DUST Search - Why you think scouts and cloaks are OP vs why they actually ARE.

Onesimus Tarsus wrote:

Dexter307 wrote:

Onesimus Tarsus wrote:

Dexter307 wrote:

Onesimus Tarsus wrote:

Broken roles, yes. Cloaking is a cheater bar answer in search of some great unfairness question that doesn't exist. Many people have already stated that their general scouty awesomeness was already carrying them without cloaks. Then no one should mind at all if cloaks are removed.

You can say that about anything
"I could already use item x so it dosent need a buff"
Its said about anything that ever gets a buff in any video game ever.
If the cloak is changed the only thing that should be changed is a short delay after switch from cloak to a weapon before you can shoot (.5s to 1s)

Why not 3 seconds? Why not 10?

Why not make shield extenders give you 200 hp?
Why not make armor plates speed you up?
Because that would damage the whole point of the what its supposed to do.
It should let you sneak up on people and shoot them in the back, a short delay would simply stop you from decloaking in front of someone. To long of a delay and it has no use.

Three seconds isn't that long. Reloads take about that long.

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Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1378	Posted - 2014.04.11 19:52:00 - [31] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: I think the biggest issue with 1.8 is that passive scanning is only a viable option for scouts. Accually it works well on logis now with the buff they got
Duke Noobiam Nyain Chan 54	Posted - 2014.04.11 19:53:00 - [32] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: I think the biggest issue with 1.8 is that passive scanning is only a viable option for scouts. Accually it works well on logis now with the buff they got I was referring to passive scanning. Not using scanners. How do you kill that which has no life?
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1887	Posted - 2014.04.11 19:54:00 - [33] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Broken roles, yes. Cloaking is a cheater bar answer in search of some great unfairness question that doesn't exist. Many people have already stated that their general scouty awesomeness was already carrying them without cloaks. Then no one should mind at all if cloaks are removed. You can say that about anything "I could already use item x so it dosent need a buff" Its said about anything that ever gets a buff in any video game ever. If the cloak is changed the only thing that should be changed is a short delay after switch from cloak to a weapon before you can shoot (.5s to 1s) Why not 3 seconds? Why not 10? Why not make shield extenders give you 200 hp? Why not make armor plates speed you up? Because that would damage the whole point of the what its supposed to do. It should let you sneak up on people and shoot them in the back, a short delay would simply stop you from decloaking in front of someone. To long of a delay and it has no use. Three seconds isn't that long. Reloads take about that long. 1.8 (!) forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. 703rd for life! (or at least, for now).
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1378	Posted - 2014.04.11 19:55:00 - [34] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: I think the biggest issue with 1.8 is that passive scanning is only a viable option for scouts. Accually it works well on logis now with the buff they got I was referring to passive scanning. Not using scanners. I was talking about passive scans Logis got a passive scan buff
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 166	Posted - 2014.04.11 19:56:00 - [35] - Quote The weapon switch + cloak + shotgun arenGÇÖt the problem. ItGÇÖs just that there are more of them now, H3LL, Lightning xVx was going 35/1 a match before 1.8 with A SHOTGUN AND A SCOUT FRAME. A lot of the "elite" corps that routinely run proto have been getting killed a lot more by suicide scouts and its funny, they control districts and have more money than they know what to do with, and routinely run q-synced squads in public matches of full proto and bring out proto tanks in ambush all to pad their KDR. Now, because they are dying more often, not because they didn't die to scout shotguns before 1.8, but because there are more of them now and they are dying more and wrecking their KDR. Every other post is a QQ from a proto stomper, I don't even really like the cloak, but if this is what the forums are going to be from now on, let me belly up to the bar and drink those delicious delicious QQ tears. Ohhh, tastes like irony
