DUST Search - KEQ's Glitching in Lehman's Terms

KenKaniff69 wrote:

kiarbanor wrote:

KenKaniff69 wrote:

Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp.

I'm not trying to start anything, but I haven't received an answer on this: how is what you're accusing KEQ of any different than the rampant locking everyone did for months? Other than the amount of isk they "might" have generated by doing this, how is abusing the intention of the game any different?

Can someone please give me a credible answer on this because I see them being the exact same thing. "Regular locking" kept the district from being flipped and generated passive isk without any risk. "Quad locking" keeps the district from being flipped and generates isk without any risk.

Are we getting into degrees of abuse or something? One is a bigger abuse than the other?

Thanks, people!

Locking was done by simply have ONE person attack a district upon it's status being unlocked and unattacked. This would grant a refund of the clone pack and one genolution for the battle win.

KEQ used numerous (up to FOUR successfully) to get multiple attacks in on each district. This grants additional genolutions and allows a safeguard in case a rival corporation gets an attack in. If there are two battles on the district, only the last battle to end's results count. This means that you can kill clones and get genolution in the extra battles, sit a guy in there AFK to draw the match out if you know you are going to lose the other battle, or throw off the target snipe time.

Each director had an alt in the locking corp and repeatedly did this. If they were ultimately concerned about their districts being sniped, they would have had exactly 36 mil in the alt corp's wallet to prevent a double attack.

Trolling us or not what they have done is wrong. The corps that have won attacks deserve a reup. The concord mail tell all.

