DUST Search - The Shotgun: Please Explain

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Thurak1 wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Thurak1 wrote:

Can i have a heavy weapon that can 1 shot any infantry suit that does not have a 4 second chage time or leave me immobile?

What? The HMG not good enough for you?

I would KILL for an HMG on my scout. Gimme a Six Kin Burst for my Minmatar Scout, and I'll have the whole forums on fire

If you had the movement of a heavy i bet you wouldnt want a HMG so much. In fact you obviously don't want the movement of a heavy otherwise you would play one since you think the hmg is so great.

How does the heavys mobility affect my outlook on the HMG?

HMG is a fantastic weapon. Thats why I want one for my scout Twisted

Thing is, the HMG is like the shotgun. It's damn POWERFUL if you get it into range. Getting it into range is of course the challenge then.

Cloaks trivialized shotguns, but the heavy still faces a similar challenge to pre-1.8 scouts. Positioning.

Heavies are not solo characters. You need squad support. Squad mates should provide enough covering fire to get you (and your logi) into position. You draw the fire as you advance. Squadmates should provide enough counter-fire to kill the targets, or make them duck behind cover.

Once you reach them, it's game over. Anyone who is decent with a Boundless will WRECK anyone they get into range with. With a logi, it would take several mercs combined fire to take you down. If you abuse cover, and pop in and out while spraying HMG, you should win most fights.

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DMH Bond Dust OMEGA corp United Brotherhood Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:17:00 - [1] - Quote I have a 1008 eHP Minmatar proto logi fit that is getting 2 and 3 shotted my scouts with shotguns. How CCP is this possible. Its either a glitch that needs to be corrected or needs to be nerfed.
Tectonic Fusion 1505	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:19:00 - [2] - Quote Get a 1600 EHP Amarr Heavy if you don't want to be a glass cannon... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 469	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote well it is a shotgun in every FPS they usually 1 shot you not 2 or 3 u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12420	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:20:00 - [4] - Quote The guy is within 5 metres of you, using a weapon that is completely useless past that. It takes him three shots from his relatively slow firing weapon to kill you. What is the problem here? I would say its your idea that such a thing should be impossible because you brick tanked your logi to over 1000 HP. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6970	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:20:00 - [5] - Quote DMH Bond wrote: I have a 1008 eHP Minmatar proto logi fit that is getting 2 and 3 shotted my scouts with shotguns. How CCP is this possible. Its either a glitch that needs to be corrected or needs to be nerfed. There is something that I'm wondering how it's possible, but it's not the 2-3HK Shotgun. Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS] [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Clone D 237	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:21:00 - [6] - Quote DMH Bond wrote: I have a 1008 eHP Minmatar proto logi fit that is getting 2 and 3 shotted my scouts with shotguns. How CCP is this possible. Its either a glitch that needs to be corrected or needs to be nerfed. The enemy probably shot you more than that but only 2 or 3 sound effects are rendered on your client. It's a synchronization problem. It's one of the sad facts of life about Dust 514. .
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 70	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:22:00 - [7] - Quote I'm sorry, I'm not quite understanding something here. You get shot 2-3 times by a shotgun. And you die. And this is somehow wrong? Please explain.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2372	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:23:00 - [8] - Quote Shotgun... it's doing what it's supposed to do. If you're shield tanking, you'll get shredded by it like a LVL 99 Super Soaker going through a LVL 1 Paper Armor.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2581	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:24:00 - [9] - Quote It means the Enemy is 1) Hitting you within the optimal of 5m 2) Hitting you with the whole slug (the whole circle is directly over your body) This is meant to be rather difficult to achieve however the current iteration of cloaks MAKES Shotguns OP, they are not OP by them selves. Or it might be a Breach Shotgun, if it's a Breach then it's designed to kill heavies, that's its job. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Scheherazade VII 417	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:25:00 - [10] - Quote translation: it killed me, let's cry nerf because it killed my brick suit i use a minmatar light frame, i never see that suit but I use it anyway and I love destroying proto heavies/logis with it and hearing you cry! i am that guy

