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Nomed Deeps 319	Posted - 2014.04.21 15:40:00 - [1] - Quote I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 301	Posted - 2014.04.21 15:57:00 - [2] - Quote i agree with most of it. but give the scouts extender/plate hp penalty. slighlty nerf heavy hp by 5% buff assault hp by 3% or 5% logis get slighlty more speed. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Deltahawk Durango Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 200	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:13:00 - [3] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i agree with most of it. but give the scouts extender/plate hp penalty. slighlty nerf SENTINELS hp by 5% buff assault hp by 3% or 5% logis get slighlty more speed. fixed leave my commando alone... only one of my fittings exceed 1000 hp... I don't believe in an eye for an eye... I believe in two eyes for an eye!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2007	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:17:00 - [4] - Quote i enjoy my minmatar assault quite a bit! once everyone takes off their "omg new things" goggles things will event out Minmatar is Winmatar
Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 279	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:49:00 - [5] - Quote Scouts with rep tools are nothing but hipsters. They think they are doing great being a light suit logi. The truth is that I can take bpo miltia logi repping an advanced heavy agaist a proto scout/heavy combo and win 9/10 times. Not to mention that I die less and end up with more wps. Sage /thread
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4882	Posted - 2014.04.21 16:52:00 - [6] - Quote I'm still seeing a ton of mediums. Most of the community plays like heavies anyway, so it makes sense that they're actually using heavies now. I'm from the weird side of the internet
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1521	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:11:00 - [7] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. Most of these scouts have 1 Medium suit (either logi/assault) 1 commando 1 Heavy even / tank Assaults are good right now if you have the right squad setup, Scout + Assault + Commando + Logi + Heavy + Tank... Try and set up squad this way next time you go in... Then come and complain
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:13:00 - [8] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). "One does not simply" run 11.12 m/s. You do it with 63.00 Stamina Regen.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 95	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:19:00 - [9] - Quote I still love running logi, I just haven't had the time to run with a squad to take advantage of it. I also found a love of a scout with an ACR and REs. Different Maps and different squads lead to different suits
dreth longbow Bank of DUST 514 46	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:58:00 - [10] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). OHH come on, What is wrong with the scout? It is not op for CQC (it costs to much) It is good at the sides defending posts and sneaking up on people (which is what it is designed for) If you remove the 2nd e-slot then what will they do? cloak and shotgun only? no links. you will make it a hitman only. Just because some people brick tank the scout does not mean everyone can afford to nor does it mean it is op. Track how many times you get killed by a scout and what were you doing at the time and you will see a different picture than all the qq people out their. FYI currently I am running hvy (cqc), log (rep min, link amar), scout gal solo protect link

Nomed Deeps 319	Posted - 2014.04.21 17:59:00 - [11] - Quote Quote: Then come and complain LOL Good to see an observation is automatically seen as a complaint here. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 924	Posted - 2014.04.21 18:11:00 - [12] - Quote I went Min scout on this merc when I made him 3 months ago but I recently went back to my first love; Minmatar logistics. I ******* LOVE this suit and its bonus. It's fast, has better stamina regen than all other suits bar Amarr scout, has 20% hack speed and heals like a mahfugger. Anyone out there that hasn't rocked a laidai repair tool amid a clusterduck of a battle and hasn't had that triage/guardian WP bukake has yet to taste the nectar of the gods. I have seen a lot of Min logis out there over the triple cap weekend. Actually I see assaults too...I generally see a mix of all suits come to think of it. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 281	Posted - 2014.04.21 18:12:00 - [13] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). And you conveniently forget it's most OP and best trait of all. It's Scout+racial dampning. You reduce the effectiveness of that and "Scout514" disappears overnight.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2413	Posted - 2014.04.21 18:14:00 - [14] - Quote No more what?
