So what are the cov ops cloaks?

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You're describing cloaks as they work on ships not bonused for cloaking. That is not at all the same thing as a cloak on, say, a Stealth Bomber. Deliberately misleading comparison... bad post, -1.

Oh, so ANY ship can use a cloak in EVE?

So what are the cov ops cloaks?

Godin, shouldn't you be crying about how incredibly balanced your god mode tanks are? Or how OP jihad jeeps (the only viable AV) is?

Limited (I mean seriously, only able to fit) to a few ships.

+Warped while cloaked
+movement speed unhindered
+invisibility

-30 second reactivation delay
-10 seconds targeting delay
-decloaked within 2500 m of all objects

Oh and yes, you can fit a cloak on just about every ship in the New Eden. (aside from a few frigates I think)

Still misleading. Reactivation delay is as low as 5 seconds for CovOps recon ships like the Buzzard or 15 seconds for a stealth bomber, and stealth bombers have NO targeting delay. Even cloaky T3s have only a 5s targeting delay. Also, in EVE, 2500m is pretty much spitting distance.

Yeah you just listed the regular cloak. The covert ops cloak on a stealth bomber has no movement penalty and the "show up in local" thing what ya want to expect? The game tells you how many enemys are on the opposite site which is basically "local". Another thing is it doesnt has a targeting delay. The dust cloak got inspired by the covert ops cloak but for balancing reasons it wont last forever and you get a shimmer when moving.

Oh hey I thought we were talking about modules? Who is being misleading? Oh right you were talking about a cloaking skill that reduces the targeting delay by -10% per level weren't you?

Oh and now you are talking about ships bonuses themselves, rather than modules, once again you are trying to lie through your teeth. Obvious we have a crutch user here.

When it comes down to it, In eve, you have a targeting delay, a speed penalty, and sensor penalty, and a recloaking penalty on most cloaks. Certain ships reduce these penalties in order to fulfill a role because they die the instant they are targeted (i.e. stealth bombers, covert ops frigates).

Oh also in eve, the second a ship uncloaks, it is visible on your "tacnet"

Why wouldn't I talk about ship bonuses? Cloaks are all but impossible to fit reasonably on anything other than scouts, a class whose major skill bonus is a cloak fitting reduction.

As for cloaking bonused ships dying the instant they're targeted, what about force recon cruisers and black ops battleships, or a cloaky brawler proteus? Also, black ops battleships, once skilled appropriately, can move faster while cloaked than while not cloaked.

As for the cloaking skill for targeting delay reduction, I just started playing EVE less than a month ago- I wasn't aware that it was a skill that reduced the delay to 5s, I just read people discussing it on forums and I assumed it was an effect of the cloaky subsystem. My mistake. I'm not "lying through my teeth". However, I would argue that you have to discuss the modules with skill effects in play, because that's how they work in actual gameplay. There are no skill-based cloak bonuses in Dust.

You seem, well, rather butthurt and vitriolic over Dust cloaks... the fact that they never make you truly invisible really makes them not all that powerful. It's simply not hard to see and shoot a cloaked scout if they're in front of you, and if they're behind you you wouldn't have seen them without a cloak.

The cloak we have is a generalized cloak, so is the regular cloak in eve. Our cloak fits on everything, eve's cloak fits on everything.

Ok, so the instant you decloak in eve, you show up to everyone on-grid. Everyone.

Eve cloak has tons of drawbacks.

Dust cloak has not one drawback, not one.

This is a fact.

You are a Confirmed cloaky FotM chaser.

So, claoks aren't hard to see... well then why do we even need them in-game? Might as well just fit a dampner, they take less fitting and do pretty much the same thing right? So that is point 1 that you are full of crap on.

Point two, cloaks in eve all have major penalties attached to them. Stealth bombers pretty much insta-pop, black ops BS cost 5 times more than a normal BS and will loose to a normal BS every time, force recons are incredibly weak compared to combat recons, covops frigs are purely for scanning. Claosk in eve have penalties, dust cloaks have no penalties, this is 100% true.

Not one drawback in Dust? I call bull spit.

In Dust:
Even for someone who didn't spec into Caldari Scouts, if they see your shimmer, you're as good as dead. I have done this plenty of times in my Amarr scout and I was able to spot a few cloakies moving from as far as 100 meters. Unless you fully specced into the scout suit (and by fully I mean "level V" of the racial suit), the cloak will not fit well on the scout. I currently cross training back to the Minmatar scout and I'm at level 3 for that suit but even then the STD cloak takes up too much space. Caldari scouts can still see your chevron above your head if their passive scan picks you up even if your cloak is currently activated. I know because I have seen my brother spec into the Caldari scout and he was able to simply pin point invisible scouts standing still through a wall without even having to look at them. You also need 50% of the cloak reserves in order to activate it.

PS: You're the one that's lying about cloaks in Dust not having any drawbacks. They do have drawbacks and I just outlined them for you and the mechanics are there as proof for everyone to see. You denying that they have drawbacks is like Ken Ham denying to Bill Nye that the Earth is 4.4 billion years old.

Eve:
+runs forever
+perfect invisibility

-still show up in local
-90% slower
-50% scan resolution
-30s to reactivate when broken
-auto decloak within 2500 m of anything
-30s targeting delay after cloak (i.e. no weapons usage)

Dust:
+free complex profile dampner
+near invisibilty when not moving
+retain full speed
+firing weapons while decloaking
+great visual obsurity depending upon speed/map

-hard to fit on non-scout suits
-doesn't last forever


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