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KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2338	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:35:00 - [1] - Quote These are a set of concord mails you receive when a district of yours has been attacked. Quote: A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:20:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: FATAL ABSOLUTION ********************************* A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:50:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: ETERNAL BEINGS If you look at the dates and times of the battles then you will notice that same district has been attacked twice by different corps. This is mainly due to server side error, but never the less was not not reported by KEQ. So FA had their battle, which we won starting at 2:20 and ending at 2:44 according to the genolution time in my wallet. FA win left 311 clones on the district-which is the same number which it had started with. Then the eternal being match started shortly after. KEQ won leaving 197 clones on the district. So the last match is the only one that counts. KEQ failed to report this to CCP and knowingly abused a glitch to save their district. But that's not where it stops. FA is not the first corp they have done this too. Hellstorm has been a victim aswell. Here is another set of mails. Quote: District: Bosena IX - District 1 Time of battle: 2014.03.02 01:10:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards ************************************************************************ A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Bosena IX - District 1 Time of battle: 2014.03.02 01:00:00 Attacking corporation: Hellstorm Inc Hellstorm placed an attack on this district at the same time as their alt corp. They knowingly put a person in the match to draw it out and negate the results of the hellstorm win. Finally here is a quadruple attack. Quote: A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Altbrard VI - District 14 Time of battle: 2014.02.28 04:50:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards ***** A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Altbrard VI - District 14 Time of battle: 2014.02.28 04:10:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards ********* A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Altbrard VI - District 14 Time of battle: 2014.02.28 04:50:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards ********* A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Altbrard VI - District 14 Time of battle: 2014.02.28 04:40:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards This means multiple genolutions and the ability to kill clones that don't count. This means somewhere around 100 million isk could be generated per district every 2 days. Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. http://dustboard.com/global/statistics/corporation/jobless_bums_with_neckbeards 18 people just to lock districts? all their officers have alts there is no denying that they knew this. why would 4 people mash x when all you needed was one? Then when we simply ask you to forward a set of mails, you deny it. Well here is the proof. The problem with tanks
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 2021	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:52:00 - [2] - Quote Just from a glance those alts are dead give aways of their mains Dust User Jr. who could that be CUSE WarMonger hmmmmmmmm what about Timbo Slice Definitely can't tell their mains ISK Donuts are delicious Q_Q Moar
Gildart Lightray Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 132	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:01:00 - [3] - Quote Funny they attacked us when we held the district last and got two battles 1 hour apart from each other. You're telling me KEQ really did plan this out all along? I thought it was glitched on accident. We didn't report just for the hell of it. Need to find me? I'll be in "Gildarts Cave"
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2341	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:04:00 - [4] - Quote Gildart Lightray wrote: Funny they attacked us when we held the district last and got two battles 1 hour apart from each other. You're telling me KEQ really did plan this out all along? I thought it was glitched on accident. We didn't report just for the hell of it. When there are regular cases of multiple attacks by your locking corp which have their info used to prevent a district loss in the case of FA twice and Hellstorm once it would certainly seem that way. The problem with tanks
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 784	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:52:00 - [5] - Quote The most damning part is the financial incentive to do this. During the clone pack refund days, using this glitch, it would have been possible to "create" more than 50 million ISK per district per lock. The evidence provided by concord mails shows that not only were they double stacking during this time period, they were triple and quad stacking. This does not happen on accident, double stacking I can believe to be accidental, Quad stacking takes intent. Intent with the financial motive that two separate glitches provided paints a pretty clear picture.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 245	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:33:00 - [6] - Quote Who is Lehman?
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 107	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:45:00 - [7] - Quote Gildart Lightray wrote: Funny they attacked us when we held the district last and got two battles 1 hour apart from each other. You're telling me KEQ really did plan this out all along? I thought it was glitched on accident. We didn't report just for the hell of it. from the desk of Cubs: KEQ stumbled upon this glitch during the days of everyone perma-locking matter of fact, I can go through my Skype to narrow the time they learned of it, as I have an old friend who was aware of what they uncovered. yup, early February. In addition, we stumbled on this long go when AE and OH were attacking TEAM. They both hit a district at the same time, causing this exact same effect, but from different intentions. I sent a ticket at the time, and CCP simply removed the later match time, and that was it. Now did I know THEN that it could be used in such a way? No, but I never thought twice about it. now KEQ has done this regularly since early February, and who knows possibly even earlier without my knowing. so long story short.. YES it was planned out all along, and the 'glitch' is no accident o and when was this FIRST reported to CCP? November 3rd.... Hawkin can even verify this --------------------------------------------end transmission----------------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 765	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:54:00 - [8] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: now KEQ has done this regularly since early February, and who knows possibly even earlier without my knowing. so long story short.. YES it was planned out all along, and the 'glitch' is no accident o and when was this FIRST reported to CCP? No need for "friends" telling you anything. Getting an alt in KEQ is just as easy as applying, we don't care about them. So just use yours and look at all the notifications. You will notice that there are only a couple of instances of multi attacks or defences, all of them by accident. Hardly "planned"-+ or "regularly". And yesterday it was FA and EB attacking us, we were not involved. Nice attempt at slandering though. Just send the ticket support to CCP to revert the situation, get your CPM boss to make CCP correct those bugs, and stop talking out of your ass. Dude, for an elite alliance, you sure love to cry.
