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Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1064	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:56:00 - [1] - Quote Assuming that it fires 12 projectiles: Lower damage by at least 30% for both shotguns Increase optimal range to 6 m Lower clip size to 6 Uprising 1.8 - Invisible War
PO0KY Virtual Syndicate 559	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:58:00 - [2] - Quote I wasn't aware the situation with shotguns was f*cked.
Toby Flenderson research lab 473	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:59:00 - [3] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Assuming that it fires 12 projectiles: Lower damage by at least 30% for both shotguns Increase optimal range to 6 m Lower clip size to 6 People aren't mad that shotguns are killing them, they're mad that they're being killed by invisible enemies before the decloak. Leave the shotguns alone.
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 261	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:59:00 - [4] - Quote Shotguns are fine. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Appia Nappia 510	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:04:00 - [5] - Quote Shotguns are not fine. They are in a serious need of a buff. The only reason they have the illusion of preforming well is because of the cloak delay not being long enough. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Toby Flenderson research lab 473	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:06:00 - [6] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Shotguns are not fine. They are in a serious need of a buff. The only reason they have the illusion of preforming well is because of the cloak delay not being long enough. I did fine with a dren before the cloaks but have bet used them since 1.8. Unless they nerfed them in 1.8 is say they're fine.
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 264	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:09:00 - [7] - Quote Lol? Shotguns need a BUFF, not a nerf. The Scouts too low profile + weak Scanners are the problem. Use a shotgun without stealth and try to go 30-0, not happening against good enemies. As of right now, to scan Scouts - for your squad. Passive scans are NOT shared- you have to take ridiculous measures. My Scout finding suit is not cheap, plus it takes me out of combat.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3343	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:11:00 - [8] - Quote I agree with the others, it's not the weapon, it's the OP platform they are deployed on. The scanning dB system needs to be looked at and reworked. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 217	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:14:00 - [9] - Quote 1/10. No more AR-514, no more L33T skills? Bang?
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1448	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:14:00 - [10] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Lol? Shotguns need a BUFF, not a nerf. The Scouts too low profile + weak Scanners are the problem. Use a shotgun without stealth and try to go 30-0, not happening against good enemies. As of right now, to scan Scouts - for your squad. Passive scans are NOT shared- you have to take ridiculous measures. My Scout finding suit is not cheap, plus it takes me out of combat. Want to fight a Gal Scout get a Cal Scout... Want to find a Scout ?! Use a Gal Logi with proper modules... It's a beast. But if you run around alone looking for scouts, it wouldn't matter what you are wearing and what you are running... My cal scout costs me 186k... So if you wanna find me and take me down, i'd expect you to put in the effort...

Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 743	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:15:00 - [11] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: As of right now, to scan Scouts - for your squad. Passive scans are NOT shared- you have to take ridiculous measures. Passive scans are shared with your squad members.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1448	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:18:00 - [12] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Medical Crash wrote: As of right now, to scan Scouts - for your squad. Passive scans are NOT shared- you have to take ridiculous measures. Passive scans are shared with your squad members. Yes that too ^
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 429	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:18:00 - [13] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Medical Crash wrote: As of right now, to scan Scouts - for your squad. Passive scans are NOT shared- you have to take ridiculous measures. Passive scans are shared with your squad members. this ^ tell your homies to stop tanking and run a real scout your squadmates will thank you Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 217	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:18:00 - [14] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Passive scans are NOT shared. Incorrect. Bang?
