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thomas mak
The Nether Dragon
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:45:00 -
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Start a corp called 'The Nether Dragon' for 2 days, but I am still the only player in it, anyone teah me how to increase number of member of a corp?
The Nether Dragon
ya I am the CEO
and a pilot
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Operative 2511 Dajli
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
30
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:51:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:Start a corp called 'The Nether Dragon' for 2 days, but I am still the only player in it, anyone teah me how to increase number of member of a corp?
You put an alt in another corp and start getting people to leave that corp and join yours. I believe that is called poaching.
That is looked down on but that would be the traditional, EVE sanctioned metagame way of doing it.
Or you could do like Duna corp and auto invite people or mail them for invite then set everybody to director privileges so they can't leave due to having to drop corp roles before being invited to another corp.
Both of these will make you forever hated so do it on an alt only.
Lol, the ban hammer got me!
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Richard Hansaw
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
19
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:58:00 -
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Recruit peeps in Local Chat, learn which are the starter (NPC) corps and send mails to every good guy from them you find in a match.
I can't think of anything else. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5178
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Posted - 2014.04.20 09:00:00 -
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Building a GOOD reputation (as opposed to the reputation you have for being thomas mak) is a good start.
Play the game, work with players who aren't squadded up, see how they perform and how well you work together, then message anyone you think you can work with effectively. Check their Corp and make sure it's not one of the more prominent player Corps, and if it looks promising, send a message. Invite them to join, mention that you fought alongside them and thought you worked well together.
If you have a mic, turn it on, and use team chat to say "hi". Wait a while and see if anyone else picks up - many players don't turn their mics on until they hear someone else talking. Once you get talking to someone, ask their character name, find them, work with them. As before, message them after and invite them to the Corp.
Post #2 has the dishonourable options, but this is how you go about it if you want to make friends while expanding your Corp.
Post #3 also brings up a good point with local chat - that's a great place to meet and recruit people. |
LT Dans Legs
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
370
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Posted - 2014.04.20 09:17:00 -
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Starting from scratch is nearly impossible at this point without an influx of new players. Which I dont see happening any time soon. It's very sad but true. Your better off joining a corp. Bullet Cluster is looking for people by the way. Just apply.
To Live Is To Die
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12459
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Posted - 2014.04.20 09:25:00 -
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LT Dans Legs wrote:Starting from scratch is nearly impossible at this point without an influx of new players. Which I dont see happening any time soon. It's very sad but true. Your better off joining a corp. Bullet Cluster is looking for people by the way. Just apply.
Smooth.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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LT Dans Legs
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
370
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Posted - 2014.04.20 09:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:LT Dans Legs wrote:Starting from scratch is nearly impossible at this point without an influx of new players. Which I dont see happening any time soon. It's very sad but true. Your better off joining a corp. Bullet Cluster is looking for people by the way. Just apply. Smooth.
Well we try. 
To Live Is To Die
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Orin the Freak
The Solecism of Limitation
788
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Posted - 2014.04.20 09:44:00 -
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It's not what you know, it's who you know. People just starting out have an uphill battle for recruiting, but it's entirely possible. just don't expect to fill up with proto slayers right away. You have to build up from scratch. It helps a lot if you, yourself are a solid player (at least a 2.0 or 3.0 KDR, and a positive attitude), this will make people want to group with you. if you get people who want to group with you, they might also want to be in your corp. if they aren't as good as you, then you will have to (politely and carefully) train them to improve.
if you are mediocre at best, and don't have any connections to any good/well-known players, then it would be far more advisable to join a corp first, get better, make some connections, then decide if you really want to strike out on your own.
It's a long road, friend. Travel it with wisdom, not haste. |
thomas mak
The Nether Dragon
87
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Posted - 2014.04.20 09:56:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:It's not what you know, it's who you know. People just starting out have an uphill battle for recruiting, but it's entirely possible. just don't expect to fill up with proto slayers right away. You have to build up from scratch. It helps a lot if you, yourself are a solid player (at least a 2.0 or 3.0 KDR, and a positive attitude), this will make people want to group with you. if you get people who want to group with you, they might also want to be in your corp. if they aren't as good as you, then you will have to (politely and carefully) train them to improve.
if you are mediocre at best, and don't have any connections to any good/well-known players, then it would be far more advisable to join a corp first, get better, make some connections, then decide if you really want to strike out on your own.
It's a long road, friend. Travel it with wisdom, not haste.
But I am linker, logi, and hive spammer, I fight but my KD is 1.35 now
The Nether Dragon
ya I am the CEO
and a pilot
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General John Ripper
20255
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Posted - 2014.04.20 10:03:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:Start a corp called 'The Nether Dragon' for 2 days, but I am still the only player in it, anyone teah me how to increase number of member of a corp?