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 107	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:05:00 - [9] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: now KEQ has done this regularly since early February, and who knows possibly even earlier without my knowing. so long story short.. YES it was planned out all along, and the 'glitch' is no accident o and when was this FIRST reported to CCP? No need for "friends" telling you anything. Getting an alt in KEQ is just as easy as applying, we don't care about them. So just use yours and look at all the notifications. You will notice that there are only a couple of instances of multi attacks or defences, all of them by accident. Hardly "planned"-+ or "regularly". And yesterday it was FA and EB attacking us, we were not involved. Nice attempt at slandering though. Just send the ticket support to CCP to revert the situation, get your CPM boss to make CCP correct those bugs, and stop talking out of your ass. Dude, for an elite alliance, you sure love to cry. from the desk of cubs: you must mistake me for some random sh1tbum. I don't play the 'alt' game never have. I don't do the 'spy' crap. every timer Ive ever sniped from you were your own people selling you out. the power of isk and im not crying, I'm simply sifting thru the BS to at least let people know reality, whether they choose to believe it or not ------------------------------------------end transmission-------------------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 768	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:08:00 - [10] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: you must mistake me for some random sh1tbum. I don't play the 'alt' game never have. I don't do the 'spy' crap. Said the alt... Cubs Secretary wrote: and im not crying, I'm simply sifting thru the BS to at least let people know reality, whether they choose to believe it or not Then you still have a lot of sifting to do, since your posts are still full of BS. Carry on with it.

ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1343	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:08:00 - [11] - Quote The reality is... this is like that En Vogue song Never gonna get it never gonna get it woah woah woah WOOOAAHH NEVER gonna get it, never get it
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:49:00 - [12] - Quote [quote=KenKaniff69]These are a set of concord mails you receive when a district of yours has been attacked. Quote: A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:20:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: FATAL ABSOLUTION *********************************** A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:50:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: ETERNAL BEINGS Layman's terms: EB launched an attack to get their district back. FA tried glitching an attack to get the district for their blue donut masters and failed.
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 107	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:03:00 - [13] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: [quote=KenKaniff69]These are a set of concord mails you receive when a district of yours has been attacked. Quote: A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:20:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: FATAL ABSOLUTION *********************************** A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:50:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: ETERNAL BEINGS Layman's terms: EB launched an attack to get their district back. FA tried glitching an attack to get the district for their blue donut masters and failed. from the desk of Cubs: actually, based on previous action by CCP, the 2nd match here should have been removed and voided. their isk refunded and the match deleted from your battle tab, making only the first one valid. precendent set forth last November: PC Battle issue Filed at 02.11.2013 22:13 by CHICAGOCUBS4EVER The MHPD district meildolf v district. Was conquered Friday evening. The moment it came online, it was attacked. The issue is, it was attacked by Corporations simultaneously. Currently we are set to defend the same district twice tomorrow, from 2 Autonomous attacks. This is an obvious bug that needs to be addressed before the match. The times are even different, being 20 minutes apart. The attackers are ancient exiles and outer heaven. defending corp moiden heath poiice department. thank you for getting this straightened out. Messages Posted at 03.11.2013 17:20 by GM Unicorn Hi, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We are investigating on the reasons why two attacks from two different Corporation were accepted but in the meantime we cancel the conflict declared later, so only "0uter.Heaven" will be able to attack the district. Should you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Warm regards, GM Unicorn CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514 got some more crackpot theories for us to poke holes in? ---------------------------end transmission----------------------- P.S. wasn't trying to call out KEQ for any of this... read other posts morons Im trying to put the blame where it belongs.. on CCP. but keep running your mouth. you DO realize that its random luck that you hang on by doing this right? look at all the other districts you've 'perma-locked' how many u still have? quit giving Xero more evidence for this community being utterly clueless on, well, everything Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2344	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:10:00 - [14] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: [quote=KenKaniff69]These are a set of concord mails you receive when a district of yours has been attacked. Quote: A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:20:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: FATAL ABSOLUTION *********************************** A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:50:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: ETERNAL BEINGS Layman's terms: EB launched an attack to get their district back. FA tried glitching an attack to get the district for their blue donut masters and failed. That takes some serious balls to say that when you had 48 hrs to report this to CCP. Your multiple attack abuse has been reported aswell as your isk duplication by the use of quadruple and double attacks. We are tired of you shafting FA twice and hellstorm. We kicked your a55 and couldnt reup. It was intentional you didnt report this as you knew the mechanic where the second battle is the one that counts, in this case against a weaker opponent. Your leaders are all caught by their presence in the locking corp that abused this. There is no denying it. Kill em Quick has abused glitches to undergo isk duplication and district manipulation with the knowledge that it benefits only them. The problem with tanks
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 786	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:14:00 - [15] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Kill em Quick has abused glitches to undergo isk duplication and district manipulation with the knowledge that it benefits only them. Repeating a lie multiple times wont make it true.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2344	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:19:00 - [16] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Kill em Quick has abused glitches to undergo isk duplication and district manipulation with the knowledge that it benefits only them. Repeating a lie multiple times wont make it true. How is getting multiple genolutions of of quad locked districts not abusive? How is blocking attempts to reup on the district with alt corps not abusive? (ex. FA in Feb and HS in Feb) You need one person to mash x on the district and you always trim the wallet to 36 mil and change to avoid this. Yet there is proof that atleast 4 people sat there and mashed x. People dont go out of their way to do this. They do it only to benefit themselves. The problem with tanks
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 259	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:29:00 - [17] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Kill em Quick has abused glitches to undergo isk duplication and district manipulation with the knowledge that it benefits only them. Repeating a lie multiple times wont make it true. How is getting multiple genolutions of of quad locked districts not abusive? How is blocking attempts to reup on the district with alt corps not abusive? (ex. FA in Feb and HS in Feb) You need one person to mash x on the district and you always trim the wallet to 36 mil and change to avoid this. Yet there is proof that atleast 4 people sat there and mashed x. People dont go out of their way to do this. They do it only to benefit themselves. Your tinfoil hat is too tight or you're an idiot or both.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI 748	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:39:00 - [18] - Quote Why does KEQ have to report anything? Why is it their responsibility? Why does FA deserve their attack to count? Why can't EB's battle count? Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous DNS first to use game theory. Neo-Realism. Prisoner dilemma look it up b4 you meta
DaNizzle4shizle Pradox One Proficiency V. 778	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:46:00 - [19] - Quote dude. you just gave away your attack timer bro. not smart. Proficiency 5 on my combat rifle, rail rifle, and my assault rifle. Dedicated heavy repper with a bit of slayer inside.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2572	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:46:00 - [20] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Why does KEQ have to report anything? Why is it their responsibility? Why does FA deserve their attack to count? Why can't EB's battle count? 1.) They said they reported it. It was their decision, according to them. 2.) Because no one else can know about it ASIDE from the corp that has been double stacked. No one else is in a position to prevent the problem happening except the corp that was attacked. 3.) CCP stated the battle that occurs first should 'count'. 4.) Refer to # 3 CEO of FA B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought

CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 359	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:02:00 - [21] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Why does KEQ have to report anything? Why is it their responsibility? Why does FA deserve their attack to count? Why can't EB's battle count? 1.) They said they reported it. It was their decision, according to them. 2.) Because no one else can know about it ASIDE from the corp that has been double stacked. No one else is in a position to prevent the problem happening except the corp that was attacked. 3.) CCP stated the battle that occurs first should 'count'. 4.) Refer to # 3 To be mad at us because FA and eternal beings attack at the same time and there battles got bug then to turn around and call us glitchers and slander are recruitment post is some low **** of your people Z. i had respect for your guys but sadly thats gone. there are many problems with this game and that all falls on CCP but you people hit a new low lastnight trying to blame us for the mix up. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:00:00 - [22] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. I'm not trying to start anything, but I haven't received an answer on this: how is what you're accusing KEQ of any different than the rampant locking everyone did for months? Other than the amount of isk they "might" have generated by doing this, how is abusing the intention of the game any different? Can someone please give me a credible answer on this because I see them being the exact same thing. "Regular locking" kept the district from being flipped and generated passive isk without any risk. "Quad locking" keeps the district from being flipped and generates isk without any risk. Are we getting into degrees of abuse or something? One is a bigger abuse than the other? Thanks, people!