Toby Flenderson research lab 474	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:19:00 - [15] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Medical Crash wrote: As of right now, to scan Scouts - for your squad. Passive scans are NOT shared- you have to take ridiculous measures. Passive scans are shared with your squad members. There seems to be some effort to convince the people who don't know for sure that passive scans are NOT shared. I've seen a few people in various threads spreading the lie. But if it's turning into a numbers game, I support your claim that it is indeed shared between squad mates
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 430	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:20:00 - [16] - Quote Shotguns are not the problem. Firing with zero delay after decloaking is the problem. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 796	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:23:00 - [17] - Quote Uhh... ok so I guess CCP is lying then: CCP wrote: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) from here If they are being shared, file a bug report because they should not be. I wonder if : Flyingconejo NAV HIV DozersMouse XIII Adipem Nothi Toby Flenderson are going to file bug reports, or maybe recant what they just said now. Fixing swarms
Appia Nappia 517	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:23:00 - [18] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Appia Nappia wrote: Shotguns are not fine. They are in a serious need of a buff. The only reason they have the illusion of preforming well is because of the cloak delay not being long enough. I did fine with a dren before the cloaks but have bet used them since 1.8. Unless they nerfed them in 1.8 is say they're fine. If you've not put any SP into shotguns then there hasn't been a change. But the damage between each tier of shotgun isn't enough to change the number of shots to kill someone. The change of Proficiency from 3% bonus to rate of fire, to 3% damage to shields has been a direct nerf. The damage from proficiency is not enough to change the number of shots again which means that any SP invested in Shotgun Proficiency is a complete waste. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
noob cavman Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1228	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:23:00 - [19] - Quote Boundless cr is better at short range than shotgun. Only the cloak is making it op. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 436	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:25:00 - [20] - Quote We still have hit detection issues with shotguns. The LAST thing we need is a damage nerf to them. About 15% of the time you can fire and do no damage at all. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 217	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:25:00 - [21] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Uhh... ok so I guess CCP is lying then: CCP wrote: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) from here If they are being shared, file a bug report because they should not be. My REs are always sticking to things. Please file a bug for me. Bang?
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 264	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:27:00 - [22] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Uhh... ok so I guess CCP is lying then: CCP wrote: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) from here If they are being shared, file a bug report because they should not be. Yeah, see? I knew they weren't shared, what crack are some of you smoking?
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 436	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:28:00 - [23] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Uhh... ok so I guess CCP is lying then: CCP wrote: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) from here If they are being shared, file a bug report because they should not be. Yeah, see? I knew they weren't shared, what crack are some of you smoking? They were enabled again with 1.8 Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
knight of 6 Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1771	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:28:00 - [24] - Quote PO0KY wrote: I wasn't aware the situation with shotguns was fcked. they've been ***** for a long time. they suffer shoddy hit detection and their optimal is too short. cloaks are the only thing that makes them even remotely viable. "I speak for the trees!" Ko6 scout,
PO0KY Virtual Syndicate 560	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:31:00 - [25] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: PO0KY wrote: I wasn't aware the situation with shotguns was fcked. they've been *** for a long time. they suffer shoddy hit detection and their optimal is too short. cloaks are the only thing that makes them even remotely viable. Well yeah, but alldin clearly means they're **** as in OP and need a nerf
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 431	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:32:00 - [26] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Uhh... ok so I guess CCP is lying then: CCP wrote: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) from here If they are being shared, file a bug report because they should not be. I wonder if : Flyingconejo NAV HIV DozersMouse XIII Adipem Nothi Toby Flenderson are going to file bug reports, or maybe recant what they just said now. nope a scouts passive scans should be squad shared and until CCP feels different I will be supporting my squadmates Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 658	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:36:00 - [27] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Assuming that it fires 12 projectiles: Lower damage by at least 30% for both shotguns Increase optimal range to 6 m Lower clip size to 6 So a STD shotgun would do 336 damage while a PRO would do 369. Asuming someone is in a 1000 armor heavy suit while having no shields it would take roughly three shots, which it already usually does considering only about 3/4ths the pellets hit. I'm not entirely against this, but I'd take a 10% RoF buff for a 30% damage cut if the higher end shotguns were worth it. Mmmm Scout ak.0 Projects: TDBS \| SDETool
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 797	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:45:00 - [28] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: My REs are always sticking to things. Please file a bug for me. I believe that was intended as written by CCP, and the last bug with remote explosive was the detonate after kill, that bug has been fixed. LEHON Xeon wrote: Medical Crash wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Uhh... ok so I guess CCP is lying then: CCP wrote: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) from here If they are being shared, file a bug report because they should not be. Yeah, see? I knew they weren't shared, what crack are some of you smoking? They were enabled again with 1.8 Not according to this Fixing swarms
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 797	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:47:00 - [29] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Uhh... ok so I guess CCP is lying then: CCP wrote: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) from here If they are being shared, file a bug report because they should not be. I wonder if : Flyingconejo NAV HIV DozersMouse XIII Adipem Nothi Toby Flenderson are going to file bug reports, or maybe recant what they just said now. nope a scouts passive scans should be squad shared and until CCP feels different I will be supporting my squadmates No it really shouldn't... shared passive squad vision is WAY too powerful. Why do you think they removed it before? Fixing swarms
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 219	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:48:00 - [30] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I'm right I'm right I'm right. Blah Blah Blah Can't hear you! Shared Squad Sight is really easy to test and confirm, Magnus. It's like there's no room for reason in that huge golden helm. Bang?



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