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steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 23	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:43:00 - [1] - Quote So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 196	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:47:00 - [2] - Quote It's not that the so called "leet" players don't want the SP advantage, they want the versatility that they have been waiting for and building up for a year and a half. I'm a logi now! :D
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 23	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:51:00 - [3] - Quote Is that why they have to go full proto on new players for the versatility. Iv been here since closed beta to but the get some new life in the game hell. Yes take my sp Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2772	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:53:00 - [4] - Quote Get fucked. I didn't spend a year playing this game to 38M SP so that I could be reset a year later. Find some other way of fixing it, but don't even think about touching my SP. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3514	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:55:00 - [5] - Quote Confirming I am also a member of the "Get ******" camp.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2550	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:55:00 - [6] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Lol april fools was so long ago! For the Federation!
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1423	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:57:00 - [7] - Quote If CCP gives away millions of dollars worth of AUR to the players, do you think they'll be buying any more for the next couple of years? If players aren't buying AUR, how will CCP make any money? If they're not making any money, how will they pay the salaries of the people developing the game? Or pay for servers and bandwidth to run the game? Best PvE idea ever!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3517	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:59:00 - [8] - Quote I had to suffer this games beta and horrible early aiming/not aiming mechanics and memory leaks. Proto stomping is nowhere near as bad as those early issues. New players can suffer, and I hope they do.
Khan Hun Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:59:00 - [9] - Quote This would upset loads of people and be totally pointless. In another years time, do you suggest another reset? What would be the point of SPs at all if the only way to create a half decent NPE is to wipe them every year? CCP needs to create a NPE that eases new players into the game fairly with fun matches and makes them want to play to build up their own SP to be competitive with the vets, instead of throwing them into a vet-run meat grinder. Thats the only way dust will work as a game long term.
Kalante Schiffer 542	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:03:00 - [10] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. sure cuz screw all the ppl who have spent over $200 dollars on the game you know... the "leet tryhards" who actually have supported the game since chromosome and even before then. PSN:MWsRAGE_5

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3439	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:08:00 - [11] - Quote I have 50mil SP I aint giving that up
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:14:00 - [12] - Quote Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3439	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:15:00 - [13] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp No thats more than some players who started 12months ago You know how long it takes to get 30mil SP?
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1205	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:17:00 - [14] - Quote Well, here's the problem: I have as much SP as I do because I have used boosters. If a wipe happens, I would want AUR equal to the amount I put in. They can't just say "Nope!" because that is real money for me. Want to alienate and essentially leave an indelible black mark on your product? Do just that. Also, an SP wipe does nothing for the NPE because in a year you have the same thing. Say you completely wipe, which IS going to cause a lot of people to stop playing because they would be furious, and you get people coming it. In a year's time, you have the 'new people' with 40 million SP. People would have tens of millions of SP and the real new player would be screwed. An SP wipe does nothing for the new player and will just infuriate every single player. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3080	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:18:00 - [15] - Quote I have spent over -ú1000 on this game. So long as I'd get refunded, I'd be happy for two randoms who'd probably quit anyway to take my place defo. A lot of that is still in usable assets so I'd want and expect a refund proportional to what I have In aurum suits, equipment, weapons, grenades and vehicles. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:19:00 - [16] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp NO!! All us chrome vets and no lifers worked our butts off to get our sp count. Why should some new guy who didn't support this game and play it through good, and uprising (bad) get a free ride because they can't learn the hard way that we all did? Official DNS alt The official panty monk of FA.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:19:00 - [17] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. sure cuz screw all the ppl who have spent over $200 dollars on the game you know... the "leet tryhards" who actually have supported the game since chromosome and even before then. Is that all iv spent over -ú500 but I like this game I want it to improve I'm willing to do whatever to make that happen fyi I'm a tryhard to Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3080	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:20:00 - [18] - Quote Also an sp wipe would drive away the players who know this games potential and then usher in people who probably haven't even heard of eve and thus quit anyway. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Kalante Schiffer 542	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:20:00 - [19] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp how about you biomass all your charcters and sell your ps3. 30m sp making a starter alt with out any effort gtfo. PSN:MWsRAGE_5
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3080	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:23:00 - [20] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp You just lost all credibility son. Us beta vets have trained hundreds, if not thousands of players. Spent money that funds part of the games development and gave countless feedback. You are like an ungrateful child who doesn't understand what earning something means. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3518	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:24:00 - [21] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp No. Earn your damn keep.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1109	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:26:00 - [22] - Quote **** me, do you have any idea how long its taken me to get my dropship where it is?! No thanks, new berries can have their trial by fire, that's how I learned dust. I wouldn't give my dropship skills for 2 scrubs ever, I worked hard for that and it barley pays the bills as is!
Orin the Freak The Solecism of Limitation 790	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:33:00 - [23] - Quote You best be trollin'. I'm so tired of all these absolutely r-tarded threads about various wipes/resets. It wouldn't even help anything. Best case (and highly unlikely) scenario if they were to reset SP to 0, CCP manages to retain a large percentage of their current players, everyone is on an even playing field with gear for a few months, then more new guys start complaining about the proto stompers, and it all starts again. Not to mention the actual good players who will still be able to steamroll because they are just that good. Most likely scenario if they did this, CCP alienates the few (relatively) faithful players they still have, causing them to quit since they no longer have any ties to the game, the few that actually stay think they are better off, till it takes them 5 minutes to find a match, that won't be full anyway. Then if/when new people start coming in, the few that stayed will take the place of the "idiots" who left, and the new guys will cry for a full reset because they weren't here since "the beginning" It's a r-tarded idea, and just needs to die. I will absolutely quit if they reset our characters again. Luckily, it won't come to that, because CCP stated baring some kind of catastrophic server malfunction, there will be NO FURTHER RESETS. SP reFUNDS... perhaps. but no resets. This is an online game. HTFU. Wait for better matchmaking/more places for the "endgamers" to go. that or possibly incentives for people to NOT run proto in pub matches. Whatever they do, a reset won't be a part of it. It's like if after the first year, Blizzard said they were going to wipe all characters so the slowasses that weren't there in the beginning could "get a fair shake". No. You start late, you get ganked till you can defend yourself against those high levels. then you get to do the ganking.
