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Shiyou Hidiyoshi Dirt Nap Squad. 556	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:47:00 - [1] - Quote I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ******** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear * Attack my children attack!
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI 756	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:52:00 - [2] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ******** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane Damn this is soooooo condescending. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous DNS first to use game theory. Neo-Realism. Prisoner dilemma look it up b4 you meta
Wolfica Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 605	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:56:00 - [3] - Quote um they formed an alliance between all the best players in the game .... including a few scrubby ones because were nice Do you even PC bro.... ha I bet you don't. forum warrior lvl .5
Patrick57 7026	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:59:00 - [4] - Quote Because I said so. Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Dirt Nap Squad. 559	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:12:00 - [5] - Quote Wolfica wrote: um they formed an alliance between all the best players in the game .... including a few scrubby ones because were nice Yes! How dare they! It is clearly stated in the EULA Section 472 paragraph -3.1 "You can't have too many good corps in one alliance, it is unfair and mean * sad face " @Patting the Rick I'm not acting like I'm better than anyone. Just stating the obvious and asking people to clarify. I like to test people and do surveys, such as this to see how people react and respond. I am a curious person who always question things. holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear Attack my children attack!
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:13:00 - [6] - Quote Anyone noticing the sudden lack of people posting yet? Or should I give them a minute?
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2359	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:27:00 - [7] - Quote well this is the millenials generation so their feelings are all that matters. Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Zohar Colichemarde Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 36	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:35:00 - [8] - Quote I don't think DNS is abusing PC. They just managed to win a terrible lobby shooter! :V A congratulations is in order! I toast my champagne glass of Mountain Dew to you, sirs. I <3 Laser Rocks.
Patrick57 7026	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:38:00 - [9] - Quote I love all the Goonfeet guys that have started posting in the War Room. XD Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 559	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:43:00 - [10] - Quote Zohar Colichemarde wrote: I don't think DNS is abusing PC. They just managed to win a terrible lobby shooter! :V A congratulations is in order! I toast my champagne glass of Mountain Dew to you, sirs. lol I agree with Patrick, these guys are great. Get more of your home boys in here, give us at least some entertainment in this bad shooter. holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear * Attack my children attack!

Games Haven The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 40	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:48:00 - [11] - Quote From now on, all Goons will be viewed as despicable villains dressed in top hats and monocles, twirling their mustaches and yelling a big hearty "**** You!" to everyone else. I love those guys. May or may not be not the guy you might be thinking of.
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2654	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:14:00 - [12] - Quote Games Haven wrote: From now on, all Goons will be viewed as despicable villains dressed in top hats and monocles, twirling their mustaches and yelling a big hearty "**** You!" to everyone else. I love those guys. No Goons wear whatever mittens says they wear which I hear it's No Shirts No Shoes Free ISK April... For us Gents it;s all about Top Hats and Monocles as well as Mustaches OR Muttonchops, saying good day to you sir and to you. How to Leave PC
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6794	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:23:00 - [13] - Quote Stupid OP is stupid. The real question you should be asking is; "How ISK obtained from PC is risk free?" You know, considering how your land can be taken away from you at any point in time (a lesson that 97.96% of MH has learned), and by (theoretically) anyone, and there's a chance you won't get your "ISK Machine" back. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9523	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:33:00 - [14] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ****** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane This issue is mainly with the ISK though. By abusing locking, and everyone is PC are responsible for this, you have created the worst imbalance this game could possibly have seen before a true market was implemented, and that is ISK imbalance. As a section of the community, the dominant parts never have to worry about ISK ever again, now in any game mode outside of PC you enter you are fundamentally unbalancing gameplay....mainly Pubs, which you all look down on with disdain.... that attitude is wrong. PC should have been a monster of a game mode so that one faction could never afford to hold, or be able to hold 100%, or even 50%..... it should have been a place for meta, not for donuts under one new allegiance banner after another. I'm poor as *, have no reason to enter PC, not because I don't seek competition, but because initial ISK ceiling is huge, and because apparently now I need to be a member DNS to even attempt to get in it? Thats never how PC should have been...... but understandably if PC ever opens up even DNS cannot control the whole of New Eden. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"* -Dagger Two
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4582	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:45:00 - [15] - Quote Zohar Colichemarde wrote: I don't think DNS is abusing PC. They just managed to win a terrible lobby shooter! :V A congratulations is in order! I toast my champagne glass of Mountain Dew to you, sirs. Thanks for the cheers but we prefer Free Beers Edit. QQ Kain
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 563	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:53:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ****** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane This issue is mainly with the ISK though. By abusing locking, and everyone is PC are responsible for this, you have created the worst imbalance this game could possibly have seen before a true market was implemented, and that is ISK imbalance. As a section of the community, the dominant parts never have to worry about ISK ever again, now in any game mode outside of PC you enter you are fundamentally unbalancing gameplay....mainly Pubs, which you all look down on with disdain.... that attitude is wrong. PC should have been a monster of a game mode so that one faction could never afford to hold, or be able to hold 100%, or even 50%..... it should have been a place for meta, not for donuts under one new allegiance banner after another. I'm poor as *, have no reason to enter PC, not because I don't seek competition, but because initial ISK ceiling is huge, and because apparently now I need to be a member DNS to even attempt to get in it? Thats never how PC should have been...... but understandably if PC ever opens up even DNS cannot control the whole of New Eden. Isk imbalance is mainly CCP's doing. Players just made it even stronger. There will always be rich and poor though. We don't look down on pubs, they just get boring after a while. As does PC PC was never a monster of a mode, it has only been a place of isk farmers and people looking out for themselves. PC has always been a meh version of skirm. holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear Attack my children attack!