Tectonic Fusion 1505	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:28:00 - [11] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: It means the Enemy is 1) Hitting you within the optimal of 5m 2) Hitting you with the whole slug (the whole circle is directly over your body) This is meant to be rather difficult to achieve however the current iteration of cloaks MAKES Shotguns OP, they are not OP by them selves. Or it might be a Breach Shotgun, if it's a Breach then it's designed to kill heavies, that's its job. Mine fails to kill Amarr and Gallente heavies. I think it needs 4 shots. It's not like it will be OP. That's still half the normal clip size for the shotgun. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 469	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:33:00 - [12] - Quote not sure if op is trolling or srs u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 72	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:36:00 - [13] - Quote What do people think happens to the scout after he has shot someone at 5m with a shotgun and kills them? They die, because they are sitting in the middle of the enemy, on their own, with much less hp than everyone else. If the enemy had no nearby backup that's his/his team's fault for not sticking together. Trouble is people are incapable of thinking about things from other people's perspective. They just think "oh I died, scouts/cloaks are op." They don't think about the risk the shotgun user has to make to get the kill. Also if someone hits you twice with a breach shotgun they have hit you with literally an entire magazine without missing, you should be dead. If I get shot by a shotgun in my std min logi with a std CR, half of the time I still win the engagement, so I have no sympathy for all the whinging.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 462	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:46:00 - [14] - Quote A shotgun does something like 400 damage per shot. If he landed a head shoot it would only take two volleys to kill you. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 373	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:50:00 - [15] - Quote Aiming center mass within five (5) meters, a CRG-3 used by an Operation V Shotgunner will hit for around 500 damage per blast. Within 5 meters, downward variability occurs if/when a percentage of pellets miss the target. Within 5 meters, upward variability occurs when a percentage of pellets hit the head. Beyond 5 meters, efficiency Rating drops linearly and damage potential drop exponentially. It stands to reason that you are being 2-shotted when your adversary blasts you in the face / head, and 3 shotted when he fails to hit you in your face / head. Bang?
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5131	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:52:00 - [16] - Quote DMH Bond wrote: I have a 1008 eHP Minmatar proto logi fit that is getting 2 and 3 shotted my scouts with shotguns. How CCP is this possible. Its either a glitch that needs to be corrected or needs to be nerfed. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA 3 Shotted with a SG! ? YOU ARE RIGHT! It should only take 1 shot to kill a 1000 HP red dot with a shotgun a point blank. FIX CCP. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1875	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:54:00 - [17] - Quote Please, do not take OP seriously. The SG is bad. Support my thread. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155689&find=unread
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4812	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:58:00 - [18] - Quote I've had my caldari commando's 400 shields gone in absolutely no time from standard rail rifles and mass drivers. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 558	Posted - 2014.04.19 23:12:00 - [19] - Quote Can i have a heavy weapon that can 1 shot any infantry suit that does not have a 4 second chage time or leave me immobile?
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2856	Posted - 2014.04.19 23:16:00 - [20] - Quote And the problem with this is what? That a guy sneaked up onto you and actually gets the kill while you are using a bricktanked logi? Thats so 1.7 get with the times man. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.

Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 73	Posted - 2014.04.19 23:18:00 - [21] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Can i have a heavy weapon that can 1 shot any infantry suit that does not have a 4 second chage time or leave me immobile? A HMG kills much quicker than a shotgun at much longer range so I don't know what you are talking about. Unless you aren't talking about shotguns and just want some kind of awsome 1HK heavy weapon? Maybe the Gallente one? 1HK on any suit might be op though without a charge. Unless it's a hammer...
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 558	Posted - 2014.04.19 23:33:00 - [22] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Can i have a heavy weapon that can 1 shot any infantry suit that does not have a 4 second chage time or leave me immobile? A HMG kills much quicker than a shotgun at much longer range so I don't know what you are talking about. Unless you aren't talking about shotguns and just want some kind of awsome 1HK heavy weapon? Maybe the Gallente one? 1HK on any suit might be op though without a charge. Unless it's a hammer... I do not understand your argument. A weapon that can 1hk most suits and has no charge up time can easily kill faster than a hmg.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 334	Posted - 2014.04.20 02:22:00 - [23] - Quote DMH Bond wrote: I have a 1008 eHP Minmatar proto logi fit that is getting 2 and 3 shotted my scouts with shotguns. How CCP is this possible. Its either a glitch that needs to be corrected or needs to be nerfed. Adv Shotguns with a full shotgun blast = 500 hp. Proto is at 600, so don't be surprised that it doesn't kill you in even 2 shots. "One does not simply" run 11.12 m/s. You do it with 63.00 Stamina Regen.
Jenza's Pants The Hetairoi 163	Posted - 2014.04.20 02:23:00 - [24] - Quote DMH Bond wrote: I have a 1008 eHP Minmatar proto logi fit that is getting 2 and 3 shotted my scouts with shotguns. How CCP is this possible. Its either a glitch that needs to be corrected or needs to be nerfed. trolling? lol.
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 455	Posted - 2014.04.20 02:34:00 - [25] - Quote I don't want to hear complaints about the shotgun considering due to the awful hit detection I sometimes fire and hit absolutely zero and then get insta-killed because everyone nearby heard the "phtoom", immediately panic and turn around. Obviously OP has never used one before. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 558	Posted - 2014.04.20 03:03:00 - [26] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: I don't want to hear complaints about the shotgun considering due to the awful hit detection I sometimes fire and hit absolutely zero and then get insta-killed because everyone nearby heard the "phtoom", immediately panic and turn around. Obviously OP has never used one before. I havent had any issues with hit detection using a shotgun myself and i engage a bit further out than most scouts shooting at people 10 meters away. I am a controller user though.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 484	Posted - 2014.04.20 03:25:00 - [27] - Quote the shotgun suks without a cloak and still with a cloak i can think of at least 2 better guns to use with a cloak
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2006	Posted - 2014.04.20 03:31:00 - [28] - Quote DMH Bond wrote: I have a 1008 eHP Minmatar proto logi fit that is getting 2 and 3 shotted my scouts with shotguns. How CCP is this possible. Its either a glitch that needs to be corrected or needs to be nerfed. SHOT GUNS AT CLOSE RAGE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON IN MOST FPS GAMES. sry caps...not retyping... you also have to ask yourself: 1. is it a proto shotty 2. were you head shot? 3. was anyone else also shooting at you? even if the answer to all these questions is no 2-3 shots is much more than most suits get, what? did you think because you put on a fat suit you should be invincible? this game makes me sad....
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5135	Posted - 2014.04.20 03:37:00 - [29] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Can i have a heavy weapon that can 1 shot any infantry suit that does not have a 4 second chage time or leave me immobile? You have. BURST HMG. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 906	Posted - 2014.04.20 03:41:00 - [30] - Quote Why is this an issue? It's a SHOTGUN, how many shots do you expect it to take? Measure in ttk not in shots fired. HMGs and rifles will kill just as quickly. Did you know my PLC can absolutely obliterate your suit in 1, count em 1, hit?! Or that a Forge gun can also do the same? Obviously those need nerfing because minimum to kill someone is 30 shots, regardless of rof.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4306	Posted - 2014.04.20 03:47:00 - [31] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Can i have a heavy weapon that can 1 shot any infantry suit that does not have a 4 second chage time or leave me immobile? What? The HMG not good enough for you? I would KILL for an HMG on my scout. Gimme a Six Kin Burst for my Minmatar Scout, and I'll have the whole forums on fire I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 277	Posted - 2014.04.20 04:13:00 - [32] - Quote DMH Bond wrote: I have a 1008 eHP Minmatar proto logi fit that is getting 2 and 3 shotted my scouts with shotguns. How CCP is this possible. Its either a glitch that needs to be corrected or needs to be nerfed. Are you running around solo?
