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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12984	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:08:00 - [1] - Quote Why does CCP keep selling Omega Boosters during triple SP events? My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2856	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:09:00 - [2] - Quote I am starting to wonder, myself. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5952	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:10:00 - [3] - Quote It's not "pay to win". It's "pay to forever and always be ahead of everyone else that doesn't want to spend money while we leave the non-rollover SP system untouched to rake in as much profit as possible". Never forget More tiericide, less tieriphiles.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1081	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:12:00 - [4] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: It's not "pay to win". It's "pay to forever and always be ahead of everyone else that doesn't want to spend money while we leave the non-rollover SP system untouched to rake in as much profit as possible". Pretty much. I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1825	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:12:00 - [5] - Quote Having more SP =/= winning He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12984	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:14:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Having more SP =/= winning Tell that to proto squads My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1825	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:17:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tell that to proto squads I don't suppose being in a squad has anything at all with having a higher success rate in a game that strongly encourages players to get in squads... Hmm? HMMM?! HHHHMMMMMM?! He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12985	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:23:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Tell that to proto squads I don't suppose being in a squad has anything at all with having a higher success rate in a game that strongly encourages players to get in squads... Hmm? HMMM?! HHHHMMMMMM?! I never said it didn't. You show me your standard gear squad vs someones proto squad. Let me see how that goes, equal player skill assumed. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 628	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:27:00 - [9] - Quote Can't even have the satisfaction of knowing you damaged someone's wallet anymore. The ISK economy is trashed and no one cares.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12985	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:28:00 - [10] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Can't even have the satisfaction of knowing you damaged someone's wallet anymore. The ISK economy is trashed and no one cares. Considering CCP didn't address biomass ISK farms, and probably won't for some time, the economy has been trashed even long before the PC ISK fountains sprung up. Playing the economic game is for losers who don't manipulate the system. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1827	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:29:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I never said it didn't. You show me your standard gear squad vs someones proto squad. Let me see how that goes, equal player skill assumed. Way too many variables to accurately predict that fight... is the standard squad in all cloaky shotgun fittings? Are the protobears in sentinel HMG fittings? Who is armor tanking? Who is shield tanking? Are the standard squad allowed vehicles? Is the standard squad running with multiple logis? What equipment is the logi using? "Ripley, stop being difficult. They are all using the same fitting, for argument sake. Also, you are ruggedly handsome, I hope you don't mind if I touch your privates." Simply giving both squads the same fittings isn't giving us a good "real world" scenario. Personally, I think in a 6v6 fight, with a good squad composition and competent squad leader the standard squad could wipe the floor with the protobears. Especially if the protobears aren't running FotM... And yes, you may touch my privates now. Gently now. Easy... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 630	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:32:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Can't even have the satisfaction of knowing you damaged someone's wallet anymore. The ISK economy is trashed and no one cares. Considering CCP didn't address biomass ISK farms, and probably won't for some time, the economy has been trashed even long before the PC ISK fountains sprung up. Playing the economic game is for losers who don't manipulate the system. Right, both are factors and CCP remains mute on both.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12988	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:33:00 - [13] - Quote Ripley you can argue it all day long till you're blue in the face, but until you see top corps letting anything but full proto fits into their PC squads, you really don't have a leg to stand on. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8019	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:33:00 - [14] - Quote Aaaaaand here we go again. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1827	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:36:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ripley you can argue it all day long till you're blue in the face, but until you see top corps letting anything but full proto fits into their PC squads, you really don't have a leg to stand on. Proto gear gives you an edge. It would make sense for "top corps" to require proto gear in their squads... but that does not mean it is an I WIN button. That's all I'm saying. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1670	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:44:00 - [16] - Quote You can have less SP than me and still kick my ass. I suck. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 209	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:16:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why does CCP keep selling Omega Boosters during triple SP events? Even without boosters, a player can score 769,500 SP (570K active + (24K passive * 7) + 31.5K login, assuming player is starting from base 3000 SP and logs in every day) during this event. Pretty sweet, actually--you can get a weapon to proto, get a new specialized suit (ie, sentinel or scout or logi, etc.) to level 2, get into ADS, etc. Definitely a nice amount of SP, and they don't have to pay for it. Assuming a player bought boosters (a 7-day active and 7-day passive omega for 20K AUR, ie, <=$10), they earned double SP, or 1,518,000 SP (1.14M active + (48K passive * 7) + 42K login, assuming 6K/day). So, if you supported CCP financially, you had the opportunity to earn double the SP otherwise available. If you could not or chose not to support CCP financially, you still had the opportunity to earn more than twice the SP normally available without boosters. Looked at like this, F2P players were not excluded from benefiting significantly from this event. Also, I think many vets would agree that 1M SP, while nice, isn't going to change your world once you hit about 12M - 15M SP--it's not the sort of thing that's going to suddenly turn a sh!tty KDR around. Let's assume a fairly casual, new player who is only interested in F2P. They only earn half their active cap a week. They log in every other day, therefore never reaping the benefit of the growing daily login bonus--that is, this is meant to be a "worst case" scenario. SP/month: Login (3,000 * 15) = 45,000; Active cap (190,000/2 * 4) = 380,000; Passive gain (24,000 * 30) = 720,000; TOTAL = 1,145,000 SP So, within a couple months, a new, casual, F2P-only player could earn enough SP to get a primary and sidearm weapon to advanced, a basic suit to advanced (maybe a specialized suit to level 1 or 2), and a least a couple relevant modules to advanced, as well (with a few others skilled to basic). Put another way, a new player can begin to keep up, gear wise, with veterans of a year+. Not saying they will do as good (there's a lot to Dust--maps, squad play, different game formats, AV, piloting, etc.--lots of moving parts that are definitely easier to keep track of the more you play), but squadding up randomly, they should expect to be an asset to their team, and might even see their stats level out or improve. I think a lot of the F2P, NPE issues stem from the fact that anyone new to Dust is going to get their a$$ handed to them, even if they are an otherwise good, experienced FPS player (this is where the community gets a lot of crying about weapon/gear/vehicle X/Y/Z, because they're not the same as in CoD, BF, etc.,), and many folks that are completely new to the FPS experience will probably just decide that all FPS games blow. If CCP hammered out the NPE and threw in some PVE (which is itself a remedy to the frightening NPE), pay-to-win would be much, much less relevant. Especially if we could purchase boosters with ISK. My other dropsuit is a Python.
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 90	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:18:00 - [18] - Quote All things considered, the only thing worth spending aurum on is boosters (with the occational event suit) and ccp has to make its money somewhere. May as well make it off of the smart players among us. sebastian the huds (insert any weapon) whoever i want Weapon operation 5 in most weapons
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12994	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:22:00 - [19] - Quote I'm just bitter at boosters, and find it amusing how Omegas always get pushed down our throats during these events. Then again, I've always been a fan of the full passive style of SP just like EVE, but this game has NOWHERE near enough content to ever justify that, the SP lure is what keeps half the people logging in the first place. It just amuses me. /thread. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3545	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:25:00 - [20] - Quote I have 45Mil SP and yet when i run around Solo i still lose a large portion of my matches... having more SP does not mean you are going to win. Sir Hadah for CPM

dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 602	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:38:00 - [21] - Quote its "play for suffering" wanna 3x hardcore? then "pay for suffering" because engine of game and balance is crap
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2073	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:49:00 - [22] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Having more SP =/= winning Tell that to proto squads The issue is the squads, not the proto. They could probably still stomp you in militia gear. Often the problem is pitting these organized squads against random solo players. Proto gear is a red herring. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1833	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:53:00 - [23] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The issue is the squads, not the proto. They could probably still stomp you in militia gear. Often the problem is pitting these organized squads against random solo players. I've always thought that having a squad leader who knows what the hell he/she is doing is like having a 7th squad member. Add a logi that doesn't go full-****** cowboy and instead uses equipment to support his squad... Brings a tear to my eye... He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13002	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:59:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Having more SP =/= winning Tell that to proto squads The issue is the squads, not the proto. They could probably still stomp you in militia gear. Often the problem is pitting these organized squads against random solo players. Proto gear is a red herring. I'm assuming equal skill here. An equal skill squad of standard or mlt gear will not triumph over an equal skill squad of proto gear. Is that a problem? Not necessarily, by itself, no. But once you consider that there is NOWHERE for new players to escape to, or for Vets to go off and perform end game content (lolpc) then it does indeed become a problem, and it basically FORCES newer players to either get ** **** for months, or pay out the ass to get to a point where they aren't at such a statistical disadvantage. Add in the fact that CCP has done nothing about Biomass ISK farms or PC ISK fountains, and you create a very solid, very real divide in the community between people who can't afford to run proto, and people who can't NOT afford to run proto. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc
Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 95	Posted - 2014.04.21 18:30:00 - [25] - Quote I think it's daft, the way CCP is prormoting to players to buy Omega boosters during this event even though not everybody can log in to Dust Servers just to play or even consider buying said items. CCP, check your gameGÇª it's not even working.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2413	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:01:00 - [26] - Quote Pay to advance faster. You don't pay for a Balac's GAR...
