DUST Search - which dropsuit goes right with swarms

Alpha 443-6732 wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

Alpha 443-6732 wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

Dont listen to these suicidal monkeys here. Use a scout with cloak, trust me its more important to stay hidden from hostiles when your primary weapon is a swarm launcher. And you can decloak behind a tank and start pummel him with your swarms. No other suit is capable to do surprise attacks like a scout.

that's a huge gimmick

what's stopping the tanker from going third person, seeing you cloaked and then pummeling your ass?

Nothing is stopping him, but nothing is making him, either, at least until you score that first juicy kill. Many tankers spend far too much time in first person mode, and 99% are in first person mode when they're actively trying to shoot infantry.

You say it's a gimmick, but if it works just a few times in a match, that may be all you need to turn the tide. If you could sneak up on a tank into RE range before 1.8, once you add a cloak it's just not hard at all. Also, 2 equip slots means you can bring REs or a nano in addition to the cloak, so you don't really sacrifice utility compared to the commando or assault AV in terms of equipment.

I say it's a gimmick because it's unreliable against anyone who isn't an idiot

even if he is in first person mode, what's stopping him from switching after he feels the first shot?

REs are different, because they are a lot less noisy to place

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baniel bj 23	Posted - 2014.04.15 02:49:00 - [1] - Quote Really i need some advice i just skilled into swarms, got at least 2 tanks in battle, but am wondering wat dropsuit goes right with it. Help me out here. Who's op?
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1160	Posted - 2014.04.15 02:57:00 - [2] - Quote Minmatar commando is ideal for solo work. Amarr logi is ideal for teamplay Scouts. General John Ripper is my 2nd best friend!
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 185	Posted - 2014.04.15 02:59:00 - [3] - Quote I love my Minmatar Commando with CR/SL... The reload bonus helps a ton with putting out more dps, and the second light weapon slot lets you retain some efficacy against infantry. Oh, and did I mention a damage bonus? Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando / Do you even lift?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1916	Posted - 2014.04.15 04:38:00 - [4] - Quote a sica
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 290	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:10:00 - [5] - Quote assault suits due to the reduction to light/sidarm wepaons. allows you to have reasonbly good hp along with decent speed to keep sight of the tank and allows a decetn sidearm to ward off infantry. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1358	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:25:00 - [6] - Quote I haven't tried the min commando, but I would guess them since they get the bonus on that Caldari weapon golf clap for CCP on that one For me, my Min assault is best because speed and mobility help me out when using swarms it seems and clip bonus to SMG which becomes my anti infantry weapon in that situation. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2771	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:28:00 - [7] - Quote Dont listen to these suicidal monkeys here. Use a scout with cloak, trust me its more important to stay hidden from hostiles when your primary weapon is a swarm launcher. And you can decloak behind a tank and start pummel him with your swarms. No other suit is capable to do surprise attacks like a scout. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1872	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:29:00 - [8] - Quote Scout, personally. Cloak for positioning and escape is hugely, hugely helpful for swarm AV. Plus, I find (unsurprisingly) that swarms are insufficient alone- when I want a tank dead, I sneak up using the cloak while they're occupied standing still to shoot something, slap a few REs on, throw an uncooked flux, empty my swarm clip, then blow the REs. Dead tank every time as long as I can land the REs- even one is often enough. Nerdier than thou
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5639	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:31:00 - [9] - Quote Depends. Are you trying to be combat viable as well as AV? Or you just have a suit that's sole purpose is AV and nothing else? Go with that scout crap if it's the later but a Commando suit with the supported AV weapon would be ideal for an AI/AV role. Kind of like the Engineer from Battlefield. He is still capable of killing enemies but can destroy vehicles as well. Not this one trick pony nonsense. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1873	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:38:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Depends. Are you trying to be combat viable as well as AV? Or you just have a suit that's sole purpose is AV and nothing else? Go with that scout crap if it's the later but a Commando suit with the supported AV weapon would be ideal for an AI/AV role. Kind of like the Engineer from Battlefield. He is still capable of killing enemies but can destroy vehicles as well. Not this one trick pony nonsense. One trick pony nonsense? I beg to differ. I spent all of last Dust-week (Wednesday-Wednesday) playing a dual sidearm scout. When combined with the cloak's ability to dictate engagement range, the SMG and Magsec are only a hair worse than a rifle- very similar DPS and damage/clip. Nerdier than thou

