I agree with your buff to regeneration as a whole, but regen needs to more focused on regaining your tank after the confrontation, rather than using your regen during a battle to win it. This becomes a problem with armour reps.

See I don't know about that. Instinctively I would run two complex reppers and two basic plates. With passives, my reps per second would be 27.25 (I think) and considerable tank.

I would suggest:
Caldari: 100hp/s on shields | 0hp/s on armor
Minmatar: 80hp/s on shields | 4hp/s on armor
Amarr: 60hp/s on shields | 12hp/s on armor
Gallente: 60hp/s on shields | 15hp/s on armor

I think these numbers are high, but I really like the idea of a frontal assault specialist that can keep the pressure on. My take on the numbers:

• Caldari: shield recharge rate 60HP/s (up from 30HP/s)
• Minmatar: shield recharge rate 50HP/s (up from 25HP/s)
• Amarr: increase armor HP to 270HP (up from 180HP)
• Gallente: innate armor repair 5HP/s (up from 2HP/s)

Make the changes listed above, gather data, make adjustments as needed.

I opted not to give Amarr innate armor repair because I still think that needs to be a Gallente tanking style. The Amarr should continue to be armor bricks. The Gallente's innate armor repair gives them a free PRO armor repper.

Well, I want to make sure that if a suit matches those numbers, they would be gimped compared to an assault.

Just like an assault with EWAR is gimped comapred to a scout.

I think these numbers are high, but I really like the idea of a frontal assault specialist that can keep the pressure on. My take on the numbers:

• Caldari: shield recharge rate 60HP/s (up from 30HP/s)
• Minmatar: shield recharge rate 50HP/s (up from 25HP/s)
• Amarr: increase armor HP to 270HP (up from 180HP)
• Gallente: innate armor repair 5HP/s (up from 2HP/s)

Make the changes listed above, gather data, make adjustments as needed.

I opted not to give Amarr innate armor repair because I still think that needs to be a Gallente tanking style. The Amarr should continue to be armor bricks. The Gallente's innate armor repair gives them a free PRO armor repper.

Those numbers will be pathetic and won't achieve the end goal.

Create a design goal ("allow assault dropsuits able to provide pressure during combat without having to stop for eHP recovery as much as other dropsuits"), incrementally make changes to meet that goal, gather data along the way, if the changes aren't enough then tweak the stats up again.

It's like getting weighed at the doctor's office. Does the nurse wildly fling the slide back and forth across the bar until she/he happens to hit your weight? No, she gets fairly close to weight, then taps the slide until the scale balances.

Also, while we're all here; Lets discuss Assault's module layout.

First off read Kagehoshi's Suggestion here and leave him a comment and a like if you agree with him. The summary of his suggestion is as follows;

assault & logi
Give the Cal logistics 3 equip slots at STD. Also 4 equip at PRO (reduce mod slot from 9 to 8 in exchange).
Give all assaults the same number of mod slots.
Equalize the mod slot layouts for assaults & logis of the same race & tier:

Assault & logi STD (high/low)
Am: 2/4
Ga: 2/4
Ca: 4/2 (+1 equip for logi)
Min: 3/3

Assault & logi ADV
Am: 2/5
Ga: 3/4
Ca: 5/2
Min: 4/3

Assault & logi PRO
Am: 3/5
Ga: 3/5
Ca: 5/3 (+1 equip for logi)
Min: 4/4

I have two suggestions I'd like to open up for discussion

1. Symmetry between opposing races similar to Sentinel Layout
First off I propose swapping the layouts of the Minmatar and the Caldari and from there creating a symmetry between opposing races' suits.

At Prototype Level Assault Suit:
Amarr 3/4
Minmatar 4/3
Gallente 2/5
Caldari 5/2

2. Slot layout similar to Scouts

Amarr 3/4
Minmatar 5/2
Gallente 3/4
Caldari 4/3

I'm liking number 1 a lot more but giving the Gallente 5 low slouts could(?) make it OP? I'm not sure. what do ya'll think

Not really

I can already tell that a scout dropsuit will simply be able to do everything better with the numbers you provided.

Would it be best to push the Rep threshold up to Amarr 15hp/s and Gallente 20hp/s or bring it down to Amarr 10hp/s and Gallente 15hp/s?

I fear that if we do not tread lightly we will see the manifestation of the triple Rep Madrugar in Gallente Assault users. I'm inclined to bring it down then, what about this:



4 Complex Armor Repairers on a Assault gk.0 using this suggestion would take its Armor repair rate to; 25 (6.25 x 4 modules) + 15 base making it 40 armor reps a second. Would this be overpowered?

I've already said, all assault suits should have a 1 sec passive armour rep, and the assault skill should be changed to 5% to weapon Operation Skill per level. That way, any Assault Suit will be able to use any of weapon, but will benefit from the additional benefits of using their particular races types of weaponry.

