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Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3894	Posted - 2014.04.13 01:50:00 - [1] - Quote CCP doesn't like BPOs. They're viewed as a threat and/or imbalancing factor to the Dust economy. First we saw them removed from sale, then we saw some forcibly removed from player inventories. There's a conflict between CCP's distaste for these items, and our eagerness to trade them in the upcoming player market. I think there's an option to appease both parties: Similar to weapon, and other contraband amnesties sometimes enacted by authorities, CCP could offer rewards to players who turn in their BPOs for destruction. These rewards could be lump sums of aurum or isk, or they could be bundles of FW boosters or disposable equivalents of the BPOs themselves. The details are beside the point. What is important is that with such an act, CCP would get to minimise the effects of BPOs on Dust's economy, and we players would get to cash in on all those duplicates & unuseds that have sat in our merc cupboards for months and months. What do you think? Is this an idea that appeals to you? I really think it'd be a great way to bridge the gap between our interests, and if it gets much support, maybe it could come to fruition. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3895	Posted - 2014.04.13 02:05:00 - [2] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: we saw some forcibly removed from player inventories. They removed BPOs of items that they were removing from the game, specifically a few vehicle modules when the vehicle revamp came out. That's very different than "zomg CCP is taking our BPOs". Oh not one of you people. The BPOs were easily replaceable with equivalents from the new content, and some people only bought aurum in the first place to get their hands on those very BPOs. Without them their refund was worthless. It was the single biggest middle finger to their customers I've ever seen CCP give. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3896	Posted - 2014.04.13 02:10:00 - [3] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Just make them into rare collectables. if the game stays this small or keeps decreasing in numbers its a fail game anyways. If it grows then these rare collectables can actually stimulate economic growth. Their prices will increase drastically over time. Only the richest players will be able to afford them. Rich players who can afford to run proto all day. As they get bought and sold isk keeps changing hands. Large amounts of isk. If this game grows a few players with bpo's will hardly hurt the economy. But the bpo's themselves can actually be used to stimulate the economy. A BPO amnesty would increase their rarity. Make them even more sought after. It'd even give them a cool backstory: "Back in the days of yore these precious weapons were a common sight, but alas, now only a handful remain, coveted by peasants and protobears alike" No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3896	Posted - 2014.04.13 02:15:00 - [4] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: we saw some forcibly removed from player inventories. They removed BPOs of items that they were removing from the game, specifically a few vehicle modules when the vehicle revamp came out. That's very different than "zomg CCP is taking our BPOs". Oh not one of you people. The BPOs were easily replaceable with equivalents from the new content, and some people only bought aurum in the first place to get their hands on those very BPOs. Without them their refund was worthless. It was the single biggest middle finger to their customers I've ever seen CCP give. There wasn't anything equivalent, that was the whole point of the removal. Not to mention they refunded the AUR spent to make said purchase, with some receiving more aur then they spent. If that's an issue for you, then your entire idea of giving back BPOs for AUR makes little sense. I already addressed the refund issue. What value is aurum if the items you purchased it for no longer exist. My idea makes sense because this one is optional. Nobody's taking these BPOs. We get to decide which option is most appealing. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3899	Posted - 2014.04.13 03:38:00 - [5] - Quote General12912 wrote: no. just leave them alone. and CCP, DONT TOUCH THEM! givng the option, or even suggesting the option, could result in CCP taking them from us altogether. an that could end up killing their game. a majority of Dust 514's playerbase has BPO's. getting rid of them could result in community backlash and veterans quitting (and veterans are a majority of the playerbase). What's wrong with having CCP offer you something for them? And how could such an offer result in CCP taking them altogether? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3899	Posted - 2014.04.13 03:45:00 - [6] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: The value of 100 aur is 100 aur regardless of personal opinions of worth changing your perspective. And with that statement goes any legitimacy you will ever have on any discussion of economics. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3899	Posted - 2014.04.13 03:52:00 - [7] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: They completely were not replaceable with equivalents, that's why they were removed. The following items were removed: AUR 4800 Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint AUR 4800 Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint AUR 4800 Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier AUR 4800 Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint The first is a size of plate that does not exist any more, the second and third are passive shield modules, which don't exist any more, and the last provides a small PG and shield bonus, which is another niche which doesn't exist any more. I think you're blowing this way out of proportion. I doubt anyone bought AUR specifically for those four modules which, let's face it, didn't see much use anyway, which is why CCP didn't include them in the vehicle revamp. As for BPO removal in general, I'm not worried- the really nice blueprints were all from PSN store packs, which makes it much harder for CCP to mess with them (or so I've heard). Really? A passive shield hardener couldn't have been replaced with an active? An armour plate couldn't have been replaced with that hardener? If the only items you think qualify as "equivalent" are the exact same modules then no wonder you stuggle to think of anything other than a refund. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3903	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:06:00 - [8] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: They can't refund items that we bought with real money on limited availability sales... the militia BPOs are different from e.g. exile or dren collectors items. They can't refund them. They can offer us something in exchange. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3903	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:08:00 - [9] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: NO! FK NO! They can give me a cash refund so I can leave...... The bpo's are the ONLY thing keeping me here. That and selling my 900 officer weapons. For the record, Bpo's don't ruin ANYTHING. They are milita garbage that half the people don't even use anymore. I have full templar set........garbage Skinweaves......... worse then garbage Got spoiled on proto........ :( If they ever took my sever, I would rage quit. That's my money maker. Bpo's are no different then starter gear. Wo wo wo! Chill out man! Nobody's saying "take our BPOs". What is so objectionable to CCP offering us something for them? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3904	Posted - 2014.04.13 15:11:00 - [10] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Duran Lex wrote: The value of 100 aur is 100 aur regardless of personal opinions of worth changing your perspective. And with that statement goes any legitimacy you will ever have on any discussion of economics. Out of context perhaps. But when referring to your personal opinion that, just because you "feel" that the value of the aurum was lessened by the removal of the BPO you received a refund for, doesn't mean it's fact. The value of the aurum hasn't changed because you personally[/b wouldn't spend it on something that isn't a BPO. Hence my statement. [b]Your personal opinion of its worth doesn't change its value. That isn't out of context. You just doubled down on that context. The only value ANY currency has is the value assigned to at the point of an exchange. If this were not the case, currency would not exist at all. No.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3908	Posted - 2014.04.13 19:06:00 - [11] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: CCP doesn't like BPOs. They're viewed as a threat and/or imbalancing factor to the Dust economy. First we saw them removed from sale, then we saw some forcibly removed from player inventories. There's a conflict between CCP's distaste for these items, and our eagerness to trade them in the upcoming player market. I think there's an option to appease both parties: Similar to weapon, and other contraband amnesties sometimes enacted by authorities, CCP could offer rewards to players who turn in their BPOs for destruction. These rewards could be lump sums of aurum or isk, or they could be bundles of FW boosters or disposable equivalents of the BPOs themselves. The details are beside the point. What is important is that with such an act, CCP would get to minimise the effects of BPOs on Dust's economy, and we players would get to cash in on all those duplicates & unuseds that have sat in our merc cupboards for months and months. What do you think? Is this an idea that appeals to you? I really think it'd be a great way to bridge the gap between our interests, and if it gets much support, maybe it could come to fruition. but bpo's don't effect the dust economy....want proof? ancient exiles.... they make the most isk in dust right now with pc and they don't use bpo's teamplayers before them... if ccp is really concerned about the state of the economy in dust they should fix pc and leave my effing bpo's alone.... I don't think BPOs are a threat to the economy either, but your argument is a non-sequitur. The 1% aren't the people who benefit from infinite cheap items, so their low use of them makes no difference. But that's beside the point. It doesn't matter if they're really a threat, only that CCP thinks they are. And this suggestion gives them an option to reduce their numbers. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3910	Posted - 2014.04.13 19:43:00 - [12] - Quote Evicer wrote: these threads need to stop. For real .There not getting rid of BPO"S. You just want your money back so you can quit the game and loose nothing .Thats all you're suggesting. Fucken go back in a hole. Did you read my OP at all? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3910	Posted - 2014.04.13 20:28:00 - [13] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Eh no. I have several boos that i bought for real cash on the premise that they would never run out. You can't just take away or remove something that is bought for real money but they can if you bought them with arum. Has anyone read my post? Does anyone understand what an amnesty is? Nobody's asking CCP to take away your BPOs. Seriously am I living in some bloody twilight zone where everything I say means something else? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3918	Posted - 2014.04.13 21:19:00 - [14] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Eh no. I have several boos that i bought for real cash on the premise that they would never run out. You can't just take away or remove something that is bought for real money but they can if you bought them with arum. Has anyone read my post? Does anyone understand what an amnesty is? Nobody's asking CCP to take away your BPOs. Seriously am I living in some bloody twilight zone where everything I say means something else? We have read your postbut giving the option to hand bpos over volinterraly would leave the door open for the complete bpo removal. How the hell would it do that? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3918	Posted - 2014.04.13 23:59:00 - [15] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Eh no. I have several boos that i bought for real cash on the premise that they would never run out. You can't just take away or remove something that is bought for real money but they can if you bought them with arum. Has anyone read my post? Does anyone understand what an amnesty is? Nobody's asking CCP to take away your BPOs. Seriously am I living in some bloody twilight zone where everything I say means something else? Tell me what they could possibly give me to replace the Templar set... I would be ok with getting a permanent but limited uses per day item but the complete removal my Templar BPOs is UNACCEPTABLE Then decline if they offer you a trade. Sheesh. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3921	Posted - 2014.04.14 01:48:00 - [16] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: CCP doesn't like BPOs. They're viewed as a threat and/or imbalancing factor to the Dust economy. First we saw them removed from sale, then we saw some forcibly removed from player inventories. There's a conflict between CCP's distaste for these items, and our eagerness to trade them in the upcoming player market. I think there's an option to appease both parties: Similar to weapon, and other contraband amnesties sometimes enacted by authorities, CCP could offer rewards to players who turn in their BPOs for destruction. These rewards could be lump sums of aurum or isk, or they could be bundles of FW boosters or disposable equivalents of the BPOs themselves. The details are beside the point. What is important is that with such an act, CCP would get to minimise the effects of BPOs on Dust's economy, and we players would get to cash in on all those duplicates & unuseds that have sat in our merc cupboards for months and months. What do you think? Is this an idea that appeals to you? I really think it'd be a great way to bridge the gap between our interests, and if it gets much support, maybe it could come to fruition. Just don't let players with BPOs trade them or sell them once the open market begins. Munch That's exactly the kind of thing I want to avoid. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3921	Posted - 2014.04.14 02:11:00 - [17] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: but bpo's don't effect the dust economy....want proof? ancient exiles.... they make the most isk in dust right now with pc and they don't use bpo's teamplayers before them... if ccp is really concerned about the state of the economy in dust they should fix pc and leave my effing bpo's alone.... I don't think BPOs are a threat to the economy either, but your argument is a non-sequitur. The 1% aren't the people who benefit from infinite cheap items, so their low use of them makes no difference. But that's beside the point. It doesn't matter if they're really a threat, only that CCP thinks they are. And this suggestion gives them an option to reduce their numbers. ccp thinks a lot of things that are wrong and they don't have a good track record of doing the right thing by this game. giving them options to reduce something that has no real effect on the game draws their attention away from the real problems. pc is a real problem and holds this game back or any meaningful connection to eve.... give them some options on fixing that instead of non issues... But CCP's approach to BPOs IS an issue. Their removal from player inventories proves that. Look at all the people wanting to trade them on the forums already. What if trading them is restricted when the player market deploys? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3921	Posted - 2014.04.14 02:24:00 - [18] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: but bpo's don't effect the dust economy....want proof? ancient exiles.... they make the most isk in dust right now with pc and they don't use bpo's teamplayers before them... if ccp is really concerned about the state of the economy in dust they should fix pc and leave my effing bpo's alone.... I don't think BPOs are a threat to the economy either, but your argument is a non-sequitur. The 1% aren't the people who benefit from infinite cheap items, so their low use of them makes no difference. But that's beside the point. It doesn't matter if they're really a threat, only that CCP thinks they are. And this suggestion gives them an option to reduce their numbers. ccp thinks a lot of things that are wrong and they don't have a good track record of doing the right thing by this game. giving them options to reduce something that has no real effect on the game draws their attention away from the real problems. pc is a real problem and holds this game back or any meaningful connection to eve.... give them some options on fixing that instead of non issues... But CCP's approach to BPOs IS an issue. Their removal from player inventories proves that. Look at all the people wanting to trade them on the forums already. What if trading them is restricted when the player market deploys? then you demand they cut that crap out instead of offering ways for them to disenfranchise us more.... and another thing, think about this, if ccp is so afraid of bpo's why were they still giving them out with the CE and recruit rewards AFTER they removed four of them? I think youre simply misinformed. ccp has just had so many personel changes with this game they don't know what side is up anymore nor where to take this game next and all youre doing is confusing them. How is this confusing CCP, how am I misinformed, and how would offering players something disenfranchise them? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3921	Posted - 2014.04.14 03:59:00 - [19] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: But CCP's approach to BPOs IS an issue. Their removal from player inventories proves that. Look at all the people wanting to trade them on the forums already. What if trading them is restricted when the player market deploys? How is this confusing CCP, how am I misinformed, and how would offering players something disenfranchise them? your confusing them because this is a non issue yet you speak of it like ccp should be concerned about bpo's I think youre misinformed because I don't recal ccp saying anything about them being a "threat" on that they are not working as intended... they were removed from the market so problem solved.. and you never answered my question on this note...if ccp is so afraid of bpo's why were they still giving them out with the CE and recruit rewards AFTER they removed four of them? lastly anything other than having our bpo's untouched and free to trade as was intended when ccp sold them to us disenfranchises us.[/quote] I've never spoken like CCP should be concerned. I've said the opposite several times. All I have done is acknowledge that CCP are concerned. Be that rational or not. An economic item not working as intended = threat to the economy. It doesn't have to be a major threat. It doesn't have to compete with the threat of PC or EVE isk. Your question is a little redundant given that BPOs were removed from the market in the first place. The fact that a few still remain available is moot. You didn't answer my question. How does offering players something disenfranchise them? Your supposed answer was filled with caveats. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3921	Posted - 2014.04.14 04:00:00 - [20] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Duran Lex wrote: The value of 100 aur is 100 aur regardless of personal opinions of worth changing your perspective. And with that statement goes any legitimacy you will ever have on any discussion of economics. Out of context perhaps. But when referring to your personal opinion that, just because you "feel" that the value of the aurum was lessened by the removal of the BPO you received a refund for, doesn't mean it's fact. The value of the aurum hasn't changed because you personally[/b wouldn't spend it on something that isn't a BPO. Hence my statement. [b]Your personal opinion of its worth doesn't change its value. That isn't out of context. You just doubled down on that context. The only value ANY currency has is the value assigned to at the point of an exchange. If this were not the case, currency would not exist at all. Correct. And as I've stated for the 3rd time now, your personal opinions haven't changed the value of aur nor will they ever change its value. I would say I'm surprised you aren't comprehending this, but after continuing to read your responses in this thread.... Wow. Just wow. No.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3928	Posted - 2014.04.14 14:25:00 - [21] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: chunky munkey wrote: I've never spoken like CCP should be concerned. I've said the opposite several times. All I have done is acknowledge that CCP are concerned. Be that rational or not. An economic item not working as intended = threat to the economy. It doesn't have to be a major threat. It doesn't have to compete with the threat of PC or EVE isk. Your question is a little redundant given that BPOs were removed from the market in the first place. The fact that a few still remain available is moot. You didn't answer my question. How does offering players something disenfranchise them? Your supposed answer was filled with caveats. im sorry chunky, but your replies are disjointed and your conclusions are alarmingly dim witted I m afraid I must end this relationship.... Right. I'm sure it has nothing to do with me relpying succinctly to each of your arguments. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3930	Posted - 2014.04.14 21:01:00 - [22] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: I have said much of this in the past and agree with every word.... chunk doesn't seem to understand this, so I'm awaiting his lol reply to your sound logic. Nothing said there contradicted anything I've said. Sounds more like you're hanging around here on butthurt. No.