Wrong. the war was not over, rest of GTA was still fighting for their districts when FA and RND jumped ship.

One more thing Vin, and don't take this insultingly. Your statements are WAY too long. Few (emphasis on few, some exist) true war room vets will actually read all that unless you add at the beginning there will be fart jokes. Even then, I can't bring myself to read more than four paragraphs, and I'm pretty much your average joe war room vet.

Not trying to be a douche, but just for future reference.

Things everyone can agree on:
- This game has become stale
- The veteran experience sucks as much as the new player experience (where to vets evolve to beyond pubs?)
- PC was broken from the start - Cronos -> EoN. -> DNS. Once one alliance gets an advantage its becomes a snowball effect
- Its CCPs job to decide where to go from here, not the players.

While many might not believe in the stated mission of 100% MH, I would hope that they realize that the mechanics behind PC are utterly flawed and that the situation will always favor the corp/alliance that can put the best 16 on the field the most regularly which has nothing to do with actual war at all. There are no alternative tactics that smaller corps can use to try to carve out their own niche. There is no war of attrition where it comes down to who is willing to risk more resources.

If CCP spent more effort on PC rather than just stapling pub matches onto a star map, this might not be an issue.

So, if you believe DNS' campaign is hot air, that is fine and your right. But at least raise your voices to CCP that its their lack of depth and foresight that caused this and will continue to cause it.

"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."

To a casual player like myself, there doesn't seem to be any difference between DNS and those that came before it--namely, the same small core of a few dozen players of that can dominate an entire game mode vs. hundreds/thousands of other players.

TP did this in match I was in. They were on the enemy side and my team didn't really get stomp'd or unfairly crushed. The map was manis peak and we had the side with the ridge. For the first time I saw a python get used like a trash viper, they flew it right into the ridge crashing it, jumped out and tried to take the hill. They kept bringing in maddys which we kept popping with RE's and in the end we got clone'd out. They had 2 or 3 clones left, very close match. Out of the 6 TP in that match only 2 had better then 1 kdr.

It was pretty fun match. Granted TP did lose millions of isk to win a pub which is kinda funny and sad at the same time (funny that they lost it, sad that it didn't matter). I don't see the point of playing a game on easy mode. Like a tranny in TJ, give it to me rough, dirty and bare back

Shout out to Fusion and unique1ID.. you both did carry the team with your kills and those perfect OB's Fusion laid down. I just wish I got some wp for those scans, picture a cloaked scout running circles in the middle of an enemy mob while being shot at and screaming to Fusion "drop it, DROP IT. DROP THE OB! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DROP THE F*CKING OB!" with him saying "ya, ya wait just a minute...AHHH! getting shot at! (shotgun goes off) ok, just a sec gotta find a safe spot AHHHH!! (shut gun goes off) ok, bringing it up "

To give you an image. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOlTONos9lk
Ya, Fusion was willie and the bugs were the enemy. Although unique isn't short round... he doesn't like to get himself into interesting situations like I do. Either way /golf clap to TP for a fun match.

First, DNS never built anything in Dust, NF and RA were already working together, DNS just swooped in EVE side, their original alliance brought nothing to the table for DUST, they just took the best, that's it. Ownership was already in their hands for the most part. FA abandoned TSO's alliance and surrendered their districts to them.

Second, Unite New Eden. DNS isn't even capable of doing that, what a load of ****, they don't hold any SOV, their leader is purely focused on turning DUST into some sort of stupid sport, he said in his podcast he doesn't care about the community

Third, you can not be serious about supporting DNS after that podcast, I can almost guarantee the only reason the DUST people are with them is for their EVE support, especially since DNS never offered anything but EVE support (That's all they had before they got RA and NF members to join them).

Fourth, that's not a neutral view so much as it is an ignorant view. One need only listen to DNS Black's podcast.

1st let me highlight DNS Blacks strong points so I don't sound completely bias. He makes a point about New Eden being about making personal connections and finding passion. He is well spoken in his presentations at fanfest, he has accomplished a great deal.

Now do I despise him? No

How I feel:

RA and NF did all the work, and I'm tired of hearing how many times he says "I" before the words:
Built, Made, Did, Am. DNS did nothing but have other corps who already owned everything join him.

My statement isn't nit picking, I spoke with him on teamspeak, he thinks he speaks for the whole community and knows what the player base as a whole wants but he only consults his ceos/directors, he doesn't care about the community, only his community. All it comes down too is: DNS Black is not Dust Savvy, period. He has no clue what's going on in the game or what the community as a whole wants.

If he wants to control MH and do his thing fine. If he wants to run for CSM and represent people, he needs to ******* listen to what the community is saying and not just the people in his alliance.

Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in.

Side note.

He ruined Darth Vader, Darth Vader would never say gobbled.

- PC was broken from the start - Cronos -> EoN. -> DNS. Once one alliance gets an advantage its becomes a snowball effect

Is this where I sign?

Things everyone can agree on:
- This game has become stale
- The veteran experience sucks as much as the new player experience (where to vets evolve to beyond pubs?)
- PC was broken from the start - Cronos -> EoN. -> DNS. Once one alliance gets an advantage its becomes a snowball effect
- Its CCPs job to decide where to go from here, not the players.

While many might not believe in the stated mission of 100% MH, I would hope that they realize that the mechanics behind PC are utterly flawed and that the situation will always favor the corp/alliance that can put the best 16 on the field the most regularly which has nothing to do with actual war at all. There are no alternative tactics that smaller corps can use to try to carve out their own niche. There is no war of attrition where it comes down to who is willing to risk more resources.

