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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8293	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:23:00 - [1] - Quote I believe the Large blaster is the source of much AV vs Vehicles imbalance. It's a giant gun that insta blaps infantry, who in comparison can relatively only do bug bites. Using missiles or even rails while fighting infantry, and I feel that while I am powerful, I am not overly so. When I'm using either of those, I feel like AV is actually a threat. So, here are my proposed changes to the large blaster: Reduce Large Blaster ROF by 50% <--- Harder to hit infantry Increase damage by 100% <--- Keep the DPS against vehicles the same Reduce efficiency against infantry to 35% <--- You will see why below Old damage: 136.5 New Damage: 273 <--- That is why New Damage against infantry: 95.55 Old ROF: 428.5 New ROF: 214.2 <--- BF 2142, I miss you :( Old DPS: 974.8 New DPS: 974.61 New DPS against infantry: 341.1 My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3304	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:25:00 - [2] - Quote Or this Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8293	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:27:00 - [3] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Or this Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview Any one of those would require much work on CCP's part. You know CCP. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3304	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:28:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Or this Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview Any one of those would require much work on CCP's part. You know CCP. Its the only way Its already done in EVE
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5619	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:28:00 - [5] - Quote I believe damage should be the same when its a larger weapon firing upon a lower armored object. For me at least, I can only hit infantry because of the RoF. Unless they are standing still a large majority of my shots miss because the aiming is either too precise or just off on the Large Blaster. IF you were to do anything Reduce the RoF first then go onto your reduced damage against infantry. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5620	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:35:00 - [6] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Or this Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview Any one of those would require much work on CCP's part. You know CCP. Its the only way Its already done in EVE CCP thinks DUST players are too stupid to comprehend all that. I'd honestly believe that if were to be true, have you spoken with some of this community in-game, not just the forum warriors but the "commoners". shudders *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8294	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:36:00 - [7] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I believe damage should be the same when its a larger weapon firing upon a lower armored object. For me at least, I can only hit infantry because of the RoF. Unless they are standing still a large majority of my shots miss because the aiming is either too precise or just off on the Large Blaster. IF you were to do anything Reduce the RoF first then go onto your reduced damage against infantry. Kirk. Can you imagine 273 damage per shot? Some suits don't even have that much HP. http://www.webmetronome.com/ Put the BPM at 214 and you will see the fire rate. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3614	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:40:00 - [8] - Quote Can I get that Blaster Turret in the form of a Heavy Plasma Rifle? Oooh, the Burst variant.... I GÖú Kittens.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1995	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:40:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Or this Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview Any one of those would require much work on CCP's part. You know CCP. Yeah, they listen to people like you, instead of listening to people that actually use vehicles. I thought you were biomassing your character and leaving. Why are you still here? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2476	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:42:00 - [10] - Quote give it a cone of fire like the hmg. Instantly harder to hit infantry, especially at range If you run cloak and shotgun, you're a scrub Don't brick tank that scout, come on, get good. Proud member of RND

BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 779	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:45:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I believe the Large blaster is the source of much AV vs Vehicles imbalance. It's a giant gun that insta blaps infantry, who in comparison can relatively only do bug bites. Using missiles or even rails while fighting infantry, and I feel that while I am powerful, I am not overly so. When I'm using either of those, I feel like AV is actually a threat. So, here are my proposed changes to the large blaster: Reduce Large Blaster ROF by 50% <--- Harder to hit infantry Increase damage by 100% <--- Keep the DPS against vehicles the same Reduce efficiency against infantry to 35% <--- You will see why below Old damage: 136.5 New Damage: 273 <--- That is why New Damage against infantry: 95.55 Old ROF: 428.5 New ROF: 214.2 <--- BF 2142, I miss you :( Old DPS: 974.8 New DPS: 974.61 New DPS against infantry: 341.1 that's been done. dint make them OP just made them easy to safe ammo. Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3306	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:45:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Or this Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview Any one of those would require much work on CCP's part. You know CCP. Its the only way Its already done in EVE CCP thinks DUST players are too stupid to comprehend all that. I'd honestly believe that if were to be true, have you spoken with some of this community in-game, not just the forum warriors but the "commoners". shudders Forget the commoners but frankly they are correct, the vast majority of DUST players are quite stupid Nothing of importance was lost if we implement it