With the regen rates I suggested, another module slot would be too much I think.
Let's increase the regen rate and see what happens, if assaults are still underpowered try adding a module slot.

So you suggest we keep the slot layouts as they are currently? My problem with that is currently the Amarr have one less slot layout compared to the others due to a minuscule increase in base stats, something that the Amarr Scout and Sentinel both share yet they retain the same total slots as the other races.

So if we want to try the Regeneration for Assaults I suggest to add a lowslot for the Amarr making it inline with the Gallente (3 highs and 4 lows)

Suggestion 1 works off of the fact that Amarr Assaults are missing a slot for no good reason and by swapping the Min and Cal layouts we are then able to achieve symmetry in opposing races and thus turning the layouts to

Amarr 3/4
Minmatar 4/3
Gallente 2/5
Caldari 5/2

If we don't want too much change then just give the Amarr their missing lowslot

Amarr 3/4
Minmatar 5/2
Gallente 3/4
Caldari 4/3

Personally, Tib, I think that the slot layouts are fine, I believe it's the benefits that are making the suit suffer. For example, most of the other frame suits get dual benefits. The Gallente scout gets scan profile reduction and scan range for example.

Amarr assaults get a reduction to heat, which is great, but still only one.

Cal assaults get a bonus to reload speed of rail tech, correct?

My proposal is this, give them a weapons benefit and a suit benefit.

For example, my benefit for Gk.0 assaults

6% to hybrid blaster Rate of fire per fire, this will effectively make an AR not completely useless in this endeavor, and Ion pistols can also be useful.
second benefit being a 3% buff to armor repair modules per level. This will take advantage of the gals ability to regenerate even more, which is their main playstyle.

Amarr should keep current benefit, as it fulfills its role perfect.
But the added bonus should be something to do with armor buff, or perhaps getting rid of the pesky movement speed involved in the amarr assault. Proposed benefits are as follows, 3% to armor plate efficiency per level, 1% to maximum movement and sprint speed per level.

Minmatar I believe has a good benefit, keep it. Do not add a tightening to spread on this suit, that will kill all competition IMO.
The secondary benefit should be either 4% to max stamina per level, so it's speed tanking doesn't get cut short due to stamina issues, or 3% to shield recharger efficiency per level.

Cal assault really got shafted this build. Give them old benefit with a 1% percent bonus, (3% to shield extenders per level)
and on the rail rifle, perhaps a ROF buff, a tighter spread, or a bonus to a regulator or something.

So you suggest we keep the slot layouts as they are currently? My problem with that is currently the Amarr have one less slot layout compared to the others due to a minuscule increase in base stats, something that the Amarr Scout and Sentinel both share yet they retain the same total slots as the other races.

So if we want to try the Regeneration for Assaults I suggest to add a lowslot for the Amarr making it inline with the Gallente (3 highs and 4 lows)

Suggestion 1 works off of the fact that Amarr Assaults are missing a slot for no good reason and by swapping the Min and Cal layouts we are then able to achieve symmetry in opposing races and thus turning the layouts to

Amarr 3/4
Minmatar 4/3
Gallente 2/5
Caldari 5/2

If we don't want too much change then just give the Amarr their missing lowslot

Amarr 3/4
Minmatar 5/2
Gallente 3/4
Caldari 4/3

Assaults need to be the suit that never lets back, keeping the enemy on it's toes.
That would require very very fast regen rate, faster than any suit can achieve without gimping itself, just like trying to EWAR with an assault is gimping yourself.

I would suggest:
Caldari: 100hp/s on shields | 0hp/s on armor
Minmatar: 80hp/s on shields | 4hp/s on armor
Amarr: 60hp/s on shields | 12hp/s on armor
Gallente: 60hp/s on shields | 15hp/s on armor

Pretty much agree in every way here, except I think the numbers are a little too high. Even something like half those numbers would be better than what we have.

IMO, Scouts have speed, Logis have utility, Sentinels have defense, Commandos have versatility, give Assaults regeneration. Make them the best at going in and out of battle quickly and effectively. Right now Assaults have way more downtime than Scouts do and yet they aren't really rocking much more HP than Scouts.

I thought about these numbers very carefully, they should be this high.

The ScR and LR on the other hand should just be rebalanced to reduce heat build-up to allow any suit to use them effectively. I know the Amarr Assaults love their bonus but it honestly would be a buff to the Amarr to reduce Laser weapons heat build-up overall to make it so any any Amarr suit could make use of them just as effectively. This would also pave the way for making these weapons more viable to other races as well.

Much like in Eve Online, races should provide noticeable bonuses with their preferred racial weapon system. For example, in Eve the Gallente receive bonuses with drone weapon systems. Other races can use drones, but not nearly as effect as the Gallente. Other races can fit the ScR and LR, but the Amarr should receive racial bonuses to make those weapons really shine.