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Shiyou Hidiyoshi Dirt Nap Squad. 556	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:47:00 - [1] - Quote I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ******** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear * Attack my children attack!
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI 756	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:52:00 - [2] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ******** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane Damn this is soooooo condescending. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous DNS first to use game theory. Neo-Realism. Prisoner dilemma look it up b4 you meta
Wolfica Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 605	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:56:00 - [3] - Quote um they formed an alliance between all the best players in the game .... including a few scrubby ones because were nice Do you even PC bro.... ha I bet you don't. forum warrior lvl .5
Patrick57 7026	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:59:00 - [4] - Quote Because I said so. Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Dirt Nap Squad. 559	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:12:00 - [5] - Quote Wolfica wrote: um they formed an alliance between all the best players in the game .... including a few scrubby ones because were nice Yes! How dare they! It is clearly stated in the EULA Section 472 paragraph -3.1 "You can't have too many good corps in one alliance, it is unfair and mean * sad face " @Patting the Rick I'm not acting like I'm better than anyone. Just stating the obvious and asking people to clarify. I like to test people and do surveys, such as this to see how people react and respond. I am a curious person who always question things. holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear Attack my children attack!
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:13:00 - [6] - Quote Anyone noticing the sudden lack of people posting yet? Or should I give them a minute?
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2359	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:27:00 - [7] - Quote well this is the millenials generation so their feelings are all that matters. Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Zohar Colichemarde Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 36	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:35:00 - [8] - Quote I don't think DNS is abusing PC. They just managed to win a terrible lobby shooter! :V A congratulations is in order! I toast my champagne glass of Mountain Dew to you, sirs. I <3 Laser Rocks.
Patrick57 7026	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:38:00 - [9] - Quote I love all the Goonfeet guys that have started posting in the War Room. XD Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 559	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:43:00 - [10] - Quote Zohar Colichemarde wrote: I don't think DNS is abusing PC. They just managed to win a terrible lobby shooter! :V A congratulations is in order! I toast my champagne glass of Mountain Dew to you, sirs. lol I agree with Patrick, these guys are great. Get more of your home boys in here, give us at least some entertainment in this bad shooter. holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear * Attack my children attack!

Games Haven The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 40	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:48:00 - [11] - Quote From now on, all Goons will be viewed as despicable villains dressed in top hats and monocles, twirling their mustaches and yelling a big hearty "**** You!" to everyone else. I love those guys. May or may not be not the guy you might be thinking of.
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2654	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:14:00 - [12] - Quote Games Haven wrote: From now on, all Goons will be viewed as despicable villains dressed in top hats and monocles, twirling their mustaches and yelling a big hearty "**** You!" to everyone else. I love those guys. No Goons wear whatever mittens says they wear which I hear it's No Shirts No Shoes Free ISK April... For us Gents it;s all about Top Hats and Monocles as well as Mustaches OR Muttonchops, saying good day to you sir and to you. How to Leave PC
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6794	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:23:00 - [13] - Quote Stupid OP is stupid. The real question you should be asking is; "How ISK obtained from PC is risk free?" You know, considering how your land can be taken away from you at any point in time (a lesson that 97.96% of MH has learned), and by (theoretically) anyone, and there's a chance you won't get your "ISK Machine" back. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9523	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:33:00 - [14] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ****** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane This issue is mainly with the ISK though. By abusing locking, and everyone is PC are responsible for this, you have created the worst imbalance this game could possibly have seen before a true market was implemented, and that is ISK imbalance. As a section of the community, the dominant parts never have to worry about ISK ever again, now in any game mode outside of PC you enter you are fundamentally unbalancing gameplay....mainly Pubs, which you all look down on with disdain.... that attitude is wrong. PC should have been a monster of a game mode so that one faction could never afford to hold, or be able to hold 100%, or even 50%..... it should have been a place for meta, not for donuts under one new allegiance banner after another. I'm poor as *, have no reason to enter PC, not because I don't seek competition, but because initial ISK ceiling is huge, and because apparently now I need to be a member DNS to even attempt to get in it? Thats never how PC should have been...... but understandably if PC ever opens up even DNS cannot control the whole of New Eden. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"* -Dagger Two
