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Operative 2511 Dajli
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:54:00 -
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Pyrex, you forgot one type of person in that mix. There are people that do not want to allow people on the other end of the spectrum either. People that are like you mentioned that just want to come into the game and make a mockery of it by running people over with an LAV because they had a bad day.
I like to take the game seriously enough to keep it on target for what it is supposed to be thematically. Call it a role-playing thing. I lump the leet, tryhard stompers in with the same casual, no decorum crowd. Neither care about the context of the game.
They either want to win, win, win or screw around and lol. Either way they could care less what kind of game they are playing. These people would just as soon be at home with 8-bit Atari graphics shooting at moving blocks.
It is that mentality that has forced me to further just say to hell with it and do likewise because it's just no use. I gave up already. The game has been made a joke. A carnival shooting gallery. Forget the sci-fi combat theme.
Those guys on that roof just as much represent the lol crowd as they do the stomper win, win crowd. Both are ok with whatever goes and exploit the mechanics at the expense of aesthetics or spirit of the game.
Lol, the ban hammer got me!
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steelRatt
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:33:00 -
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I agree with pyrex ccp needs to help new players give them game modes that have a tier limit on gear and a no vehicles mode. However pyrex and his buddys like to run tanks together so he is adding to the problem.
Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
800
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:46:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:Strange video.
Pyrex getting angry about people protostomping; yet how many times has he protostomped and followed the FOTM train? You think people like that "need to go". Umm, in that case...
Getting angry about people driving their own (very) subjective agenda to benefit their own little part of the game? Pyrex, you have a whole youtube channel dedicated to your own subjective point-of-view.
I like your videos, but they are filled with contradictions.
I agree. More than once I've seen him protostomp blueberries completely with each respective FOTM... recently it was tanks - and historically you see him with mass drivers when they were wiping the floor, then flaylocks (with a fantastic video from him saying they needed to be buffed?).... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!!!!
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Operative 2511 Dajli
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:51:00 -
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steelRatt wrote:I agree with pyrex ccp needs to help new players give them game modes that have a tier limit on gear and a no vehicles mode. However pyrex and his buddys like to run tanks together so he is adding to the problem.
His point is that this goes beyond just running what you can or want and not having a problem with getting placed against like geared players. He is talking about an underlying mentality of groups of players that are fueling a larger mechanic, a more comprehensive practice of funding easy, one sided game play and locking out competition through exploits in bad game design.
This goes further than mere tank spam or protosuits just trashing the place for a good time. This is about people with a deliberately planned agenda to group and exploit the game, through PC, just because it can be done.
Lol, the ban hammer got me!
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Eniram Resh
Short Stop Exports
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:53:00 -
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The people protostomping are having fun by taking the new players by the hair and shoving their faces in toilets, making them eat *****. They're playing the game in a way which they find fun. I cannot condemn them for wanting to have fun. Thats what a game is for right, to have fun?
The issue comes when people are literally ruining the game for others. We've all been there, we've had games where we couldn't spawn in because the other team is camping spawn points with three proto mass drivers.
Why? What's the point? There is literally nothing to be gained in protostomping a public match. Your isk and skill point gain doesn't increase that much whether you win or lose. All that is happening is that new players are continually being driven from the game.
We know why they do it of course. I already explained it. They're having fun. If we want to fix it, then we'll have to choose between having a bunch of veterans leave because they have to fight a fair fight, or have a minute amount of new players join the game because the veterans keep s***ing on them.
Think that about sums it up. THEN AGAIN I'VE BEEN WRONG BEFORE AND IM SURE SOMEONE WILL TELL ME IM WRONG NOW |
darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
734
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:00:00 -
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Hmm al DNS mercs saying hes an FOTM scrub..............................................
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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Magewarlord
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:26:00 -
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well sure it's suppose to be "the wild west" but considering the cheap ways they manipulated the PC mechanics to make billions of ISK for free means that no one else will ever have the chance to run all free proto or be able to get anywhere in the game, so you might as well move on to a different game and try your luck again. also I believe he's referring to cheap game tactics as well. say what you want about the fact that this game is suppose to be "play how you will", things like red line tanking, etc are just cowardly and really do ruin the fun that was intended for this game and others. |
steelRatt
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:40:00 -
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Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:steelRatt wrote:I agree with pyrex ccp needs to help new players give them game modes that have a tier limit on gear and a no vehicles mode. However pyrex and his buddys like to run tanks together so he is adding to the problem. His point is that this goes beyond just running what you can or want and not having a problem with getting placed against like geared players. He is talking about an underlying mentality of groups of players that are fueling a larger mechanic, a more comprehensive practice of funding easy, one sided game play and locking out competition through exploits in bad game design. This goes further than mere tank spam or protosuits just trashing the place for a good time. This is about people with a deliberately planned agenda to group and exploit the game, through PC, just because it can be done.