Everything Dies Inner.Hell 652	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:10:00 - [23] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: The reality is... this is like that En Vogue song Never gonna get it never gonna get it woah woah woah WOOOAAHH NEVER gonna get it, never get it My God, those ladies were soooo sexy back in the day... Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit. Eight months has been long enough...guess it's time to learn how to play with a squad.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2345	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:17:00 - [24] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. I'm not trying to start anything, but I haven't received an answer on this: how is what you're accusing KEQ of any different than the rampant locking everyone did for months? Other than the amount of isk they "might" have generated by doing this, how is abusing the intention of the game any different? Can someone please give me a credible answer on this because I see them being the exact same thing. "Regular locking" kept the district from being flipped and generated passive isk without any risk. "Quad locking" keeps the district from being flipped and generates isk without any risk. Are we getting into degrees of abuse or something? One is a bigger abuse than the other? Thanks, people! Locking was done by simply have ONE person attack a district upon it's status being unlocked and unattacked. This would grant a refund of the clone pack and one genolution for the battle win. KEQ used numerous (up to FOUR successfully) to get multiple attacks in on each district. This grants additional genolutions and allows a safeguard in case a rival corporation gets an attack in. If there are two battles on the district, only the last battle to end's results count. This means that you can kill clones and get genolution in the extra battles, sit a guy in there AFK to draw the match out if you know you are going to lose the other battle, or throw off the target snipe time. Each director had an alt in the locking corp and repeatedly did this. If they were ultimately concerned about their districts being sniped, they would have had exactly 36 mil in the alt corp's wallet to prevent a double attack. Trolling us or not what they have done is wrong. The corps that have won attacks deserve a reup. The concord mail tell all. The problem with tanks
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1699	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:18:00 - [25] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: kiarbanor wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. I'm not trying to start anything, but I haven't received an answer on this: how is what you're accusing KEQ of any different than the rampant locking everyone did for months? Other than the amount of isk they "might" have generated by doing this, how is abusing the intention of the game any different? Can someone please give me a credible answer on this because I see them being the exact same thing. "Regular locking" kept the district from being flipped and generated passive isk without any risk. "Quad locking" keeps the district from being flipped and generates isk without any risk. Are we getting into degrees of abuse or something? One is a bigger abuse than the other? Thanks, people! Locking was done by simply have ONE person attack a district upon it's status being unlocked and unattacked. This would grant a refund of the clone pack and one genolution for the battle win. KEQ used numerous (up to FOUR successfully) to get multiple attacks in on each district. This grants additional genolutions and allows a safeguard in case a rival corporation gets an attack in. If there are two battles on the district, only the last battle to end's results count. This means that you can kill clones and get genolution in the extra battles, sit a guy in there AFK to draw the match out if you know you are going to lose the other battle, or throw off the target snipe time. Each director had an alt in the locking corp and repeatedly did this. If they were ultimately concerned about their districts being sniped, they would have had exactly 36 mil in the alt corp's wallet to prevent a double attack. Trolling us or not what they have done is wrong. The corps that have won attacks deserve a reup. The concord mail tell all. So which is our locking corp, Fatal Absolution or Eternal Beings? Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1388	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:18:00 - [26] - Quote So ya'll are up in arms because they clicked buttons? Sounds legit. Hey KEQ, stop clicking buttons.. ok? problem solved.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1705	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:20:00 - [27] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: So ya'll are up in arms because they clicked buttons? Sounds legit. Hey KEQ, stop clicking buttons.. ok? problem solved. but..... but.... but..... Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Timbo101 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 232	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:23:00 - [28] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: So ya'll are up in arms because they clicked buttons? Sounds legit. Hey KEQ, stop clicking buttons.. ok? problem solved. Hey bullit, wanna bang sometime
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2345	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:23:00 - [29] - Quote Everyone can troll DNS or FA, but the evidence doesn't lie. Last night there was a mix up, that wasn't reported or acted on. In prior months there was district and battle manipulation and isk duplication. Honestly Fiddle and I asked nicely to sort this situation out, yet KEQ refused to work with us. The problem with tanks
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 383	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:26:00 - [30] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: kiarbanor wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. I'm not trying to start anything, but I haven't received an answer on this: how is what you're accusing KEQ of any different than the rampant locking everyone did for months? Other than the amount of isk they "might" have generated by doing this, how is abusing the intention of the game any different? Can someone please give me a credible answer on this because I see them being the exact same thing. "Regular locking" kept the district from being flipped and generated passive isk without any risk. "Quad locking" keeps the district from being flipped and generates isk without any risk. Are we getting into degrees of abuse or something? One is a bigger abuse than the other? Thanks, people! Locking was done by simply have ONE person attack a district upon it's status being unlocked and unattacked. This would grant a refund of the clone pack and one genolution for the battle win. KEQ used numerous (up to FOUR successfully) to get multiple attacks in on each district. This grants additional genolutions and allows a safeguard in case a rival corporation gets an attack in. If there are two battles on the district, only the last battle to end's results count. This means that you can kill clones and get genolution in the extra battles, sit a guy in there AFK to draw the match out if you know you are going to lose the other battle, or throw off the target snipe time. Each director had an alt in the locking corp and repeatedly did this. If they were ultimately concerned about their districts being sniped, they would have had exactly 36 mil in the alt corp's wallet to prevent a double attack. Trolling us or not what they have done is wrong. The corps that have won attacks deserve a reup. The concord mail tell all. I understand the different approaches to locking, but I'm still not sure how the two are fundamentally different. They are both using mechanics that CCP allowed (either knowlingly or unknowingly). They're both abusing the true intent of the game. I'm not for any of that crap, by the way. There is no way I would have ever locked, no matter what. I would rather lose the district than resort to abusing the mechanics. But I'm still not convinced the two are fundamentally different. And, please don't worry, I won't keep asking because I honestly don't think anyone is going to give a solid enough reason that convinces me they are different. Happy Gaming!!!