If CCP spent more effort on PC rather than just stapling pub matches onto a star map, this might not be an issue.

So, if you believe DNS' campaign is hot air, that is fine and your right. But at least raise your voices to CCP that its their lack of depth and foresight that caused this and will continue to cause it.

Last but not least him and the rest of DNS seem to have the impression that they are forcing CCP's hand by controlling MH. Fanfest is like 8 days away, what ever DNS thinks they are doing with 100% control is irrelevant, CCP has been working on stuff for DUST longbefore DNS Black came in.

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#5 Posted: 2013.10.13 16:43

Fortunately we are working out plans for Planetary Conquest 2.0 which has some new mechanics to make location more relevant.

This is what I love about the Spero; when PC gets changed, DNS (and Spero) can say "Look what we did.".
Doesn't/Won't matter that what's going on in PC now is more than likely just an excuse to farm ISK as CCP has already reported they have been working on PC 2.0 (back in October):

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1388504#post1388504

This is what I love about the Spero; when PC gets changed, DNS (and Spero) can say "Look what we did.".
Doesn't/Won't matter that what's going on in PC now is more than likely just an excuse to farm ISK as CCP has already reported they have been working on PC 2.0 (back in October):

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1388504#post1388504

Well if you watched the eve Vegas stream they spoke about the changes coming in 2014 including pc 2.0 which they said they have talked in detail with the cpms. So he most certainly knows what's coming mechanics whise. It is very interesting that they are positioning themselves for PC 2.0 . Kane certainely knows when it is going drop most certainly after fan fest. The question is him being the self proclaimed ring leader of this move to take over molden heath right before they open up more space, did he knowingly use his knowledge to make this happen?

Their is much going on behind the scenes.

Actually the pursuit of 100% has worked wonders in pushing the dialogue forward with CCP in terms of discussing balanced hot fixes to Planetary Conquest 1.0; specifically addressing clones packs and addressing passive ISK.

It's one thing to talk about how a system is broken. It is quite another to hold the system in front of someone throw it on the ground and then step on it repeatedly while shouting, "Do you understand now?!"

Black is very misguided about Dust's metasphere, community, how we communicate and interact with each other, and what generally goes on around here. On that I cannot argue. I am not happy with him myself for that podcast, and if he hadn't listened to us Dusters when we complained about what was said there HvLP would likely be clone packing DNS right now.

He is not in control of DNS Dust side - us Dusters are. Of that, be assured. No way in hell am I going to let someone who doesn't even play our game speak on my behalf or tell me and my guys that we don't want community help or interaction. That's the furthest thing from the truth and our goals as DNS Dust side.

And I think he's beginning to understand that, honestly. But is it too late to repair the damage he caused?

Again, you are making a quote about PC 2.0 while I'm talking about hotfixes to PC 1.0.

I think I must have just imagined that meeting with CCP that the CPM had recently where PC 1.0 hotfixes were the specific topic.

I think, egos/epeen aside, that is the underlying concern of the majority of DUST players who are aware of the issue. If DNS was a class act, it would put the isk aside until it could be put back into the community in a meaningful way, or be destroyed.

I think you have missed a few thousand years of human history.

You did make me lol, thanks for that.

But still, we do remember the rare class acts from history, and they go on on to inspire peeps for millenia.

This is a single shard virtual universe and peeps have a long memory. Classy or trashy, it'll be an interesting legacy/reputation for the peeps who are a part of DNS.

First, DNS never built anything in Dust, NF and RA were already working together, DNS just swooped in EVE side, their original alliance brought nothing to the table for DUST, they just took the best, that's it. Ownership was already in their hands for the most part. FA abandoned TSO's alliance and surrendered their districts to them.

Second, Unite New Eden. DNS isn't even capable of doing that, what a load of ****, they don't hold any SOV, their leader is purely focused on turning DUST into some sort of stupid sport, he said in his podcast he doesn't care about the community

Third, you can not be serious about supporting DNS after that podcast, I can almost guarantee the only reason the DUST people are with them is for their EVE support, especially since DNS never offered anything but EVE support (That's all they had before they got RA and NF members to join them).

Fourth, that's not a neutral view so much as it is an ignorant view. One need only listen to DNS Black's podcast.

Actually the pursuit of 100% has worked wonders in pushing the dialogue forward with CCP in terms of discussing balanced hot fixes to Planetary Conquest 1.0; specifically addressing clones packs and addressing passive ISK.

It's one thing to talk about how a system is broken. It is quite another to hold the system in front of someone throw it on the ground and then step on it repeatedly while shouting, "Do you understand now?!"

I'm not sure how CCP can fix or prevent the corps owning the most districts all joining up in one alliance and expecting non-district owners to attack them with clone packs.

Until the corps within DNS start attacking each other PC will be viewed as pathetic by the majority of the community.


PS time for a new CPM

I'm no genius, but I suspect that socialist theory has no place in this WAR game.

I always laugh at these reoccurring ideas that some how this or that thing is killing the game of DUST 514. For example, over time, players have said that the overabundance of ARs, the prevalence of tanks, the tactic of AFKing or district locking would destroy this game and that players would leave, the game would die, but it never happens.

The players always come back, CCP adapts, and the addictions continue.

And Vrain, what honorable, blood-thirsty mercenary, would EVER destroy his/her pile of isk? Did you really suggest such a thing lol? Are we really gonna clamor for more carebears in Dust?

Let's keep the WAR in this war game and put our boots on the neck of socialism in DUST 514.