I did say I agree with him on the point of helping new players the academy helps for a limited time as soon as a new guy hits normal matchs it's painful because 9/10 it's up against protostomping or tanks. Pyrex is one of them guys a new player well meet after leaving the academy and he is in his tank using kbm. He tells us its because he finds it easier to us not that the instant strafing has anything to do with it. Iv been up against him I had a anti vehicle sqd with me we stopped him and his 5 tanking buds in there tracks. At the end I sent him a gg he complained we was all protostomping in fact we was using advance. When he runs like that he is adding to a bad new player experience so this video has truth but also makes him look like a hypocrite.
Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
270
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:13:00 -
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A tier system were u choose what you want to run is what this game needs ccp! How hard will it be to implement this?
Master of The Flaylock
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Heavy Smurf
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:31:00 -
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I just want my forge gun to not misfire :( |
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
270
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:40:00 -
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Heavy Smurf wrote:I just want my forge gun to not misfire :( Yeah no kidding.....tanks would be fine if my FG worked
Master of The Flaylock
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Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
384
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:42:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:Shadow Archeus wrote:I believe tiering up players with an overlap would balance things out a bit
Like this I have 10 mil sp...matchmaking would not allow me to play with anyone over 15 mil or under 5 mil
This provides an overlap in games so you will see tougher players and weaker ones as well
Squad sp totals would be averaged out Squad member 1 has 15 mil Squad member 2 has 18 mil Squad member 3 has 3 mil Squad member 4 has 30 mil Squad member 5 has 25 mil Squad member 6 has 1 mil
Averaged out at around 15 mil
Matchmaking makes each squad members sp the average for the squad
This will keep newer less experienced players away from proto bears....but not make it impossible to run into them either
So if a squad filled with people over 30mil sp tried to pub stomp they can't because matchmaking would prevent it
This would also provide incentive to vet players to play with low sp players...to lower the squad average and get an easier match....but if you stack it too much with low sp players your team WILL be gimped
And of course this would be for pubs only.....fw would not and should not limit you in any way This would only work if we had a bigger player base, but no. We have to have STD,ADV, PROTO matches. If CCP doesn't do something we won't have any player base
And this would work.... Anyone that couldn't find a match based upon his sp total would be thrown into the next closest match available
This could work and needs to be considered.....maybe with different numbers (I'm not the best at the math) but there needs to be a sliding scale like this ....
Real heavies use lasers
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
270
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:03:00 -
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Shadow Archeus wrote:Forever ETC wrote:Shadow Archeus wrote:I believe tiering up players with an overlap would balance things out a bit
Like this I have 10 mil sp...matchmaking would not allow me to play with anyone over 15 mil or under 5 mil
This provides an overlap in games so you will see tougher players and weaker ones as well
Squad sp totals would be averaged out Squad member 1 has 15 mil Squad member 2 has 18 mil Squad member 3 has 3 mil Squad member 4 has 30 mil Squad member 5 has 25 mil Squad member 6 has 1 mil
Averaged out at around 15 mil
Matchmaking makes each squad members sp the average for the squad
This will keep newer less experienced players away from proto bears....but not make it impossible to run into them either
So if a squad filled with people over 30mil sp tried to pub stomp they can't because matchmaking would prevent it
This would also provide incentive to vet players to play with low sp players...to lower the squad average and get an easier match....but if you stack it too much with low sp players your team WILL be gimped
And of course this would be for pubs only.....fw would not and should not limit you in any way This would only work if we had a bigger player base, but no. We have to have STD,ADV, PROTO matches. If CCP doesn't do something we won't have any player base And this would work.... Anyone that couldn't find a match based upon his sp total would be thrown into the next closest match available This could work and needs to be considered.....maybe with different numbers (I'm not the best at the math) but there needs to be a sliding scale like this .... Well said
Master of The Flaylock
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Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
384
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:05:00 -
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And now my reply to pyrexs video....new players need a better npe yes I totally agree....there needs to be better matchmaking I agree....matches that are vehicle free....again I agree....but I cannot agree with making matches limiting your gear on your suit....