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1705	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:27:00 - [31] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Everyone can troll DNS or FA, but the evidence doesn't lie. Last night there was a mix up, that wasn't reported or acted on. In prior months there was district and battle manipulation and isk duplication. Honestly Fiddle and I asked nicely to sort this situation out, yet KEQ refused to work with us. Our night people aren't the best ones to talk to. They REALLY don't like negotiating with terrorists. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1388	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:28:00 - [32] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Everyone can troll DNS or FA, but the evidence doesn't lie. Last night there was a mix up, that wasn't reported or acted on. In prior months there was district and battle manipulation and isk duplication. Honestly Fiddle and I asked nicely to sort this situation out, yet KEQ refused to work with us. This is basically the same ***** as people claiming Kane Spero should be banned because he uses insider information as CPM to further his position as overlord in Dust. Where is the proof? You can post screen shots of previous battles and conspiracy theorize all you want.. but unless you can PROVE that they weren't simply clicking buttons and the game glitched itself.. your position should be that of... send in a ticket, and shut the ** up about it. Let CCP fix their game.. and continue the QQ train while you are stuck at 99%.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2345	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:28:00 - [33] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Everyone can troll DNS or FA, but the evidence doesn't lie. Last night there was a mix up, that wasn't reported or acted on. In prior months there was district and battle manipulation and isk duplication. Honestly Fiddle and I asked nicely to sort this situation out, yet KEQ refused to work with us. Our night people aren't the best ones to talk to. They REALLY don't like negotiating with terrorists. We simply asked to allow a reup on the district after we won. And KEQ refused. vov The problem with tanks
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1389	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:30:00 - [34] - Quote Timbo101 wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: So ya'll are up in arms because they clicked buttons? Sounds legit. Hey KEQ, stop clicking buttons.. ok? problem solved. Hey bullit, wanna bang sometime Sheppard sounds Canadian.. wanna bang, eh?
xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 119	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:31:00 - [35] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Why does KEQ have to report anything? Why is it their responsibility? Why does FA deserve their attack to count? Why can't EB's battle count? 1.) They said they reported it. It was their decision, according to them. 2.) Because no one else can know about it ASIDE from the corp that has been double stacked. No one else is in a position to prevent the problem happening except the corp that was attacked. 3.) CCP stated the battle that occurs first should 'count'. 4.) Refer to # 3 To be mad at us because FA and eternal beings attack at the same time and there battles got bug then to turn around and call us glitchers and slander are recruitment post is some low ** of your people Z. i had respect for your guys but sadly thats gone. there are many problems with this game and that all falls on CCP but you people hit a new low lastnight trying to blame us for the mix up. At the end of the day. KEQ lost that district to us, It should not be in KEQ possession. Thats all there is to it. I LOGI LIKE I GIVE A FLUX** \|Director of Fatal Absolution\| \|\|Ringer Hub Creator\|\|
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1721	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:11:00 - [36] - Quote xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Why does KEQ have to report anything? Why is it their responsibility? Why does FA deserve their attack to count? Why can't EB's battle count? 1.) They said they reported it. It was their decision, according to them. 2.) Because no one else can know about it ASIDE from the corp that has been double stacked. No one else is in a position to prevent the problem happening except the corp that was attacked. 3.) CCP stated the battle that occurs first should 'count'. 4.) Refer to # 3 To be mad at us because FA and eternal beings attack at the same time and there battles got bug then to turn around and call us glitchers and slander are recruitment post is some low **** of your people Z. i had respect for your guys but sadly thats gone. there are many problems with this game and that all falls on CCP but you people hit a new low lastnight trying to blame us for the mix up. At the end of the day. KEQ lost that district to us, It should not be in KEQ possession. Thats all there is to it. Don't get ahead of yourself, you used a clonepack on a district with 311 clones. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1721	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:13:00 - [37] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Everyone can troll DNS or FA, but the evidence doesn't lie. Last night there was a mix up, that wasn't reported or acted on. In prior months there was district and battle manipulation and isk duplication. Honestly Fiddle and I asked nicely to sort this situation out, yet KEQ refused to work with us. Our night people aren't the best ones to talk to. They REALLY don't like negotiating with terrorists. We simply asked to allow a reup on the district after we won. And KEQ refused. vov Why even ask if you won't accept no? Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
J0LLY R0G3R Dirt Nap Squad. 737	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:43:00 - [38] - Quote Silly G.E.Q XD isk is for the rich ++++Gimme Back my SG RoF++++ XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 793	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:48:00 - [39] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Why does KEQ have to report anything? Why is it their responsibility? Why does FA deserve their attack to count? Why can't EB's battle count? 1.) They said they reported it. It was their decision, according to them. 2.) Because no one else can know about it ASIDE from the corp that has been double stacked. No one else is in a position to prevent the problem happening except the corp that was attacked. 3.) CCP stated the battle that occurs first should 'count'. 4.) Refer to # 3 To be mad at us because FA and eternal beings attack at the same time and there battles got bug then to turn around and call us glitchers and slander are recruitment post is some low **** of your people Z. i had respect for your guys but sadly thats gone. there are many problems with this game and that all falls on CCP but you people hit a new low lastnight trying to blame us for the mix up. At the end of the day. KEQ lost that district to us, It should not be in KEQ possession. Thats all there is to it. Don't get ahead of yourself, you used a clonepack on a district with 311 clones. All they wanted was a chance to reup and play for the district. I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with Eternal Beings, but I have a hard time believing that both sides are beating each other up with clone packs.