SAIRAX SIS Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 49	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:37:00 - [24] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Do you self wipe? s u ! good bye :)
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3080	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:39:00 - [25] - Quote I'd be up for increasing starting sp to around 1 million but giving 30 million straight away will have more people quit because they'd realise a lot sooner that there's nothing in dust that warrants the big grind. I also apologise for being so brash. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
KGB Sleep Inner.Hell 1028	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:40:00 - [26] - Quote You can perfectly spec a role for 7 to 10m SP. You want to help NPE? Write a guide. Better yet, read one. Because beer, that's why.
Patrick57 7107	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:41:00 - [27] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Bad idea is bad, and you should feel bad. Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3080	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:42:00 - [28] - Quote Orin the Freak wrote: You best be trollin'. I'm so tired of all these absolutely r-tarded threads about various wipes/resets. It wouldn't even help anything. Best case (and highly unlikely) scenario if they were to reset SP to 0, CCP manages to retain a large percentage of their current players, everyone is on an even playing field with gear for a few months, then more new guys start complaining about the proto stompers, and it all starts again. Not to mention the actual good players who will still be able to steamroll because they are just that good. Most likely scenario if they did this, CCP alienates the few (relatively) faithful players they still have, causing them to quit since they no longer have any ties to the game, the few that actually stay think they are better off, till it takes them 5 minutes to find a match, that won't be full anyway. Then if/when new people start coming in, the few that stayed will take the place of the "idiots" who left, and the new guys will cry for a full reset because they weren't here since "the beginning" It's a r-tarded idea, and just needs to die. I will absolutely quit if they reset our characters again. Luckily, it won't come to that, because CCP stated baring some kind of catastrophic server malfunction, there will be NO FURTHER RESETS. SP reFUNDS... perhaps. but no resets. This is an online game. HTFU. Wait for better matchmaking/more places for the "endgamers" to go. that or possibly incentives for people to NOT run proto in pub matches. Whatever they do, a reset won't be a part of it. It's like if after the first year, Blizzard said they were going to wipe all WoW characters so the slowasses that weren't there in the beginning could "get a fair shake". No. You start late, you get ganked till you can defend yourself against those high levels. then you get to do the ganking. Agreed but when you see my going 1/10 with knives but number 1 on the board, I can assure you that I ran my arse off keeping the team alive. Winmatar logi with knives right here hahahahaha. o7. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 2138	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:44:00 - [29] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Just cuz you got the game late doesn't mean we should be punished.. We closed beta members have had our sp wiped enough times.. You don't see cod or bf wiping their players after 4 months.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:45:00 - [30] - Quote It's I new this post would upset players and tbh I don't care you can say how train and help players but how about the players you dont. We no ccp takes for ever to do anything we the players that have been here from the start need to lose the op ego and start making in game changes. I have 47mill sp been here from the start and spent -ú500+ on this game to help this game yes I would give it all up. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.

Patrick57 7108	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:49:00 - [31] - Quote steelRatt wrote: I have 47mill sp been here from the start and spent -ú500+ on this game to help this game yes I would give it all up. And all the players who wouldn't give that up will laugh at you as you still complain after your SP is reset. Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3083	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:49:00 - [32] - Quote steelRatt wrote: It's I new this post would upset players and tbh I don't care you can say how train and help players but how about the players you dont. We no ccp takes for ever to do anything we the players that have been here from the start need to lose the op ego and start making in game changes. I have 47mill sp been here from the start and spent -ú500+ on this game to help this game yes I would give it all up. Then maybe because you personally believe this to be fair on new players, you should email CCP to get your sp wiped, I'm pretty certain they'd do that. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 2138	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:50:00 - [33] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp I have been here since the first build in closed beta yet I only have 26m, GTFO go back too wherever you came we don't want you making our game worse.. You chose to wait this long we didn't soo bye. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2387	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:59:00 - [34] - Quote Lololololol No. I JUST hit 20mil last Thursday. Do you know how long it took me to get here?