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KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2338	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:35:00 - [1] - Quote These are a set of concord mails you receive when a district of yours has been attacked. Quote: A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:20:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: FATAL ABSOLUTION ********************************* A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:50:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: ETERNAL BEINGS If you look at the dates and times of the battles then you will notice that same district has been attacked twice by different corps. This is mainly due to server side error, but never the less was not not reported by KEQ. So FA had their battle, which we won starting at 2:20 and ending at 2:44 according to the genolution time in my wallet. FA win left 311 clones on the district-which is the same number which it had started with. Then the eternal being match started shortly after. KEQ won leaving 197 clones on the district. So the last match is the only one that counts. KEQ failed to report this to CCP and knowingly abused a glitch to save their district. But that's not where it stops. FA is not the first corp they have done this too. Hellstorm has been a victim aswell. Here is another set of mails. Quote: District: Bosena IX - District 1 Time of battle: 2014.03.02 01:10:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards ************************************************************************ A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Bosena IX - District 1 Time of battle: 2014.03.02 01:00:00 Attacking corporation: Hellstorm Inc Hellstorm placed an attack on this district at the same time as their alt corp. They knowingly put a person in the match to draw it out and negate the results of the hellstorm win. Finally here is a quadruple attack. Quote: A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Altbrard VI - District 14 Time of battle: 2014.02.28 04:50:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards ***** A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Altbrard VI - District 14 Time of battle: 2014.02.28 04:10:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards ********* A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Altbrard VI - District 14 Time of battle: 2014.02.28 04:50:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards ********* A district belonging to your corporation has been attacked: District: Altbrard VI - District 14 Time of battle: 2014.02.28 04:40:00 Attacking corporation: jobless bums with neckbeards This means multiple genolutions and the ability to kill clones that don't count. This means somewhere around 100 million isk could be generated per district every 2 days. Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. http://dustboard.com/global/statistics/corporation/jobless_bums_with_neckbeards 18 people just to lock districts? all their officers have alts there is no denying that they knew this. why would 4 people mash x when all you needed was one? Then when we simply ask you to forward a set of mails, you deny it. Well here is the proof. The problem with tanks
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 2021	Posted - 2014.04.16 05:52:00 - [2] - Quote Just from a glance those alts are dead give aways of their mains Dust User Jr. who could that be CUSE WarMonger hmmmmmmmm what about Timbo Slice Definitely can't tell their mains ISK Donuts are delicious Q_Q Moar
Gildart Lightray Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 132	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:01:00 - [3] - Quote Funny they attacked us when we held the district last and got two battles 1 hour apart from each other. You're telling me KEQ really did plan this out all along? I thought it was glitched on accident. We didn't report just for the hell of it. Need to find me? I'll be in "Gildarts Cave"
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2341	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:04:00 - [4] - Quote Gildart Lightray wrote: Funny they attacked us when we held the district last and got two battles 1 hour apart from each other. You're telling me KEQ really did plan this out all along? I thought it was glitched on accident. We didn't report just for the hell of it. When there are regular cases of multiple attacks by your locking corp which have their info used to prevent a district loss in the case of FA twice and Hellstorm once it would certainly seem that way. The problem with tanks
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 784	Posted - 2014.04.16 06:52:00 - [5] - Quote The most damning part is the financial incentive to do this. During the clone pack refund days, using this glitch, it would have been possible to "create" more than 50 million ISK per district per lock. The evidence provided by concord mails shows that not only were they double stacking during this time period, they were triple and quad stacking. This does not happen on accident, double stacking I can believe to be accidental, Quad stacking takes intent. Intent with the financial motive that two separate glitches provided paints a pretty clear picture.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 245	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:33:00 - [6] - Quote Who is Lehman?
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 107	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:45:00 - [7] - Quote Gildart Lightray wrote: Funny they attacked us when we held the district last and got two battles 1 hour apart from each other. You're telling me KEQ really did plan this out all along? I thought it was glitched on accident. We didn't report just for the hell of it. from the desk of Cubs: KEQ stumbled upon this glitch during the days of everyone perma-locking matter of fact, I can go through my Skype to narrow the time they learned of it, as I have an old friend who was aware of what they uncovered. yup, early February. In addition, we stumbled on this long go when AE and OH were attacking TEAM. They both hit a district at the same time, causing this exact same effect, but from different intentions. I sent a ticket at the time, and CCP simply removed the later match time, and that was it. Now did I know THEN that it could be used in such a way? No, but I never thought twice about it. now KEQ has done this regularly since early February, and who knows possibly even earlier without my knowing. so long story short.. YES it was planned out all along, and the 'glitch' is no accident o and when was this FIRST reported to CCP? November 3rd.... Hawkin can even verify this --------------------------------------------end transmission----------------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 765	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:54:00 - [8] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: now KEQ has done this regularly since early February, and who knows possibly even earlier without my knowing. so long story short.. YES it was planned out all along, and the 'glitch' is no accident o and when was this FIRST reported to CCP? No need for "friends" telling you anything. Getting an alt in KEQ is just as easy as applying, we don't care about them. So just use yours and look at all the notifications. You will notice that there are only a couple of instances of multi attacks or defences, all of them by accident. Hardly "planned"-+ or "regularly". And yesterday it was FA and EB attacking us, we were not involved. Nice attempt at slandering though. Just send the ticket support to CCP to revert the situation, get your CPM boss to make CCP correct those bugs, and stop talking out of your ass. Dude, for an elite alliance, you sure love to cry.
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 107	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:05:00 - [9] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: now KEQ has done this regularly since early February, and who knows possibly even earlier without my knowing. so long story short.. YES it was planned out all along, and the 'glitch' is no accident o and when was this FIRST reported to CCP? No need for "friends" telling you anything. Getting an alt in KEQ is just as easy as applying, we don't care about them. So just use yours and look at all the notifications. You will notice that there are only a couple of instances of multi attacks or defences, all of them by accident. Hardly "planned"-+ or "regularly". And yesterday it was FA and EB attacking us, we were not involved. Nice attempt at slandering though. Just send the ticket support to CCP to revert the situation, get your CPM boss to make CCP correct those bugs, and stop talking out of your ass. Dude, for an elite alliance, you sure love to cry. from the desk of cubs: you must mistake me for some random sh1tbum. I don't play the 'alt' game never have. I don't do the 'spy' crap. every timer Ive ever sniped from you were your own people selling you out. the power of isk and im not crying, I'm simply sifting thru the BS to at least let people know reality, whether they choose to believe it or not ------------------------------------------end transmission-------------------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 768	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:08:00 - [10] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: you must mistake me for some random sh1tbum. I don't play the 'alt' game never have. I don't do the 'spy' crap. Said the alt... Cubs Secretary wrote: and im not crying, I'm simply sifting thru the BS to at least let people know reality, whether they choose to believe it or not Then you still have a lot of sifting to do, since your posts are still full of BS. Carry on with it.

ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1343	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:08:00 - [11] - Quote The reality is... this is like that En Vogue song Never gonna get it never gonna get it woah woah woah WOOOAAHH NEVER gonna get it, never get it
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:49:00 - [12] - Quote [quote=KenKaniff69]These are a set of concord mails you receive when a district of yours has been attacked. Quote: A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:20:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: FATAL ABSOLUTION *********************************** A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:50:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: ETERNAL BEINGS Layman's terms: EB launched an attack to get their district back. FA tried glitching an attack to get the district for their blue donut masters and failed.
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 107	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:03:00 - [13] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: [quote=KenKaniff69]These are a set of concord mails you receive when a district of yours has been attacked. Quote: A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:20:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: FATAL ABSOLUTION *********************************** A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:50:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: ETERNAL BEINGS Layman's terms: EB launched an attack to get their district back. FA tried glitching an attack to get the district for their blue donut masters and failed. from the desk of Cubs: actually, based on previous action by CCP, the 2nd match here should have been removed and voided. their isk refunded and the match deleted from your battle tab, making only the first one valid. precendent set forth last November: PC Battle issue Filed at 02.11.2013 22:13 by CHICAGOCUBS4EVER The MHPD district meildolf v district. Was conquered Friday evening. The moment it came online, it was attacked. The issue is, it was attacked by Corporations simultaneously. Currently we are set to defend the same district twice tomorrow, from 2 Autonomous attacks. This is an obvious bug that needs to be addressed before the match. The times are even different, being 20 minutes apart. The attackers are ancient exiles and outer heaven. defending corp moiden heath poiice department. thank you for getting this straightened out. Messages Posted at 03.11.2013 17:20 by GM Unicorn Hi, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We are investigating on the reasons why two attacks from two different Corporation were accepted but in the meantime we cancel the conflict declared later, so only "0uter.Heaven" will be able to attack the district. Should you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Warm regards, GM Unicorn CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514 got some more crackpot theories for us to poke holes in? ---------------------------end transmission----------------------- P.S. wasn't trying to call out KEQ for any of this... read other posts morons Im trying to put the blame where it belongs.. on CCP. but keep running your mouth. you DO realize that its random luck that you hang on by doing this right? look at all the other districts you've 'perma-locked' how many u still have? quit giving Xero more evidence for this community being utterly clueless on, well, everything Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2344	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:10:00 - [14] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: [quote=KenKaniff69]These are a set of concord mails you receive when a district of yours has been attacked. Quote: A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:20:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: FATAL ABSOLUTION *********************************** A DISTRICT BELONGING TO YOUR CORPORATION HAS BEEN ATTACKED: DISTRICT: ODDELULF III - DISTRICT 3 TIME OF BATTLE: 2014.04.16 02:50:00 ATTACKING CORPORATION: ETERNAL BEINGS Layman's terms: EB launched an attack to get their district back. FA tried glitching an attack to get the district for their blue donut masters and failed. That takes some serious balls to say that when you had 48 hrs to report this to CCP. Your multiple attack abuse has been reported aswell as your isk duplication by the use of quadruple and double attacks. We are tired of you shafting FA twice and hellstorm. We kicked your a55 and couldnt reup. It was intentional you didnt report this as you knew the mechanic where the second battle is the one that counts, in this case against a weaker opponent. Your leaders are all caught by their presence in the locking corp that abused this. There is no denying it. Kill em Quick has abused glitches to undergo isk duplication and district manipulation with the knowledge that it benefits only them. The problem with tanks
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 786	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:14:00 - [15] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Kill em Quick has abused glitches to undergo isk duplication and district manipulation with the knowledge that it benefits only them. Repeating a lie multiple times wont make it true.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2344	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:19:00 - [16] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Kill em Quick has abused glitches to undergo isk duplication and district manipulation with the knowledge that it benefits only them. Repeating a lie multiple times wont make it true. How is getting multiple genolutions of of quad locked districts not abusive? How is blocking attempts to reup on the district with alt corps not abusive? (ex. FA in Feb and HS in Feb) You need one person to mash x on the district and you always trim the wallet to 36 mil and change to avoid this. Yet there is proof that atleast 4 people sat there and mashed x. People dont go out of their way to do this. They do it only to benefit themselves. The problem with tanks
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 259	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:29:00 - [17] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Kill em Quick has abused glitches to undergo isk duplication and district manipulation with the knowledge that it benefits only them. Repeating a lie multiple times wont make it true. How is getting multiple genolutions of of quad locked districts not abusive? How is blocking attempts to reup on the district with alt corps not abusive? (ex. FA in Feb and HS in Feb) You need one person to mash x on the district and you always trim the wallet to 36 mil and change to avoid this. Yet there is proof that atleast 4 people sat there and mashed x. People dont go out of their way to do this. They do it only to benefit themselves. Your tinfoil hat is too tight or you're an idiot or both.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI 748	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:39:00 - [18] - Quote Why does KEQ have to report anything? Why is it their responsibility? Why does FA deserve their attack to count? Why can't EB's battle count? Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous DNS first to use game theory. Neo-Realism. Prisoner dilemma look it up b4 you meta
DaNizzle4shizle Pradox One Proficiency V. 778	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:46:00 - [19] - Quote dude. you just gave away your attack timer bro. not smart. Proficiency 5 on my combat rifle, rail rifle, and my assault rifle. Dedicated heavy repper with a bit of slayer inside.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2572	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:46:00 - [20] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Why does KEQ have to report anything? Why is it their responsibility? Why does FA deserve their attack to count? Why can't EB's battle count? 1.) They said they reported it. It was their decision, according to them. 2.) Because no one else can know about it ASIDE from the corp that has been double stacked. No one else is in a position to prevent the problem happening except the corp that was attacked. 3.) CCP stated the battle that occurs first should 'count'. 4.) Refer to # 3 CEO of FA B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought

CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 359	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:02:00 - [21] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Why does KEQ have to report anything? Why is it their responsibility? Why does FA deserve their attack to count? Why can't EB's battle count? 1.) They said they reported it. It was their decision, according to them. 2.) Because no one else can know about it ASIDE from the corp that has been double stacked. No one else is in a position to prevent the problem happening except the corp that was attacked. 3.) CCP stated the battle that occurs first should 'count'. 4.) Refer to # 3 To be mad at us because FA and eternal beings attack at the same time and there battles got bug then to turn around and call us glitchers and slander are recruitment post is some low **** of your people Z. i had respect for your guys but sadly thats gone. there are many problems with this game and that all falls on CCP but you people hit a new low lastnight trying to blame us for the mix up. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:00:00 - [22] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. I'm not trying to start anything, but I haven't received an answer on this: how is what you're accusing KEQ of any different than the rampant locking everyone did for months? Other than the amount of isk they "might" have generated by doing this, how is abusing the intention of the game any different? Can someone please give me a credible answer on this because I see them being the exact same thing. "Regular locking" kept the district from being flipped and generated passive isk without any risk. "Quad locking" keeps the district from being flipped and generates isk without any risk. Are we getting into degrees of abuse or something? One is a bigger abuse than the other? Thanks, people!
Everything Dies Inner.Hell 652	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:10:00 - [23] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: The reality is... this is like that En Vogue song Never gonna get it never gonna get it woah woah woah WOOOAAHH NEVER gonna get it, never get it My God, those ladies were soooo sexy back in the day... Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit. Eight months has been long enough...guess it's time to learn how to play with a squad.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2345	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:17:00 - [24] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. I'm not trying to start anything, but I haven't received an answer on this: how is what you're accusing KEQ of any different than the rampant locking everyone did for months? Other than the amount of isk they "might" have generated by doing this, how is abusing the intention of the game any different? Can someone please give me a credible answer on this because I see them being the exact same thing. "Regular locking" kept the district from being flipped and generated passive isk without any risk. "Quad locking" keeps the district from being flipped and generates isk without any risk. Are we getting into degrees of abuse or something? One is a bigger abuse than the other? Thanks, people! Locking was done by simply have ONE person attack a district upon it's status being unlocked and unattacked. This would grant a refund of the clone pack and one genolution for the battle win. KEQ used numerous (up to FOUR successfully) to get multiple attacks in on each district. This grants additional genolutions and allows a safeguard in case a rival corporation gets an attack in. If there are two battles on the district, only the last battle to end's results count. This means that you can kill clones and get genolution in the extra battles, sit a guy in there AFK to draw the match out if you know you are going to lose the other battle, or throw off the target snipe time. Each director had an alt in the locking corp and repeatedly did this. If they were ultimately concerned about their districts being sniped, they would have had exactly 36 mil in the alt corp's wallet to prevent a double attack. Trolling us or not what they have done is wrong. The corps that have won attacks deserve a reup. The concord mail tell all. The problem with tanks
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1699	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:18:00 - [25] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: kiarbanor wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. I'm not trying to start anything, but I haven't received an answer on this: how is what you're accusing KEQ of any different than the rampant locking everyone did for months? Other than the amount of isk they "might" have generated by doing this, how is abusing the intention of the game any different? Can someone please give me a credible answer on this because I see them being the exact same thing. "Regular locking" kept the district from being flipped and generated passive isk without any risk. "Quad locking" keeps the district from being flipped and generates isk without any risk. Are we getting into degrees of abuse or something? One is a bigger abuse than the other? Thanks, people! Locking was done by simply have ONE person attack a district upon it's status being