MythTanker The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 88	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:05:00 - [17] - Quote Im kinda glad DNS took most of MH. You are setting up a badass mega war to go down in the eve history book. I dont know why people are crying "doom for dust" You DNS guys are facing too many factors to keep most of MH. All it takes is one of your "Super-Power Corps" to get greedy and betray. Or maybe a bad ass rebellion, which is already in the makes due to our beloved french, and the other corps still in the fight. To sum it up, you are just little war stories in the Dust history book, while some other movement is going. o7 The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 563	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:08:00 - [18] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Im kinda glad DNS took most of MH. You are setting up a badass mega war to go down in the eve history book. I dont know why people are crying "doom for dust" You DNS guys are facing too many factors to keep most of MH. All it takes is one of your "Super-Power Corps" to get greedy and betray. Or maybe a bad ass rebellion, which is already in the makes due to our beloved french, and the other corps still in the fight. To sum it up, you are just little war stories in the Dust history book, while some other movement is going. o7 The alliance probably won't be long term. We want to fight each other for fun, not fight early in the day against some pretend heroes. I just want ESO to come out then I'll be afk from Dust for a good time. I need a break :/ holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear * Attack my children attack!
Fire2MyBlunt The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 206	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:10:00 - [19] - Quote Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Proud member and Director of The Phoenix Federation I don't go by chubby.. They call me the Hulk around here.
MythTanker The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 88	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:12:00 - [20] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ agreed +1 The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton

Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 807	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:14:00 - [21] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ You like my melee build :D?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9529	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:15:00 - [22] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ****** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane This issue is mainly with the ISK though. By abusing locking, and everyone is PC are responsible for this, you have created the worst imbalance this game could possibly have seen before a true market was implemented, and that is ISK imbalance. As a section of the community, the dominant parts never have to worry about ISK ever again, now in any game mode outside of PC you enter you are fundamentally unbalancing gameplay....mainly Pubs, which you all look down on with disdain.... that attitude is wrong. PC should have been a monster of a game mode so that one faction could never afford to hold, or be able to hold 100%, or even 50%..... it should have been a place for meta, not for donuts under one new allegiance banner after another. I'm poor as *, have no reason to enter PC, not because I don't seek competition, but because initial ISK ceiling is huge, and because apparently now I need to be a member DNS to even attempt to get in it? Thats never how PC should have been...... but understandably if PC ever opens up even DNS cannot control the whole of New Eden. Isk imbalance is mainly CCP's doing. Players just made it even stronger. There will always be rich and poor though. We don't look down on pubs, they just get boring after a while. As does PC PC was never a monster of a mode, it has only been a place of isk farmers and people looking out for themselves. PC has always been a meh version of skirm. No doubt but because there is no economy there is no flow of ISK, just a haemorrhaging of ISK into the pockets of the filthy rich, which in turn is rarely destroyed either because there is not fighting, or the rate of destruction cannot keep with with the rate of ISK injections. I would have prefered PC to be a monster of a mode, sliding sovereignty scales, slow takes overs, a district of everyone, weight of numbers being a factor, out of corp or allaince ISK flow, coalitions, etc. I'm not saying they shouldnt reap the rewards of owning many districts......but instead that either there need to be more avaialble, or the upkeep on controlling many districts is high enough to dissuade total control, but not prevent it if someone wants to prove a point, while being untenable to hold long term. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"* -Dagger Two
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 125	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:23:00 - [23] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9533	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:30:00 - [24] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques. CCP has been trying to remove passive ISK gain for years....... I'm surprised they tolerate this. And no Derrith is isn't care bear logic. Since you are a part of the Donut dominating this of course you would defend it, you don't have to do anything, and you can play this game in whatever way you want, whenever you want. If only the strong survive why are you in favour of a system that doesn't encourage competition, meta, or managing of resources and timers? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2364	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:37:00 - [25] - Quote tolerate? Have you not seen them let nullsec passive farm with no end forever? ugh I ate to much pizza i need to lay down Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6797	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:38:00 - [26] - Quote Free Beers wrote: tolerate? Have you not seen them let nullsec passive farm with no end forever? ugh I ate to much pizza i need to lay down Your doing it wrong. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9533	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:42:00 - [27] - Quote Free Beers wrote: tolerate? Have you not seen them let nullsec passive farm with no end forever? ugh I ate to much pizza i need to lay down They can't really do anything to the Null - Sec passive ISK farm that is PI.....that's not to say CCP is supportive or in favour of it. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Fire2MyBlunt The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 207	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:51:00 - [28] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques. Not care bear tatic at all. Its what is done on EVE so should be implemented on Dust514 as well if you have a PvP system going on. It then doesn't allow people to controll 100% of things and keeps competition in the game. And when you talk about care bearing , all this is doing is care bearing your wallet with lifetime stocks of Passive isk . You want us to fight back but how can we fight back when we have no larger clone packs to fight back with and Not enough isk to wage war against an enemy that keeps generating PASSIVE isk. Not your fault as well . just a bad game mechanic that needs to be fixed. Now by the time it's fixed lets say MH gets taken over and corporations start fighting back ETC. And you start losing a lot of land . You guys have enough isk stocked up to just mass attack all of MH to take it all back in one night . Now do you see where i am going here. I'm not QQing either just pointing out the bad mechanics part of the PvP system. Proud member and Director of The Phoenix Federation I don't go by chubby.. They call me the Hulk around here.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9534	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:58:00 - [29] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: yep derrith again wrote: Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques. Not care bear tatic at all. Its what is done on EVE so should be implemented on Dust514 as well if you have a PvP system going on. It then doesn't allow people to controll 100% of things and keeps competition in the game. And when you talk about care bearing , all this is doing is care bearing your wallet with lifetime stocks of Passive isk . You want us to fight back but how can we fight back when we have no larger clone packs to fight back with and Not enough isk to wage war against an enemy that keeps generating PASSIVE isk. Not your fault as well . just a bad game mechanic that needs to be fixed. Now by the time it's fixed lets say MH gets taken over and corporations start fighting back ETC. And you start losing a lot of land . You guys have enough isk stocked up to just mass attack all of MH to take it all back in one night . Now do you see where i am going here. I'm not QQing either just pointing out the bad mechanics part of the PvP system. That's why is would be better to have sovereignty systems for PC in place, slower take overs, more attrition and ISK loss to take systems and planets, less overall net gain, more time for competition, more need for numerical superiority, more need to out of alliance hiring and work, etc. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:13:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: yep derrith again wrote: Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques. CCP has been trying to remove passive ISK gain for years....... I'm surprised they tolerate this. And no Derrith is isn't care bear logic. Since you are a part of the Donut dominating this of course you would defend it, you don't have to do anything, and you can play this game in whatever way you want, whenever you want. If only the strong survive why are you in favour of a system that doesn't encourage competition, meta, or managing of resources and timers? I never said what he proposed was care bear logic, simply what nearly everyone else and their proposals entailed. Just because I'm part of the donut doesn't mean that I defend this point simply because of that one reason. I defend it because I think it's right. I've called DNS when they invaded KEQ's recruitment thread, and while in PX1 I objected to Mike about locking and not using our own guys vehemently. And last I checked, I've been in quite a few PC's recently. I'd hardly say that I don't do anything, and I have to fight to get paid. And to be perfectly frank, I do whatever I see fit to turn the tide of a battle, so your remark of me doing whatever I want, whenever, is rather true. (MY SP gap is my crutch) And on the blue doughnut. You view it as hypocritical that the strong band together to dominate and conquer. But think of it like this. Have you ever heard of the Norse tale of the Fenris wolf? The tale goes as such. Odin, Norse god of thunder, had scryed into the future. In the vision, he saw a terrible wolf who was destined to swallow him whole and kill the rest of the gods, upon the days of Ragnarok, or end times. Odin had accepted this fate, but he wanted to stall this as much as possible. Odin then set forth a plan to trap the wolf using various occult elements. The sound of a cats footstep, the beard of a woman, and the breath of a fish among other things were used to create the chains to bind the wolf. Once completed the Norse gods set out to ensnare the wolf. In the battle that ensued between the gods and the wolf, Fenrir put up one heck of a fight, even managed to bite off the arm of Tyr. But the struggle was futile, they captured the wolf, bound him to a rock, and gagged him with a sword. The wolf was bound to remain there until the days of Ragnarok, when he would gain enough strength to escape, battle with Odin and swallow him whole. If the gods had decided to just say "hey, screw the wolf! Let's fight amongst each other!", the end times would've come much more quickly. But in the alliance, they maintained a peace for many generations before the final day. This wasn't really the best example, I didn't really find a Norse tale with a proper fall in for ringers (Hessians), so this was the closest I could get. To those who read this and interpret it as the end times, know that all things come to an end. I have accepted this, much like Odin, but I'm not Odin in this scenario. In this Scenario, DNS is Odin. The Fenrir is the community who will swallow Odin once it has stored enough energy (skill and Isk). Then the Fenrir will be on top, but will then get slain by the son of Odin, Vidar. The above pattern has happened before, the reign of Eon is the prime example. Odin crushed Fenrir (in this case, Cronos, and Hellstorm). Then Fenrir returned (in the FEC wars and as AE) and swallowed Odin whole. As said before, this has happened before, and I predict it will happen again.