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 438	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:59:00 - [35] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp I've been here since January 1013 and that's way more than I have built up. So uh... sure, I can just biomass and waste 16 months of work and 200+ Euros spent on this game. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:07:00 - [36] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp You just lost all credibility son. Us beta vets have trained hundreds, if not thousands of players. Spent money that funds part of the games development and gave countless feedback. You are like an ungrateful child who doesn't understand what earning something means. I didn't have any to start with lol Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 581	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:12:00 - [37] - Quote I have been at this for seven months and I wouldn't want anyone to have their SP's taken from them . It doesn't make sense . If we just had a full infantry refund then I believe that would have helped a lot of players who had their who play style changed by 1.8 . That would have been the responsible thing to do and before we have the people saying that crap about choices , a lot of players skilled into items to compete from lack of choices , a lot of what happened in 1.8 changed that but players like myself , were not able to change with those changes . I was becoming a Caldari medic slash support from my logi suits and now my rep tools , scanners and other instruments are not as reliable because of the racial bonuses that now section off certain items to certain races . Some equipment even became broken . Weapons I don't need and or use because of the fact that now I have my own races weapons . Everyone doesn't cross speck into different races ... I don't . The best thing that CCP could do besides a full refund would be just to give an infantry one . It would do more help than harm , players that do the " FOTM " will get it anyway , while players who just are trying to compete will be thankful and inspired . For those who advocated against it , stop looking for reasons to hold players down by having their SP's locked into useless items while you sit on a boatload of unallocated SP's . I don't want another SP event , I would rather make good use of the SP's that I already have . New SP's and a player's market will not help me to use the SP's that are locked into useless items and are more or less dead weight . Can't claim that choices mean something while your choices are changed from the actions that helped you to make the choice in the first place , kind of defeats the purpose of choice . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Patrick57 7108	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:12:00 - [38] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp I've been here since January 1013 and that's way more than I have built up. So uh... sure, I can just biomass and waste 16 months of work and 200+ Euros spent on this game. That's more than 1000 years.. :P Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3083	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:13:00 - [39] - Quote steelRatt wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp You just lost all credibility son. Us beta vets have trained hundreds, if not thousands of players. Spent money that funds part of the games development and gave countless feedback. You are like an ungrateful child who doesn't understand what earning something means. I didn't have any to start with lol I apologised for that anyway, it was a bit brash and I assumed you was a fresh newb because of the post. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 438	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:14:00 - [40] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp I've been here since January 1013 and that's way more than I have built up. So uh... sure, I can just biomass and waste 16 months of work and 200+ Euros spent on this game. That's more than 1000 years.. :P Whooops, I'm old. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.

Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2783	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:24:00 - [41] - Quote I'm pretty sure you've had a resounding GTFO from this community re: SP wipes. I mean, in the end, feel free to wipe my SP. But I will be expecting a full PSN refund from CCP from the large quantity of AUR I have purchased over the last year (dat booster yo) and said refund will be followed in short order by my permanent biomassing of this character and all my others. MarasdF Loron wrote: Patrick57 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp I've been here since January 1013 and that's way more than I have built up. So uh... sure, I can just biomass and waste 16 months of work and 200+ Euros spent on this game. That's more than 1000 years.. :P Whooops, I'm old. I just want to know how you didn't manage to pull 30k over more than a millennium!! Passive on the wrong alt? ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 199	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:25:00 - [42] - Quote steelRatt wrote: It's I new this post would upset players and tbh I don't care you can say how train and help players but how about the players you dont. We no ccp takes for ever to do anything we the players that have been here from the start need to lose the op ego and start making in game changes. I have 47mill sp been here from the start and spent -ú500+ on this game to help this game yes I would give it all up. Well, considering most blueberries, new or not, are completely idiots, no, I don't feel obligated to help them. The amount of times I've seen blueberries try to shoot the MCC, or try to snipe standing up, or even those scumbag blueberries that run around and revive you in the middle of fire fights. I feel no compassion when I stomp those blueberries, cause even when I was new I was never that stupid. I'm a logi now! :D
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 26	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:26:00 - [43] - Quote It's funny how even on the forums not in game were you might lose some Fake money some peeps have to fight. Like I said it was a thought instead of constructive feed back it's all hell no iv worked for my sp. The point was to prove only a few want this game to work some of you have pointed out how much real cash and the time invested in to this game. Yet it's all down to ccp to fix so when this game is all dead at least you won that last match over the new guy.oh and you got a step closer to the top of the leaderboards. Someone even compared dust to Cod saying they don't do wipes true but they bring out a new game every 6 months.dust can be so much more yes ccp need to pull there fingers out there backsides but all the content in the world won't help if players need to win so bad they use bugs and exploits and fotm all the time. We have seen dust change so much from swarms killing the mac to redline rails now ramming DS and tanked scouts and um sure there is more to come. So please carry on rageing over this post call me all the names you want if it makes you happy. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 26	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:28:00 - [44] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: steelRatt wrote: It's I new this post would upset players and tbh I don't care you can say how train and help players but how about the players you dont. We no ccp takes for ever to do anything we the players that have been here from the start need to lose the op ego and start making in game changes. I have 47mill sp been here from the start and spent -ú500+ on this game to help this game yes I would give it all up. Well, considering most blueberries, new or not, are completely idiots, no, I don't feel obligated to help them. The amount of times I've seen blueberries try to shoot the MCC, or try to snipe standing up, or even those scumbag blueberries that run around and revive you in the middle of fire fights. I feel no compassion when I stomp those blueberries, cause even when I was new I was never that stupid. so teach em oh and your blue to them Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 966	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:35:00 - [45] - Quote Yea just refund every cent I've dumped into the game, then I'll go give it to a developer that doesn't suck. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 439	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:41:00 - [46] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I'm pretty sure you've had a resounding GTFO from this community re: SP wipes. I mean, in the end, feel free to wipe my SP. But I will be expecting a full PSN refund from CCP from the large quantity of AUR I have purchased over the last year (dat booster yo) and said refund will be followed in short order by my permanent biomassing of this character and all my others. MarasdF Loron wrote: Patrick57 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp I've been here since January 1013 and that's way more than I have built up. So uh... sure, I can just biomass and waste 16 months of work and 200+ Euros spent on this game. That's more than 1000 years.. :P Whooops, I'm old. I just want to know how you didn't manage to pull 30k over more than a millennium!! Passive on the wrong alt? I did actually make 30k, but not 30m.. :P I think CCP disabled my passive SP gain cause I had been away for way too long, and then I also heard that there were SP wipes in 2012 and 2013. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 474	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:52:00 - [47] - Quote there's many more reasons than SP that new players dont play this game. so what after 2 years are we supposed to do another wipe since you know there's a new batch of new players? this is stupid. yea because i want to keep the SP i grind for that makes me leet? this thread is beyond retrded. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1654	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:01:00 - [48] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Get fucked. I didn't spend a year playing this game to 38M SP so that I could be reset a year later. Find some other way of fixing it, but don't even think about touching my SP. still laughing at your opening statement. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 317	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:11:00 - [49] - Quote Just like the Ttk change didn't save the lower skilled sp players an sp wipe would not either. " oh! Maybe if we all start over I can hold my own since we all have the same stuff and sp! " Go ahead and qq till you get a wipe then let's see what you cry babies come up with next We won't follow the deceiver. You let this be your warning. The path of the wretched is burning..