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4582	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:45:00 - [15] - Quote Zohar Colichemarde wrote: I don't think DNS is abusing PC. They just managed to win a terrible lobby shooter! :V A congratulations is in order! I toast my champagne glass of Mountain Dew to you, sirs. Thanks for the cheers but we prefer Free Beers Edit. QQ Kain
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 563	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:53:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ****** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane This issue is mainly with the ISK though. By abusing locking, and everyone is PC are responsible for this, you have created the worst imbalance this game could possibly have seen before a true market was implemented, and that is ISK imbalance. As a section of the community, the dominant parts never have to worry about ISK ever again, now in any game mode outside of PC you enter you are fundamentally unbalancing gameplay....mainly Pubs, which you all look down on with disdain.... that attitude is wrong. PC should have been a monster of a game mode so that one faction could never afford to hold, or be able to hold 100%, or even 50%..... it should have been a place for meta, not for donuts under one new allegiance banner after another. I'm poor as *, have no reason to enter PC, not because I don't seek competition, but because initial ISK ceiling is huge, and because apparently now I need to be a member DNS to even attempt to get in it? Thats never how PC should have been...... but understandably if PC ever opens up even DNS cannot control the whole of New Eden. Isk imbalance is mainly CCP's doing. Players just made it even stronger. There will always be rich and poor though. We don't look down on pubs, they just get boring after a while. As does PC PC was never a monster of a mode, it has only been a place of isk farmers and people looking out for themselves. PC has always been a meh version of skirm. holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear Attack my children attack!
MythTanker The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 88	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:05:00 - [17] - Quote Im kinda glad DNS took most of MH. You are setting up a badass mega war to go down in the eve history book. I dont know why people are crying "doom for dust" You DNS guys are facing too many factors to keep most of MH. All it takes is one of your "Super-Power Corps" to get greedy and betray. Or maybe a bad ass rebellion, which is already in the makes due to our beloved french, and the other corps still in the fight. To sum it up, you are just little war stories in the Dust history book, while some other movement is going. o7 The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 563	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:08:00 - [18] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Im kinda glad DNS took most of MH. You are setting up a badass mega war to go down in the eve history book. I dont know why people are crying "doom for dust" You DNS guys are facing too many factors to keep most of MH. All it takes is one of your "Super-Power Corps" to get greedy and betray. Or maybe a bad ass rebellion, which is already in the makes due to our beloved french, and the other corps still in the fight. To sum it up, you are just little war stories in the Dust history book, while some other movement is going. o7 The alliance probably won't be long term. We want to fight each other for fun, not fight early in the day against some pretend heroes. I just want ESO to come out then I'll be afk from Dust for a good time. I need a break :/ holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear * Attack my children attack!
Fire2MyBlunt The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 206	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:10:00 - [19] - Quote Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Proud member and Director of The Phoenix Federation I don't go by chubby.. They call me the Hulk around here.
MythTanker The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 88	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:12:00 - [20] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ agreed +1 The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton

Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 807	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:14:00 - [21] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ You like my melee build :D?