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137H4RGIC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.13 06:48:00 -
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. You can't reply drop uplink with hives, you shouldn't resupply REs with them either. REs have taken the place of the core locus grenades in so far that they are spammed to monotony. Ccp, please look at tweaking REs |
DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
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Posted - 2014.04.13 14:09:00 -
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Man STFU, they've been NERFED so many times now you wanna do this , your idea SUCKS!
EDIT: I mean that in the nicest possible way but no, F NO!
My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
270
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Posted - 2014.04.13 16:50:00 -
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I do agree with OP on this. These things are powerful, and thus should not be easily spammed. Making these act like other pieces of equipment would be a good fix as it would be a nerf, but would not make them less effective.
P.S. any post that has STFU in it is not a condusive way to discuss or counter an idea. If you believe it to be a bad idea, please feel free to bring up reasons that the idea is bad or hurtful to gameplay.
Sage /thread
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1867
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Posted - 2014.04.13 17:50:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:. You can't reply drop uplink with hives, you shouldn't resupply REs with them either. REs have taken the place of the core locus grenades in so far that they are spammed to monotony. Ccp, please look at tweaking REs
lol at no resupply for re's...hell lets just get rid of ammo resupply too...I mean come on ammo is OP 
look scrub, if you just look before you hack or if all else fails throw a nade down you want become a victim of lol ragdoll physics.
now htfu, get gud and all that shite!
this game makes me sad....
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1867
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Posted - 2014.04.13 17:52:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:I do agree with OP on this. These things are powerful, and thus should not be easily spammed. Making these act like other pieces of equipment would be a good fix as it would be a nerf, but would not make them less effective.
P.S. any post that has STFU in it is not a condusive way to discuss or counter an idea. If you believe it to be a bad idea, please feel free to bring up reasons that the idea is bad or hurtful to gameplay.
yes they are powerful but you get a very limited supply and they are stationary... unlike oh I don't know .... a cloaked shotty scout that can lol headshot 30 people a game....
no remotes are fine where they are....
this game makes me sad....
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
270
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:24:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Doshneil Antaro wrote:I do agree with OP on this. These things are powerful, and thus should not be easily spammed. Making these act like other pieces of equipment would be a good fix as it would be a nerf, but would not make them less effective.
P.S. any post that has STFU in it is not a condusive way to discuss or counter an idea. If you believe it to be a bad idea, please feel free to bring up reasons that the idea is bad or hurtful to gameplay. yes they are powerful but you get a very limited supply and they are stationary... unlike oh I don't know .... a cloaked shotty scout that can lol headshot 30 people a game.... no remotes are fine where they are....
All equipment is limited in number and are very potent when used properly. The natural counter is that you have to either die or get to a supply depot to refill. This is unfair to other equipment.
As for cloaks and scouts, that is a seperate topic better argued in other threads.
Sage /thread
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
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Posted - 2014.04.14 01:05:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:I do agree with OP on this. These things are powerful, and thus should not be easily spammed. Making these act like other pieces of equipment would be a good fix as it would be a nerf, but would not make them less effective.
P.S. any post that has STFU in it is not a condusive way to discuss or counter an idea. If you believe it to be a bad idea, please feel free to bring up reasons that the idea is bad or hurtful to gameplay.
True and diplomatic of you as well .
+1 to the Op as well because it is the truth .
Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.14 02:04:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Doshneil Antaro wrote:I do agree with OP on this. These things are powerful, and thus should not be easily spammed. Making these act like other pieces of equipment would be a good fix as it would be a nerf, but would not make them less effective.
P.S. any post that has STFU in it is not a condusive way to discuss or counter an idea. If you believe it to be a bad idea, please feel free to bring up reasons that the idea is bad or hurtful to gameplay. yes they are powerful but you get a very limited supply and they are stationary... unlike oh I don't know .... a cloaked shotty scout that can lol headshot 30 people a game.... no remotes are fine where they are.... All equipment is limited in number and are very potent when used properly. The natural counter is that you have to either die or get to a supply depot to refill. This is unfair to other equipment. As for cloaks and scouts, that is a seperate topic better argued in other threads.
like I said before ammo is op too... and you get much more of that than 3 explosives that can be wasted very easily by an unskilled user
this game makes me sad....