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 156	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:26:00 - [50] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Pretty radical, but Id like it, even if my 20mio SPs would be gone. I think youd have to wipe all bought assets and give the ISKs/Aur worth back, too. Id reboot the ISK too, but only if the problems are fixed that let ISK rage out of control in the first place. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo

Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 2139	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:26:00 - [51] - Quote The only thing that an sp wipe would do is cause the few players that are good at this game too leave. Which I bet is what you want, that way you don't get stomped anymore. I say go for it but as others have stated I want my money back and then I'll leave. We had too build up sp so why shouldn't they? Because they didn't want too play through the hard freezes, broken mechanics and other **** we went through to help this game? Instead you would rather push us away for the new players who never gave a damn about this game. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 487	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:35:00 - [52] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. CCP don't have the stones to do it. They sorta believe their own press about New Eden and HTFU so they're psychologically conditioned against doing it.
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 218	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:37:00 - [53] - Quote Make it so the new players play against other new players rather than taking them out of academy so early and putting them them in a cluster ****
Meknow Intaki 139	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:43:00 - [54] - Quote I don't like the idea of a sp wipe, but I would get behind a isk wipe =ƒÿü
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:43:00 - [55] - Quote Ccp would never delete the sp we all have and it wouldn't help the point of this post was/is if we new that it would fix the game 100% wouldn't that be a good thing. like I said looks like some don't want the game fixed coz there all here hating the thought of it Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:45:00 - [56] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Make it so the new players play against other new players rather than taking them out of academy so early and putting them them in a cluster **** agree 100% Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI 769	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:47:00 - [57] - Quote steelRatt wrote: It's funny how even on the forums not in game were you might lose some Fake money some peeps have to fight. Like I said it was a thought instead of constructive feed back it's all hell no iv worked for my sp. The point was to prove only a few want this game to work some of you have pointed out how much real cash and the time invested in to this game. Yet it's all down to ccp to fix so when this game is all dead at least you won that last match over the new guy.oh and you got a step closer to the top of the leaderboards. Someone even compared dust to Cod saying they don't do wipes true but they bring out a new game every 6 months.dust can be so much more yes ccp need to pull there fingers out there backsides but all the content in the world won't help if players need to win so bad they use bugs and exploits and fotm all the time. We have seen dust change so much from swarms killing the mac to redline rails now ramming DS and tanked scouts and um sure there is more to come. So please carry on rageing over this post call me all the names you want if it makes you happy. Dude, I seriously can't tell if you are serious or not. Are you trolling? I really can't tell. Earlier you said you would give up your 47million sp for a better NPE, just biomass yourself. I hear it is a new trend on the forums, stupid but new. Also in the quote above you mention that this thread has no constructive feedback. I'm sorry to tell you this but you can't build something sturdy with crap. I think your trolling. You are asking for people to rage. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous*
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:52:00 - [58] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: The only thing that an sp wipe would do is cause the few players that are good at this game too leave. Which I bet is what you want, that way you don't get stomped anymore. I say go for it but as others have stated I want my money back and then I'll leave. We had too build up sp so why shouldn't they? Because they didn't want too play through the hard freezes, broken mechanics and other **** we went through to help this game? Instead you would rather push us away for the new players who never gave a damn about this game. I don't want anyone to leave and don't get stomped to often and you stuck with the game this long you would leave if a sp wipe fixed the game 100% how well the new players learn to love this game like We do if some corps players can't help but stomp every match coz the thought of losing hurts so much.I was in a match we was wining tho it was close with about 5 mins left the ofter team swapped to full proto to win it was a good game even with the lose but the urge to win is so strong in some. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 2140	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:56:00 - [59] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: I don't like the idea of a sp wipe, but I would get behind a isk wipe =ƒÿü Nah I grinded my 200m isk I never received a single paycheck from a corp. That's another grind I'm unwilling to do again. But I see what you did there Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 138	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:56:00 - [60] - Quote I'd find a way to file a lawsuit against CCP if they did that. I have forty million sp and as the Lord as my witness they'd feel my wrath somehow. The forgotten "A" in AAA

Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 2140	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:59:00 - [61] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The only thing that an sp wipe would do is cause the few players that are good at this game too leave. Which I bet is what you want, that way you don't get stomped anymore. I say go for it but as others have stated I want my money back and then I'll leave. We had too build up sp so why shouldn't they? Because they didn't want too play through the hard freezes, broken mechanics and other **** we went through to help this game? Instead you would rather push us away for the new players who never gave a damn about this game. I don't want anyone to leave and don't get stomped to often and you stuck with the game this long you would leave if a sp wipe fixed the game 100% how well the new players learn to love this game like We do if some corps players can't help but stomp every match coz the thought of losing hurts so much.I was in a match we was wining tho it was close with about 5 mins left the ofter team swapped to full proto to win it was a good game even with the lose but the urge to win is so strong in some. I can't play as much as I used to.. Something about graduating? Anyways I don't have the time or patience to make that grind again so I'd just leave. I mean it's cool if it truly helps but I've been here from the start and I will not go through the grind again.. I did that enough in closed beta. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2370	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:59:00 - [62] - Quote there's dozens of ways to handle the npe without a wipe. a wipe is literally the worst possible temporary soloution ever thought of to handle the npe. a wipe would last 3 months then any new players would be back to exactly where we are now.