Timbo101 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 242	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:59:00 - [40] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: All they wanted was a chance to reup and play for the district. I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with Eternal Beings, but I have a hard time believing that both sides are beating each other up with clone packs. No that is literally what is happening

Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 392	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:11:00 - [41] - Quote Timbo101 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: All they wanted was a chance to reup and play for the district. I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with Eternal Beings, but I have a hard time believing that both sides are beating each other up with clone packs. No that is literally what is happening http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af30/brbluntime/0413vsEB1_zps4096ff26.jpg http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af30/brbluntime/0413vsEB2_zps8951de30.jpg The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 211	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:42:00 - [42] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Everyone can troll DNS or FA, but the evidence doesn't lie. Last night there was a mix up, that wasn't reported or acted on. In prior months there was district and battle manipulation and isk duplication. Honestly Fiddle and I asked nicely to sort this situation out, yet KEQ refused to work with us. Our night people aren't the best ones to talk to. They REALLY don't like negotiating with terrorists. We simply asked to allow a reup on the district after we won. And KEQ refused. vov Awwwww poor little dork got told no and is now crying about it. You do not run KEQ and we will not bend over for you like most these other corps have. Get over it. Until then maybe you didn't hear? KEQ DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS!
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2347	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:25:00 - [43] - Quote Dust User wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Everyone can troll DNS or FA, but the evidence doesn't lie. Last night there was a mix up, that wasn't reported or acted on. In prior months there was district and battle manipulation and isk duplication. Honestly Fiddle and I asked nicely to sort this situation out, yet KEQ refused to work with us. Our night people aren't the best ones to talk to. They REALLY don't like negotiating with terrorists. We simply asked to allow a reup on the district after we won. And KEQ refused. vov Awwwww poor little dork got told no and is now crying about it. You do not run KEQ and we will not bend over for you like most these other corps have. Get over it. Until then maybe you didn't hear? KEQ DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS! Sorry we beat you fair and square. All we want is a reup. Is that too much to ask? The problem with tanks
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4258	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:45:00 - [44] - Quote Dust User wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Everyone can troll DNS or FA, but the evidence doesn't lie. Last night there was a mix up, that wasn't reported or acted on. In prior months there was district and battle manipulation and isk duplication. Honestly Fiddle and I asked nicely to sort this situation out, yet KEQ refused to work with us. Our night people aren't the best ones to talk to. They REALLY don't like negotiating with terrorists. We simply asked to allow a reup on the district after we won. And KEQ refused. vov Awwwww poor little dork got told no and is now crying about it. You do not run KEQ and we will not bend over for you like most these other corps have. Get over it. Until then maybe you didn't hear? KEQ DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS! WTF? This is like denying a football player points after getting a touchdown! "But referee, I just crossed the goal line, shouldn't I get the points I earned? Or at least to attempt for 1 or 2 points afterwards?" "No. The other team says that they will not bend to your will. They don't negotiate with terrorist!" "WTF Ref, that doesn't make any sense!" "I know, but what can I do about it?" So we are doing what we can to fix this. Providing proof of what happened, filing tickets, and making a sh!tstorm so that CCP will see it. Hopefully this gets fixed, because nothing is more aggravating than winning a battle, and not being able to re-up and take the district. Why even attack if you can't take the district? Oh yeah, before everyone goes and says: "Well I thought you guys wanted good fights! Who cares about the district!" KEQ doesn't put up good fights. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 217	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:25:00 - [45] - Quote I didn't come to your home and hide your controller. You could have attacked just like anyone else. Thanks for the tears today, kept me entertained.
kayn TARON KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:48:00 - [46] - Quote Gildart Lightray wrote: Funny they attacked us when we held the district last and got two battles 1 hour apart from each other. You're telling me KEQ really did plan this out all along? I thought it was glitched on accident. We didn't report just for the hell of it. As stated in another post: You might want to get your facts straight. Eternal Beings had attacked us and i'm "assuming" that you both hit the button at about the same time causing the double attack. KEQ had nothing to do with this "glitch" We can not stop you all from having multiple corps spamming the attack button as that is outside our control. Also DNS don't glitch I think there are a few video's of multiple people from AE abusing many many different ones, melee, cloak, and others lol. Pot calling the Kettle Black there. Also note anyone who knows me I do not in any way shape or form condone any form of abuse of mechanics these are a great example of some broken mechanics that is actually outside the control of defending corp. Note these are my personal thoughts and have no baring on any KEQ as a whole, and not the option of the corp but of mine personally. Dust is marketed as an FPS/MMO. Can you name me one MMO that does not have a functional online friends list or PVE? lol
baniel bj 25	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:00:00 - [47] - Quote Wow Who's op?
Zcynx Rivera S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.04.22 13:29:00 - [48] - Quote So let me get this straight, is ok for one corp to exploit and abuse the in-game mechanics, but when another does the same with/without it to win, all of a sudden is wrong? Why is it that when people get a taste of their own medicine all hell breaks loose and they decide to QQ about it in this game? Every player in this game knows whats up with most of you PC corps and while you want to sound all noble by calling people out first, it just makes you look like a total ass...et to the game. Let the hate comments and irrelevant explanations begin!