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 559	Posted - 2014.04.20 04:30:00 - [33] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Can i have a heavy weapon that can 1 shot any infantry suit that does not have a 4 second chage time or leave me immobile? What? The HMG not good enough for you? I would KILL for an HMG on my scout. Gimme a Six Kin Burst for my Minmatar Scout, and I'll have the whole forums on fire If you had the movement of a heavy i bet you wouldnt want a HMG so much. In fact you obviously don't want the movement of a heavy otherwise you would play one since you think the hmg is so great.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4308	Posted - 2014.04.20 05:28:00 - [34] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Can i have a heavy weapon that can 1 shot any infantry suit that does not have a 4 second chage time or leave me immobile? What? The HMG not good enough for you? I would KILL for an HMG on my scout. Gimme a Six Kin Burst for my Minmatar Scout, and I'll have the whole forums on fire If you had the movement of a heavy i bet you wouldnt want a HMG so much. In fact you obviously don't want the movement of a heavy otherwise you would play one since you think the hmg is so great. How does the heavys mobility affect my outlook on the HMG? HMG is a fantastic weapon. Thats why I want one for my scout Thing is, the HMG is like the shotgun. It's damn POWERFUL if you get it into range. Getting it into range is of course the challenge then. Cloaks trivialized shotguns, but the heavy still faces a similar challenge to pre-1.8 scouts. Positioning. Heavies are not solo characters. You need squad support. Squad mates should provide enough covering fire to get you (and your logi) into position. You draw the fire as you advance. Squadmates should provide enough counter-fire to kill the targets, or make them duck behind cover. Once you reach them, it's game over. Anyone who is decent with a Boundless will WRECK anyone they get into range with. With a logi, it would take several mercs combined fire to take you down. If you abuse cover, and pop in and out while spraying HMG, you should win most fights. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 484	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:58:00 - [35] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Can i have a heavy weapon that can 1 shot any infantry suit that does not have a 4 second chage time or leave me immobile? What? The HMG not good enough for you? I would KILL for an HMG on my scout. Gimme a Six Kin Burst for my Minmatar Scout, and I'll have the whole forums on fire If you had the movement of a heavy i bet you wouldnt want a HMG so much. In fact you obviously don't want the movement of a heavy otherwise you would play one since you think the hmg is so great. How does the heavys mobility affect my outlook on the HMG? HMG is a fantastic weapon. Thats why I want one for my scout Thing is, the HMG is like the shotgun. It's damn POWERFUL if you get it into range. Getting it into range is of course the challenge then. Cloaks trivialized shotguns, but the heavy still faces a similar challenge to pre-1.8 scouts. Positioning. Heavies are not solo characters. You need squad support. Squad mates should provide enough covering fire to get you (and your logi) into position. You draw the fire as you advance. Squadmates should provide enough counter-fire to kill the targets, or make them duck behind cover. Once you reach them, it's game over. Anyone who is decent with a Boundless will WRECK anyone they get into range with. With a logi, it would take several mercs combined fire to take you down. If you abuse cover, and pop in and out while spraying HMG, you should win most fights. Use a combat rifle and a smg if u want a hmg on ur smal suit its exactly the same
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2983	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:06:00 - [36] - Quote Pro tip from a 40 mil sp REAL veteran logi: Use a complex profile dampener and/or a cloak. Tanking your suit isn't viable in 1.8, especially as a minmatar. My 4 low slots: armor plate, profile dampener, sprint mod, armor repair. Shotgun scouts rely too much on tacnet and passive scans. If you aren't on their tacnet, they won't go after you. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 868	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:30:00 - [37] - Quote Lol the OP obviously has not encountered Nova knives. He would be crying that I killed him in 1 charged swipe. My knives do over 1300 damage per charge. Fear me :P // Fully Specced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guard Director //
Mike De Luca Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.04.20 14:59:00 - [38] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Pro tip from a 40 mil sp REAL veteran logi: Use a complex profile dampener and/or a cloak. Tanking your suit isn't viable in 1.8, especially as a minmatar. My 4 low slots: armor plate, profile dampener, sprint mod, armor repair. Shotgun scouts rely too much on tacnet and passive scans. If you aren't on their tacnet, they won't go after you. Not always, some of the best will take an actual visual look before rushing in, I have to because my passive scan isn't all that great yet
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 662	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:04:00 - [39] - Quote DMH Bond wrote: I have a 1008 eHP Minmatar proto logi fit that is getting 2 and 3 shotted my scouts with shotguns. How CCP is this possible. Its either a glitch that needs to be corrected or needs to be nerfed. Shoguns do shield damage: Proto sg does 44 armor damage 50 to shields with pro 5, twelve pellets a shot, you do the math. My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 135	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:13:00 - [40] - Quote I run a 500 hp mini/amarr logi and everything wants to kill me and often does. So OP needs to get a grip. Just cause you've got 1000hp shouldn't make you immune. Running logi often means you are the first to die. GÇ£Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.GÇ¥ GÇò Frank Zappa

Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 967	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:16:00 - [41] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: the shotgun suks without a cloak and still with a cloak i can think of at least 2 better guns to use with a cloak That's just slanderous lies. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 484	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:34:00 - [42] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: the shotgun suks without a cloak and still with a cloak i can think of at least 2 better guns to use with a cloak That's just slanderous lies. ok yeah lies, i guess thats why my breach ar consistently does better than my shotgun when cloaked? the shotgun is a pos and has been since beta its completely unreliable if you have to shoot at someone more than once with it.cloaked sg scouts are hardly anything to be afraid of let alone is it OP ur just weak in mind and skill
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 570	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:35:00 - [43] - Quote 44 damageX12 projectials per shot=528 potential damage 528*2=1056 I three shot most heavies, what makes your brick logi special? Thr33 is the magic number.


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