DUST Search - How to un**** the situation with Shotguns

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

Toby Flenderson wrote:

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

No it hasn't. There has been no reliable evidence at ALL presented here. A couple of scrubs on the forums don't count as evidence. Want to prove it to everyone? Make a recording. Oh you have no evidence, then you will excuse me if I don't believe a couple of forum go'ers.

Haha you're going to feel so silly when you realize we're all right. It's like riding the bus and the person sitting next to you saying "the bus driver is a man". Easier thing to confirm, just look. Raising controversy about how the person could prove it you is a waste of time when you could just look yourself. There is no tree fallig and no one is there to hear if it makes a sound. The tree fell and there were many of us there to here it make a sound and you just weren't invited. If you want to sit around waiting for the next tree to fall then be my guest, but don't try to raise controversy on the matter when the rest of us were there to see/hear it for ourselves.

TL;DR: just because it has not been seen by you does not mean that it remains unconfirmed. It's been confirmed by everyone that has observed it happen. There is no room for it to be false just because you haven't seen it. Clearly y simply just don trust me, so I invite you to stop telling people it's false until you see it for yourself since that's apparently the only way truth merges out of the world.

So we just learned two things:

1) you are no scientist, and do not have a scientific mind. If an observation is not repeatable, it is thrown out. Luckily enough, there are other forum go'ers who are attempting to figure out exactly how to reproduce it.

2) Your english composition is also horrible. Seriously I could barely read what you just wrote.

Listen, if I were to believe what a couple of people just said, I guess aliens and bigfoot must be real. I need evidence and fortunately enough another forum go'er will reproduce it and post a video of it.

I myself was not able to produce it so far, but it may be a bunch of different circumstances that have to occur to make it happen. Maybe you can not reproduce it using an amarr scout..... In the end though nothing changes the fact that it is not intended, it is OP, and if it is occurring, bug reports should be submitted. Unless of course you saw the crouch/sprint overheat bug as a "feature" or the melee bug, or the ammo bug.