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 779	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:46:00 - [13] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: give it a cone of fire like the hmg. Instantly harder to hit infantry, especially at range had that they dint work at all unless point blank range. Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8296	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:47:00 - [14] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Or this Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview Any one of those would require much work on CCP's part. You know CCP. Yeah, they listen to people like you, instead of listening to people that actually use vehicles. I thought you were biomassing your character and leaving. Why are you still here? Spkr, even Taka is infinitely more reasonable than you. Also, either you don't read my replies, or you're a complete idiot, because I explained a thousand times that I never, EVER talked about biomassing, and didn't say anything about leaving forever. It's called a break. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 779	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:51:00 - [15] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Or this Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview Any one of those would require much work on CCP's part. You know CCP. Its the only way Its already done in EVE CCP thinks DUST players are too stupid to comprehend all that. I'd honestly believe that if were to be true, have you spoken with some of this community in-game, not just the forum warriors but the "commoners". shudders Forget the commoners but frankly they are correct, the vast majority of DUST players are quite stupid Nothing of importance was lost if we implement it How bout we just add the pilot suits in and if you dont have a pilot suit on when you jump into you tank to drive it you only get 50 of everything your tank gets. like only 50% fire rate / hp / dmg so on ... and if you have a the drop suit you get the full 100% of your tank. this way you need to SKILL INTO THE TANKS not just run off buy mlt and that's that. Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3306	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:02:00 - [16] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: How bout we just add the pilot suits in and if you dont have a pilot suit on when you jump into you tank to drive it you only get 50 of everything your tank gets. like only 50% fire rate / hp / dmg so on ... and if you have a the drop suit you get the full 100% of your tank. this way you need to SKILL INTO THE TANKS not just run off buy mlt and that's that. But you need a reason to skill into a proto pilot suit too because of basic made up 50% then why use proto? If it happened wouldnt bother me
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 722	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:05:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I believe the Large blaster is the source of much AV vs Vehicles imbalance. It's a giant gun that insta blaps infantry, who in comparison can relatively only do bug bites. Using missiles or even rails while fighting infantry, and I feel that while I am powerful, I am not overly so. When I'm using either of those, I feel like AV is actually a threat. So, here are my proposed changes to the large blaster: Reduce Large Blaster ROF by 50% <--- Harder to hit infantry Increase damage by 100% <--- Keep the DPS against vehicles the same Reduce efficiency against infantry to 35% <--- You will see why below Old damage: 136.5 New Damage: 273 <--- That is why New Damage against infantry: 95.55 Old ROF: 428.5 New ROF: 214.2 <--- BF 2142, I miss you :( Old DPS: 974.8 New DPS: 974.61 New DPS against infantry: 341.1 BIG HELL NO Its will become the best AV gun when its designed to kill infantry Edit : sorry diden't look at the calculations properly +1 why not "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8297	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:05:00 - [18] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: How bout we just add the pilot suits in and if you dont have a pilot suit on when you jump into you tank to drive it you only get 50 of everything your tank gets. like only 50% fire rate / hp / dmg so on ... and if you have a the drop suit you get the full 100% of your tank. this way you need to SKILL INTO THE TANKS not just run off buy mlt and that's that. But you need a reason to skill into a proto pilot suit too because of basic made up 50% then why use proto? If it happened wouldnt bother me Really? That just pushes the gap between newberries and veterans too much. Unless basic suits gave 80%, advanced 90% and proto pushed it to 100%, it would be too much. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3308	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:19:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: How bout we just add the pilot suits in and if you dont have a pilot suit on when you jump into you tank to drive it you only get 50 of everything your tank gets. like only 50% fire rate / hp / dmg so on ... and if you have a the drop suit you get the full 100% of your tank. this way you need to SKILL INTO THE TANKS not just run off buy mlt and that's that. But you need a reason to skill into a proto pilot suit too because of basic made up 50% then why use proto? If it happened wouldnt bother me Really? That just pushes the gap between newberries and veterans too much. Unless basic suits gave 80%, advanced 90% and proto pushed it to 100%, it would be too much. The gap is already damn small Even my skills mean very little tbh when half the time basic mods are as good as proto and even the skills i do have offer nothing Vehicles need a complete overhaul since we have less skills/mods/vehicles/variety and playstyles
Vitoka79 from SVK Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:20:00 - [20] - Quote I like the idea of decreasing the ROF and increasing the damage per shot.And maybe decreasing the accuracy of the large blaster. What i dont like is the reduced efficiency of the same round aggainst infantry.Its just unreal.Why should the same round do different damage aggainst infantry and vehicles?Just to make the life of the infantry guy easier?Its a tank with a huge powerful cannon that does a lot of damage.We got to deal with that. I don't need a pilot suit.I made my own without skill bonuses :( Crashing dropships since september 2012...



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