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 129	Posted - 2014.04.22 13:33:00 - [49] - Quote from the desk of Cubs: everyone can move along, the rebels have been extinguished and zero hostages were taken. in Layman's Terms: KEQ is back on the sideline, where they may be for a good long while. Cheer up, I hear FFXIV is coming to PS4!! go find a way to glitch chocobo breeding so you can, you know, have a lot of chocobos ----------------------------end transmission--------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 413	Posted - 2014.04.22 14:06:00 - [50] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: from the desk of Cubs: everyone can move along, the rebels have been extinguished and zero hostages were taken. in Layman's Terms: KEQ is back on the sideline, where they may be for a good long while. Cheer up, I hear FFXIV is coming to PS4!! go find a way to glitch chocobo breeding so you can, you know, have a lot of chocobos ----------------------------end transmission--------------------- good game to you guys lastnight you put together a mighty strong team and we did not so we got smashed. are love for this game will never stop nor will are fights see you back on the field real soon o7 The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu

TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3099	Posted - 2014.04.22 14:21:00 - [51] - Quote On a brighter note guys, ps2 is coming to the ps4 soon offering everything dust wants to be minus the 'immersion'. And I heard that you can simply pay for sht as well so a lovely reduced grind, will definitely be good for a few months. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 561	Posted - 2014.04.22 16:20:00 - [52] - Quote LOL.... "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Timbo101 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 266	Posted - 2014.04.22 16:50:00 - [53] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: LOL.... You definitely did not laugh at loud big! Maybe COL: chuckle out loud
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 563	Posted - 2014.04.22 17:12:00 - [54] - Quote Timbo101 wrote: bigolenuts wrote: LOL.... You definitely did not laugh at loud big! Maybe COL: chuckle out loud The entire thread made me LOL Timmy. True story. The wife asked what I was laughing about. I told her to get the lip balm, her time has come. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Timbo101 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 266	Posted - 2014.04.22 17:33:00 - [55] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Timbo101 wrote: bigolenuts wrote: LOL.... You definitely did not laugh at loud big! Maybe COL: chuckle out loud The entire thread made me LOL Timmy. True story. The wife asked what I was laughing about. I told her to get the lip balm, her time has come. It is time!
Sad Heavy Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 75	Posted - 2014.04.22 20:28:00 - [56] - Quote Timbo101 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: All they wanted was a chance to reup and play for the district. I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with Eternal Beings, but I have a hard time believing that both sides are beating each other up with clone packs. No that is literally what is happening We had an arrangement with you guys Scrubby Python Pilot, Corp Chat Troll, Elite Scrub, Caldari Loyalist
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1032	Posted - 2014.04.23 04:58:00 - [57] - Quote Man I love this. Just like a broken record. The same 2-3 guys posting and reading their own posts in like 5 separate threads, trying to slander KEQ. Then, when faced with a logical good-will explanation by KEQ officers pointing out the opposite, they plug up their ears and run to start a new thread. You guys surely see that this is silly and unprofessional. Immature forum 'meta war' that makes you look childish. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3116	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:28:00 - [58] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Man I love this. Just like a broken record. The same 2-3 guys posting and reading their own posts in like 5 separate threads, trying to slander KEQ. Then, when faced with a logical good-will explanation by KEQ officers pointing out the opposite, they plug up their ears and run to start a new thread. You guys surely see that this is silly and unprofessional. Immature forum 'meta war' that makes you look childish. You just hit many nails on the head. You forgot to add that dust was doomed the moment console scrubs started helping develop a game with vision that stretches beyond mediocre rubbish like mag. Mag was good because you guys had fk all hahahahaha. I'm just randomly being a cnt, swivel hahahahaha. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Gildart Lightray Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 149	Posted - 2014.04.23 10:20:00 - [59] - Quote Sad Heavy wrote: Timbo101 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: All they wanted was a chance to reup and play for the district. I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with Eternal Beings, but I have a hard time believing that both sides are beating each other up with clone packs. No that is literally what is happening We had an arrangement with you guys No we didn't lol we had a legit little war while everyone else that's good at this game joined one alliance and started sucking each other's dicks. To bad it broke the bank. For us at least. Need to find me? I'll be in "Gildarts Cave"
Tallen Ellecon 1801	Posted - 2014.04.23 12:09:00 - [60] - Quote Gildart Lightray wrote: Sad Heavy wrote: Timbo101 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: All they wanted was a chance to reup and play for the district. I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with Eternal Beings, but I have a hard time believing that both sides are beating each other up with clone packs. No that is literally what is happening We had an arrangement with you guys No we didn't lol we had a legit little war while everyone else that's good at this game joined one alliance and started sucking each other's dicks. To bad it broke the bank. For us at least. Sorry to hear that. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

Sad Heavy Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 77	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:11:00 - [61] - Quote Gildart Lightray wrote: Sad Heavy wrote: Timbo101 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: All they wanted was a chance to reup and play for the district. I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with Eternal Beings, but I have a hard time believing that both sides are beating each other up with clone packs. No that is literally what is happening We had an arrangement with you guys No we didn't lol we had a legit little war while everyone else that's good at this game joined one alliance and started sucking each other's dicks. To bad it broke the bank. For us at least. Meh, we'll have the money back soon enough Scrubby Python Pilot, Corp Chat Troll, Elite Scrub, Caldari Loyalist
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 574	Posted - 2014.04.23 23:24:00 - [62] - Quote Marlin Kirby wrote: Timbo101 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: All they wanted was a chance to reup and play for the district. I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with Eternal Beings, but I have a hard time believing that both sides are beating each other up with clone packs. No that is literally what is happening http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af30/brbluntime/0413vsEB1_zps4096ff26.jpg http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af30/brbluntime/0413vsEB2_zps8951de30.jpg From the looks of those photo's it appears as if someone else can not field a full team. That's ok though, right? "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 255	Posted - 2014.04.24 10:32:00 - [63] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Marlin Kirby wrote: Timbo101 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: All they wanted was a chance to reup and play for the district. I don't know what kind of arrangement you have with Eternal Beings, but I have a hard time believing that both sides are beating each other up with clone packs. No that is literally what is happening http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af30/brbluntime/0413vsEB1_zps4096ff26.jpg http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af30/brbluntime/0413vsEB2_zps8951de30.jpg From the looks of those photo's it appears as if someone else can not field a full team. That's ok though, right? Go back to The Show.