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 2140	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:02:00 - [63] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: steelRatt wrote: It's funny how even on the forums not in game were you might lose some Fake money some peeps have to fight. Like I said it was a thought instead of constructive feed back it's all hell no iv worked for my sp. The point was to prove only a few want this game to work some of you have pointed out how much real cash and the time invested in to this game. Yet it's all down to ccp to fix so when this game is all dead at least you won that last match over the new guy.oh and you got a step closer to the top of the leaderboards. Someone even compared dust to Cod saying they don't do wipes true but they bring out a new game every 6 months.dust can be so much more yes ccp need to pull there fingers out there backsides but all the content in the world won't help if players need to win so bad they use bugs and exploits and fotm all the time. We have seen dust change so much from swarms killing the mac to redline rails now ramming DS and tanked scouts and um sure there is more to come. So please carry on rageing over this post call me all the names you want if it makes you happy. Dude, I seriously can't tell if you are serious or not. Are you trolling? I really can't tell. Earlier you said you would give up your 47million sp for a better NPE, just biomass yourself. I hear it is a new trend on the forums, stupid but new. Also in the quote above you mention that this thread has no constructive feedback. I'm sorry to tell you this but you can't build something sturdy with crap. I think your trolling. You are asking for people to rage. I'm filled with rage it truly sucks.. Very hard to control as well. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:12:00 - [64] - Quote calisk galern wrote: theirs dozens of ways to handle the npe without a wipe. a wipe is literally the worst possible temporary soloution ever thought of to handle the npe. a wipe would last 3 months then any new players would be back to exactly where we are now. Yes there is dozens of ways to help and off a full sp wipe is the last thing on the list all iv been hearing tho is how ccp need to do this and that to fix it we need to help em tho we can do so much more then ccp coz we are in the matchs it shouldn't just be ccp it's our game we play it spend cash on it and want it to last don't we? Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1453	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:14:00 - [65] - Quote calisk galern wrote: there's dozens of ways to handle the npe without a wipe. a wipe is literally the worst possible temporary soloution ever thought of to handle the npe. a wipe would last 3 months then any new players would be back to exactly where we are now. And what happens next year when the people that were wiped now get to 30-40mil SP range? You going to wipe again for the next batch of newberries? Sure, you could get rid of people's SP but they are still going to trounce new players because they know the maps, the objectives, and all of the equipment. Canari Elphus for CPM1
The Attorney General 2648	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:19:00 - [66] - Quote calisk galern wrote: there's dozens of ways to handle the npe without a wipe. a wipe is literally the worst possible temporary soloution ever thought of to handle the npe. a wipe would last 3 months then any new players would be back to exactly where we are now. that is why there needs to be an asset wipe to go with it. Everyone who has spent aurum on boosters gets all their boosters back, etc. Everyone goes to zero to clean up the inflated ISK from the 3 buybacks and all the PC shenanigans. There is a lot of ill-gotten ISK out there, and it could cause all sorts of problems. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:23:00 - [67] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: calisk galern wrote: there's dozens of ways to handle the npe without a wipe. a wipe is literally the worst possible temporary soloution ever thought of to handle the npe. a wipe would last 3 months then any new players would be back to exactly where we are now. And what happens next year when the people that were wiped now get to 30-40mil SP range? You going to wipe again for the next batch of newberries? Sure, you could get rid of people's SP but they are still going to trounce new players because they know the maps, the objectives, and all of the equipment. Right so let the current player base act with more responsibility until ccp do what ever ur is they plan to so not to scare off new players. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Meknow Intaki 140	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:26:00 - [68] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: I don't like the idea of a sp wipe, but I would get behind a isk wipe =ƒÿü Nah I grinded my 200m isk I never received a single paycheck from a corp. That's another grind I'm unwilling to do again. But I see what you did there I'm in the same position!! I've saved and saved for almost two years now to the tune of 150 million isk but I'd give it up if the trillionairs had to give up there's too=ƒæì
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 2141	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:29:00 - [69] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: I don't like the idea of a sp wipe, but I would get behind a isk wipe =ƒÿü Nah I grinded my 200m isk I never received a single paycheck from a corp. That's another grind I'm unwilling to do again. But I see what you did there I'm in the same position!! I've saved and saved for almost two years now to the tune of 150 million isk but I'd give it up if the trillionairs had to give up there's too=ƒæì Their districts would pay it back though.. Let's be smart about this, we'd have to grind back and they'd just sit on their districts making bank Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Meknow Intaki 140	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:34:00 - [70] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: I don't like the idea of a sp wipe, but I would get behind a isk wipe =ƒÿü Nah I grinded my 200m isk I never received a single paycheck from a corp. That's another grind I'm unwilling to do again. But I see what you did there I'm in the same position!! I've saved and saved for almost two years now to the tune of 150 million isk but I'd give it up if the trillionairs had to give up there's too=ƒæì Their districts would pay it back though.. Let's be smart about this, we'd have to grind back and they'd just sit on their districts making bank The isk wipe could only be implemented after the no risk for over the top amazing rewards cash cow known as planetary conquest is fixed =ƒÿÉ

Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 477	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:42:00 - [71] - Quote so the players who opted out of PC are made to suffer an isk wipe because of those who broke PC to generate isk they now want removed from everybody? u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Meknow Intaki 140	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:11:00 - [72] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: so the players who opted out of PC are made to suffer an isk wipe because of those who broke PC to generate isk they now want removed from everybody? Well maybe CCP would be kind enough to give everyone 50 million isk or something?