Mercenary Anti Armor Dust2Dust. Top Men. 31	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:44:00 - [11] - Quote Well idk what suit is best for u but i use caldari scout. I dnt use the cloak,my equipment are nanohive and remote or sometimes a regular remote and a proximity remote. I can also detect tank easier which help when im solo, but just help a little. But if you are a scout, remeber ur sidearm is ur only infantry weapon. With flux, u can take out vehicles or infantry shield, and finish them off with swarm or ur sidearm. There alot but it depend on how you play I'll swarm the out of you guys
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 463	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:45:00 - [12] - Quote literally ANY commando goes excellently with swarms. however, your job as a light infantry AVer is not to hunt tanks, but to stick with your squad and push vehicles away from them/destroy them. Heavy infantry AV usually has a hard time keeping up with a squad, so they typically run solo or in pairs Try finding a good squad and using a light AV weapon (swarm, plc) in addition to a rifle
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 463	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:46:00 - [13] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Depends. Are you trying to be combat viable as well as AV? Or you just have a suit that's sole purpose is AV and nothing else? Go with that scout crap if it's the later but a Commando suit with the supported AV weapon would be ideal for an AI/AV role. Kind of like the Engineer from Battlefield. He is still capable of killing enemies but can destroy vehicles as well. Not this one trick pony nonsense. This guy gets it
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 463	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:47:00 - [14] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Dont listen to these suicidal monkeys here. Use a scout with cloak, trust me its more important to stay hidden from hostiles when your primary weapon is a swarm launcher. And you can decloak behind a tank and start pummel him with your swarms. No other suit is capable to do surprise attacks like a scout. that's a huge gimmick what's stopping the tanker from going third person, seeing you cloaked and then pummeling your ass?
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 187	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:47:00 - [15] - Quote ANY commando suit preferably the Minmatar Commando for the additional explosive damage. But try to stick with your squad for support on knocking down the tank. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 214	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:49:00 - [16] - Quote Proto gallente suit is good for it. 3 highs for damage mods and 4 lows for armour. I think its a good fit.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1873	Posted - 2014.04.15 05:54:00 - [17] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Dont listen to these suicidal monkeys here. Use a scout with cloak, trust me its more important to stay hidden from hostiles when your primary weapon is a swarm launcher. And you can decloak behind a tank and start pummel him with your swarms. No other suit is capable to do surprise attacks like a scout. that's a huge gimmick what's stopping the tanker from going third person, seeing you cloaked and then pummeling your ass? Nothing is stopping him, but nothing is making him, either, at least until you score that first juicy kill. Many tankers spend far too much time in first person mode, and 99% are in first person mode when they're actively trying to shoot infantry. You say it's a gimmick, but if it works just a few times in a match, that may be all you need to turn the tide. If you could sneak up on a tank into RE range before 1.8, once you add a cloak it's just not hard at all. Also, 2 equip slots means you can bring REs or a nano in addition to the cloak, so you don't really sacrifice utility compared to the commando or assault AV in terms of equipment. Nerdier than thou
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 463	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:00:00 - [18] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Dont listen to these suicidal monkeys here. Use a scout with cloak, trust me its more important to stay hidden from hostiles when your primary weapon is a swarm launcher. And you can decloak behind a tank and start pummel him with your swarms. No other suit is capable to do surprise attacks like a scout. that's a huge gimmick what's stopping the tanker from going third person, seeing you cloaked and then pummeling your ass? Nothing is stopping him, but nothing is making him, either, at least until you score that first juicy kill. Many tankers spend far too much time in first person mode, and 99% are in first person mode when they're actively trying to shoot infantry. You say it's a gimmick, but if it works just a few times in a match, that may be all you need to turn the tide. If you could sneak up on a tank into RE range before 1.8, once you add a cloak it's just not hard at all. Also, 2 equip slots means you can bring REs or a nano in addition to the cloak, so you don't really sacrifice utility compared to the commando or assault AV in terms of equipment. I say it's a gimmick because it's unreliable against anyone who isn't an idiot even if he is in first person mode, what's stopping him from switching after he feels the first shot? REs are different, because they are a lot less noisy to place
Cruor Abominare Horizons' Edge 112	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:08:00 - [19] - Quote I'm liking my caldari scout Av suit. Swarms smg cloak and res. Natural profile size keeps you off vehicle scans with max passives. Speeds and passive scan keeps you from getting jumped by infantry and a maxed out smg is one of the most under rated weapons in the game. Worse case you can cloak to get in close or sneak away from threats and tanks. You can also ditch an equip for hives to your liking. commandos are really poor suits that with their high hp attract poor players anyways. They're slow dumb and radar blind, avoid like the plague. I've never turned a corner and been like oh **** its a command. I just take my free kill.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1873	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:08:00 - [20] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Dont listen to these suicidal monkeys here. Use a scout with cloak, trust me its more important to stay hidden from hostiles when your primary weapon is a swarm launcher. And you can decloak behind a tank and start pummel him with your swarms. No other suit is capable to do surprise attacks like a scout. that's a huge gimmick what's stopping the tanker from going third person, seeing you cloaked and then pummeling your ass? Nothing is stopping him, but nothing is making him, either, at least until you score that first juicy kill. Many tankers spend far too much time in first person mode, and 99% are in first person mode when they're actively trying to shoot infantry. You say it's a gimmick, but if it works just a few times in a match, that may be all you need to turn the tide. If you could sneak up on a tank into RE range before 1.8, once you add a cloak it's just not hard at all. Also, 2 equip slots means you can bring REs or a nano in addition to the cloak, so you don't really sacrifice utility compared to the commando or assault AV in terms of equipment. I say it's a gimmick because it's unreliable against anyone who isn't an idiot even if he is in first person mode, what's stopping him from switching after he feels the first shot? REs are different, because they are a lot less noisy to place Protip: most people are idiots. I'm not talking about leet PC tactics here. He feels the first shot and switches to third person- that's one second. He rotates the turret 180 degrees- that's multiple seconds. By then, the swarm clip is empty and either I'm cloaked up and nearly in cover, or I've thrown my nades and popped REs for the kill. Either way, all of those seconds were spent not shooting my teammates or other AVers. Nerdier than thou