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1067
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Posted - 2014.04.14 02:06:00 -
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You know what are also resupplied?
Flux grenades.
You know what takes out REs?
Flux grenades.
Stop your whining.
Looking for the scout hangout?
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Tonka Legacy
Zincress
81
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Posted - 2014.04.14 03:54:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:You know what are also resupplied?
Flux grenades.
You know what takes out REs?
Flux grenades.
Stop your whining.
He's right, especially proto flux. And if someone is using it as a common weapon, don't follow the suspected RE users exact path. outsmart him/her, go around and flank because hes going to be watching that spot he put the RE.
In other words, RE's are fine the way they are and do NOT need a nerf.
What really needs a nerf is that blasted Plasma cannon, man that thing is so OP (Sarcasm, for you clueless folk who don't know).
Sentinel: I am heavy weapons guy...
Commando: I got a RR and a CR, Im so good.
Logi: In it 4 the points and points only.
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
273
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:08:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:You know what are also resupplied?
Flux grenades.
You know what takes out REs?
Flux grenades.
Stop your whining.
Do you know what else fllux grenades take out?
My uplinks and hives.
Your argument skills are terribad.
Sage /thread
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
273
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:11:00 -
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Tonka Legacy wrote:One Eyed King wrote:You know what are also resupplied?
Flux grenades.
You know what takes out REs?
Flux grenades.
Stop your whining. He's right, especially proto flux. And if someone is using it as a common weapon, don't follow the suspected RE users exact path. outsmart him/her, go around and flank because hes going to be watching that spot he put the RE. In other words, RE's are fine the way they are and do NOT need a nerf. What really needs a nerf is that blasted Plasma cannon, man that thing is so OP (Sarcasm, for you clueless folk who don't know).
It is not a nerf, it is equipment balance. They still would have the same blast area and damage, thus acting exactly the same. This simply makes it a thought placed equipment instead of spam.
Sage /thread
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
273
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:19:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:[quote=Doshneil Antaro][quote=Seymor Krelborn]ike I said before ammo is op too... and you get much more of that than 3 explosives that can be wasted very easily by an unskilled user Ammo for weapons DPS does not apply in one shot, but spread out over time. That point does not apply or even make sense to use as an argument here. If you have issues with ammo quantity, you should make a well thought out post about it in a new thread.
Sage /thread
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BLOOD Ruler
The Blood Ruler's Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:39:00 -
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No one dissing the remote explosive |
Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1910
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:57:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:One Eyed King wrote:You know what are also resupplied?
Flux grenades.
You know what takes out REs?
Flux grenades.
Stop your whining. Do you know what else fllux grenades take out? My uplinks and hives. Your argument skills are terribad.
no.... no actually... his argument skills are spot on here....your the one lacking a bit my friend.
and you know theres even more reason links and hives cant be resupplied
links are to intricate for a hive to reproduce and a hive resupplying hives is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?
hives replenish armor and resupply weapons like grenades, ammo, missles, and remotes, which is made out of the same materials as the other things it resupplies...
aint logic a b*tch?
this game makes me sad....
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
274
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Posted - 2014.04.14 05:05:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:
no.... no actually... his argument skills are spot on here....your the one lacking a bit my friend.
and you know theres even more reason links and hives cant be resupplied
links are to intricate for a hive to reproduce and a hive resupplying hives is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?
hives replenish armor and resupply weapons like grenades, ammo, missles, and remotes, which is made out of the same materials as the other things it resupplies...
aint logic a b*tch?
Using realism in a video game is moot compared to balance and fairness. Plus one could easily argue by your same accounts that remote explosives are made up of intricate chemicals and electronics too complicated for resupply by nanohives. The explosive material in grenades are different than those found in remotes, and comprise only of a single accelerant, fuse, and metal shell with pin.