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9529	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:15:00 - [22] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: I'm curious Everyone keeps saying DNS is abusing PC and cheating so please explain. No one has explained how and avoids answering the question so please do explain how DNS is abusing PC. Things you can't list for common sense reasons that still have to be mentioned because many of you don't have common sense. - District locking: All of you have done it and many of you have done it waaaaaaaaaay before most of the corps in DNS did it. No one here is inncoent - PC lags in general just like how the Gallente facility in pubs lags in general. So you can't point fingers and blame anyone for the game lagging. Ask anyone that actually has had a decent amount of PC experience and they will tell you that PC lags. That is why people restart Dust before playing PC, so they lag as least as possible. Do it, trust me it helps. Side note: Many of you will probably just come up with random ****** but please just list stuff that has been proven to be true. If you post something new, have proof. QQ Kane This issue is mainly with the ISK though. By abusing locking, and everyone is PC are responsible for this, you have created the worst imbalance this game could possibly have seen before a true market was implemented, and that is ISK imbalance. As a section of the community, the dominant parts never have to worry about ISK ever again, now in any game mode outside of PC you enter you are fundamentally unbalancing gameplay....mainly Pubs, which you all look down on with disdain.... that attitude is wrong. PC should have been a monster of a game mode so that one faction could never afford to hold, or be able to hold 100%, or even 50%..... it should have been a place for meta, not for donuts under one new allegiance banner after another. I'm poor as *, have no reason to enter PC, not because I don't seek competition, but because initial ISK ceiling is huge, and because apparently now I need to be a member DNS to even attempt to get in it? Thats never how PC should have been...... but understandably if PC ever opens up even DNS cannot control the whole of New Eden. Isk imbalance is mainly CCP's doing. Players just made it even stronger. There will always be rich and poor though. We don't look down on pubs, they just get boring after a while. As does PC PC was never a monster of a mode, it has only been a place of isk farmers and people looking out for themselves. PC has always been a meh version of skirm. No doubt but because there is no economy there is no flow of ISK, just a haemorrhaging of ISK into the pockets of the filthy rich, which in turn is rarely destroyed either because there is not fighting, or the rate of destruction cannot keep with with the rate of ISK injections. I would have prefered PC to be a monster of a mode, sliding sovereignty scales, slow takes overs, a district of everyone, weight of numbers being a factor, out of corp or allaince ISK flow, coalitions, etc. I'm not saying they shouldnt reap the rewards of owning many districts......but instead that either there need to be more avaialble, or the upkeep on controlling many districts is high enough to dissuade total control, but not prevent it if someone wants to prove a point, while being untenable to hold long term. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"* -Dagger Two
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 125	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:23:00 - [23] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9533	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:30:00 - [24] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques. CCP has been trying to remove passive ISK gain for years....... I'm surprised they tolerate this. And no Derrith is isn't care bear logic. Since you are a part of the Donut dominating this of course you would defend it, you don't have to do anything, and you can play this game in whatever way you want, whenever you want. If only the strong survive why are you in favour of a system that doesn't encourage competition, meta, or managing of resources and timers? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2364	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:37:00 - [25] - Quote tolerate? Have you not seen them let nullsec passive farm with no end forever? ugh I ate to much pizza i need to lay down Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6797	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:38:00 - [26] - Quote Free Beers wrote: tolerate? Have you not seen them let nullsec passive farm with no end forever? ugh I ate to much pizza i need to lay down Your doing it wrong. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9533	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:42:00 - [27] - Quote Free Beers wrote: tolerate? Have you not seen them let nullsec passive farm with no end forever? ugh I ate to much pizza i need to lay down They can't really do anything to the Null - Sec passive ISK farm that is PI.....that's not to say CCP is supportive or in favour of it. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Fire2MyBlunt The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 207	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:51:00 - [28] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques. Not care bear tatic at all. Its what is done on EVE so should be implemented on Dust514 as well if you have a PvP system going on. It then doesn't allow people to controll 100% of things and keeps competition in the game. And when you talk about care bearing , all this is doing is care bearing your wallet with lifetime stocks of Passive isk . You want us to fight back but how can we fight back when we have no larger clone packs to fight back with and Not enough isk to wage war against an enemy that keeps generating PASSIVE isk. Not your fault as well . just a bad game mechanic that needs to be fixed. Now by the time it's fixed lets say MH gets taken over and corporations start fighting back ETC. And you start losing a lot of land . You guys have enough isk stocked up to just mass attack all of MH to take it all back in one night . Now do you see where i am going here. I'm not QQing either just pointing out the bad mechanics part of the PvP system. Proud member and Director of The Phoenix Federation I don't go by chubby.. They call me the Hulk around here.