m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 530	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:28:00 - [31] - Quote DNS is playing the game the way it's meant to be played. You may not like it, I know I don't, but kudos to them for doing it. Whether they're doing It for lulz, epeen stroking, proving a point to CCP or for ISK farming doesn't much matter. I think the most impressive thing they did was house all of those huge egos under one flag for this long. All said and done, yes I'm upset that PC is at a "stalemate" currently, but it's not DNS' fault, or problem. Good job DNS.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1637	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:42:00 - [32] - Quote It's not a matter of abuse. Such a mono-polar state of affairs was nearly inevitable eventually; it just required the will to do it. Literally the only reason EoN didn't do what DNS has done is because the EoN community is built by FPS types here for the 'good fights', who 'caught feelz' and didn't want to 'ruin the game'. During EoN's rise they also weren't tied to EvE so didn't see the point of MAXIMIZING ISK generation and to a certain extent MAG types seem to be against being perceived as the evil empire. Timing related to the growth of the economy, SP, and the size of the 'challenger' pool has a lot to do with it too I think, but I digress... The inevitability is a matter of the design of PC and more importantly economics of the game. The people who are on top are part of a class that has been, and always will be on top given the current model - OBT/CBT vets who started PC with the seed funding that was the post-Chromosome item refund and rose out of the first couple wars on top and achieved a period of successful ISK generation (or have allied themselves with those who did) The fact is... those powerful people either left the game or finally realized the benefits of banding together against... the peons. It was a bit of an inevitable conclusion made possible through politically savvy leadership supported by undeniable skill on the ground. Icing on the cake for the current donut is the fact that on top of that, in a model where there IS no market on which capital can be made to work for you through trade, Spero created a way for capital to work for him through leverage of his rep in the community, implicitly endorsed by CCP through tags, to market his escrow services. Respect; no hate. Each successive donut was larger and more powerful than the last because the PC model and the broader lolconomy is a system where power and wealth aggregate to large PC land holders (and escrow services lolz), and the wealthy have a significant advantage over the poor. Economically, there is no realistic way to build up funds to challenge this 'upper class' while building a competitive corporation. Note that I am talking about the PC 'class' not the current 'donut'. You can compare the PC model to the EvE Sov model which after many years has resulted in a similar situation in sov nullsec. The flaw is that at least in EvE there are plenty of active and passive ways to generate wealth in HISEC which can then be leveraged to challenge (ha!) existing sov power players. With the notable exception that you could trade massive amounts of EvE ISK for Dust ISK ... through services controlled by the current power block of course... in Dust, the only non-PC income available is through pub matches. Let's repeat that. In Dust, the only non-PC income available is through pub matches. This is ... flawed ... in several ways, mostly related to the fact that *pubs pit PC challengers directly against the class of PC powers* (i.e. pubstompers). The current "power" has the advantage that they can run top-tier gear while experimenting with any fit or vehicle they like. If you want to nerd out, they are in essence 'training' for PC because they get to 'pub' how they 'pc'. Potential "Challengers" are forced to either accept routine defeat and forego 'training' in their preferred PC gear by running cheapfits and getting stomped, or they proto up themselves - which degrades their income and puts us back to square one: No one can generate the ISK to effectively challenge the PC class. One can argue some of the above points, but it's basically a solid assessment of the situation. It's... not news. We've known it since the week PC came out. DNS gets hated on because they're at the top of an unbalanced, imperfect system. So looking down from on high one can either play the snide, arrogant aristocrat or have some class. I vote arrogant aristocrat, but I also <3 Amarr so opinions may vary. "Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay it's price."