jerrmy12 kahoalii 1067	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:13:00 - [73] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Get fucked. I didn't spend a year playing this game to 38M SP so that I could be reset a year later. Find some other way of fixing it, but don't even think about touching my SP. touch Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 357	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:27:00 - [74] - Quote Or, ya know... you could just add a game mode where only basic and militia fits are usable... plus PvE, instead of taking such a risky gamble. I know I wouldn't be likely to continue playing this game if my SP got wiped. The grind is too slow and I'm finally in a decent spot with my meager 26 million SP to play the way I want. Wiping everyone's SP would probably drive more players away than it would get. You're forgetting how underevolved Dust is in comparison to other FPS's, and the fact that it doesn't exactly have a marketing campaign going. Most of the new players come by word of mouth. Who would honestly recommend a game that not only has as many glitches as Dust, and also wipes all the time spent by the gamer to get good gear? It's already hard enough to recommend as is and doing this would be sure to send a vast majority of Dust players to other games. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 552	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:31:00 - [75] - Quote i dont play often, so losing my 23 mil sp would be hell for me. It would take me 2-3 years getting that back, please tell me what would compensate for that? I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 682	Posted - 2014.04.20 19:19:00 - [76] - Quote As others have mentioned it would be a short term solution to either wipe everybody or give new players 30 m SP as you would have to do it every year for each new batch of players. If that is the case you might as well remove SP or give everyone max SP plus a billions of isk. None of the above makes an effective solution to the NPE. The only solution I can see is a graduated introduction to the game e.g. High Sec or a means of avoiding direct conflict e.g. PVE where vets would actually support new players rather than shoot them.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2031	Posted - 2014.04.20 19:30:00 - [77] - Quote You are either 1: A dumbass 2: a kid who wants to be in the same place as the vets 3: a troll 4: a mix of above click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2031	Posted - 2014.04.20 19:32:00 - [78] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: calisk galern wrote: there's dozens of ways to handle the npe without a wipe. a wipe is literally the worst possible temporary soloution ever thought of to handle the npe. a wipe would last 3 months then any new players would be back to exactly where we are now. that is why there needs to be an asset wipe to go with it. Everyone who has spent aurum on boosters gets all their boosters back, etc. Everyone goes to zero to clean up the inflated ISK from the 3 buybacks and all the PC shenanigans. There is a lot of ill-gotten ISK out there, and it could cause all sorts of problems. Are you a complete idiot? It doesn't matter what happens, what kinds of wipes there is, it will always go back to square 1. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2015	Posted - 2014.04.20 19:52:00 - [79] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp I don't understand why ccp just doesn't put anyone under 10 mil sp in matches vs each other....anyone over 10 mil fight in the normal game. problem solved right? furthermore, personally I spent 600$ on this game (I know I'm an idiot) the dren pack, the elite pack, the vetern pack, countless boosters, all the bpo's do you think an aurum refund for over a year of game time and monetary investment is fair recompense for an sp wipe, especially when, quite frankly, the aur market is crap? why should I be further punished for my investment? I'm already stuck with a subpar game. answers to the npe experience are so simple, like adding pve, separating new players from vets and so forth.....and for the record I can run proto and hardly ever do, I run bpo suits with adv links or hives and explosives, so for me it's not about wanting to maintain an advantage, it's wanting to retain what I've worked hard for. edit: just wanted to add one more thought.... when all the new players now hit 30 mil sp and the next new players are in the same boat, do we wipe it all again? until the actual game mechanics are fixed we are taking bandaids to a problem here.... this game makes me sad....
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2015	Posted - 2014.04.20 20:02:00 - [80] - Quote another thing that boggles my mind.... when did it become our responsibility to make dust fun for new players? thats what the devs at ccp get paid for...I'm all about helping new players, but I draw the line at it being my responsibility.... what other game ever made the player responsible for player retention? whay cant ccp do what any number of other games have done for new players, all of which seems to work since those games aren't having this problem.... I swear the dust community has a group within it who act like an abused spouse who feels like it's their fault they get hit.... NO! CCP IS THE PROBLEM, not the players.... even the most douchbag of player is not in the least responsible for npe... ccp is the only problem here! this game makes me sad....

Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 214	Posted - 2014.04.20 20:07:00 - [81] - Quote Yup, goin' with "get f\|\|<3d". I built my versatility and skills up. Taking that away is like giving someone a book and then removing it when they get to the last chapter. There isn't a benefit in it, it doesn't change the issues already present, and I would turn away from CCP and decry them to every person I know. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 30	Posted - 2014.04.20 20:12:00 - [82] - Quote You no its funny peeps keep saying why should I be punished if if fixs the game would that be a punishment. Seymor you are right CCP needs to make dust a better game for a npe but we can help to and iv hard you rage when getting stomped think of the guys playing only 1 or 2 days. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 214	Posted - 2014.04.20 20:27:00 - [83] - Quote Just realized something. A couple of weeks ago, I made an alt and hopped into the Academy with my starter fit. I got something like quadruple the points of the next person down; I was matched by someone doing probably the same thing on the other side. Taking away all the goodies that people have earned wouldn't work because good players are GOOD. I'm way far from the best and I was mopping the floor with folks. NPE has to be a created enviornment, you can't just try to force it on like that. It won't work. Scrubs won't even have a chance to complain about being protostomped, they'll just be confused about why they aren't doing as well and quit. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2015	Posted - 2014.04.20 21:23:00 - [84] - Quote steelRatt wrote: You no its funny peeps keep saying why should I be punished if if fixs the game would that be a punishment. Seymor you are right CCP needs to make dust a better game for a npe but we can help to and iv hard you rage when getting stomped think of the guys playing only 1 or 2 days. yes I hate stomps, I think its poor sportsmanship, and I hate bugs, like getting shot to death through cover...I also agree that theres an element of players that go out of there way to make the game unfun for everyone else, and I do sympathize with new players, I'm never a douchebag to them... but it's ccp's sole responsibility to fix this, and because there are so many ways to fix it an sp wipe would be punishment to people like me who are certainly not top tiered players, gets stomped, and put a lot of hard work and effort (and money) to get where I am.... I bet there are a lot more people like me than there are of the exploiters and stompers whom I believe are the types your thinking of with this sort of idea. unfortunately they are also the people who will be effected the least since without a proper game fix, if they wanted to they could get right back into the position they are in now with in months and we would be right back to square 1. this game makes me sad....