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1378	Posted - 2014.04.11 20:00:00 - [36] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Broken roles, yes. Cloaking is a cheater bar answer in search of some great unfairness question that doesn't exist. Many people have already stated that their general scouty awesomeness was already carrying them without cloaks. Then no one should mind at all if cloaks are removed. You can say that about anything "I could already use item x so it dosent need a buff" Its said about anything that ever gets a buff in any video game ever. If the cloak is changed the only thing that should be changed is a short delay after switch from cloak to a weapon before you can shoot (.5s to 1s) Why not 3 seconds? Why not 10? Why not make shield extenders give you 200 hp? Why not make armor plates speed you up? Because that would damage the whole point of the what its supposed to do. It should let you sneak up on people and shoot them in the back, a short delay would simply stop you from decloaking in front of someone. To long of a delay and it has no use. Three seconds isn't that long. Reloads take about that long. Having to reload before shooting any enemy would get anyone killed .5s-1s would be the best time to use. Average reaction time is .2 seconds so you would have .3-.8 seconds to shoot the scout before he can shoot you which is more than enough time to kill him. Even with a shotgun that takes 2 shots to kill for the most part thats almost 1.5 seconds consudering there is a .7s delay between each shot so its 1.5 seconds to kill the scout which is more than enough time considering their low EHP. If the scout decloaks behind you however he should have the advantage still.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 122	Posted - 2014.04.11 20:12:00 - [37] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: I think the biggest issue with 1.8 is that passive scanning is only a viable option for scouts. Accually it works well on logis now with the buff they got I was referring to passive scanning. Not using scanners. I was talking about passive scans Logis got a passive scan buff Reference source, please. And personally idgaf about cloaks, scouts or cloaked scouts. You kill me it's my fault for not killing you first. Or having someone else kill you first (b/c I mostly logi). Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Tectonic Fusion 1447	Posted - 2014.04.11 20:16:00 - [38] - Quote Aszazel wrote: The only thing that has changed from 1.7 to 1.8 is that I used to feel that I was going to get shot in the back while hacking and was surprised when I did. Now I KNOW I am going to get shot in the back while hacking and am surprised when I am NOT. Tip: let the blueberry hack and watch from 4 feet away with a cloak, then take out the shimmer as they move towards your friend. If I know a cloaker is near, I watch a blueberry to see if the cloaker gets him, then I kill the cloaker if he shows. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1378	Posted - 2014.04.11 20:40:00 - [39] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: I think the biggest issue with 1.8 is that passive scanning is only a viable option for scouts. Accually it works well on logis now with the buff they got I was referring to passive scanning. Not using scanners. I was talking about passive scans Logis got a passive scan buff Reference source, please. And personally idgaf about cloaks, scouts or cloaked scouts. You kill me it's my fault for not killing you first. Or having someone else kill you first (b/c I mostly logi). Scan precision buffed to 45 Scan radius buffed to 15m
Deltahawk Durango Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 195	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:15:00 - [40] - Quote Personally, i love the cloaks and how it adds a whole new dimension to the game... and this is coming from a Cal commando with 2 long range weapons... i'm a shotty scout's best friend... the only thing OP about the cloaked scouts is perhaps the suit bonus... 75% should be 50% but i'm not really complaining cuz in 1.7, i was owning scouts so it's nice to see them a get a buff I don't believe in an eye for an eye... I believe in two eyes for an eye!

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 122	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:56:00 - [41] - Quote [/quote] I was talking about passive scans Logis got a passive scan buff[/quote] Reference source, please. And personally idgaf about cloaks, scouts or cloaked scouts. You kill me it's my fault for not killing you first. Or having someone else kill you first (b/c I mostly logi). [/quote] Scan precision buffed to 45 Scan radius buffed to 15m[/quote] I...will check some #'s when I get home. Thank You edit- I f'd up the quote delete thing, you know who this is for/about. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2483	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:03:00 - [42] - Quote So the answer is: You have been here long enough to get 25mil SP, therefore you die? or is it? You cannot play lone wolf at all because, it has been declared only scouts may do so, therefore you die? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.


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