DUST Search - A BPO Amnesty.

Seymor Krelborn wrote:

Chunky Munkey wrote:

CCP doesn't like BPOs. They're viewed as a threat and/or imbalancing factor to the Dust economy.

First we saw them removed from sale, then we saw some forcibly removed from player inventories.

There's a conflict between CCP's distaste for these items, and our eagerness to trade them in the upcoming player market.

I think there's an option to appease both parties:
Similar to weapon, and other contraband amnesties sometimes enacted by authorities, CCP could offer rewards to players who turn in their BPOs for destruction.
These rewards could be lump sums of aurum or isk, or they could be bundles of FW boosters or disposable equivalents of the BPOs themselves.

The details are beside the point. What is important is that with such an act, CCP would get to minimise the effects of BPOs on Dust's economy, and we players would get to cash in on all those duplicates & unuseds that have sat in our merc cupboards for months and months.

What do you think? Is this an idea that appeals to you? I really think it'd be a great way to bridge the gap between our interests, and if it gets much support, maybe it could come to fruition.

but bpo's don't effect the dust economy....want proof?

ancient exiles.... they make the most isk in dust right now with pc and they don't use bpo's
teamplayers before them...

if ccp is really concerned about the state of the economy in dust they should fix pc and leave my effing bpo's alone....

