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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:09:00 -
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Principus Shmoof Triariian wrote:More EVE link, 'nuff said Not really.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Jenza's Pants
The Hetairoi
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:19:00 -
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emm kay wrote:CCP. we need to talk. CPM. we need to talk.
Dust514 as it stands is a very weak game. There is almost a point where DUST becomes repetitive. public matches serve no real porpouse, and even FW battles have a very minute effect in EvE. You killed it in the update that was supposed to support it. I mean seriously, what the actual ****? Why hasn't anyone fixed this? Planetary conquest is almost stupid, with one alliance controlling 95% of the districts ( put a cap on that, seriously. NOW). we are completely isolated in the merc quarters, and subjected to no tactical interaction on the battlefield. However, there is one tactic: shoot or die. That's it. not to mention scotty is in a permanent vegatative state, matching up people with lightning fast idiocracy. there are two (mediocre) tanks in the game: the gun'em down logi and the angryrugar.
So, what can we do to solve this? First off, CCP. you need to stop with the balancing ****. nobody wants things to be moved. you've seen all the hate for what you've done to weapons on the boards. It's time for a wakeup call. Make the weapon stats yellow files. Players will adapt automatically, if you don't keep adjusting. Next is Factional warfare. As of now, I'm probobly beating a dead horse. This update is final, isn't it? well I sure as hell hope not. Factional warfare as of now provides 1/2 the payout of pubmatches, when you have full standings. That is rediculous, and hideous. we need more LP. We also need a stronger connection to EvE. I mean what you have right now for FW is a pile of dog crap on an MCC. How do eve players find dust bunnies? A) they don't PC. how ugly this one is. you let one alliance bastardize the whole thing, CCP. you let one organization ruin the whole game for any other player out there. PC also has little/no effect in eve. I mean common, why isn't there any interaction yet?
So, CCP, what do you need to do from here? The first order of business is to scrub the game of bugs. Are you adjusting the game again? do you want bugs? that's how you get bugs! nobody needs a mis-firing forge gun, or an airzooka. once you have polished every major bug from the code, get to work on content. we (players) want new things, not this **** you call rebalancing.
CCP. you're killing a good game. why are you doing this?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:43:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Can you tell me where you guys are getting how much Dust made in this auditor report? All I see is Eve and Dust sales costs. Other than that it's all conglomerated amounts. Which it doesn't even specify dev salaries based upon what project that number is also conglomerated. What page is it on that it lists Dust individually on it's costs and revenue? Everywhere I've looked in the report it shows CCP as a whole on revenue from its games. I didn't even see where it listed Sony's licensing fees for ps3 development. I looked at page 12 where it was mentioned but that's just tax references.
It's spread across multiple pages and you'll have to go back an forth between some pages and the notes to get a better picture of what's going on. I'm not a professional accountant (though I do have basic accounting knowledge) but the picture does look promising for Dust at first glance.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:22:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Can you tell me where you guys are getting how much Dust made in this auditor report? All I see is Eve and Dust sales costs. Other than that it's all conglomerated amounts. Which it doesn't even specify dev salaries based upon what project that number is also conglomerated. What page is it on that it lists Dust individually on it's costs and revenue? Everywhere I've looked in the report it shows CCP as a whole on revenue from its games. I didn't even see where it listed Sony's licensing fees for ps3 development. I looked at page 12 where it was mentioned but that's just tax references. It's spread across multiple pages and you'll have to go back an forth between some pages and the notes to get a better picture of what's going on. I'm not a professional accountant (though I do have basic accounting knowledge) but the picture does look promising for Dust at first glance. The biggest thing that's sticking out like a sore thumb is the R&D cost. But for all we know that could have been a short-term term cost. If Dust is making a profit, it's likely to be making it to pay off the cost of its portion of the R&D. Which brings me to my next point. How much of the R&D was for Dust, how much for Eve, how much for Valkyrie, and how much for WoD?
I'm not trying to be mean, but I just don't believe you when you say if you compare these blanket revenue sheets with other blanket revenue sheets you can pick out yadda yadda, unless you can actually point it out I call bullshit. It's just too easy for people to go well I can tell this was a shoop because I'm experienced in Photoshop line of jargon. Just like you acknowledge with R&D we have no idea what the costs or revenue was per individual game except for the Sales cost which was a fraction of the total costs of the company. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:52:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
3450
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:58:00 -
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OP has "People's Hero" complex.
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emm kay
Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.04.12 18:35:00 -
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You called, sir?
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Delanus Turgias
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.12 19:09:00 -
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ERM, where is it saying that dust is making a profit? It noted that Dust earned 803k USD in 2013, but nowhere does it say what CCP spent in R&D and Salaries specifically for Dust. And I don't know about you, but depending on the amount of staff working on Dust and how expensive the place they use for the Shanghai Office is, I don't think Dust could be turning a profit unless CCP is paying basically nothing to less than 20 people.
EDIT: Oops, looks like those numbers were only referring to Cost of Sales. Which I think is the same thing, I'm not sure. If it isn't, then nowhere in that document are the numbers for how much Dust itself actually made and spent, only CCP as a whole.
Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012
TEST Alliance Best Alliance
Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.04.12 19:22:00 -
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@TYCHUS
I found the link to the thread I posted earlier about this. Perhaps I misunderstood the statement. But still, even if I'm wrong and that there is no way to tell if Dust is making a profit, there is also no way to tell if Dust is costing too much in development. Keep in mind that this report was compiled by a independent third party auditing firm with no ties to CCP. It's safe to assume that maybe those bean counters weren't too privy on making a report that is gamer friendly to say the least.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1943127#post1943127
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Delanus Turgias
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.04.12 19:28:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:@TYCHUS I found the link to the thread I posted earlier about this. Perhaps I misunderstood the statement. But still, even if I'm wrong and that there is no way to tell if Dust is making a profit, there is also no way to tell if Dust is costing too much in development. Keep in mind that this report was compiled by a independent third party auditing firm with no ties to CCP. It's safe to assume that maybe those bean counters weren't too privy on making a report that is gamer friendly to say the least. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1943127#post1943127 Definitely. But it means for sure that everyone who totes the report as "proof" of CCP making a profit from Dust didn't really read into it, and that botn sides are not necessarily correct, it really is just totally obscured.
Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012
TEST Alliance Best Alliance
Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
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