Tiny Pineapple Army of 420's 57	Posted - 2014.04.21 18:45:00 - [15] - Quote I'm still rocking the Ck. 0 and waiting less than two seconds for my shields to start regenerating feels good. Not to mention the Rail Rifle reload bonus.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1523	Posted - 2014.04.21 18:47:00 - [16] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). And you conveniently forget it's most OP and best trait of all. It's Scout+racial dampning. You reduce the effectiveness of that and "Scout514" disappears overnight. I don't think it'll disappear... it'll only get more interesting Scout vs Scout battles...
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2041	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:54:00 - [17] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). 1: We need the PG due to dampeners and kincats (remember, Gallente is the second fastest, and sometimes even faster than Winmatar, so it makes sense for them to use kincats, you know,to get in close and use their CQ weapons). Make them easier to fit, and I might agree with you. Otherwise, lolno. 2: helpful bonuses doesn't make something OP; it just gives them a good role. THe problem with the rest of the suits is that they all have been given ** roles (Well, Depends on how you use their suits, really, Amarr is the worst off). 3: That is a actual problem for any light frame to be brick tanking tbh. I'd say nerf plates and extender penalty wise for all light frames. Give them the speed of a untanked heavy 4: Read number 1 5: read all of the above 6: That's a non problem, as the bulk of it has only 3 HP/S, and 3 HP/S can't tank . 7: Instead of nerfing the actually balanced **, how about fixing the rest of it? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2041	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:57:00 - [18] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). And you conveniently forget it's most OP and best trait of all. It's Scout+racial dampning. You reduce the effectiveness of that and "Scout514" disappears overnight. a Gal Scout is made to hide from everything (because EWAR). If it can't hide from anything, the point of the Gal scout is gone. No. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 220	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:58:00 - [19] - Quote i think scouts should only be able to use sidearms. 2 sidearm slots instead of what they currently have. the only weapon they would really miss is the shotgun.
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 220	Posted - 2014.04.21 19:59:00 - [20] - Quote Damps dont use PG godin. just cpu.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2076	Posted - 2014.04.21 20:00:00 - [21] - Quote Medium suits lack a good role right now. Heavies are both the masters of damage AND health right now, and the stealth of scouts is incredibly powerful as well. I'd rather see assaults get a large damage buff (comparatively to heavies, let's not nuke TTK again), heavies continue to dominate in health, and scouts continue to dominate in ewar/scanning. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4498	Posted - 2014.04.21 20:07:00 - [22] - Quote After 1.8 it has become...... Heavy/Scout, you can't see me now, I've got a combat rifle 514. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Rusty Shallows 1614	Posted - 2014.04.21 20:07:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm still seeing a ton of mediums. Most of the community plays like heavies anyway, so it makes sense that they're actually using heavies now. On my Combat Engineer ALT the ADV Scanner is regularly picking up speedy targets that are definitely not Heavies or Scouts. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 952	Posted - 2014.04.21 20:24:00 - [24] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). I only partly agree: 1. This is cherrypicking as it also has the lowest CPU of any scout. 2. Agree 3. Only if you put armour plates on it, then it's slow. Whereas the Cal can shield tank, which doesn't compromise speed. 4. Not sure where you're getting this from. Minmatar sprints 0.3 faster. And as I mentioned, most Gals are slower than Cal as well. 5. See 1. 6. Regenerates the bulk of its HP very slowly. Cal dominates in that respect. And there is one more big factor in Cal's favour, which is that precision enhancers are only +20% whereas profile dampeners are +25%. So you can use just one slot to make a Cal get the equivalent of the Gal racial bonus, but the Gal can't get the Cal bonus so easily. 7. Overall I think Cal and Gal are well balanced against each other, and stronger than the other scouts (especially Amarr).