Sage /thread
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.14 05:28:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
no.... no actually... his argument skills are spot on here....your the one lacking a bit my friend.
and you know theres even more reason links and hives cant be resupplied
links are to intricate for a hive to reproduce and a hive resupplying hives is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?
hives replenish armor and resupply weapons like grenades, ammo, missles, and remotes, which is made out of the same materials as the other things it resupplies...
aint logic a b*tch?
Using realism in a video game is moot compared to balance and fairness. Plus one could easily argue by your same accounts that remote explosives are made up of intricate chemicals and electronics too complicated for resupply by nanohives. The explosive material in grenades are different than those found in remotes, and comprise only of a single accelerant, fuse, and metal shell with pin.
its not realism by our standards its realism by game lore standards
and no one couldn't argue the electronics chems blah blah are more intricate because they are no more intricate than the ion charges or missles and so forth.....
lol you are terrible at this man, just give up.
youre wrong and youre making yourself look dumb.
this game makes me sad....
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
1833
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Posted - 2014.04.14 06:00:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:. You can't reply drop uplink with hives, you shouldn't resupply REs with them either. REs have taken the place of the core locus grenades in so far that they are spammed to monotony. Ccp, please look at tweaking REs
Still with these threads? I don't see anyone spamming REs like grenades. I rarely die to them, and when I do it's because I was dumb and didn't flux a null cannon before hacking or visually check for REs (yes, you can see them).
Resupplying REs is necessary for them to be a useful anti-tank tool, but mostly because the ADV and PRO REs allow for 4 and 5 to be placed respectively, yet only allow you to carry 3 at a time. Buff carrying capacity and maybe we can talk about not allowing resupply.
Nerdier than thou
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Lightning Bolt2
Binary Mercs
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Posted - 2014.04.14 06:47:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:. You can't reply drop uplink with hives, you shouldn't resupply REs with them either. REs have taken the place of the core locus grenades in so far that they are spammed to monotony. Ccp, please look at tweaking REs
RE = anti-everything (its meant to be versitile for traps)
REs would be useless if they could not restock, many situations trying to kill/ward off tanks I needed to restock many times, that would be impossible if I couldn't restock them.
Core locus nade= 7.2(or was it 9?) M splash and proto REs are 5M. you can throw grenades and accuratly kill targets at 30M.
I'm seeing cloaked scouts everywhere... they're not invis.
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.14 07:05:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Like I said before ammo is op too... and you get much more of that than 3 explosives that can be wasted very easily by an unskilled user Ammo for weapons DPS does not apply in one shot, but spread out over time. That point does not apply or even make sense to use as an argument here. If you have issues with ammo quantity, you should make a well thought out post about it in a new thread.
and I missed this gem of nonsense....
ammo dps not applied in one shot? wtf do you call a shotgun then? I know you've been one shot by one, we all have...dps spread out over time? what? the three seconds it takes to kill you with a rifle, less with an hmg?
dude what game are you playing?
this game makes me sad....
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Wasten
Sver true blood
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.14 13:27:00 -
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if the area of splash damage was smaller and it only damages marcs that are standing on the RE, and you have to stick them to tanks to be more efficient, that might work. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:08:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:. You can't reply drop uplink with hives, you shouldn't resupply REs with them either. REs have taken the place of the core locus grenades in so far that they are spammed to monotony. Ccp, please look at tweaking REs
If you remove the ability to resupply them you'll effectively remove their AV capabilities, as 3 Remote Explosives is insufficient for an AV trap.
REs are one of the few reliable ways to destroy groups of people with significantly high eHP, but are in no means overpowered simply because they appear on TACNET systems through the use of scanners, and you can even hear the REs being armed.
They can't be spammed as traps simply because using one requires that the enemy does not use Flux Grenades (which is an issue of gross incompetence) and taking out multiple people requires the person to sneak up on you, in which case I could take care of the enemies with Nova Knives or Shotguns as well.
Let's look at the counters:
- Flux Grenades
- Active Scanners
- Competence / Situational Awareness
- Arming Explosives has an audible sound.
#LivingLikeLarry
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6726
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:12:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:
All equipment is limited in number and are very potent when used properly. The natural counter is that you have to either die or get to a supply depot to refill. This is unfair to other equipment.
As for cloaks and scouts, that is a separate topic better argued in other threads.