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 152	Posted - 2014.04.20 21:31:00 - [85] - Quote Ok. So let's say that CCP blindly accepted your request to wipe our SP's and bring it all down to 0. Then after a year or two from now, some other "dude" like yourself comes along and makes the same request. After you just earned a good 40+ million SP's. Are you willing to do the same for that chap? If your answer is no. Then GTFO.
Ablerober The Southern Cross Extraction Services 24	Posted - 2014.04.20 21:51:00 - [86] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. I created two alts in the last fortnight and have to say I'm enjoying the experience more this time round. The only thing I would change about the NPE is letting them start with more ISK - luckily my own corp (which contains all three of us) has been able to fund both of these builds. My Amarr alt is doing really well, I wanted him to skill into commando dropsuits and laser rifle. I've only been working on him for the last two weeks and am happy with progress so far. My Minmatar alt will become either an assault or scout with the assault combat rifle - the real work begins in the next month. I don't want the 34M SP from my this (my main character) wiped, as I've been playing on and off for about 15 months and this would be a waste of my m0therfuckin time.
plaplapla Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 21	Posted - 2014.04.20 22:22:00 - [87] - Quote end 10 weeks later we be back where we are now with a lot new players getting there ass kick . then some one on the form wil say let reset all the SP so the new guys can feel good . then 10 weeks later we do all again so that the buthurt noobies can feel good
plaplapla Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 21	Posted - 2014.04.20 22:24:00 - [88] - Quote .
noobsniper the 2nd Inner.Hell 420	Posted - 2014.04.20 23:18:00 - [89] - Quote U reset my sp the tryhard gods will punish u for the stupidity you have caused "things are made of stuff"-Bill Nye MAG vet raven ftw Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft
MINA Longstrike 536	Posted - 2014.04.20 23:26:00 - [90] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. A sp wipe kills this game, completely. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

John ShepardIII G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 218	Posted - 2014.04.20 23:40:00 - [91] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Let me guess, you don't have that much SP do you??? CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN Join out pub channel G0DS AM0NG MEN :D
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Die Fremdenlegion 128	Posted - 2014.04.20 23:54:00 - [92] - Quote Completly not makeable and it should not be done even if possible. Reasons? Sure. The SP system is the persistence stuff and unique for CCP. Reseting would mean nullifying the persistence. Moreover they would loose any trust in gaming community. Think of all the guys that have spend over a year to get those SP. What would be the signal for EVE? Hey you have 200 Million SP but we reset that now. No sir. Third, You cannot buy SP with AURUM. You can buy boosters but nevertheless it takes real time to accumulate SP. So AURUM is not the aproparate stff to compensate what you have earned so far. Next issue, what is about the money you have spend on boosters? Can CCP find out how many boosters each player has consumed? I give it a big maybe (do not know if it is protocolled and how long). Are those booster bought from the market or due to bundles? Is that also stored? => not makeable I am pretty sure this post was only a troll but here you have some serious answers.
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 22	Posted - 2014.04.21 00:00:00 - [93] - Quote Just give new players more sp to start with and a longer academy.Add a better tutorial. *W.I.D.O.S.* when in doubt orbital strike
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2015	Posted - 2014.04.21 00:41:00 - [94] - Quote John ShepardIII wrote: steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Let me guess, you don't have that much SP do you??? someone doesn't know how to do a player search and answer his own stupid question.... this game makes me sad....
137H4RGIC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 160	Posted - 2014.04.21 01:59:00 - [95] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Confirming I am also a member of the "Get ******" camp. Can I have a jacket?