Offer to pay new members 1 mill for joining.
Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed.
Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5178
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Posted - 2014.04.20 10:04:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:But I am linker, logi, and hive spammer, I fight but my KD is 1.35 now
Then you're going to be seen as a mediocre player if you're in a squad and they aren't seeing the benefits of your Logi-ing. Are you repairing and reviving teammates well (by "well" I mean consistently focusing your Repair Tool on the guys backing out of fire, and NOT reviving teammates only to see them shot down instantly)? Are you placing hives in positions where your teammates are seeing benefits from them? Are your Uplinks being used regularly?
If you're near the top of the WP leaderboard with 1.35-ish K/D, you'll probably be ok if you're working with people who understand the game. |
thomas mak
The Nether Dragon
87
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Posted - 2014.04.20 10:26:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:thomas mak wrote:But I am linker, logi, and hive spammer, I fight but my KD is 1.35 now Then you're going to be seen as a mediocre player if you're in a squad and they aren't seeing the benefits of your Logi-ing. Are you repairing and reviving teammates well (by "well" I mean consistently focusing your Repair Tool on the guys backing out of fire, and NOT reviving teammates only to see them shot down instantly)? Are you placing hives in positions where your teammates are seeing benefits from them? Are your Uplinks being used regularly? If you're near the top of the WP leaderboard with 1.35-ish K/D, you'll probably be ok if you're working with people who understand the game.
ppl never complain about me logi-ing, my hive give me 500-1000WP per game, my link never be distroyed and bring me 500-100WP per game
The Nether Dragon
ya I am the CEO
and a pilot
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Orin the Freak
The Solecism of Limitation
790
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Posted - 2014.04.20 10:35:00 -
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hate to say it, but being a logi is no excuse for a low KDR. I am a logi, have been since Uprising (launch). but all through the beta I was more or less an assault/run and gunner.
Protip: Only go repper logi if you have a good (and I mean GOOD) heavy to follow around. Otherwise it's a waste of your time, and KDR.
Then again, slayer logi is a hard pill to swallow right now, due to the derpification of medium suits, and gimpyness of logi fitting space.
Still valid though. I guess what I'm trying to say is, KDR is what people look at for face value on how good someone is. Not even necessarily overall KDR, but game to game. If you go 30-4 in a match without orbitals, I dare say you're probably going to make some friends. that or at least get people looking. if you do well like that in several matches, expect to get noticed.
It's not fair, really it isn't. but a solid player can pull at least a 2.0 KDR, regardless of class/gear. I've been running mostly sub-10k suits, and since 1.8, my KDR has been taking a dive. almost down to 2.0 now. that said, I honestly don't really care about my KDR anymore. Not when you get one shotted by RE's, Tanks, Shotguns, Thales, and road-kills. There's no reason to care about KDR anymore. There are so many cheap ways to die that it actually has cheapened the game. This is why I feel we need ISK efficiency to start taking the place of KDR. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5179
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Posted - 2014.04.20 11:24:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:ppl never complain about me logi-ing, my hive give me 500-1000WP per game, my link never be distroyed and bring me 500-100WP per game
Assuming that was 500 - 1000 and not 100, that means you should be hitting around 2000-isn on your logi work alone. If you're doing that AND getting a positive K/D with it (1.0 or better) then you're probably in a good position. Work with people, watch how they play (seeing the way someone fights is MUCH more valuable than their stats - trust me on this). Send messages after a good game, complimenting the people you want to join you, and advising them that you're recruiting. If you've been providing good support for the team, they'll often remember your name for something you did, particularly if the message goes out right after the match. At worst, you annoy someone who doesn't want to join a team. More likely though, you'll find a new friend who will be willing to work with you in future, and in time you might get a new teammate out of it.
If you're putting up less than 3000 WP running as a Logi though, you're probably only a mediocre player and could use some work (or more teamwork). Saying your Uplinks are never destroyed means you're never putting them in the risky places which can turn the tide of a battle. A good player will rarely, if ever, lose one, but a GREAT player will lose a couple in most battles, but each time it will be valuable.
Another point I forgot to address is to BE PATIENT. Two days is NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. You haven't had ANY time to build up reputation, make friends, start recruitment... you basically haven't had time to DO ANYTHING yet.
Orin the Freak wrote:hate to say it, but being a logi is no excuse for a low KDR. I am a logi, have been since Uprising (launch). but all through the beta I was more or less an assault/run and gunner.
Protip: Only go repper logi if you have a good (and I mean GOOD) heavy to follow around. Otherwise it's a waste of your time, and KDR.