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Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1666	Posted - 2014.04.13 05:08:00 - [31] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Awry Barux wrote: They completely were not replaceable with equivalents, that's why they were removed. The following items were removed: AUR 4800 Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint AUR 4800 Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint AUR 4800 Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier AUR 4800 Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint The first is a size of plate that does not exist any more, the second and third are passive shield modules, which don't exist any more, and the last provides a small PG and shield bonus, which is another niche which doesn't exist any more. I think you're blowing this way out of proportion. I doubt anyone bought AUR specifically for those four modules which, let's face it, didn't see much use anyway, which is why CCP didn't include them in the vehicle revamp. As for BPO removal in general, I'm not worried- the really nice blueprints were all from PSN store packs, which makes it much harder for CCP to mess with them (or so I've heard). Really? A passive shield hardener couldn't have been replaced with an active? An armour plate couldn't have been replaced with that hardener? If the only items you think qualify as "equivalent" are the exact same modules then no wonder you stuggle to think of anything other than a refund. If statistically it is not the same item then they are not equivalent. One is either more or less valuable then the other. But because there is no base line price point for both items, the respective value of one over the other would be highly opinionated and based on a persons specific perspective. Which will differ from person to person. People spent an X amount of aur on certain items. Sure, once the AUR refund is done there really isn't anything equivalent to buy with that AUR, but its better then just trying to guess what would be adequate compensation, and having people angry they didn't get an AUR refund because instead of that they got a module they may or may not have any use for anyway. At least with an AUR refund people get to choose what they want to spend it on, where as swapping the old BPO"s for completely different ones would be essentially robbing the customers of 1.) their money, and 2.) their choice. Marston VC, STB Director
Rusty Shallows 1509	Posted - 2014.04.13 05:09:00 - [32] - Quote Trade Values Skill Points > Boosters > BPOs > AUR > ISK I'm a reasonable man. Let's trade CCP. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1666	Posted - 2014.04.13 05:14:00 - [33] - Quote Sourdough Muffins wrote: Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: If CCP cared about the economy they would have done something about PC corps. Pretty much this x1000 statistically only about 12% of the total money generated in game daily comes from PC. I think BPO's and the pub matches are probably a bigger concern considering almost everyone uses a BPO, where as the PC phenomenon we have right now is somewhat isolated because the money generated in it is being held by a small portion of the population meaning that it wont cause any sort of inflation. In short, PC is making some people unfairly rich, but it DOES NOT have a big effect on the future economy of the game. BPO's are negating the fear of Isk VS risk, and because most people own them the risk of these items causing long term inflation is very real. In the BPO's defense though, I made an all BPO suit and an all militia/standard equivalent and the difference between the free suit and the isk suit is never going to be more then 6-7k isk depending on what set up your using. So really, I don't think these BPO's are that big a deal at all. Of course I don't have all the statistics to look at like CCP does but meh. Will just have to see how the player market is when it happens. Marston VC, STB Director
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 699	Posted - 2014.04.13 05:18:00 - [34] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Duran Lex wrote: The value of 100 aur is 100 aur regardless of personal opinions of worth changing your perspective. And with that statement goes any legitimacy you will ever have on any discussion of economics. Out of context perhaps. But when referring to your personal opinion that, just because you "feel" that the value of the aurum was lessened by the removal of the BPO you received a refund for, doesn't mean it's fact. The value of the aurum hasn't changed because you personally[/b wouldn't spend it on something that isn't a BPO. Hence my statement. [b]Your personal opinion of its worth doesn't change its value.
Lucrezia LeGrand 465	Posted - 2014.04.13 05:21:00 - [35] - Quote it doesn't really matter what we say though. we'll just have to wait and see what happens when the player market opens up. Personally, i would destroy one of my BPO's (just one, and I get to choose which one --_--) to speed up the player market. Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man).
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 1014	Posted - 2014.04.13 05:23:00 - [36] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Marston VC wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: they will have to pry my Templar BPOs from my cold dead fingers... Yeahhhhhhh my Templar set is worth over 1.5 billion isk in EVE and 300M isk in dust. I aint given that up for nothing if they gave me 1.5bil isk in dust as compensation i would be tempted to slum it on proto suits and weapons instead No... Just no... The Templar set is priceless to me for the smexy looks alone and not even an infinite supply of proto suits would excuse the loss of my Templar set Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando III Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 157	Posted - 2014.04.13 09:46:00 - [37] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: No... Just no... The Templar set is priceless to me for the smexy looks alone and not even an infinite supply of proto suits would excuse the loss of my Templar set ^ This is probably the core sticking point. I like my BPOs for the looks, not the free ISK it brings. Now, the question you should ask yourself, would you accept an infinite supply of a Templar advanced or prototype suites (that look exactly like the BPO), but you had to pay an ISK (or material) cost to produce them?
TCP Logihoe Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.04.13 11:23:00 - [38] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: no way i'm giving up my bpo's for any reward. just because you have a few hundred or even thousands of them doesn't mean you should be rewarded and the others who didn't abuse the system punished by having their single set removed for a reward they don't want there is only one thing in dust that is going to destroy the player market and that is PC farmed isk. it generates hundreds of millions more isk than bpo's save And biomssing alts
jerrmy12 kahoalii 997	Posted - 2014.04.13 11:27:00 - [39] - Quote TCP Logihoe wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: no way i'm giving up my bpo's for any reward. just because you have a few hundred or even thousands of them doesn't mean you should be rewarded and the others who didn't abuse the system punished by having their single set removed for a reward they don't want there is only one thing in dust that is going to destroy the player market and that is PC farmed isk. it generates hundreds of millions more isk than bpo's save And biomssing alts Lol your name Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