demens grimwulff Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 258	Posted - 2014.04.24 14:45:00 - [64] - Quote I declare this thread: "House of Fail" DNS: "KEQ has been exploiting a game breaking mechanic, involving isk farming PC, which is a game mode, and continues to abuse it to deny others the ability to use it." KEQ: "Oh yea... well, AE used glitches in the past!" others from non-PC corps: "Yea... AE glitched in the past!" (I doubt some of them were even around for it) Here is the difference: KEQ found a way to bar everyone from entering the business, and even if you did, all your money was gone but you got nothing. AE and MANY others (including KEQ members) abused melee glitching to make sure they got the product they wanted first... you could still leave the store and go elsewhere for what you wanted. Blocking entry > moments of discomfort. Blocking entry while getting up to quadruple your profit... Much worse than that. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2319	Posted - 2014.04.24 15:39:00 - [65] - Quote I'm a little confused... So if you are concerned with the possibility that this mechanic lets KEQ glitch by 'multi-locking' isn't it an equally valid if not more valid concern that just regular locking can be nullified by other corps' attack spam? IOW, doesn't this make locking less of a possibility? Because this really is possible, right? This is the first time I've heard about this mechanic, never coming into this section of the forums... But all of a sudden it became a concern when two different attacks from two different corps caused the opportunity for exploitation on KEQ's part. The semantics behind culpability become messy. What is true is that multiple corps or the same corp CAN launch multiple attacks on the same district to multi-stack attacks, right? Correct me on my data here, but, in my opinion, when being attacked by hostiles, the chance of this working in the defender's favor are small because... 1) To fully exploit the genolution sales of each extra attack they have to field a big enough team to win each match, and also field a team for concurrent battles, this requires a larger group than normal just to defend one district in a time slot. 2) They aren't guaranteed a victory in a concurrent lock attempt because they cannot be sure they are the last attack. Therefore they are paying to gamble on the success of their lock, if it can be nullified from a later glitched battle. Also, to summarize other concerns it sounds like could exist... Couldn't district holders just start spamming themselves with clone packs, getting stacked attacks, killing 200-300 clones each attack until the last one, and then throwing the final battle now be able to make a profit from locking districts? ...maybe this has already been mentioned... If DNS wanted to be consistent with their abusing game mechanics to their fullest extent to show CCP the error of their ways, I think they should be working full time, to figure out how to multi-lock as many districts as possible, and then farming these "Shrodinger Clones" over and over on each district.
SoTasLost Property Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2014.04.24 15:45:00 - [66] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: I'm a little confused... So if you are concerned with the possibility that this mechanic lets KEQ glitch by 'multi-locking' isn't it an equally valid if not more valid concern that just regular locking can be nullified by other corps' attack spam? IOW, doesn't this make locking less of a possibility? Because this really is possible, right? This is the first time I've heard about this mechanic, never coming into this section of the forums... But all of a sudden it became a concern when two different attacks from two different corps caused the opportunity for exploitation on KEQ's part. The semantics behind culpability become messy. What is true is that multiple corps or the same corp CAN launch multiple attacks on the same district to multi-stack attacks, right? Correct me on my data here, but, in my opinion, when being attacked by hostiles, the chance of this working in the defender's favor are small because... 1) To fully exploit the genolution sales of each extra attack they have to field a big enough team to win each match, and also field a team for concurrent battles, this requires a larger group than normal just to defend one district in a time slot. 2) They aren't guaranteed a victory in a concurrent lock attempt because they cannot be sure they are the last attack. Therefore they are paying to gamble on the success of their lock, if it can be nullified from a later glitched battle. Also, to summarize other concerns it sounds like could exist... Couldn't district holders just start spamming themselves with clone packs, getting stacked attacks, killing 200-300 clones each attack until the last one, and then throwing the final battle now be able to make a profit from locking districts? ...maybe this has already been mentioned... If DNS wanted to be consistent with their abusing game mechanics to their fullest extent to show CCP the error of their ways, I think they should be working full time, to figure out how to multi-lock as many districts as possible, and then farming these "Shrodinger Clones" over and over on each district. Food for thought about your two numbered points: KEQ didn't need to field a team against themselves/allies.... So they could literally do it all with 5 people. And look how many of them happen to be involved in doing this? Lol. I'm not an honest believer of KEQ being massively rich on the side from abusing this - and if they are, they keep it hidden, props to them for playing smart. Either way, it's not like that ISK is going to win them any battles. They'll just be giving people in pubs more ISK for there kills. :3
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 424	Posted - 2014.04.24 16:11:00 - [67] - Quote SoTasLost Property wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: I'm a little confused... So if you are concerned with the possibility that this mechanic lets KEQ glitch by 'multi-locking' isn't it an equally valid if not more valid concern that just regular locking can be nullified by other corps' attack spam? IOW, doesn't this make locking less of a possibility? Because this really is possible, right? This is the first time I've heard about this mechanic, never coming into this section of the forums... But all of a sudden it became a concern when two different attacks from two different corps caused the opportunity for exploitation on KEQ's part. The semantics behind culpability become messy. What is true is that multiple corps or the same corp CAN launch multiple attacks on the same district to multi-stack attacks, right? Correct me on my data here, but, in my opinion, when being attacked by hostiles, the chance of this working in the defender's favor are small because... 