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2577	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:00:00 - [33] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: This is ... flawed ... in several ways, mostly related to the fact that *pubs pit PC challengers directly against the class of PC powers* (i.e. pubstompers). The current "power" has the advantage that they can run top-tier gear while experimenting with any fit or vehicle they like. If you want to nerd out, they are in essence 'training' for PC because they get to 'pub' how they 'pc'. Potential "Challengers" are forced to either accept routine defeat and forego 'training' in their preferred PC gear by running cheapfits and getting stomped, or they proto up themselves - which degrades their income and puts us back to square one: No one can generate the ISK to effectively challenge the PC class. One can argue some of the above points, but it's basically a solid assessment of the situation. It's... not news. We've known it since the week PC came out. DNS gets hated on because they're at the top of an unbalanced, imperfect system. So looking down from on high one can either play the snide, arrogant aristocrat or have some class. I vote arrogant aristocrat, but I also <3 Amarr so opinions may vary. o/ Rogation! I love you! I do disagree slightly because FA did exactly this. I had very little isk to my name...and created FA with about 10 core vets and then I went to go find recruits in pubs. Now I will say my previous experience can be a reason to discount FA..because others won't enjoy the level of experience I did daily in Team, but this is less of a problem when you consider how I financed FA initially. I clone packed with money I made from ringing the corp out while holding no land...this allowed the corp to grow in PC experience while being paid to run proto. In addition...great players can make a profit off of running proto. Especially if you go in with 6 players. Mercing out until we had enough members and isk to get some districts was our method...there's probably more ways this was just the way we used to progress to contesting and ultimately taking districts from...AE. CEO of FA B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9554	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:17:00 - [34] - Quote m twiggz wrote: DNS is playing the game the way it's meant to be played. You may not like it, I know I don't, but kudos to them for doing it. Whether they're doing It for lulz, epeen stroking, proving a point to CCP or for ISK farming doesn't much matter. I think the most impressive thing they did was house all of those huge egos under one flag for this long. All said and done, yes I'm upset that PC is at a "stalemate" currently, but it's not DNS' fault, or problem. Good job DNS. The aim of Dust is to usher in an age of farming and peace? I though we were clone mercenaries bred for war? If PC is 100% in the hands of DNS it ceases to be a useful of viable game modes and there is no point in having it, but to provide members with ISK they are doing nothing to earn. In the end I don't really care. I maintain a solid 6 Million ISK account balances and I practically only ever play FW, being the only game mode I actually want to play, just pointing out the fallacies of a player base that preaches competition and currently has blued up completely the most competitive game mode....... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1638	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:26:00 - [35] - Quote <3 Z... Good points all, and part of the 'some bits are debateable' but ... I hear you did good things with FA so not taking away from that obviously, but think your core's status as 'PC class' is pretty solid lol. Your income through Mercing is something I didn't think to add, but ... the fact that you got paid to fight for someone else is an indicator of the established "PC class" status. Even things like having a viable FC on the field are part of the 'PC class' thing... expensive and hard won experience that just adds additional layers to the difficulties a 'green' organization would have. So... I get what you're saying, but not a good case study of 'PC Challenger' corp :-) Haven't played in a while but I'll agree you can profit in proto; every suit lost just cuts into income significantly and tougher against top tier guys. "Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay it's price."