jerrmy12 kahoalii 997	Posted - 2014.04.13 11:48:00 - [40] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: CCP doesn't like BPOs. They're viewed as a threat and/or imbalancing factor to the Dust economy. First we saw them removed from sale, then we saw some forcibly removed from player inventories. There's a conflict between CCP's distaste for these items, and our eagerness to trade them in the upcoming player market. I think there's an option to appease both parties: Similar to weapon, and other contraband amnesties sometimes enacted by authorities, CCP could offer rewards to players who turn in their BPOs for destruction. These rewards could be lump sums of aurum or isk, or they could be bundles of FW boosters or disposable equivalents of the BPOs themselves. The details are beside the point. What is important is that with such an act, CCP would get to minimise the effects of BPOs on Dust's economy, and we players would get to cash in on all those duplicates & unuseds that have sat in our merc cupboards for months and months. What do you think? Is this an idea that appeals to you? I really think it'd be a great way to bridge the gap between our interests, and if it gets much support, maybe it could come to fruition. If they remofe bpos the starter fits need to be removed Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3309	Posted - 2014.04.13 13:08:00 - [41] - Quote No BPO are fine and ruin nothing I wish CCP made a BPO set for each race like they did with the Templar set for a set price
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 199	Posted - 2014.04.13 13:44:00 - [42] - Quote NO! FK NO! They can give me a cash refund so I can leave...... The bpo's are the ONLY thing keeping me here. That and selling my 900 officer weapons. For the record, Bpo's don't ruin ANYTHING. They are milita garbage that half the people don't even use anymore. I have full templar set........garbage Skinweaves......... worse then garbage Got spoiled on proto........ :( If they ever took my sever, I would rage quit. That's my money maker. Bpo's are no different then starter gear. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1198	Posted - 2014.04.13 13:48:00 - [43] - Quote They can't refund items that we bought with real money on limited availability sales... the militia BPOs are different from e.g. exile or dren collectors items.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 157	Posted - 2014.04.13 14:03:00 - [44] - Quote I really don't get the argument comparing the impact of ISK generation in PC and BPOs. Is PC a huge problem?, sure... But why should one unrelated problem prevent the other to be fixed? Both PC and BPOs WILL affect the future market if left unchained (or at least contained), so both will need to be changed in some way. I have a lot of BPOs, and I use them quite frequently, but I REALLY don't like the current implementation. There are many ways to go about changing these to something useful (and valuable) and still comply to the rules and lore of New Eden, but this has already been discussed in multiple threads. I can say this though, if CCP would offer some trade-in program to get rid of duplicate copies of BPOs, I would happily comply. Regardless of how and if they will change, I will say with 99,9% certainty we will never be allowed to freely trade BPOs in their current form.
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 144	Posted - 2014.04.13 14:05:00 - [45] - Quote Dunno why BPOs were hated so much, they were mostly just militia versions of modules, so yeah if you wana use the worst gear in the game why not have an unimited supply, if you want to use something better you better have some ISK ready. Yeah there were some basic level dropsuits and some basic level weapons, but its not like people are running around with proto BPOs
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3903	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:06:00 - [46] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: They can't refund items that we bought with real money on limited availability sales... the militia BPOs are different from e.g. exile or dren collectors items. They can't refund them. They can offer us something in exchange. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3903	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:08:00 - [47] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: NO! FK NO! They can give me a cash refund so I can leave...... The bpo's are the ONLY thing keeping me here. That and selling my 900 officer weapons. For the record, Bpo's don't ruin ANYTHING. They are milita garbage that half the people don't even use anymore. I have full templar set........garbage Skinweaves......... worse then garbage Got spoiled on proto........ :( If they ever took my sever, I would rage quit. That's my money maker. Bpo's are no different then starter gear. Wo wo wo! Chill out man! Nobody's saying "take our BPOs". What is so objectionable to CCP offering us something for them? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3904	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:11:00 - [48] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Duran Lex wrote: The value of 100 aur is 100 aur regardless of personal opinions of worth changing your perspective. And with that statement goes any legitimacy you will ever have on any discussion of economics. Out of context perhaps. But when referring to your personal opinion that, just because you "feel" that the value of the aurum was lessened by the removal of the BPO you received a refund for, doesn't mean it's fact. The value of the aurum hasn't changed because you personally[/b wouldn't spend it on something that isn't a BPO. Hence my statement. [b]Your personal opinion of its worth doesn't change its value. That isn't out of context. You just doubled down on that context. The only value ANY currency has is the value assigned to at the point of an exchange. If this were not the case, currency would not exist at all. No.
Lucrezia LeGrand Sentinels of NEW EDEN 469	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:17:00 - [49] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: The Headless Horseman wrote: NO! FK NO! They can give me a cash refund so I can leave...... The bpo's are the ONLY thing keeping me here. That and selling my 900 officer weapons. For the record, Bpo's don't ruin ANYTHING. They are milita garbage that half the people don't even use anymore. I have full templar set........garbage Skinweaves......... worse then garbage Got spoiled on proto........ :( If they ever took my sever, I would rage quit. That's my money maker. Bpo's are no different then starter gear. Wo wo wo! Chill out man! Nobody's saying "take our BPOs". What is so objectionable to CCP offering us something for them? lol. There's nothing objectionable. But people get scared when BPO's are mentioned because 1) quite a lot of people who don't own BPO's advocate some sort of removal of BPO's 2)almost all BPO threads (not this one though) tend to put forward some idea on how to get rid of BPO's 3) We spent real money on BPO's and even though we don't use most of them, we love them dearly (being one of the few things that are permanent in Dust) 4) CCP has yet to give us a resounding, no-doubt, contract-binding, word on what will happen to BPO's in the future. So yeah, you can hardly blame us to be alarmists. Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man). My other car is Utena.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1119	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:37:00 - [50] - Quote In order to return a profit on Isk spent for my BPO(55 mill) and how much the new LAV's cost, i will have to destroy 2k+ BPO lavs to have saved any ISK. My BPO Recruit SMG is pretty much a M512 with less Clipsize, and my Recruit Medframe is just a modified mlt suit(which can hit 900hp, but that's not really useful) General John Ripper is my 2nd best friend!