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2504	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:12:00 - [21] - Quote baniel bj wrote: Really i need some advice i just skilled into swarms, got at least 2 tanks in battle, but am wondering wat dropsuit goes right with it. Help me out here. A scout, swarms + res + cloak + fast speed. A super quick 1-2 punch. For the Federation!
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 398	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:13:00 - [22] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Dont listen to these suicidal monkeys here. Use a scout with cloak, trust me its more important to stay hidden from hostiles when your primary weapon is a swarm launcher. And you can decloak behind a tank and start pummel him with your swarms. No other suit is capable to do surprise attacks like a scout. While you are right that scouts with cloaks have the element of surprise, nothing comes even close to the combined infantry and vehicle stopping power of the minmando. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2948	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:22:00 - [23] - Quote Back when I ran swarms I did it on my minmatar logi, but back then you only had two choices of medium frames (min logi and cal assault), so the minmatar worked better because of the speed. The whole point of swarms is an AV option that allows you to be more mobile. You want to augment that mobility as much as possible, so a minmatar suit or scout wuit would work best. A scout would be best with a cloak and remotes. Basically you run up and throw remotes on the tank, cloak up and run away. Then use your swarms to take out as much health as possible, and when he runs away to heal, BOOM. The Commando would give you more combat efficiency, and you can still run at 8 m/s with two complex sprint mods so speed shouldn't be an issue. I think the biggest downside of running a commando is your profile. While heavives have more hp, you'll be 10x easier to spot on the minimap, and seeing as almost all armor tanks run a scanner you'll be scanned for sure. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1166	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:53:00 - [24] - Quote Cruor Abominare wrote: I'm liking my caldari scout Av suit. Swarms smg cloak and res. Natural profile size keeps you off vehicle scans with max passives. Speeds and passive scan keeps you from getting jumped by infantry and a maxed out smg is one of the most under rated weapons in the game. Worse case you can cloak to get in close or sneak away from threats and tanks. You can also ditch an equip for hives to your liking. commandos are really poor suits that with their high hp attract poor players anyways. They're slow dumb and radar blind, avoid like the plague. I've never turned a corner and been like oh **** its a command. I just take my free kill. You've never fought a mincommando with Boundless CR and/FREEDOM mD then? Mine's almost maxed out on prof. Seriously, i can kill shotty scouts before they even land the 2nd round. General John Ripper is my 2nd best friend!
Bunny Demon Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 107	Posted - 2014.04.15 08:52:00 - [25] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: I love my Minmatar Commando with CR/SL... The reload bonus helps a ton with putting out more dps, and the second light weapon slot lets you retain some efficacy against infantry. Oh, and did I mention a damage bonus? Correct me if I'm wrong but the SL is a caldari launcher weapon, not a minmitar projectile weapon so I don't think it gets the damage bonus from any commando unless they catorgaries the SL as an explosive weapon which I didn't think they did even though it does technically explode
Sum1ne Else Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1092	Posted - 2014.04.15 09:06:00 - [26] - Quote Amarr Logi for sure - prob the best ADV logi in the game because its so versatile. Good tank, stamina, has a sidearm, best slot layout against any ADV suit. Too bad a specced out of it 1.8; This is the ADV only, I think proto is not great when compared to Min/Gal logis Its a liopleuradon Charlie a magical lioplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 100	Posted - 2014.04.15 10:24:00 - [27] - Quote Bunny Demon wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: I love my Minmatar Commando with CR/SL... The reload bonus helps a ton with putting out more dps, and the second light weapon slot lets you retain some efficacy against infantry. Oh, and did I mention a damage bonus? Correct me if I'm wrong but the SL is a caldari launcher weapon, not a minmitar projectile weapon so I don't think it gets the damage bonus from any commando unless they catorgaries the SL as an explosive weapon which I didn't think they did even though it does technically explode My understanding is that the SL is classified as an explosive weapon.
Patrick57 7008	Posted - 2014.04.15 10:27:00 - [28] - Quote Definitely Amarr Logi. You can have a good tank, stack Damage Mods, and you may even be able to fit a Cloak, along with a good sidearm and some hives. Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1274	Posted - 2014.04.15 10:28:00 - [29] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: ANY commando suit preferably the Minmatar Commando for the additional explosive damage. But try to stick with your squad for support on knocking down the tank. too bad it doesnt apply to swarms.
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 539	Posted - 2014.04.15 10:30:00 - [30] - Quote doesnt the minmatar commando get bonus to explosive? thought swarms came under plasma like the forge and plasma cannon and minny commando got damage to mass drivers Rolling with the punches



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