If you do this it would become too easy to earn isk....you're supposed to get mad and say hey **** this I'm gonna go blow this assholes face off with my proto gear and switch....and lose a few proto suits ...it might even make you mad enough to buy aurum gear....risk vs reward wouldn't even come into play with mlt only matches
It cuts alot of creativity away from players....yay now I can't run a mlt suit and a proto weapon....yeah I know it makes no sense but it should be able to be done....even to show its a mistake
Now all that being said.....maybe integrate pyrexs idea with npe......as you go through the npe it unlocks different levels of gear able to be used in matches......this would promote new players to stay but once you're out of academy its time to put your big boy pants on and fight
Real heavies use lasers
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
270
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:13:00 -
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Hmm u have a good point
Master of The Flaylock
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Sourdough Muffins
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:21:00 -
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I actually agree with him for the most part. True enough I just witnessed three stomps back to back to back. If there were any new players on those games I don't think they would have stayed with the game. Especially if they are just normal FPS people. |
TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:33:00 -
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Likes please Hahaha.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:36:00 -
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Glad to see that I'm not the only one getting tired of the bull$#!T that goes on here.....
@CCP:
In political philosophy, it is learned that the state has the DUTY to protect it's citizens from themselves. You as the metaphorical state, have the duty to protect us from ourselves by stopping us from killing this game. Now this is not all your fault, but you can help and take steps to prevent crap like this. We as the community need to grow a pair and accept the fact that a lot of us are being tools right now. I know I'm guilty of stomping every once in awhile, and I never forget what it's like to be the new player on the battlefield, but recent events and combination of buffs, nerfs and new weapons etc have completely made the community go nuts. Dont get me wrong, I like the new stuff, it adds flavour to this game, but you cannot add things and expect them to be used properly and in a correct manor by the community. Yes it's a game and you can customize your character to do literally anything (related to the game of course), but that does not give you the right to go and destroy the player base.
PC is a great example, proto stomping is a great example. Both of these things are examples of the community killing itself. CCP, you need to stop this madness. If this stuff is not fixed soon (I don't mean like in a month soon.....although that would be nice) this game will die.
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
2759
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:39:00 -
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Restricting gear is not the answer.
With the squads I run, proto or not, the results would be exactly the same.
The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions
Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
1380
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:46:00 -
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I can't find much to disagree with in both videos. Its up to CCP to change it though, like the dude says the like of Kain Spearo aren't buying Aurum CCP its new players who will
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
1380
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:50:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Restricting gear is not the answer.
With the squads I run, proto or not, the results would be exactly the same.
You're right Reg, its not about restricting gear, its about not making it worth it for Beta vets with 30+ million SP to be in the same matches as folks with less than 10 much less brand new players.
Segregate "security sectors" by SP and have SP and ISK payouts scale within those sectors according to SP if you don't want to outright disallow higher leveld characters from entering those battles.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Jimbo Boilstaff
THE MASSIVE DYNAMIC
101
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:53:00 -
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It's like Global Warming..... Too late to do anything about it, time to evolve gills like Kevin Costner otherwise you're screwed! |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
1381
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Posted - 2014.04.18 03:05:00 -
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Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:It's like Global Warming..... Too late to do anything about it, time to evolve gills like Kevin Costner otherwise you're screwed! Yes its exactly like Global Warming, and just like with Global Warming if we stop being all Republican about it and say HTFU and grow gills we've got profits to make, then maybe we can save the ecosystem (Dust514) and thus save ourselves (have a better, growing game to play)
I know, I know how pinko liberal of me
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Jimbo Boilstaff
THE MASSIVE DYNAMIC
101
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Posted - 2014.04.18 03:08:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Jimbo Boilstaff wrote:It's like Global Warming..... Too late to do anything about it, time to evolve gills like Kevin Costner otherwise you're screwed! Yes its exactly like Global Warming, and just like with Global Warming if we stop being all Republican about it and say HTFU and grow gills we've got profits to make, then maybe we can save the ecosystem (Dust514) and thus save ourselves (have a better, growing game to play) I know, I know how pinko liberal of me
Haha.... go smoke daisies on your Stop the War Coalition supply depot
It's more dismay on my part at certain people's (rhymes with PPC) reaction to things that makes me think the caps are melting |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2014.04.18 03:19:00 -
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Heavy Smurf wrote:I just want my forge gun to not misfire :( *sits Smurf down* Don't feel sad, it happens to a lot of heavies. Maybe wait a while and try again? |
ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
2760
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Posted - 2014.04.18 03:20:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Restricting gear is not the answer.