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 531	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:35:00 - [36] - Quote True Adamance wrote: m twiggz wrote: DNS is playing the game the way it's meant to be played. You may not like it, I know I don't, but kudos to them for doing it. Whether they're doing It for lulz, epeen stroking, proving a point to CCP or for ISK farming doesn't much matter. I think the most impressive thing they did was house all of those huge egos under one flag for this long. All said and done, yes I'm upset that PC is at a "stalemate" currently, but it's not DNS' fault, or problem. Good job DNS. The aim of Dust is to usher in an age of farming and peace? I though we were clone mercenaries bred for war? If PC is 100% in the hands of DNS it ceases to be a useful of viable game modes and there is no point in having it, but to provide members with ISK they are doing nothing to earn. In the end I don't really care. I maintain a solid 6 Million ISK account balances and I practically only ever play FW, being the only game mode I actually want to play, just pointing out the fallacies of a player base that preaches competition and currently has blued up completely the most competitive game mode....... As for ushering in farming and peace, no. The simple fact is that the corps outside of the blue doughnut don't have the players or resources to take them down, or want to apparently (besides a few corps I see actually attacking them). I have enough ISK to wage a small war against DNS. If I knew any players outside of the doughnut that I thought were capable of defeating them I would be more than glad to wipe my whole bank account in the effort. Unfortunately most of the 'true' PC ready players are already in a DNS corp or have abandoned their own corp for the ISK DNS pays out. Like I said I dislike this PC stalemate greatly. But I will give credit where it's due. The fact that blue'd all those corps to do it is a completely different argument.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 532	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:41:00 - [37] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: MythTanker wrote: Im kinda glad DNS took most of MH. You are setting up a badass mega war to go down in the eve history book. I dont know why people are crying "doom for dust" You DNS guys are facing too many factors to keep most of MH. All it takes is one of your "Super-Power Corps" to get greedy and betray. Or maybe a bad ass rebellion, which is already in the makes due to our beloved french, and the other corps still in the fight. To sum it up, you are just little war stories in the Dust history book, while some other movement is going. o7 The alliance probably won't be long term. We want to fight each other for fun, not fight early in the day against some pretend heroes. I just want ESO to come out then I'll be afk from Dust for a good time. I need a break :/ ESO is out on PC! I played the beta a bit. Honestly I wasn't impressed. Felt like a dumbed down version of the ES franchise meant for little children. Not on par with games like WoW. I'm sure I'll subscribe at some point and give it a legit whirl, we'll see...
Void Echo Total Extinction 2440	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:08:00 - [38] - Quote Easy: 1. Your denying everyone else entry into PC, thus killing the game by lack of competitiveness and interest in community growth. 2. Your gaining Billions of ISK a day which puts you at the tippy top of the wealthiest in Dust while telling those that cant afford the **** you have scrubs that need to "get gud", demonstrating that your arrogant, selfish, ignorant and downright assholes. 3. Your using PC as a way to force people to join your alliance so you guys have an increased tax percentage into your wallets. 4. Your using the PC ISK to fund proto stomping which is killing the playerbase on the pub match spectrum. 5. You refuse to fight anyone on your level as evident of absorbing all the top 500 players in the game so you can get infinite ISK from broken ISK making PC mechanics. did I miss anything? Youtube Closed Beta Vet CEO: Total Extinction
xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 123	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:34:00 - [39] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ If it's not one thing it's another... *I LOGI LIKE I GIVE A FLUX* \|Director of Fatal Absolution\| \|\|Ringer Hub Creator\|\|
smartlayer What The French Red Whines. 108	Posted - 2014.04.17 06:02:00 - [40] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ******** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane trolling need more skill than that and the answer about the 5 points is in the last 4 letters of your post

Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2014.04.17 06:09:00 - [41] - Quote Void Echo wrote: 3. Your using PC as a way to force people to join your alliance so you guys have an increased tax percentage into your wallets. Great idea. I'll make a "training corp" with a high tax rate tomorrow.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 399	Posted - 2014.04.17 08:06:00 - [42] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Easy: 1. Your denying everyone else entry into PC, thus killing the game by lack of competitiveness and interest in community growth. 2. Your gaining Billions of ISK a day which puts you at the tippy top of the wealthiest in Dust while telling those that cant afford the **** you have scrubs that need to "get gud", demonstrating that your arrogant, selfish, ignorant and downright assholes. 3. Your using PC as a way to force people to join your alliance so you guys have an increased tax percentage into your wallets. 4. Your using the PC ISK to fund proto stomping which is killing the playerbase on the pub match spectrum. 5. You refuse to fight anyone on your level as evident of absorbing all the top 500 players in the game so you can get infinite ISK from broken ISK making PC mechanics. did I miss anything? 1. You are not entitled to districts. You are arrogant to say how people should play in sandbox gameplay. 2. The generation of ISK on districts of which again you are not entitled to, players can decide to band together and take over regions like in Eve how they can go about doing that and what rewards that they get in return falls on CCP. 3. Baseless speculation 4. People who are experienced and are good players have never had funding problems outside PC. 5. If the rationale applies that the 'Top 500' can band together and take over MH solely by themselves than solely those corps should be the only ones in PC if they weren't in a alliance together, since it shows that no other corps outside of DNS are capable of fending for themselves. You must remember the most important aspect is come planet expansion into Nullsec Dust corps will most likely have to aligned themselves to larger alliance already situated in Nullsec, this already happens in Eve of course due to the sheer fact that no one corp or alliance can simply step in without being initiated into larger coalitions without being crushed by basically every entity within Nullsec. So the situation is already a reality in Dust and Eve where you can not apply any standards to a sandbox game. This game will fail because of the amount of unpolished , unbalanced mechanics and weapons not because the player base chose to use any one of them. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 486	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:18:00 - [43] - Quote Who cares ? It's your districts do whatever you want with them. I don't understand the need to explain/justify that you guys are doing al the time. Can you however send me some isk =ƒÿé War never changes
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 259	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:27:00 - [44] - Quote I'm curious to how many would shoot themselves if ccp wiped out every ones isk :P Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Ridire Greine 217	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:31:00 - [45] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: I'm curious to how many would shoot themselves if ccp wiped out every ones isk :P Its never going to happen.