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9534	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:58:00 - [29] - Quote Fire2MyBlunt wrote: yep derrith again wrote: Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques. Not care bear tatic at all. Its what is done on EVE so should be implemented on Dust514 as well if you have a PvP system going on. It then doesn't allow people to controll 100% of things and keeps competition in the game. And when you talk about care bearing , all this is doing is care bearing your wallet with lifetime stocks of Passive isk . You want us to fight back but how can we fight back when we have no larger clone packs to fight back with and Not enough isk to wage war against an enemy that keeps generating PASSIVE isk. Not your fault as well . just a bad game mechanic that needs to be fixed. Now by the time it's fixed lets say MH gets taken over and corporations start fighting back ETC. And you start losing a lot of land . You guys have enough isk stocked up to just mass attack all of MH to take it all back in one night . Now do you see where i am going here. I'm not QQing either just pointing out the bad mechanics part of the PvP system. That's why is would be better to have sovereignty systems for PC in place, slower take overs, more attrition and ISK loss to take systems and planets, less overall net gain, more time for competition, more need for numerical superiority, more need to out of alliance hiring and work, etc. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:13:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: yep derrith again wrote: Fire2MyBlunt wrote: Not in sense that DNS is abusing it as its attended to. Passive Isk from your district is an abuse. Not mainly on you guys but its a bad pc mechanic that needs to be fixed. In eve you have to pay the land you hold. Same should apply to Dust514. This will then settle the mass holding of land. BUTTTT it might be to late because DNS as a whole probably has a lifetime isk stock xD. But Just one way the alliance is abusing the Bad PC Mechanics. Only if the developer can fix it ^___^ Then why would anyone play PC? Everyone keeps complaining that PC is broken, but this game is about conquering. If there is no incentive to conquer, then why do it? Isk is the only thing important in Dust right now, seeing as we only have pubs and PC. I've heard plenty of alternate solutions to fixing dust and PC, but it just sounds like a carebear world to me, and the simple fact of PC is to show that only the strong can survive, or the weak buddy up with the strong and send them videos of these techniques. CCP has been trying to remove passive ISK gain for years....... I'm surprised they tolerate this. And no Derrith is isn't care bear logic. Since you are a part of the Donut dominating this of course you would defend it, you don't have to do anything, and you can play this game in whatever way you want, whenever you want. If only the strong survive why are you in favour of a system that doesn't encourage competition, meta, or managing of resources and timers? I never said what he proposed was care bear logic, simply what nearly everyone else and their proposals entailed. Just because I'm part of the donut doesn't mean that I defend this point simply because of that one reason. I defend it because I think it's right. I've called DNS when they invaded KEQ's recruitment thread, and while in PX1 I objected to Mike about locking and not using our own guys vehemently. And last I checked, I've been in quite a few PC's recently. I'd hardly say that I don't do anything, and I have to fight to get paid. And to be perfectly frank, I do whatever I see fit to turn the tide of a battle, so your remark of me doing whatever I want, whenever, is rather true. (MY SP gap is my crutch) And on the blue doughnut. You view it as hypocritical that the strong band together to dominate and conquer. But think of it like this. Have you ever heard of the Norse tale of the Fenris wolf? The tale goes as such. Odin, Norse god of thunder, had scryed into the future. In the vision, he saw a terrible wolf who was destined to swallow him whole and kill the rest of the gods, upon the days of Ragnarok, or end times. Odin had accepted this fate, but he wanted to stall this as much as possible. Odin then set forth a plan to trap the wolf using various occult elements. The sound of a cats footstep, the beard of a woman, and the breath of a fish among other things were used to create the chains to bind the wolf. Once completed the Norse gods set out to ensnare the wolf. In the battle that ensued between the gods and the wolf, Fenrir put up one heck of a fight, even managed to bite off the arm of Tyr. But the struggle was futile, they captured the wolf, bound him to a rock, and gagged him with a sword. The wolf was bound to remain there until the days of Ragnarok, when he would gain enough strength to escape, battle with Odin and swallow him whole. If the gods had decided to just say "hey, screw the wolf! Let's fight amongst each other!", the end times would've come much more quickly. But in the alliance, they maintained a peace for many generations before the final day. This wasn't really the best example, I didn't really find a Norse tale with a proper fall in for ringers (Hessians), so this was the closest I could get. To those who read this and interpret it as the end times, know that all things come to an end. I have accepted this, much like Odin, but I'm not Odin in this scenario. In this Scenario, DNS is Odin. The Fenrir is the community who will swallow Odin once it has stored enough energy (skill and Isk). Then the Fenrir will be on top, but will then get slain by the son of Odin, Vidar. The above pattern has happened before, the reign of Eon is the prime example. Odin crushed Fenrir (in this case, Cronos, and Hellstorm). Then Fenrir returned (in the FEC wars and as AE) and swallowed Odin whole. As said before, this has happened before, and I predict it will happen again.



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