1) To fully exploit the genolution sales of each extra attack they have to field a big enough team to win each match, and also field a team for concurrent battles, this requires a larger group than normal just to defend one district in a time slot. 2) They aren't guaranteed a victory in a concurrent lock attempt because they cannot be sure they are the last attack. Therefore they are paying to gamble on the success of their lock, if it can be nullified from a later glitched battle. Also, to summarize other concerns it sounds like could exist... Couldn't district holders just start spamming themselves with clone packs, getting stacked attacks, killing 200-300 clones each attack until the last one, and then throwing the final battle now be able to make a profit from locking districts? ...maybe this has already been mentioned... If DNS wanted to be consistent with their abusing game mechanics to their fullest extent to show CCP the error of their ways, I think they should be working full time, to figure out how to multi-lock as many districts as possible, and then farming these "Shrodinger Clones" over and over on each district. Food for thought about your two numbered points: KEQ didn't need to field a team against themselves/allies.... So they could literally do it all with 5 people. And look how many of them happen to be involved in doing this? Lol. As for 'luck' it's seems to occur often enough, even to stop re-up attacks. Lol I'm not an honest believer of KEQ being massively rich on the side from abusing this - and if they are, they keep it hidden, props to them for playing smart. Either way, it's not like that ISK is going to win them any battles. They'll just be giving people in pubs more ISK for there kills. :3 i don't think people really understand this bug and how it works. when you have more than one person trying to lock its a greater chance of getting the lock but your taking a gamble that it might bug out the system resulting rarely in the muliple attack bug which is a bad thing cause you lose isk off the extra attacks. i would ask anyone to test it out and you will see that there is no way to make isk out of locking you lose isk ether way but you lose more isk when more than one attack goes thru. in your testing you will find that it is not something that you can just make happen it is very rare but does happen from time to time but don't sit there and try to say that you can make isk off this because that is a bold face lie. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
SoTasLost Property Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 70	Posted - 2014.04.24 16:16:00 - [68] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: SoTasLost Property wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: I'm a little confused... So if you are concerned with the possibility that this mechanic lets KEQ glitch by 'multi-locking' isn't it an equally valid if not more valid concern that just regular locking can be nullified by other corps' attack spam? IOW, doesn't this make locking less of a possibility? Because this really is possible, right? This is the first time I've heard about this mechanic, never coming into this section of the forums... But all of a sudden it became a concern when two different attacks from two different corps caused the opportunity for exploitation on KEQ's part. The semantics behind culpability become messy. What is true is that multiple corps or the same corp CAN launch multiple attacks on the same district to multi-stack attacks, right? Correct me on my data here, but, in my opinion, when being attacked by hostiles, the chance of this working in the defender's favor are small because... 1) To fully exploit the genolution sales of each extra attack they have to field a big enough team to win each match, and also field a team for concurrent battles, this requires a larger group than normal just to defend one district in a time slot. 2) They aren't guaranteed a victory in a concurrent lock attempt because they cannot be sure they are the last attack. Therefore they are paying to gamble on the success of their lock, if it can be nullified from a later glitched battle. Also, to summarize other concerns it sounds like could exist... Couldn't district holders just start spamming themselves with clone packs, getting stacked attacks, killing 200-300 clones each attack until the last one, and then throwing the final battle now be able to make a profit from locking districts? ...maybe this has already been mentioned... If DNS wanted to be consistent with their abusing game mechanics to their fullest extent to show CCP the error of their ways, I think they should be working full time, to figure out how to multi-lock as many districts as possible, and then farming these "Shrodinger Clones" over and over on each district. Food for thought about your two numbered points: KEQ didn't need to field a team against themselves/allies.... So they could literally do it all with 5 people. And look how many of them happen to be involved in doing this? Lol. As for 'luck' it's seems to occur often enough, even to stop re-up attacks. Lol I'm not an honest believer of KEQ being massively rich on the side from abusing this - and if they are, they keep it hidden, props to them for playing smart. Either way, it's not like that ISK is going to win them any battles. They'll just be giving people in pubs more ISK for there kills. :3 i don't think people really understand this bug and how it works. when you have more than one person trying to lock its a greater chance of getting the lock but your taking a gamble that it might bug out the system resulting rarely in the muliple attack bug which is a bad thing cause you lose isk off the extra attacks. i would ask anyone to test it out and you will see that there is no way to make isk out of locking you lose isk ether way but you lose more isk when more than one attack goes thru. in your testing you will find that it is not something that you can just make happen it is very rare but does happen from time to time but don't sit there and try to say that you can make isk off this because that is a bold face lie. I'd test it if I could - but I'll take your word for it. I've no reason to think so low of KEQ that I would dismiss any possibility of this just being a bad mechanic that no one benefits from if you guys say so. If NF or anyone else wants to pursue this - get them to duplicate the effect for a first hand view. I like that idea.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 819	Posted - 2014.04.24 16:17:00 - [69] - Quote This thread should be called the great wall of text. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2319	Posted - 2014.04.24 16:32:00 - [70] - Quote SoTasLost Property wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: i don't think people really understand this bug and how it works. when you have more than one person trying to lock its a greater chance of getting the lock but your taking a gamble that it might bug out the system resulting rarely in the muliple attack bug which is a bad thing cause you lose isk off the extra attacks. i would ask anyone to test it out and you will see that there is no way to make isk out of locking you lose isk ether way but you lose more isk when more than one attack goes thru. in your testing you will find that it is not something that you can just make happen it is very rare but does happen from time to time but don't sit there and try to say that you can make isk off this because that is a bold face lie. I'd test it if I could - but I'll take your word for it. I've no reason to think so low of KEQ that I would dismiss any possibility of this just being a bad mechanic that no one benefits from if you guys say so. If NF or anyone else wants to pursue this - get them to duplicate the effect for a first hand view. I like that idea. Pretty much this. I think people have been REALLY quick on the draw here to assume that KEQ are all of a sudden massively able to tip the balance of big-bad-ne'er-do-well-uber-interplanetary-power all of a sudden in their own favor. I think its really premature for DNS to complain as loudly as they have here, and not more maturely just deal with the bug as it is. Instead, there is more emotional capital being spent on playing the meta-game (defacing KEQ) than simply describing the problem, presenting it to CCP, and plugging at them for a response. The fact that DNS is so concerned about the tiny little sprinkle that is/was KEQ on their big blue donut is silly, and it doesn't bode well for the future of the community's willingness to assist with making this a better game.



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