With the squads I run, proto or not, the results would be exactly the same. You're right Reg, its not about restricting gear, its about not making it worth it for Beta vets with 30+ million SP to be in the same matches as folks with less than 10 much less brand new players. Segregate "security sectors" by SP and have SP and ISK payouts scale within those sectors according to SP if you don't want to outright disallow higher leveled characters from entering those battles.
I have a few issues with this:
1.) What do you do with the minority upper SP class (45+ million). Do play against each other all day and at this point become completely isolated from the community.
2.) I am not a fan of the wait times this tier system would inspire. It just seems a bit disheartening for making a consumer wait longer, because he has been more loyal to the game (Even if its for the good of the game).
Anyways, if you do wanna have a PVP buffer zone for new players then reduce ambush to its most basic FPS form:
Solo, Gear restrictions, and No vehicles
Build upon that, and allow the further gamemodes to grow the player in both SP and squad play.
The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions
Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
447
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Posted - 2014.04.18 03:29:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Restricting gear is not the answer.
With the squads I run, proto or not, the results would be exactly the same. You're right Reg, its not about restricting gear, its about not making it worth it for Beta vets with 30+ million SP to be in the same matches as folks with less than 10 much less brand new players. Segregate "security sectors" by SP and have SP and ISK payouts scale within those sectors according to SP if you don't want to outright disallow higher leveled characters from entering those battles. I have a few issues with this: 1.) What do you do with the minority upper SP class (45+ million). Do play against each other all day and at this point become completely isolated from the community. 2.) I am not a fan of the wait times this tier system would inspire. It just seems a bit disheartening for making a consumer wait longer, because he has been more loyal to the game (Even if its for the good of the game). Anyways, if you do wanna have a PVP buffer zone for new players then reduce ambush to its most basic FPS form: Solo, Gear restrictions, and No vehiclesBuild upon that, and allow the further gamemodes to grow the player in both SP and squad play.
That is a sound plan given the difficulty in resolving this issue.
Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1063
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Posted - 2014.04.18 04:34:00 -
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Call him a hypocrite if you want, but Pyrex is dead on right in this video. |
nukel head
Knights of No Republic
105
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Posted - 2014.04.18 04:41:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:KatanaPT wrote:Matchmaking by Gear I don't know if you have ever played Eve Online, but I will assume you at least know some things about New Eden in my post... Matchmaking by gear goes against New Eden's harsh environment and design philosophy. In Eve you can fit any ship with nearly anything (PG/CPU and slots permitting) and fly it out into the cold, lawless expanses of space. Someone can then come along in a properly fitted ship and blap you right out of the sky. You learn lessons, you fit your ships better, you prioritize your targets better. You get better at Eve Online. If CCP forces players into matches with similarly-geared players then they are preventing us from having agency in New Eden. I say allow players to run full prototype fits against my MIL/STD fittings. Let squads of six run PRO gear 24/7. As one of my corpmates put it, "This is the wild ******* west son!" To those that argue that protostomping needs to stomp to keep new players: you are wrong. Sorry, but you are. What we need is a robust new player experience. Tutorials, PvE, MIL variants of everything, free fittings appropriate to your chosen race. The works. This will educate the new players and give them a fighting chance so that when they face a squad of protobears they can put up a decent fight.
I think we just found one of the protos. What is with all this Eve elitist garbage that pops up every time someone points out the biggest glaring problem with the current state of Dust? What is the harm of allowing players to choose to fight on an even playing field if they want or if they so choose to bound off into your harsh, wild ******* west? If something isn't done then all that will be in your wild west is tumbleweeds. |
Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
273
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Posted - 2014.04.18 05:13:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Call him a hypocrite if you want, but Pyrex is dead on right in this video. Word
Master of The Flaylock
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