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Aszazel
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:29:00 -
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Scouts and cloaks aren't OP, SP is. Shield extenders go from 22/33/66, why no 22/44/66, it costs as much to go from 1 to 4 shield extenders as 4 to 5.
A level 1 scout cannot afford to even equip a cloak due to the ONLY 15% cost off the cpu/pg. Add in a level 1 dampening, precision, and range and you are an easy kill to a cal scout (which are everywhere). Unless you have about 14 mil in core skills and ONE suit you aren't going to live love enough to be a threat to anyone as a scout. Say you want to speed tank instead, level 5 botics + level 5 kin kats are around 3 mil SP.
The reason you are getting killed is because; people who have been playing this game for 8+ months with the tactics and SP to go proto and stomp just like any medium armor squad could do. In fact, most proto stomp groups aren't even affected by cloaked scouts, because they run in a group of 4 guys with a Gal Logi with a scanner and light em up like fireworks. <---- I don't engage when I see this.
Stop blaming the cloak; you are the one presenting a target of opportunity. I guarantee if you ran as a lone target with a cloaked friend you could draw out half the scouts in the game.
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:45:00 -
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The only thing that has changed from 1.7 to 1.8 is that I used to feel that I was going to get shot in the back while hacking and was surprised when I did. Now I KNOW I am going to get shot in the back while hacking and am surprised when I am NOT.
Tip: let the blueberry hack and watch from 4 feet away with a cloak, then take out the shimmer as they move towards your friend. |
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Posted - 2014.04.11 18:54:00 -
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Pisidon Gmen wrote:
your post in a way says exactly what mine dose
cloaks are op 4 these reasons esp on scouts
1 able to shoot from cloak
2 able to recloak if is was not exhausted before uncloaking have seen it meany times where scout keeps disappearing and then shooting some 1 only to recloak in under 30 sec ( cool down before able to recloak not working)
both of these seem to be a glich( unintended effect) and are the biggest problem there should be a short delay of a sec or 2 before a player can shoot from being cloaked
3 combined near invisibility with added profile damping
scouts all ready were near invisible on scans and with passive suit scans
4 the cpu is very high to use on any thing but a skilled scout
over 100 cpu at lowest level try fitting it on any suit at a base or adv level with out having max skills that add cpu and pg then what can u put on the suit with it ? all most nothing
5 yes u can see a cloaked guy moving ( sprinting) but if he is walking or just standing in 1 spot they are close to invisible or a shadow or the sun is low in the sky it gives too much to 1 guy
combine all these things with a shot gun that at the lowest level will kill a proto heavy in 3 to 4 shots yes it makes a scout shot gun cloak very op
what a lot of players seem to forget is that not every one in the game has 20 mill sp invested in there guy or has 2 to 3 mill (extra) sp to just skill in to the next new thing
with out new players in the game that stay with the game how long will dust last?
You say exactly what I say, except not at all. I specifically said that the only reason that scouts are killing you is because you present a target of opportunity, which is exactly how I killed you guys before I got a cloak. I don't care how quickly I can recloak, if I try to kill someone in a group for 4 guys....I.... will.....die. I have too little health to run away after popping one when 3 others are trying to kill me. Plus if one of them has a scanner there is a good chance they can pick up 3 of the 4 scout suits. (Little known fact, most scouts don't include a profile dampener) (Which I don't recommend btw).
Also, the cloak is a finite resource, the reason we can recloak after killing someone is because we manage it, as with stamina, you donGÇÖt go into a situation unprepared. I am not going to engage with my cloak at 10% and my stamina at 0%. I will wait until I have the favor on my side. ThatGÇÖs the 8+ months of experience I was talking about.
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:16:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:
Broken roles, yes. Cloaking is a cheater bar answer in search of some great unfairness question that doesn't exist. Many people have already stated that their general scouty awesomeness was already carrying them without cloaks. Then no one should mind at all if cloaks are removed.
I wouldn't mind if they were removed, I spend more time turning them off and on then killing people nowadays, but it has to be an all or nothing because I could use my OP EYES to avoid people while running across the open before, now I need my cloak because there are people waiting with proto rail rifles from 60 meters away that I can't see waiting to kill me. I only have 300 eHP.
This is all pointless, CCP encoding and made something, they aren't going to take it away, I was giving you guys tips on how to not present yourself as a target, they have never removed anything from this game, even BPO's |
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:18:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Fix the shooting while invisible thing. Buff assaults a very tiny bit. Problem and QQ fixed.
Define shooting while invisible, my cloak wears off as soon as I swtich to a weapon. |
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:33:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:
actully i run with a gall scout with 7mill sp. he hasnt failed to positive in the past few days. 14mill sp pfft..
You must be running intelligently with tactics and not getting greedy going after people which would put you in a bad situation. Do you have patience? NERF AGE AND TACTICS, they ARE OP TOO. |
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:39:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Aszazel wrote:Boot Booter wrote:Fix the shooting while invisible thing. Buff assaults a very tiny bit. Problem and QQ fixed. Define shooting while invisible, my cloak wears off as soon as I switch to anything other than my cloak. News flash it doesn't. There has been a half million posts about this. I shouldn't need to define it for you but if you switch weapons s and start firing you can get a few rounds off while still invisible. I've heard upwards of 2 shotty blasts.
Actually if you were referring to the glitch were you could start hacking something and switch to a weapon and run around cloaked with it out
1. It only lasted as long as the cloak was active til it ran out of energy
2. It was hotfixed several days ago
If you are referring to my ability to switch away from cloak and insta shoot, then I will refer you to another post I just made.
I have MANY MANY MANY times, accidently hit the trigger button instead of the weapon switch button and completed the full animation of turning off my cloak, THEN, I realize what I did (because if you do it that way, you will be locked into the animation (try it) until it completes. THEN, I switch to my weapon; fully decloaked and KILL MY TARGET. Because I have positioned myself to where they do not see me.
I'll tell you what, you can change the cloak to operate that way full time if you take away the feature that your reticule turns red when you hover over me and I am standing perfectly still watching my cloak timer count down and hoping you will turn away just as you mow me down without being able to react.
In either regard, it's nice to see Colon Blow with their typical sh!tty responses to people, have a good day sir.
Boot Booter wrote: I shouldn't need to define it for you |
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:56:00 -
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The weapon switch + cloak + shotgun arenGÇÖt the problem. ItGÇÖs just that there are more of them now, H3LL, Lightning xVx was going 35/1 a match before 1.8 with A SHOTGUN AND A SCOUT FRAME.
A lot of the "elite" corps that routinely run proto have been getting killed a lot more by suicide scouts and its funny, they control districts and have more money than they know what to do with, and routinely run q-synced squads in public matches of full proto and bring out proto tanks in ambush all to pad their KDR. Now, because they are dying more often, not because they didn't die to scout shotguns before 1.8, but because there are more of them now and they are dying more and wrecking their KDR. Every other post is a QQ from a proto stomper, I don't even really like the cloak, but if this is what the forums are going to be from now on, let me belly up to the bar and drink those delicious delicious QQ tears.
Ohhh, tastes like irony |
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