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:28:00 - [46] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Easy: 1. Your denying everyone else entry into PC, thus killing the game by lack of competitiveness and interest in community growth. 2. Your gaining Billions of ISK a day which puts you at the tippy top of the wealthiest in Dust while telling those that cant afford the **** you have scrubs that need to "get gud", demonstrating that your arrogant, selfish, ignorant and downright assholes. 3. Your using PC as a way to force people to join your alliance so you guys have an increased tax percentage into your wallets. 4. Your using the PC ISK to fund proto stomping which is killing the playerbase on the pub match spectrum. 5. You refuse to fight anyone on your level as evident of absorbing all the top 500 players in the game so you can get infinite ISK from broken ISK making PC mechanics. did I miss anything? 1) It is called planetary conquest. Not "lets all hold hands like a bunch of hippies". Just saying bro 2) What else are we supposed to do with it? Give it to the community? Not after the intense tearfest they put on, at least I wouldn't do it. 3) Lol what? 4) ...... have you even ran proto before? I have, I run better with ADV gear. proto isn't all that impressive. 5) The problem with your argument here is that you forget about the multiple times we did fight each other all the time. Whenever a lower tier corp had to fight AE, they called up FA, and Vice Versa. We simply got sick of it.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 399	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:35:00 - [47] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Void Echo wrote: Easy: 1. Your denying everyone else entry into PC, thus killing the game by lack of competitiveness and interest in community growth. 2. Your gaining Billions of ISK a day which puts you at the tippy top of the wealthiest in Dust while telling those that cant afford the **** you have scrubs that need to "get gud", demonstrating that your arrogant, selfish, ignorant and downright assholes. 3. Your using PC as a way to force people to join your alliance so you guys have an increased tax percentage into your wallets. 4. Your using the PC ISK to fund proto stomping which is killing the playerbase on the pub match spectrum. 5. You refuse to fight anyone on your level as evident of absorbing all the top 500 players in the game so you can get infinite ISK from broken ISK making PC mechanics. did I miss anything? 1) It is called planetary conquest. Not "lets all hold hands like a bunch of hippies". Just saying bro 2) What else are we supposed to do with it? Give it to the community? Not after the intense tearfest they put on, at least I wouldn't do it. 3) Lol what? 4) ...... have you even ran proto before? I have, I run better with ADV gear. proto isn't all that impressive. 5) The problem with your argument here is that you forget about the multiple times we did fight each other all the time. Whenever a lower tier corp had to fight AE, they called up FA, and Vice Versa. We simply got sick of it. That last part you articulated well. They can not fight higher tier corps they just call in other higher tier corps between themselves. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 115	Posted - 2014.04.17 18:00:00 - [48] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: It's not a matter of abuse. Such a mono-polar state of affairs was nearly inevitable eventually; it just required the will to do it. Literally the only reason EoN didn't do what DNS has done is because the EoN community is built by FPS types here for the 'good fights', who 'caught feelz' and didn't want to 'ruin the game'. During EoN's rise they also weren't tied to EvE so didn't see the point of MAXIMIZING ISK generation and to a certain extent MAG types seem to be against being perceived as the evil empire. Timing related to the growth of the economy, SP, and the size of the 'challenger' pool has a lot to do with it too I think, but I digress... from the Desk of Cubs: What you mean? EoN. was almost to 80% and at its peak the only land not in possession of EoN. was Nyain San and those damn 1200 timers, Fight Club and the Indy corp Planet (altbrard) NS had only 20 districts roughly at the time, altrbard is 14 districts and oddeluf 24 (2-3 held by eon as well) might have gotten higher but some corps didn't feel like wakin up early :P we were all about maximizing isk, even then the 'good fights' were the ones that resulted in us taking more land... not much has changed tbh ------------------------------------------end transmission--------------------------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Void Echo Total Extinction 2442	Posted - 2014.04.17 20:13:00 - [49] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Void Echo wrote: Easy: 1. Your denying everyone else entry into PC, thus killing the game by lack of competitiveness and interest in community growth. 2. Your gaining Billions of ISK a day which puts you at the tippy top of the wealthiest in Dust while telling those that cant afford the **** you have scrubs that need to "get gud", demonstrating that your arrogant, selfish, ignorant and downright assholes. 