You can - if you're good at it - provide good use as a repper Logi (or a repper Scout) by moving from one hot zone to another and staying behind friendly lines patching up the people who fall back to heal. You'll be picking up Triage points, and occasional Guardian points from kills, and you don't need to get lots of kills or assists to be useful like that. You SHOULD be getting very few deaths doing this, because you'll be staying out of the line of fire for the most part, but people WILL remember and recognise you as "that guy who patched me up" and if you message them, they'll probably think kindly of you even if your final stats weren't the best.
Quote:Still valid though. I guess what I'm trying to say is, KDR is what people look at for face value on how good someone is. Not even necessarily overall KDR, but game to game. If you go 30-4 in a match without orbitals, I dare say you're probably going to make some friends. that or at least get people looking. if you do well like that in several matches, expect to get noticed.
SOME people look at your K/D as a measure of skill. Many of the smarter ones ignore that in favour of watching your performance in-game, and seeing where you placed on the scoreboard and with how many points. A good Logi running AS a Logi shouldn't be CARING about their K/D, and a smart recruiter will look for the numbers that make a REAL difference.
Quote:It's not fair, really it isn't. but a solid player can pull at least a 2.0 KDR, regardless of class/gear. I've been running mostly sub-10k suits, and since 1.8, my KDR has been taking a dive. almost down to 2.0 now. that said, I honestly don't really care about my KDR anymore. Not when you get one shotted by RE's, Tanks, Shotguns, Thales, and road-kills. There's no reason to care about KDR anymore. There are so many cheap ways to die that it actually has cheapened the game. This is why I feel we need ISK efficiency to start taking the place of KDR.
We've needed ISK efficiency measurement for a LONG time now, and we need more people to pay more attention to those other stats - revives, healing given, etc. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12461
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:04:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:hate to say it, but being a logi is no excuse for a low KDR. I am a logi, have been since Uprising (launch). but all through the beta I was more or less an assault/run and gunner.
I have seen some absolutely fantastic logistics players keep full squads on their feet in really heavy and difficult fighting but go negative. It disappoints me when I see people spouting this rubbish.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
3080
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:24:00 -
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There's different ways of building your corp, generally your options are............
Take any players you can, quantity over quality
Take specific players who will fit in with your corps goals (My corps been doing this for months and the player base doesn't support this) so quality over quantity
Wait until the game is good enough to support a player base that offers what your corp needs, a long wait
Your other options are to simply do what most of the players do in this game, talk sht and circle jerk to where you want to be. Ultimately you are going to find out how full of ish people are in this game and probably quit eventually, iv been plating over a year and I'm going by what iv seen happen repeatedly. I'd have to be a complete idiot to think you'd be any different.
Also that player count is linked with eve on the startup screen, there's between 2k - 4k dusters online at any given time on average, most of which are already in corps and for a lot of players, dust is on the precipice of failure or success. Granted the game will go on until its run into the ground.
To save you a lot of wasted time as well. Planetary conquest is just a very time consuming and expensive version of skirmish with risk esque type mechanics but that's the end game and its basically owned by an alliance. There is no higher level of play at all, newbs with 25 mil sp will tell promises of how great this game will be and that there's a whole lot your missing. You are missing nothing but wasted time and a whole fk load of talking rather than fighting. So my advice for you is to simply come back to dust when you can actually do what you want and when it has a decent player base.
Tldr - Sucks to be you if you need a tldr.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1411
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:26:00 -
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Spam Minecraft servers with a name like that .
Me in my ADS: 1,2
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2277
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:27:00 -
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you may always spam "-join-in-my-corp?" mails every match! it works!
-#Firmocosìperchènonhopersonalità
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
3080
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:30:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Orin the Freak wrote:hate to say it, but being a logi is no excuse for a low KDR. I am a logi, have been since Uprising (launch). but all through the beta I was more or less an assault/run and gunner. I have seen some absolutely fantastic logistics players keep full squads on their feet in really heavy and difficult fighting but go negative. It disappoints me when I see people spouting this rubbish.
Lol, I can confirm iv kept whole teams in games before and gone 1-9, my k/d is 3.65. I'll be sure to whip out 1 of my 9 proto weapons rather than decent equipment when I see this guy in match. I have been a logi since the 24/1/2013.
There's combat oriented Logis and support oriented and iv been doing both solid, its much harder to be a support logi than combat logi, do you kill two guys or save 3............