echo47 Minmatar Republic 264	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:22:00 - [27] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Tell that to proto squads I don't suppose being in a squad has anything at all with having a higher success rate in a game that strongly encourages players to get in squads... Hmm? HMMM?! HHHHMMMMMM?! Thank you. Blaming proto gear is a lame excuse for losing and it gets more lame every time hear it. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1084	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:24:00 - [28] - Quote echo47 wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Tell that to proto squads I don't suppose being in a squad has anything at all with having a higher success rate in a game that strongly encourages players to get in squads... Hmm? HMMM?! HHHHMMMMMM?! Thank you. Blaming proto gear is a lame excuse for losing and it gets more lame every time hear it. I got a proto sentinel down to 4 armor twice with a magsec, so I kilked him twice, proto prevented my +50 I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 634	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:45:00 - [29] - Quote look at everyone ITT defending the honour of their internet space shooty mans. ccp doesnt need your defense, just your money. keep paying to win and keep trying to justify it with 2000 character walls of text. so much hand wringing and stockholm syndrome ahahahahhaha
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2373	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:51:00 - [30] - Quote because the game is pay to run. they know people will pay for boosters so they sell them, you don't need them to win but people will buy them so they plan to sell them. why don't you go complain to wal-mart when they sell toys at christmas.

Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 634	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:52:00 - [31] - Quote why dont you make more terrible unrelated RL comparisons about it
Moorian Flav 195	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:56:00 - [32] - Quote Quote: Why does CCP keep selling Omega Boosters during triple SP events? To make money. Just because DUST is F2P doesn't mean CCP is NPF (not-for-profit). I mean there has been a lot of complaints about shotguns lately and guess what's also on sale right now. I don't troll; I tell the truth.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2076	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:57:00 - [33] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Quote: Why does CCP keep selling Omega Boosters during triple SP events? To make money. Just because DUST is F2P doesn't mean CCP is NPF (not-for-profit). Pretty much. Also, it's a fairness thing. A lot of people buy the boosters in advance, and save them for such events. Selling them during these events enable players who don't have them in back stock to buy them for the event, which can help out newbros who haven't been playing since the last Omega sale and stuff. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13006	Posted - 2014.04.21 20:05:00 - [34] - Quote Just try to put yourselves in the shoes of a new player who sees this kind of stuff. I mean boosters are a sad means of milking money but it's clearly effective, but what does it do to the image of this game, when there is absolutely no breathing room for new players? Ultimately this is a complaint about CCPs pitiful excuse for NPE and End Game content, it's simply that the boosters make it MUCH more obvious and creates a very bad impression for newer players. Not that many of you think about how this game is received by the general public. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc
Rusty Shallows 1614	Posted - 2014.04.21 20:22:00 - [35] - Quote sebastian the huds wrote: All things considered, the only thing worth spending aurum on is boosters (with the occational event suit) and ccp has to make its money somewhere. May as well make it off of the smart players among us. If the new EP is focusing on Boosters more power to him. Otherwise they'll go down that slippery slope of making AUR gear better, a little fitting savings here or there and suddenly CCP is nerfing our Frames encouraging us to buy AUR kit so everything fits. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5191	Posted - 2014.04.21 20:51:00 - [36] - Quote Patience is underrated. Boosters are overrated. Why does CCP sell an item that makes a lot of profit without giving players a real benefit over the competition? Because it makes a lot of profit. Why don't they sell it all the time? Because limiting availability skews the supply and demand lines in favour of the supplier, meaning CCP can get away with keeping the price high and still make a lot of sales. Does it make the game pay-to-win? Nope. Have I ever bought a booster? Well, I got one with a merc pack back in closed beta. It's still sitting in the space between characters. I'll probably sell it on the player market or something.