3. Your using PC as a way to force people to join your alliance so you guys have an increased tax percentage into your wallets. 4. Your using the PC ISK to fund proto stomping which is killing the playerbase on the pub match spectrum. 5. You refuse to fight anyone on your level as evident of absorbing all the top 500 players in the game so you can get infinite ISK from broken ISK making PC mechanics. did I miss anything? 1. You are not entitled to districts. You are arrogant to say how people should play in sandbox gameplay. 2. The generation of ISK on districts of which again you are not entitled to, players can decide to band together and take over regions like in Eve how they can go about doing that and what rewards that they get in return falls on CCP. 3. Baseless speculation 4. People who are experienced and are good players have never had funding problems outside PC. 5. If the rationale applies that the 'Top 500' can band together and take over MH solely by themselves than solely those corps should be the only ones in PC if they weren't in a alliance together, since it shows that no other corps outside of DNS are capable of fending for themselves. You must remember the most important aspect is come planet expansion into Nullsec Dust corps will most likely have to aligned themselves to larger alliance already situated in Nullsec, this already happens in Eve of course due to the sheer fact that no one corp or alliance can simply step in without being initiated into larger coalitions without being crushed by basically every entity within Nullsec. So the situation is already a reality in Dust and Eve where you can not apply any standards to a sandbox game. This game will fail because of the amount of unpolished , unbalanced mechanics and weapons not because the player base chose to use any one of them. I may be arrogant, but at least im up front about what im here for and what I believe in, while your hiding behind these people who are lying about helping the community by keeping the community out. Youtube Closed Beta Vet CEO: Total Extinction
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 570	Posted - 2014.04.17 23:04:00 - [50] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Easy: 1. Your denying everyone else entry into PC, thus killing the game by lack of competitiveness and interest in community growth. 2. Your gaining Billions of ISK a day which puts you at the tippy top of the wealthiest in Dust while telling those that cant afford the **** you have scrubs that need to "get gud", demonstrating that your arrogant, selfish, ignorant and downright assholes. 3. Your using PC as a way to force people to join your alliance so you guys have an increased tax percentage into your wallets. 4. Your using the PC ISK to fund proto stomping which is killing the playerbase on the pub match spectrum. 5. You refuse to fight anyone on your level as evident of absorbing all the top 500 players in the game so you can get infinite ISK from broken ISK making PC mechanics. did I miss anything? 1. Denying? You are free to enter PC anytime you want to but you have to fight your way in and keep your land, just like it has always been since PC was created. Community growth isn't based on PC, over 400,000 people got Dust (including me) when it officially released on 5/14/13 and the majority of them left because they didn't like the game. Most of them never heard of PC and think you are talking about a computer when you mention it to them. 2. Making isk doesn't make anyone a jerk. You know what the difference is between a 20 million isk player and a 800 million isk player? Nothing, they both can run proto 24/7 in pubs. I can do it with just my 3 million isk right now lol. Of course, when the market opens then things will get interesting but we can only guess how much isk will impact the market when it opens. 3. ??? What in the world are you talking about? Every single corp that is in the alliance, everyone in the alliance knows them. We all know each other. We aren't approaching people and telling them join or die. By the way, practically all or most of the corps in DNS have no taxes and didn't have taxes even before DNS. 4. Over 400,000 people got Dust on 5/14/13... they all practically left very quickly. Proto stomping was one of the reasons along with many others. DNS wasn't around at that time... so tell me how DNS helped with everyone leaving? Did it ever occur to you that CCP might be to blame for numerous problems? Proto stomping has been going on forever and blaming PC players for it is dumb because there are many people who have never been in a PC and aren't in a PC corp that proto stomp. You see someone running proto and point fingers at whoever controls the most land at that time. Many do that, even in real life. "It's the governments fault for every single problem I have" 5. We have been fighting each other forever. You want to know why? This is why, everyone hires AE, FA, or Escrow for every... single... fight... You all NEVER fight your own fights unless it is against someone you know you can stomp easily. We have a saying in AE AE1: We have a PC? AE2: Yup AE1: Versus who? AE2: [insert random corp] AE1: O, so we are fighting FA again holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear * Attack my children attack!



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