Obviously not aimed at you Arkena.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
477
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:45:00 -
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make a recruitment thread and use your own sock puppet alts to bump post while complimenting your leadership skills
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
forum warrior .189
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
3530
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:52:00 -
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LT Dans Legs wrote:Starting from scratch is nearly impossible at this point without an influx of new players. Which I dont see happening any time soon. It's very sad but true. Your better off joining a corp. Bullet Cluster is looking for people by the way. Just apply.
its not impossible but it is hard...
Just when you play pub matches look for people in NPC corps that do well and send them a message after game seeing if they are interested in joining a corp and give them your pitch.
Sir Hadah for CPM
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CRYPT3C W0LF
SilenT AngelS
RISE of LEGION
613
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:55:00 -
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1 Send mass recruit links
2 Make tax rate 100%, Promote all players to terrestrial officer
3 ?
4 Profit
Thats what Duna does anyways 
I Make Youtube Videos!:)
Forum evolution, the cycle must continue...
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Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4824
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:33:00 -
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Richard Hansaw wrote:Recruit peeps in Local Chat, learn which are the starter (NPC) corps and send mails to every good guy from them you find in a match.
I can't think of anything else.
Congratulations: you have just build yourself a ragtag army of probably inactive noobs.
I'm from the weird side of the internet
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Patrick57
7110
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:46:00 -
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The best way is to join a corp, make friends, show them you're a good leader. When you've earned their trust, ask some of them if they'd like to break off with you and 'build' a new corp, with good intentions in mind.
Hell is empty and all the devils are here.
-William Shakespeare
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
958
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:54:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Richard Hansaw wrote:Recruit peeps in Local Chat, learn which are the starter (NPC) corps and send mails to every good guy from them you find in a match.
I can't think of anything else. Congratulations: you have just build yourself a ragtag army of probably inactive noobs.
Yeah, that's what happens when you just randomly recruit people. It's what happened to my the 1st corp I started, had 30+ people but only 4 including myself was ever active. I even had all sorts of gimmicks like 500k ISK for each member someone recruited & monthly raffles for ISK and PSN cards but it didn't work.
The best way to go about recruiting people is to squad up with people on a regular basis and then invite the active ones you really enjoy playing with to your corp and ask them to do the same.
Support Orbital Spawns
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12495
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Posted - 2014.04.20 18:30:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Richard Hansaw wrote:Recruit peeps in Local Chat, learn which are the starter (NPC) corps and send mails to every good guy from them you find in a match.
I can't think of anything else. Congratulations: you have just build yourself a ragtag army of probably inactive noobs. Yeah, that's what happens when you just randomly recruit people. It's what happened to my the 1st corp I started, had 30+ people but only 4 including myself was ever active. I even had all sorts of gimmicks like 500k ISK for each member someone recruited & monthly raffles for ISK and PSN cards but it didn't work.
I know the feeling.
Oh yeah, I really know that feeling.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1662
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:45:00 -
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Charisma is a good thing. Myself, ChicagoCubs, Grease Spillet, Burseg Sardakar, etc... Charisma brings people to you. Leadership locks them down. I wasn't a top tier slayer and just okay, many would say competent. My skills alone didn't bring in players. My ability to get people to like me and gather around me as well as surround myself with ambitious individuals helped me build up a corp.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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Medical Crash
CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY
280
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:32:00 -
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thomas mak wrote:Start a corp called 'The Nether Dragon' for 2 days, but I am still the only player in it, anyone teah me how to increase number of member of a corp?
Take many low SP players and train them up, the ones that stay, are the ones you can trust the most. (You need to research everyone, too many "alts" out there) Most already high SP members will only take the easy way out and will always join the "top dog" corps. No one wants to put in the work.
Be careful giving roles, when people get access to the corp wallet,it "changes" them.
After months of practicing Q syncs, and fighting in PC a bit, you should have a decent sized team.
Make your squads "public". communicate on mic a lot, and message players asking them if they would like to join you.
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Medical Crash
CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY
280
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:35:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Charisma is a good thing. Myself, ChicagoCubs, Grease Spillet, Burseg Sardakar, etc... Charisma brings people to you. Leadership locks them down. I wasn't a top tier slayer and just okay, many would say competent. My skills alone didn't bring in players. My ability to get people to like me and gather around me as well as surround myself with ambitious individuals helped me build up a corp.
Vague terminology, what you are referring to is good social skills, and most important of all, "frame control". If a person does not have a strong "frame", then people will not respect you, nor care what you have to say. Not something you can really fake either. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5184
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:57:00 -
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Medical Crash wrote:Vague terminology, what you are referring to is good social skills, and most important of all, "frame control". If a person does not have a strong "frame", then people will not respect you, nor care what you have to say. Not something you can really fake either.
So what you're telling us is that thomas mak can't fake being not thomas mak?
Well, that might be a problem then... |
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