Lucrezia LeGrand Sentinels of NEW EDEN 470	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:41:00 - [51] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: In order to return a profit on Isk spent for my BPO(55 mill) and how much the new LAV's cost, i will have to destroy 2k+ BPO lavs to have saved any ISK. My BPO Recruit SMG is pretty much a M512 with less Clipsize, and my Recruit Medframe is just a modified mlt suit(which can hit 900hp, but that's not really useful) ooooh! you actually have a Recruit MedFrame? Sorry for derailing, but can you please tell me what colors it has, if it looks different than other Cal Medframes, what is its slot loadout, and CPU/PG, and Shield regen at normal and depleted and by how much? Sorry, it's just I really really wanted one but no one I've ever met has one. Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man). My other car is Utena.
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1857	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:47:00 - [52] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: CCP doesn't like BPOs. They're viewed as a threat and/or imbalancing factor to the Dust economy. First we saw them removed from sale, then we saw some forcibly removed from player inventories. There's a conflict between CCP's distaste for these items, and our eagerness to trade them in the upcoming player market. I think there's an option to appease both parties: Similar to weapon, and other contraband amnesties sometimes enacted by authorities, CCP could offer rewards to players who turn in their BPOs for destruction. These rewards could be lump sums of aurum or isk, or they could be bundles of FW boosters or disposable equivalents of the BPOs themselves. The details are beside the point. What is important is that with such an act, CCP would get to minimise the effects of BPOs on Dust's economy, and we players would get to cash in on all those duplicates & unuseds that have sat in our merc cupboards for months and months. What do you think? Is this an idea that appeals to you? I really think it'd be a great way to bridge the gap between our interests, and if it gets much support, maybe it could come to fruition. but bpo's don't effect the dust economy....want proof? ancient exiles.... they make the most isk in dust right now with pc and they don't use bpo's teamplayers before them... if ccp is really concerned about the state of the economy in dust they should fix pc and leave my effing bpo's alone.... this game makes me sad....
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 91	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:54:00 - [53] - Quote polishes TOXIN SMG BPO take my toxin away from me and you will find out why she is so toxic.. Recruiter link here: https://dust514.com/recruit/FepTs1/ Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3908	Posted - 2014.04.13 19:06:00 - [54] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: CCP doesn't like BPOs. They're viewed as a threat and/or imbalancing factor to the Dust economy. First we saw them removed from sale, then we saw some forcibly removed from player inventories. There's a conflict between CCP's distaste for these items, and our eagerness to trade them in the upcoming player market. I think there's an option to appease both parties: Similar to weapon, and other contraband amnesties sometimes enacted by authorities, CCP could offer rewards to players who turn in their BPOs for destruction. These rewards could be lump sums of aurum or isk, or they could be bundles of FW boosters or disposable equivalents of the BPOs themselves. The details are beside the point. What is important is that with such an act, CCP would get to minimise the effects of BPOs on Dust's economy, and we players would get to cash in on all those duplicates & unuseds that have sat in our merc cupboards for months and months. What do you think? Is this an idea that appeals to you? I really think it'd be a great way to bridge the gap between our interests, and if it gets much support, maybe it could come to fruition. but bpo's don't effect the dust economy....want proof? ancient exiles.... they make the most isk in dust right now with pc and they don't use bpo's teamplayers before them... if ccp is really concerned about the state of the economy in dust they should fix pc and leave my effing bpo's alone.... I don't think BPOs are a threat to the economy either, but your argument is a non-sequitur. The 1% aren't the people who benefit from infinite cheap items, so their low use of them makes no difference. But that's beside the point. It doesn't matter if they're really a threat, only that CCP thinks they are. And this suggestion gives them an option to reduce their numbers. No.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 879	Posted - 2014.04.13 19:08:00 - [55] - Quote wheres the petition to get BPO sales back on the market? Its the only tool a casual player has at padding his isk wallet outside of exploiting or coma inducing american GI/kamikaze style gameplay. Nemo me impune lacessit
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 428	Posted - 2014.04.13 19:41:00 - [56] - Quote these threads need to stop. For real .There not getting rid of BPO"S. You just want your money back so you can quit the game and loose nothing .Thats all you're suggesting. Fucken go back in a hole. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3910	Posted - 2014.04.13 19:43:00 - [57] - Quote Evicer wrote: these threads need to stop. For real .There not getting rid of BPO"S. You just want your money back so you can quit the game and loose nothing .Thats all you're suggesting. Fucken go back in a hole. Did you read my OP at all? No.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1640	Posted - 2014.04.13 20:09:00 - [58] - Quote Eh no. I have several boos that i bought for real cash on the premise that they would never run out. You can't just take away or remove something that is bought for real money but they can if you bought them with arum. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3910	Posted - 2014.04.13 20:28:00 - [59] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Eh no. I have several boos that i bought for real cash on the premise that they would never run out. You can't just take away or remove something that is bought for real money but they can if you bought them with arum. Has anyone read my post? Does anyone understand what an amnesty is? Nobody's asking CCP to take away your BPOs. Seriously am I living in some bloody twilight zone where everything I say means something else? No.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1640	Posted - 2014.04.13 20:31:00 - [60] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Eh no. I have several boos that i bought for real cash on the premise that they would never run out. You can't just take away or remove something that is bought for real money but they can if you bought them with arum. Has anyone read my post? Does anyone understand what an amnesty is? Nobody's asking CCP to take away your BPOs. Seriously am I living in some bloody twilight zone where everything I say means something else? We have read your postbut giving the option to hand bpos over volinterraly would leave the door open for the complete bpo removal. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.



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