.24 18:55:00 -
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Darth Threatius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote: Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in. Actually the pursuit of 100% has worked wonders in pushing the dialogue forward with CCP in terms of discussing balanced hot fixes to Planetary Conquest 1.0; specifically addressing clones packs and addressing passive ISK. It's one thing to talk about how a system is broken. It is quite another to hold the system in front of someone throw it on the ground and then step on it repeatedly while shouting, "Do you understand now?!" I'm not sure how CCP can fix or prevent the corps owning the most districts all joining up in one alliance and expecting non-district owners to attack them with clone packs. Until the corps within DNS start attacking each other PC will be viewed as pathetic by the majority of the community. PS time for a new CPM
Thank you from stating that btw. These statements point to how broke PC is. The only thing I can think of to fix this is to expand PC & give new corporations some kind of advantage or atleast something to level the feild. Drones might help but it'll need more then just that perhaps.
I do believe 1 primary concern at this time by many people is what will DNS be choosing to do.
It'll be a big task for CCP indeed to fix all this, in all fairness to them. |
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Posted - 2014.04.28 19:53:00 -
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Very much agreed & my apologies for my late response as I have been away doing some matters.
This goes all the way to why the real world has so much trouble. The classic 99% vs the 1%.
Recently I read something CCP spoke of that at first Dust 514 looked like a huge success with so many players coming & staying. But now many of those have left, hardly any new come, & those that are new don't stay long.
Therefore CCP is forced to care to the needs of it's most loyal customers, namely proto stompers. Which it's good to care for your customers but this is a odd case. This leads to much of new stuff for Dust & it advancing getting highly pushed back to a later date.
Also in some games, they are good because no gun is better then that gun much. All AR's are equal & fire the same amount of DMG, AR's shoot as all AR's shoot & all pistols shoot like pistols shoot. In Dust however their are "teirs" (up to Level 5 & then some) that take awhile to get to & proto does WAY better then militia obviously. Not to mention Dust has a silly "flavor of the month" nonesense of what is most OP at the time.
From laser rifles to flaylocks to AR's to Rails to shotguns, etc. everything gets buffed, nurfed, then rebuffed - repeat. When CCP could of had it balanced at start & instead of looking at buffs/nurfs be looking at better game maps as a example with weather effects or whatever.
Which this all leads to people complaining about respecs - Clone Forum Merc #1: "Oh I skilled into proto AR off the bat which took sometime because it was OP now's it was nurfed because it was OP & people whinned when they couldn't "get good" now I can't get the next OP thing."
Stupid foolishness like that. Is some of the issue.
PS: However simple solution to respec complaints is make a respec opition that respecs EVERYTHING, a merc can pay say 5-10 million (just as a example) to be able to respec everything. |
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:42:00 -
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My fellow mercenaries, it seems the worst case scenario is upon us. As I feared, it will not end well for anyone.
Dust 514 - Is no more. FanFeast & CCP has basically annouced it.
I have long followed Dust (Not as long or as deeply as others admitted) but I have for over a year. I didn't expect Dust 514 to stay on PS3 however I DID expect a PS4 cross-over eventually. But it would seem that is not to be till anounced other-wise, the current Dust won't remain either as it's all going to PC.
I stayed due to the game itself & it's potential assured to us by CCP since prior to Dust Beta. I was very eager for FanFeast expecting to hear about new MCC's, PVE, weather effects, etc. - but NOT this. I am console mainly PS4 Dust 514 was what I was waiting for. But that is gone as I said till annouced other-wise.
This will utterly destroy the small fan base their is unless CCP changes. No one is going to get a new PC &/or PS4 then pay possible subscription fees on 2-3 fronts. Where are OUR apointed CPM's when we need them, CPM1? PFFT - and where are our DEV's what do they have to say about this?
But I digress somewhat to our original topic....
DNS you were NOT the only cause to this (other factors had a play also don't forget EON. & cronos or whatever) so do not take it to hard besides no need for finger pointing harly matters now anyway.
It was this terrible community Dust has for the most part as well as many other factors but I believe DNS was partially one. You took MH & the game somewhat to show CCP how broke it was & how it needed fixed. A good deed relatively yes.
You succeeded however CCP missed the point & instead took it as "This game is DEAD - moving on." I knew CCP had issues in the care department but THIS is just.... betrayal. Oh wait what does this remind me of something.... [CCP To ALL Dust players: Welcome To New Eden!]
Congradulations Dust community the point was made. Was the proto stomping, murdering of New player experience, breaking of the game, unfairness being pushed, back-stabbing, wars, precious ISK, the pain, friendships lost, planets gained, FW cheating, scamming, Mega corporation dictatorship, real life money, self absorbness, KDR, all worth it to the end so much so it destroyed the game itself?
I suggest to all to be giving your respects to the game the community destroyed while you all still can.
Indeed I fore-warned of the possible costs for a long time yet very few listened. |
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:03:00 -
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