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 179	Posted - 2014.04.21 20:53:00 - [37] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Having more SP =/= winning Tell that to proto squads The issue is the squads, not the proto. They could probably still stomp you in militia gear. Often the problem is pitting these organized squads against random solo players. Proto gear is a red herring. Bull ***** , I once fought off a full squad of DNS that were spawning in militia and std gear in my joke fittings. They then pulled out their proto gear and just overwhelmed me. I'm tired of all the it doesn't make a difference bullshit. Mathematically 2-3 times your ehp makes a huge *** difference ignoring other bonuses like reloading, dispersion, damage, etc. STD squads do not give me grief, but I'm the guy in other fps games that hits the top of the scoreboards every match because I have no life. This game has an arbitrary system that drives away serious competition from newcomers. But by all means, you ***** proto scrubs keep patting yourselves on the back about how pro you are.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 212	Posted - 2014.04.21 20:57:00 - [38] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Patience is underrated. Boosters are overrated. Why does CCP sell an item that makes a lot of profit without giving players a real benefit over the competition? Because it makes a lot of profit. Why don't they sell it all the time? Because limiting availability skews the supply and demand lines in favour of the supplier, meaning CCP can get away with keeping the price high and still make a lot of sales. Does it make the game pay-to-win? Nope. Have I ever bought a booster? Well, I got one with a merc pack back in closed beta. It's still sitting in the space between characters. I'll probably sell it on the player market or something. I think Garrett makes a very strong point. Building on top of the fact that, once a player hits 12M - 15M SP, they're mostly working on new specializations (ie, they can do at least one thing rather well, at this point), I think I might stop purchasing passive boosters. At this point, it really does just boil down to patience for me. My other dropsuit is a Python.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1796	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:01:00 - [39] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Why does CCP keep selling Omega Boosters during triple SP events? it's good business? why do little kids only make lemonade stands on hot days? "I speak for the trees!" Ko6 scout,
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13010	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:01:00 - [40] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Patience is underrated. Boosters are overrated. Why does CCP sell an item that makes a lot of profit without giving players a real benefit over the competition? Because it makes a lot of profit. Why don't they sell it all the time? Because limiting availability skews the supply and demand lines in favour of the supplier, meaning CCP can get away with keeping the price high and still make a lot of sales. Does it make the game pay-to-win? Nope. Have I ever bought a booster? Well, I got one with a merc pack back in closed beta. It's still sitting in the space between characters. I'll probably sell it on the player market or something. I think Garrett makes a very strong point. Building on top of the fact that, once a player hits 12M - 15M SP, they're mostly working on new specializations (ie, they can do at least one thing rather well, at this point), I think I might stop purchasing passive boosters. At this point, it really does just boil down to patience for me. The problem is that telling a new player to "wait it out" while they get ** canned for months on end doesn't exactly do wonders for our player count. Hence, our abysmal player count. CCP needs to focus on providing quality content and working WITH the system they've designed in such a way that promotes both the growth of the individual and the community as a whole. Right now all it promotes is people stroking their egos thinking proto doesn't give them a huge advantage as they massacre our new recruits straight out of the game. Dangling SP boosters in their face doesn't make things better. knight of 6 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote:** Why does CCP keep selling Omega Boosters during triple SP events? it's good business? why do little kids only make lemonade stands on hot days? In the short term sure, but when new players see the insurmountable odds they have to overcome and have boosters shoved in their face as a means to compensate for that huge span of time while getting raped repeatedly, it pushes players away, creates bad public appeal, and limits the amount of actual growth that this game will see. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc

Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 486	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:07:00 - [41] - Quote dust and eve ae inheritly pay to win, you just dont field 16 players all in free grear and expect to beat a fully protoed out team thats just not how it works, if u want to win you have to put in the time and effrort to aquire the necessary gear and skill level . youeither pay in time, isk, or bodies.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 688	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:09:00 - [42] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: It's not "pay to win". It's "pay to forever and always be ahead of everyone else that doesn't want to spend money while we leave the non-rollover SP system untouched to rake in as much profit as possible". this.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4339	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:15:00 - [43] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Tell that to proto squads I don't suppose being in a squad has anything at all with having a higher success rate in a game that strongly encourages players to get in squads... Hmm? HMMM?! HHHHMMMMMM?! I never said it didn't. You show me your standard gear squad vs someones proto squad. Let me see how that goes, equal player skill assumed. Well no sh!t they'll do better. Better gear will help you win a tie on an equal skill level. Everyone whines about Proto Gear. "Lets change the game modes to limit gear to ADV or STD" Okay, then everyone will start whining about those "High SP squads". You guys never stop whining. SP is the problem here, not gear. CCP needs to implement a scaled cap, based on the total SP required to max out skills. People on the low end of the spectrum get a higher cap, while people on the high end get lower caps. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 180	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:21:00 - [44] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: dust and eve ae inheritly pay to win, you just dont field 16 players all in free grear and expect to beat a fully protoed out team thats just not how it works, if u want to win you have to put in the time and effrort to aquire the necessary gear and skill level . youeither pay in time, isk, or bodies. Which is why 2500 people play a game that is free to anyone who owns a ps3. There's a reason a lot of flash games have higher player counts then this game. There are korean fps rpg shooters but none of them take the gear disparity to the levels this game takes them. I don't know who is so gullible as to spend money on this game, as a game that costs nothing it's fine, but I can't imagine paying someone for this grindy ****. Then again people give millions upon millions to Farmville and Mafia Wars so there you go.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13011	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:25:00 - [45] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Well no sh!t they'll do better. Better gear will help you win a tie on an equal skill level. Everyone whines about Proto Gear. "Lets change the game modes to limit gear to ADV or STD" Okay, then everyone will start whining about those "High SP squads". You guys never stop whining. SP is the problem here, not gear. CCP needs to implement a scaled cap, based on the total SP required to max out skills. People on the low end of the spectrum get a higher cap, while people on the high end get lower caps. DUST Fiend wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Having more SP =/= winning Tell that to proto squads The issue is the squads, not the proto. They could probably still stomp you in militia gear. Often the problem is pitting these organized squads against random solo players. Proto gear is a red herring. I'm assuming equal skill here. An equal skill squad of standard or mlt gear will not triumph over an equal skill squad of proto gear. Is that a problem? Not necessarily, by itself, no. But once you consider that there is NOWHERE for new players to escape to, or for Vets to go off and perform end game content (lolpc) then it does indeed become a problem, and it basically FORCES newer players to either get ** **** for months, or pay out the ass to get to a point where they aren't at such a statistical disadvantage. Add in the fact that CCP has done nothing about Biomass ISK farms or PC ISK fountains, and you create a very solid, very real divide in the community between people who can't afford to run proto, and people who can't NOT afford to run proto. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Anti-Social Solo Merc
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 639	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:31:00 - [46] - Quote the mental friction is so thick in here it burns. if the game isn't actually pay 2 win, why not just ignore the post like all the other troll posts in GD? its because deep inside you, you know fiend is right and you dont want the game to be more accessible to new players lest they beat you with better skill on even footing. cant have that, no sir.


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