unlocked and unattacked. This would grant a refund of the clone pack and one genolution for the battle win. KEQ used numerous (up to FOUR successfully) to get multiple attacks in on each district. This grants additional genolutions and allows a safeguard in case a rival corporation gets an attack in. If there are two battles on the district, only the last battle to end's results count. This means that you can kill clones and get genolution in the extra battles, sit a guy in there AFK to draw the match out if you know you are going to lose the other battle, or throw off the target snipe time. Each director had an alt in the locking corp and repeatedly did this. If they were ultimately concerned about their districts being sniped, they would have had exactly 36 mil in the alt corp's wallet to prevent a double attack. Trolling us or not what they have done is wrong. The corps that have won attacks deserve a reup. The concord mail tell all. So which is our locking corp, Fatal Absolution or Eternal Beings? Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1388	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:18:00 - [26] - Quote So ya'll are up in arms because they clicked buttons? Sounds legit. Hey KEQ, stop clicking buttons.. ok? problem solved.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1705	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:20:00 - [27] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: So ya'll are up in arms because they clicked buttons? Sounds legit. Hey KEQ, stop clicking buttons.. ok? problem solved. but..... but.... but..... Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Timbo101 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 232	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:23:00 - [28] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: So ya'll are up in arms because they clicked buttons? Sounds legit. Hey KEQ, stop clicking buttons.. ok? problem solved. Hey bullit, wanna bang sometime
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2345	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:23:00 - [29] - Quote Everyone can troll DNS or FA, but the evidence doesn't lie. Last night there was a mix up, that wasn't reported or acted on. In prior months there was district and battle manipulation and isk duplication. Honestly Fiddle and I asked nicely to sort this situation out, yet KEQ refused to work with us. The problem with tanks
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 383	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:26:00 - [30] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: kiarbanor wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Locking is one thing. Double and Quadruple locking in order to duplicate isk is another thing. I have dozens of mails to prove this and there is no denying this from the size of KEQ's locking corp. I'm not trying to start anything, but I haven't received an answer on this: how is what you're accusing KEQ of any different than the rampant locking everyone did for months? Other than the amount of isk they "might" have generated by doing this, how is abusing the intention of the game any different? Can someone please give me a credible answer on this because I see them being the exact same thing. "Regular locking" kept the district from being flipped and generated passive isk without any risk. "Quad locking" keeps the district from being flipped and generates isk without any risk. Are we getting into degrees of abuse or something? One is a bigger abuse than the other? Thanks, people! Locking was done by simply have ONE person attack a district upon it's status being unlocked and unattacked. This would grant a refund of the clone pack and one genolution for the battle win. KEQ used numerous (up to FOUR successfully) to get multiple attacks in on each district. This grants additional genolutions and allows a safeguard in case a rival corporation gets an attack in. If there are two battles on the district, only the last battle to end's results count. This means that you can kill clones and get genolution in the extra battles, sit a guy in there AFK to draw the match out if you know you are going to lose the other battle, or throw off the target snipe time. Each director had an alt in the locking corp and repeatedly did this. If they were ultimately concerned about their districts being sniped, they would have had exactly 36 mil in the alt corp's wallet to prevent a double attack. Trolling us or not what they have done is wrong. The corps that have won attacks deserve a reup. The concord mail tell all. I understand the different approaches to locking, but I'm still not sure how the two are fundamentally different. They are both using mechanics that CCP allowed (either knowlingly or unknowingly). They're both abusing the true intent of the game. I'm not for any of that crap, by the way. There is no way I would have ever locked, no matter what. I would rather lose the district than resort to abusing the mechanics. But I'm still not convinced the two are fundamentally different. And, please don't worry, I won't keep asking because I honestly don't think anyone is going to give a solid enough reason that convinces me they are different. Happy Gaming!!!



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