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 31	Posted - 2014.04.21 06:51:00 - [96] - Quote John ShepardIII wrote: steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Let me guess, you don't have that much SP do you??? I have 2 tools with over 30mil each and 4more with over 15 Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 31	Posted - 2014.04.21 06:52:00 - [97] - Quote steelRatt wrote: John ShepardIII wrote: steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Let me guess, you don't have that much SP do you??? I have 2 toons with over 30mil each and 4more with over 15 Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 157	Posted - 2014.04.21 06:53:00 - [98] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Get fucked. I didn't spend a year playing this game to 38M SP so that I could be reset a year later. Find some other way of fixing it, but don't even think about touching my SP. an unannounced ISK wipe All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting, we'll be that spark that starts the fires of doom.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9607	Posted - 2014.04.21 07:00:00 - [99] - Quote steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. The SP advantage will always exist. There will always be those who started at the wipe and those who didn't. Just as it is in EVE. To me all it sounds like is that you want to be at the top of the SP curve, but didn't get into Dust back when those "Leet gerks" (please in future spell it as "elitist jerks"). I am sorry if this is not true for you....but this is indeed a terrible idea.... it will not lead to balance, if that is in fact what you are concerned with, but only serve remove, amongst your elitist jerks some of the most dedicated and long standing supporters of Dust. Maybe not the truly hardcore but some who have invested a significant amount of time and into this game. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 157	Posted - 2014.04.21 07:03:00 - [100] - Quote True Adamance wrote: steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. The SP advantage will always exist. There will always be those who started at the wipe and those who didn't. Just as it is in EVE. To me all it sounds like is that you want to be at the top of the SP curve, but didn't get into Dust back when those "Leet gerks" (please in future spell it as "elitist jerks"). I am sorry if this is not true for you....but this is indeed a terrible idea.... it will not lead to balance, if that is in fact what you are concerned with, but only serve remove, amongst your elitist jerks some of the most dedicated and long standing supporters of Dust. Maybe not the truly hardcore but some who have invested a significant amount of time and into this game. that is where an unannounced ISK wipe would be perfect. ISK is the only thing in game completely separate from AUR purchases. It would have to be unannounced so that People wouldnt stock up All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting, we'll be that spark that starts the fires of doom.

Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 945	Posted - 2014.04.21 08:59:00 - [101] - Quote Thread should be called 'op is an arse wipe'
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1199	Posted - 2014.04.21 09:41:00 - [102] - Quote lol i've just read some cancer post right here hahahaha OP is a cancer and should be removed YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 1197	Posted - 2014.04.21 09:48:00 - [103] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Get fucked. I didn't spend a year playing this game to 38M SP so that I could be reset a year later. Find some other way of fixing it, but don't even think about touching my SP. This. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 32	Posted - 2014.04.21 10:25:00 - [104] - Quote steelRatt wrote: John ShepardIII wrote: steelRatt wrote: So I was thinking about the NPE one way we could handle this is a full sp wipe. Now before all the leets and tryhards get butt hurt Ccp could give us AUR equal to the time played so a vet gets more then someone playing for the past 4 months. This might force some players to leave but is that a bad thing if we get 2 new players to 1 leet gerk it's win win. Let me guess, you don't have that much SP do you??? I have 2 toons with over 30mil each and 4more with over 15 Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1515	Posted - 2014.04.21 12:37:00 - [105] - Quote steelRatt wrote: Well as you guys don't want to help the game how bout they give new players 30mil sp How about You STFU - How about CCP gives them 100k kills and a kdr of 5.0 and w/l ratio of 10.0 while they are at it - how about give them weapons that insta zaps anything that moves - how about they give them only 3 buttons to play with L Stick, R Stick and R1... No need to aim or use equipment or anything just hold R1 and run around... Infinite ammo and so on... Some people and their Scrubberyyy has no limits...
Reaper Alim WarRavens League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:15:00 - [106] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: I don't like the idea of a sp wipe, but I would get behind a isk wipe =ƒÿü I second that and while you at it why not have CCP take the game breaking PC out of the game till it's fix. I mean players being able to lock down districts and farm them with no risk at all is what allows players to so call "Proto Stomp" every game. I mean being able to just have isk giving to you by CCP takes mad skills right? Oh also you are at it have CCP take away everybody's non BPO items aswel.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 94	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:16:00 - [107] - Quote that's a stupid idea
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3999	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:27:00 - [108] - Quote A SP wipe does not wipe away the tactics, training, and muscle memory that fierce mercs has acquired in their FPS career pre Dust and during. Meaning, if you wiped the SP and everyone started from scratch, new players still will be wiped off the map with unrelenting fury by players who has history with this game. The new player experience is that, an experience designed to teach the player about the nuances of Dust 514. It does not teach the player about tactics. Like slicing the pie behind certain covers. How to sweep left and flank when your corpmate heavy is pushing forward on the objective. This is what people constantly get the NPE confused about. I don't think the majority knows what they are asking for. The NPE can't teach a player the many tactics and maneuvers that are used to overcome hostiles in this game. That is learned or taught by others, not by a NPE. Even if you gave the new player 30m SP, don't you know how much that would be squandered and how laughable it would be for a inexperienced player in the ongoing wars of New Eden dying fast and hard due to someone else having tactical advantage over him every single time they match up? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Reaper Alim WarRavens League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:30:00 - [109] - Quote steelRatt wrote: calisk galern wrote: theirs dozens of ways to handle the npe without a wipe. a wipe is literally the worst possible temporary soloution ever thought of to handle the npe. a wipe would last 3 months then any new players would be back to exactly where we are now. Yes there is dozens of ways to help and off a full sp wipe is the last thing on the list all iv been hearing tho is how ccp need to do this and that to fix it we need to help em tho we can do so much more then ccp coz we are in the matches it shouldn't just be ccp it's our game we play it spend cash on it and want it to last don't we? No they don't care if it last all they care about is winning until the game dies from starvation. I mean lets face it the population on the game is so awesome and is totally not declining so we really don't need to keep new players in the game we just need to keep stomping them till the point where the game completely die and then all that money yall spent on the game will be even more useless, because they will be no one to play with other then the few 30M plus SP/4B isk hand me down players. So to you all GG cause when this game dies because the old just get off on grieving new till they don't play any more, all I got to say is I've only spent 40 USD and 8 months on this game and I won't be phased by the death of this game. Tho I would like to see the game improve. Again GG all you try-hard elitists.
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. 396	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:31:00 - [110] - Quote no. Primus sucks.

Reaper Alim WarRavens League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:54:00 - [111] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: no. Funny you should say no. LOL Just saying.


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