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1334	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:02:00 - [25] - Quote the gal scout is a better minmatar assault just saying 770 HP, full proto weaponry, proto cloak & proto second equipment can be easily fit on the gal scout. runs as fast as unplated minmatar assault with around the same HP, with lower profile and better scan prescision and once cloaked can only be "seen" by a caldari scout with 3 proto precision enhancers. RIP minmatar assault.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 262	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:06:00 - [26] - Quote Deltahawk Durango wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i agree with most of it. but give the scouts extender/plate hp penalty. slighlty nerf SENTINELS hp by 5% buff assault hp by 3% or 5% logis get slighlty more speed. fixed leave my commando alone... only one of my fittings exceed 1000 hp... Zero of my fittings that I actually use exceed 700 hp. In rust we trust... Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 688	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:07:00 - [27] - Quote I have been seeing quite a few medium suits though I notice the Logi (Slayer) versions more often.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1417	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:39:00 - [28] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). 1. Of course it has the most, gallente always has the most PG 2. All scouts and almost all other suits have helpful bonuses (except ammar scout) 3. Brick tanking a scout nerfs yourself 4. If you really want to stack kincats to get that much speed then your going to have low HP/no room for dampening. Minmatar is easier to make faster without giving up slots. 5.thats because we have way more low modules than highs, if we actually had useful high slots balence would be better. 6. This is because gallente gets built in armor repair. Its true for gal assault, logi, and heavys as well.
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5165	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:41:00 - [29] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered Thats all i read. Just buff Assaults. Leave scouts and Heavies alone. We like where we are. Both feel pretty powerful,no need to make people unhappy so that QQ get what they want. Just make the Med frames equally powerful and everybody happy.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5165	Posted - 2014.04.21 21:44:00 - [30] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). 1. Of course it has the most, gallente always has the most PG 2. All scouts and almost all other suits have helpful bonuses (except ammar scout) 3. Brick tanking a scout nerfs yourself 4. If you really want to stack kincats to get that much speed then your going to have low HP/no room for dampening. Minmatar is easier to make faster without giving up slots. 5.thats because we have way more low modules than highs, if we actually had useful high slots balence would be better. 6. This is because gallente gets built in armor repair. Its true for gal assault, logi, and heavys as well. ^^^^ THIS PLUS: GAl is not FOTM,like, FOTM FOTM (cal logi...etc..), is the most used because is the ONLY scout with a BPO. Use your brain people, not everybody is sitting in a mountain of cash... IMO (for example) ,the CALDARI scout is the most powerful of all. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread

Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 45	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:06:00 - [31] - Quote I hope something controversial is unveiled at Fanfest so this forum will have something new to "talk" about. The "scouts are OP" subject has whipped my ass raw. "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it." -Robert E. Lee
Yeeeuuuupppp Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 255	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:08:00 - [32] - Quote My amarr assault seeks no buff CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 788	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:27:00 - [33] - Quote I run medium suits. I have both logi and assault ck.o, but i to have to admit i have the scout ck.o also. On my way to get the sentinel ck.o. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1409	Posted - 2014.04.21 22:57:00 - [34] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). 1. So what it has the least CPU which I would rather have since precision mods and profile dampeners cost 0 PG 2. So are Cal scout for their role and Min scout for minjas. The only scout screwed bonus wise is Amarr 3. Define best, because if I tank the heck out of my Gal scout it is slow as an assault, but putting a bunch of shield extenders on the Cal scout doesn't hurt its speed. 4. Is your problem tanked Gal scouts or fast onesw because unlike Cal scouts the Gal scout cannot be both at the same time. 5. See #1 it is CPU limited 6. Ok the gal scout is the only one that can regen all its HP without a module of some sort. 7. Its bonuses suit its role of being the sneakiest scout, Min is fastest, and Cal is the anti-scout scout. Again the only scout class that got screwed was Amarr. Bascially you are just restating your second point here again. Your "proof" is opinion and you are very well entitled to it, please just do not confuse it with facts. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 383	Posted - 2014.04.22 02:00:00 - [35] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). And you conveniently forget it's most OP and best trait of all. It's Scout+racial dampning. You reduce the effectiveness of that and "Scout514" disappears overnight. I mentioned it's "bonuses" which are it's racial dampening. "One does not simply" run 11.12 m/s. You do it with 63.00 Stamina Regen.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4000	Posted - 2014.04.22 02:07:00 - [36] - Quote Survival rate in any of those two suits you mentioned are pretty high. No matter the changes, the nerfs, the buffs or whatever, people will always lean towards what gives them the edge to win. There's no way you can change that (not saying you're asking for it). So yea, I hardly see any mediums. If I do, the first thing I say in my mind before I kill em is "poor medium guy". Still see a healthy amount of logi DSs though... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 487	Posted - 2014.04.22 02:17:00 - [37] - Quote Before this patch it was the exact opposite. It was mostly medium frames running around with a few heavies and scouts. Heavies got a slight buff, especially the hmg, and scouts are no longer trash and everyone is complaining and saying scouts are op, nerf them. Scouts and heavies are in a good place right now. Logis are more geared toward logi work instead of logi slaying, which they never should have been. The only problem right now is assaults are out classed by everything. Scouts don't need a nerf, assaults need a buff. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Vargralor Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.04.22 02:39:00 - [38] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: 1. So what it has the least CPU which I would rather have since precision mods and profile dampeners cost 0 PG 2. So are Cal scout for their role and Min scout for minjas. The only scout screwed bonus wise is Amarr 3. Define best, because if I tank the heck out of my Gal scout it is slow as an assault, but putting a bunch of shield extenders on the Cal scout doesn't hurt its speed. 4. Is your problem tanked Gal scouts or fast onesw because unlike Cal scouts the Gal scout cannot be both at the same time. 5. See #1 it is CPU limited 6. Ok the gal scout is the only one that can regen all its HP without a module of some sort. 7. Its bonuses suit its role of being the sneakiest scout, Min is fastest, and Cal is the anti-scout scout. Again the only scout class that got screwed was Amarr. Bascially you are just restating your second point here again. Your "proof" is opinion and you are very well entitled to it, please just do not confuse it with facts. This is somewhat true but Cal scouts cannot reach anywhere near the levels of survivability as Gal scouts when tanking. Three adv shield extenders provides less tank than a single adv armour plate so on an adv suit the Gal scout can have over triple the tank of the Cal scout or match their tank bonus with a single plate and run other mods on the two other low slots. The proto levels bring the ratios back a little but an armour plate is over double the effectiveness of a shield extender in flat HP. I know the Cal scouts have a great recharge but that only matters if you have a large enough buffer to survive the initial attack long enough for them to regen. When talking about the extremes of brick tanking a Gal scout can add far more raw HP than a Cal scout or match them with two plates and still run damps, cardios or kincats. Edit: Just a suggestion on this, I think as many people have said the scout and heavy suits should not be nerfed, instead the mediums should be buffed. The other change that would help is to lower the HP provided by armour plates by 25% or increase the speed penalty percentage (which will have a much more noticable effect on fast suits).
Tectonic Fusion 1517	Posted - 2014.04.22 03:26:00 - [39] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: i think scouts should only be able to use sidearms. 2 sidearm slots instead of what they currently have. the only weapon they would really miss is the shotgun. And the Combat Rifle, Rail RIfle, Plasma Canon (Jolly uses this on one of his fits :p), Sniper Rifle (I've seen plenty of scouts sniping), and the Mass Driver (I seriously saw this proto scout chugging a Freedom MD and kicking arse). Although I would actually agree if they unnerf Scrambler Pistols. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1178	Posted - 2014.04.22 03:33:00 - [40] - Quote Doshneil Antaro wrote: Scouts with rep tools are nothing but hipsters. They think they are doing great being a light suit logi. The truth is that I can take bpo miltia logi repping an advanced heavy agaist a proto scout/heavy combo and win 9/10 times. Not to mention that I die less and end up with more wps. Hey, back off. I'm a LogiScout. You wont be complaining when I'm the only one repping you cause everyone else is either cloaker shotties or heavies. I can fit my scout whichever way I please so chill. My LogiScout is the only suit I tank cause I'm just learning how to strafe and tighten my aim. You have upset me. I'm going to be a hipster <---------------------------------------that way, where I'm appreciated. Ex-SCP master, time for a comeback SCR amateur MD and trig-flux Pro

Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 400	Posted - 2014.04.22 03:41:00 - [41] - Quote Minny medium logi is the only way to go if you are repping a heavy. My core focused reps so much that a Gallente sentinel has to be primary from atleast 4 people to overcome my reps. If there is only 4 he is going to kill 2 of you in 5 seconds. Then the other 2 will die. If there is 5 of you he will kill 2-3 before he goes down and if you haven't targeted me I will take out one more. Possibly stick him with an 80% needle and then the rest of you will die. If this same galsent is repped by two min six kin logis, run away. Because he will kill you all and you won't kill us.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 306	Posted - 2014.04.22 09:34:00 - [42] - Quote Deltahawk Durango wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i agree with most of it. but give the scouts extender/plate hp penalty. slighlty nerf SENTINELS hp by 5% buff assault hp by 3% or 5% logis get slighlty more speed. fixed leave my commando alone... only one of my fittings exceed 1000 hp... thanks for corretcing me. i like the hp the commando has. but its slightly too slow. and the sentinal bonus makes it too difficult to bring down even one of them when they run is groups of 3. so since they have damage reduction bons;'s. i belive they should recive 5% hp reduction. then it will be viable to actually kill them. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 396	Posted - 2014.04.22 10:45:00 - [43] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: thanks for corretcing me. i like the hp the commando has. but its slightly too slow. and the sentinal bonus makes it too difficult to bring down even one of them when they run is groups of 3. so since they have damage reduction bons;'s. i belive they should recive 5% hp reduction. then it will be viable to actually kill them. If they are running 3 to 1 to you why should you be able to kill them ? 1 on 1 a heavy is no problem even in an assault suit with a weapon that the heavy is resistant against . 3 require teamwork and tactics ( namely someone playing bait while the RE scout sneaks up on them ) No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 927	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:28:00 - [44] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I have noticed lately when playing matches that you normally see nothing but Scouts or nothing but Heavies (with maybe 1 actual logi but been seeing alot more "logi scouts" ::) ). I think the main problem is Scouts are overpowered; 1 too many equip slots plus high ability to bulk HP plus also speed (not too mention overextended cloaking). A heavy by itself is not really overpowered as they are supposed to absorb a lot of hits but an entire team of Sentinels with HMGs (which I saw on a Domination last night) are a little too much to deal with especially in an enclosed area. SUMMARY: I think a decent fix/re-balance would be to remove 1 equipment slot from Scouts (where they are left with 1), slightly buff HP for Mediums, and leave Heavies alone. The only scout that is OP is the Gal scout and I'll prove why. 1. It has the most PG of any scout. 2. It's bonuses are very helpful. 3. It does the best in brick tanking compared to other scouts. 4. It can run just as fast as any other scout, which is not right because the Minmatar scout is supposed to be the fastest. And being .01 m/s faster than the Gal scout is basically saying you're the same speed. 5. It has the most versatility and it can do this mostly because of it's PG. 6. All of it's eHP can be passively regenerated. 7. Combined all it's bonuses and advantages make the Gal scout extremely powerful, (which is why it's FOTM), CCP needs to do something about the GAL SCOUT, not particularly the other things (tweaking the armor plates kind of helps). funny enough I encounter more cal scouts. BTW the anarr can do better in brick tanking as the amarr scout is the only one that can pass the 1000 eHP mark if I am not mistaken but of course without the passive rep(that take ages to fully rep you) On the speed thing that's not quite accurate the only thing the gal scout can achieve is he can get pretty close to minni sprint speed. The gal scout will never be able to have higher strafe or walking speed...and by dedicating himself to minni speed the gal scout needs to highly specialize so he will be vulnerable...and the amarr scout is just 0.1 m/s slower than the gal scout as well... The cal scout can get up to 800Hp where 500 can be regenerated at 50hp/s and the cal scout has clearly the best combination of skills. The cal scout is IMHO currently the best assault option. Good speed insane regen more than enough potential HP and able to see most suits with passives alone... The cal scout can be a proto scanner with passives alone (ok at a smaller range but 360 degree and perma on) The minni scout is great for the hacking bonus alone, the NK bonus doesn't make much sense on the minni but the combination of high speed and the fastest hacking makes it a more than viable scout even though he is not the best at killing.


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