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Toby Flenderson research lab 473	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:59:00 - [1] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Assuming that it fires 12 projectiles: Lower damage by at least 30% for both shotguns Increase optimal range to 6 m Lower clip size to 6 People aren't mad that shotguns are killing them, they're mad that they're being killed by invisible enemies before the decloak. Leave the shotguns alone.
Toby Flenderson research lab 473	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:06:00 - [2] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Shotguns are not fine. They are in a serious need of a buff. The only reason they have the illusion of preforming well is because of the cloak delay not being long enough. I did fine with a dren before the cloaks but have bet used them since 1.8. Unless they nerfed them in 1.8 is say they're fine.
Toby Flenderson research lab 474	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:19:00 - [3] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Medical Crash wrote: As of right now, to scan Scouts - for your squad. Passive scans are NOT shared- you have to take ridiculous measures. Passive scans are shared with your squad members. There seems to be some effort to convince the people who don't know for sure that passive scans are NOT shared. I've seen a few people in various threads spreading the lie. But if it's turning into a numbers game, I support your claim that it is indeed shared between squad mates
Toby Flenderson research lab 483	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:25:00 - [4] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Uhh... ok so I guess CCP is lying then: CCP wrote: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) from here If they are being shared, file a bug report because they should not be. I wonder if : Flyingconejo NAV HIV DozersMouse XIII Adipem Nothi Toby Flenderson are going to file bug reports, or maybe recant what they just said now. Its easily confirmed. Passive scans are shared. End of story.
Toby Flenderson research lab 484	Posted - 2014.04.14 22:34:00 - [5] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I'm right I'm right I'm right. Can't hear you! Shared Squad Sight is really easy to test and confirm, Magnus. It's like there's no room for reason in that huge golden helm. How does you being a douchebag help anything at all? Anyway, yep, I will test it again later today when I get in a squad. The last few squads I have been in had no passive sharing between them, but no one was a caldari scout either so it is not like it would be incredibly noticeable. I will just throw a ton of scanning stuff on my scout and go hide somewhere in the middle of the enemy away from my squad. Here is the thing though. I lack any type of recording equipment, and I am not enough of a dumbass to suggest you take me at my word, so until actually proven otherwise, I must assume that what CCP wrote is correct. The people who don't believe you have seen it for themselves, you don't need to convince them it does or doesn't share. We already know it does.
Toby Flenderson research lab 504	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:55:00 - [6] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: No it hasn't. There has been no reliable evidence at ALL presented here. A couple of scrubs on the forums don't count as evidence. Want to prove it to everyone? Make a recording. Oh you have no evidence, then you will excuse me if I don't believe a couple of forum go'ers. Haha you're going to feel so silly when you realize we're all right. It's like riding the bus and the person sitting next to you saying "the bus driver is a man". Easier thing to confirm, just look. Raising controversy about how the person could prove it you is a waste of time when you could just look yourself. There is no tree fallig and no one is there to hear if it makes a sound. The tree fell and there were many of us there to here it make a sound and you just weren't invited. If you want to sit around waiting for the next tree to fall then be my guest, but don't try to raise controversy on the matter when the rest of us were there to see/hear it for ourselves. TL;DR: just because it has not been seen by you does not mean that it remains unconfirmed. It's been confirmed by everyone that has observed it happen. There is no room for it to be false just because you haven't seen it. Clearly y simply just don trust me, so I invite you to stop telling people it's false until you see it for yourself since that's apparently the only way truth merges out of the world.
Toby Flenderson research lab 508	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:20:00 - [7] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: No it hasn't. There has been no reliable evidence at ALL presented here. A couple of scrubs on the forums don't count as evidence. Want to prove it to everyone? Make a recording. Oh you have no evidence, then you will excuse me if I don't believe a couple of forum go'ers. Haha you're going to feel so silly when you realize we're all right. It's like riding the bus and the person sitting next to you saying "the bus driver is a man". Easier thing to confirm, just look. Raising controversy about how the person could prove it you is a waste of time when you could just look yourself. There is no tree fallig and no one is there to hear if it makes a sound. The tree fell and there were many of us there to here it make a sound and you just weren't invited. If you want to sit around waiting for the next tree to fall then be my guest, but don't try to raise controversy on the matter when the rest of us were there to see/hear it for ourselves. TL;DR: just because it has not been seen by you does not mean that it remains unconfirmed. It's been confirmed by everyone that has observed it happen. There is no room for it to be false just because you haven't seen it. Clearly y simply just don trust me, so I invite you to stop telling people it's false until you see it for yourself since that's apparently the only way truth merges out of the world. So we just learned two things: 1) you are no scientist, and do not have a scientific mind. If an observation is not repeatable, it is thrown out. Luckily enough, there are other forum go'ers who are attempting to figure out exactly how to reproduce it. 2) Your english composition is also horrible. Seriously I could barely read what you just wrote. Listen, if I were to believe what a couple of people just said, I guess aliens and bigfoot must be real. I need evidence and fortunately enough another forum go'er will reproduce it and post a video of it. I myself was not able to produce it so far, but it may be a bunch of different circumstances that have to occur to make it happen. Maybe you can not reproduce it using an amarr scout..... In the end though nothing changes the fact that it is not intended, it is OP, and if it is occurring, bug reports should be submitted. Unless of course you saw the crouch/sprint overheat bug as a "feature" or the melee bug, or the ammo bug. If I post anything before 6:30 on weekdays then it's from an iPhone while I'm on break at work. The phone lags/misses characters/auto corrects what I type and it comes out jumbled. I also just don't care enough to fix certain mistakes, it's a video game forum. I have a BS in physics and almost my MA in applied mathematics. I understand how science works. However, this is not science in any respectable sense. Calling the confirmation of shared passive scans "science" is like calling the confirmation that there is a period at the end of this sentence "science". All that you need is one account of true/false and the question is answered. There is no control, experiment, or data. It's literally as easy as waiting for the end of this sentence to see if there is or isn't a period. Also it's really pretty ridiculous to compare something like the existence of passive scan sharing and the existence of Bigfoot. I'm assuming you're not actually that stupid to think they're the same, but are instead just trying to make my claims appear no less ridiculous. You can't simply find Bigfoot by logging onto dust and watching your radar when a teammate approaches an enemy. Also, science is not in the business of proving the non-existence of things. There is no scientific experiment that could prove that a magical tea cup too small to be seen with a microscope isn't orbiting the sun somewhere in the astroid belt. You missed the point of my post entirely, just as with my posts in other threads. My point was that saying just because I don't have evidence in the form of a video or picture that my hair is brown doesn't make it any less true no matter how much anyone wants to believe it is/isn't and no matter how OP/UP brown hair is. It's brown regardless of opinion. You just have to look. I actually think it's kind of funny that you're criticizing me for not being scientifically savvy while you are tripping over yourself to see that squad vision is shared. Get a friend and have him run mods. If you have no friends, watch other players in your squad. Get creative. Think like a scientist. Also, this has been a feature for months. People have mentioned it in the forums countless times. People mentioned it when the scout suits were coming out. CCP knows that squad vision is shared. I don't need to file a ticket letting them know this. They simply don't think it's worth addressing. I'd argue that with all of the consideration they had given scouts leading up to 1.8, they must've decided to leave it in to work as intended.