You can't compare Remote Explosives to other pieces of equipment, as their Max. Active is never higher than their Max. Carried, and because of such have no need for re-supplying capabilities.
They also have vastly different purposes. When was the last time you saw someone trying to kill someone with a Drop Uplink?
#LivingLikeLarry
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Zimander
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:16:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:. You can't reply drop uplink with hives, you shouldn't resupply REs with them either. REs have taken the place of the core locus grenades in so far that they are spammed to monotony. Ccp, please look at tweaking REs
 RE are fine where they are now
u can resupply x2 at adv nano hive before its get destroyed and is basic RE
use your eyes before you do something look around or trow flux
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137H4RGIC
Sver true blood
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:40:00 -
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I've looked at both sides of the argument. I agree that if you can't resupply your res, you should be able to carry your max active. I don't die to REs on null cannons. I die top then being carried by scouts or other classes in cqb. Usually when I'm chasing them. I'm smart enough to listen for them being planted. I know to back off. People who can use them effectively in this manner, more power to you.
But the real issue at hand is this, I have seen people use them as primary weapons. They have had stupid amounts of kills.
Vehicle traps? Simple. Remove the remote detonator for proximity mines, allow them to carry more. But due to their click of a button you are dead stopping power, you should not let hives resupply them. I'm not asking for a damage nerf. I'm asking to make their use more tactical. Instead of allowing someone to spam them for area denial as grenades were used in this fashion. This is not a question of skill. For those who gave constructive feed back instead of looking like a moron, thank you =) people like you are those who are going to save dust, not the whiners.
Thoughts?
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137H4RGIC
Sver true blood
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:47:00 -
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I don't want to nerf it's functionality, but it's spamability; I've seen remote explosives used as a primary weapon. |
TheEnd762
Sver true blood
General Tso's Alliance
461
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:04:00 -
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They're not equipment, they're weapons that occupy the equipment slot (the only ones to do so). Just give locus nades shorter fuses, and move REs and PEs to the grenade slot. Then people will have to choose one or the other, and with a slightly shorter fuse on frags, people will go back to using them. |
137H4RGIC
Sver true blood
General Tso's Alliance
159
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:07:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:They're not equipment, they're weapons that occupy the equipment slot (the only ones to do so). Just give locus nades shorter fuses, and move REs and PEs to the grenade slot. Then people will have to choose one or the other, and with a slightly shorter fuse on frags, people will go back to using them.
I think that might be a bit restrictive. Certainly it is a weapon, but it's not a grenade. Being that it's used as a tool for various purposes, I would have to call it equipment. |
DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
634
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:10:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:I do agree with OP on this. These things are powerful, and thus should not be easily spammed. Making these act like other pieces of equipment would be a good fix as it would be a nerf, but would not make them less effective.
P.S. any post that has STFU in it is not a condusive way to discuss or counter an idea. If you believe it to be a bad idea, please feel free to bring up reasons that the idea is bad or hurtful to gameplay.
Ok:
1. Remotes are basically weapons, no different than grenades or ammo.
2. Proxies and boundless an f/45, all allow more active than carried, so if I trap doorway and walk ways and a tank blew up the depot, your telling I have to get a LAV, past all the tanks an ADS, back to base and back just for a few remotes?
3. It's the last good av, this would make tanks destroy supply depots every match and destroy the game.
4. It would make all vehicles more OP than now
5. No depots would mean no nano hives, or swarms or links .
What your asking for is a indirect buff to tanks, and a overall nerf to so many other things.
My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
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137H4RGIC
Sver true blood
General Tso's Alliance
159
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:18:00 -
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So, what you're using is a logical fallacy saying tanks will be invincible because you can't resupply your one wouldn't that solves all problems. And just because the supply depot is gone that you can't change fits? I'm sure the tank will get kills abd I'm sure that after you die you can change into an av suit. There are swarms, other tanks, forge guns, av grenades, flux grenades, and your remote explosives. Don't tell me just because you can't solo a tank, that they become OP. Remote explosives aren't weapons, they are equipment, swam launches, forge guns, and av nades are weapons |
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