DUST Search - DUST is weak and on life support from EvE.

Bethhy wrote:

lordjanuz wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Roy Ventus wrote:

We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us?

Presumably monetary.

Of course, the OP has no evidence to back up his claim.

We should be able to get content and rebalancing side by side, we are in 2014 and look what state the game is in. Its getting better but far from good enough.

This game should never been relased without PVE , even one of my boys asked me the other day, way should I play there is no story , grinding all the way.

I think CCP might pull it of much depend on fanfest, but what strucks me is when some come with good critics , there is always some that think they are all better then others and have all the right answers. You must be special.

CCP is known for their PVP.

CCP is Known for their player market.

CCP Does mediocre PVE at best.... ????

Seriously with Solid PVE MMO games liek Borderlands, Resistance and Destiny coming out soon what could of DUST done with PVE in say 6 months?

1 year?

What Could of DUST done with 2 years of Developing PVE?

I Fear they are gonna push this PVE Bullshit because of Un informed stupid shallow thoughts like this. And you know what will happen? We will get a massively Under delivered on Piece of crap that will be ANOTHER giant waste of time.

Nothing CCP can do in PVE with DUST 514 in a years time will be WORTH IT.

If CCP Can't Make DUST work with the PVP aspect then DUST 514 is doomed anyway.

Make me sick.

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emm kay Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives 75	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:21:00 - [1] - Quote CCP. we need to talk. CPM. we need to talk. Dust514 as it stands is a very weak game. There is almost a point where DUST becomes repetitive. public matches serve no real porpouse, and even FW battles have a very minute effect in EvE. You killed it in the update that was supposed to support it. I mean seriously, what the actual **? Why hasn't anyone fixed this? Planetary conquest is almost stupid, with one alliance controlling 95% of the districts ( put a cap on that, seriously. NOW). we are completely isolated in the merc quarters, and subjected to no tactical interaction on the battlefield. However, there is one tactic: shoot or die. That's it. not to mention scotty is in a permanent vegatative state, matching up people with lightning fast idiocracy. there are two (mediocre) tanks in the game: the gun'em down logi and the angryrugar. So, what can we do to solve this? First off, CCP. you need to stop with the balancing . nobody wants things to be moved. you've seen all the hate for what you've done to weapons on the boards. It's time for a wakeup call. Make the weapon stats yellow files. Players will adapt automatically, if you don't keep adjusting. Next is Factional warfare. As of now, I'm probobly beating a dead horse. This update is final, isn't it? well I sure as hell hope not. Factional warfare as of now provides 1/2 the payout of pubmatches, when you have full standings. That is rediculous, and hideous. we need more LP. We also need a stronger connection to EvE. I mean what you have right now for FW is a pile of dog crap on an MCC. How do eve players find dust bunnies? A) they don't PC. how ugly this one is. you let one alliance bastardize the whole thing, CCP. you let one organization ruin the whole game for any other player out there. PC also has little/no effect in eve. I mean common, why isn't there any interaction yet? So, CCP, what do you need to do from here? The first order of business is to scrub the game of bugs. Are you adjusting the game again? do you want bugs? that's how you get bugs! nobody needs a mis-firing forge gun, or an airzooka. once you have polished every major bug from the code, get to work on content. we (players) want new things, not this ** you call rebalancing. CCP. you're killing a good game. why are you doing this? -- You called, sir?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12238	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:38:00 - [2] - Quote Of the hundreds of whiny posts like this one, yours ranks at about 2/10. I give it 2 because you actually know what a paragraph is. What exactly did you expect to achieve with this thread? There are dozens like it, and the vast majority of them can't even agree on what the problems are. Then you made a load of incorrect assumptions. 'i want new things' - Guess what, Wolfman and Remnant won't be doing you new maps or snazzy new gamemodes. It's not their job, and it's not their skillset. The people who do that are working on that part of the game. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1640	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:40:00 - [3] - Quote We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12238	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:45:00 - [4] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? Presumably monetary. Of course, the OP has no evidence to back up his claim. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
emm kay Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives 75	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:45:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Of the hundreds of whiny posts like this one, yours ranks at about 2/10. I give it 2 because you actually know what a paragraph is. What exactly did you expect to achieve with this thread? There are dozens like it, and the vast majority of them can't even agree on what the problems are. Then you made a load of incorrect assumptions. 'i want new things' - Guess what, Wolfman and Remnant won't be doing you new maps or snazzy new gamemodes. It's not their job, and it's not their skillset. The people who do that are working on that part of the game. this post shove more words in my mouth than I can bear. Q)"What exactly did you expect to achieve with this thread?" A) change. S)"There are dozens like it, and the vast majority of them can't even agree on what the problems are." A)Oxymoronic, but okay. thread here,. S)Then you made a load of incorrect assumptions. Q) where? i'm happy to fix things that aren't correct. S)'i want new things' - Guess what, Wolfman and Remnant won't be doing you new maps or snazzy new gamemodes. A) okay...... I'm not sure i follow. The CPM's job is to bring the ideas to the devs. S)The people who do that are working on that part of the game. A) hopefully the CPM could reach them :) -- You called, sir?
emm kay Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives 75	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:46:00 - [6] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? Dust 514's development was paid for by EvE subscriptions, and is EvE subs are still partially paying for the game. -- You called, sir?
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 41	Posted - 2014.04.10 18:46:00 - [7] - Quote Insert here - something about laser focused, something about ten year plan, something about SOON(TM). The forgotten "A" in AAA
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12240	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:07:00 - [8] - Quote emm kay wrote: this post shove more words in my mouth than I can bear. Q)"What exactly did you expect to achieve with this thread?" A) change. Either you didn't genuinely expect change or you are a fool. Adding another whine thread to the legions is not how you accomplish change. Quote: S)"There are dozens like it, and the vast majority of them can't even agree on what the problems are." A)Oxymoronic, but okay. thread here,. The template you used? There is very little differentiating your thread from a number of other idiotic threads bar some variations in what you perceive as the problem. Quote: S)Then you made a load of incorrect assumptions. Q) where? i'm happy to fix things that aren't correct. For example, you claimed that Dust was on life support from EVE and that EVE subscriptions pay for it. Care to back this up? The financial model for Dust is quite sound. Smaller F2P games have survived on smaller playerbases with worse financial models. Quote: S)'i want new things' - Guess what, Wolfman and Remnant won't be doing you new maps or snazzy new gamemodes. A) okay...... I'm not sure i follow. The CPM's job is to bring the ideas to the devs. emm kay, original post wrote: we (players) want new things, not this **** you call rebalancing. S)The people who do that are working on that part of the game. A) hopefully the CPM could reach them :) For the first quote, you said that you don't want rebalancing, you want new things. I pointed out that Wolfman/Remnant don't bring you new maps/gamemodes because that's not what they do. They are responsible for balancing and weapon design. Not bringing you new shinies, unless you mean new weapons and suits in which case they are doing that. You've just had half a dozen new suits and a bunch of new weapons. For the second, the CPM do what they can. Contrary to popular belief, I'm certain that they are trying hard to do what they are able to. That does not mean that they can make new content magically appear. It simply doesn't work like that. When you demand new content 'instead of' rebalancing, you show that you do not understand how this system works. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7878	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:13:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? Presumably monetary. Of course, the OP has no evidence to back up his claim. As far as CCP's financial records are concerned, Dust is actually making a profit. Source: http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12241	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:15:00 - [10] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? Presumably monetary. Of course, the OP has no evidence to back up his claim. As far as CCP's financial records are concerned, Dust is actually making a profit. Source: http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf Oh look, solid evidence refuting the OP's claim. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro

emm kay Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives 77	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:16:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Either you didn't genuinely expect change or you are a fool. Adding another whine thread to the legions is not how you accomplish change. The template you used? There is very little differentiating your thread from a number of other idiotic threads bar some variations in what you perceive as the problem. For example, you claimed that Dust was on life support from EVE and that EVE subscriptions pay for it. Care to back this up? The financial model for Dust is quite sound. Smaller F2P games have survived on smaller playerbases with worse financial models. For the first quote, you said that you don't want rebalancing, you want new things. I pointed out that Wolfman/Remnant don't bring you new maps/gamemodes because that's not what they do. They are responsible for balancing and weapon design. Not bringing you new shinies, unless you mean new weapons and suits in which case they are doing that. You've just had half a dozen new suits and a bunch of new weapons. For the second, the CPM do what they can. Contrary to popular belief, I'm certain that they are trying hard to do what they are able to. That does not mean that they can make new content magically appear. It simply doesn't work like that. When you demand new content 'instead of' rebalancing, you show that you do not understand how this system works. well, I pose you: Q) how would you go about trying to induce change? Q) what template would you use for this? yes, the CPM works hard at what they do. I'm not sure they are focusing on the problem at hand here. -- You called, sir?
emm kay Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives 77	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:20:00 - [12] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Source: http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf according to page six, they are in the red by 21,347,476 USD for 2013. EDIT: yes, they did make a profit in 2012!!! I'm happy! EDIT: changed to USD* -- You called, sir?
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 322	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:24:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? Presumably monetary. Of course, the OP has no evidence to back up his claim. We should be able to get content and rebalancing side by side, we are in 2014 and look what state the game is in. Its getting better but far from good enough. This game should never been relased without PVE , even one of my boys asked me the other day, way should I play there is no story , grinding all the way. I think CCP might pull it of much depend on fanfest, but what strucks me is when some come with good critics , there is always some that think they are all better then others and have all the right answers. You must be special.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8224	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:24:00 - [14] - Quote emm kay wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Source: http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf according to page six, they are in the red by 21,347,476 ISK for 2013. If you look for why, they have invested HEAVILY into R&D. They have another game project in the making that we don't know about, and Valkyrie. DUST isn't responsible for them being in the red, they took a financial risk in the hoping that it will pay off in the future. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7880	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:26:00 - [15] - Quote emm kay wrote: well, I pose you: Q) how would you go about trying to induce change? Q) what template would you use for this? yes, the CPM works hard at what they do. I'm not sure they are focusing on the problem at hand here. Talk to your CPM representatives for starters. Since they will be going to Fanfest this year, now is the time to post your suggestions to them in the Council Chamber of the forums. They will be talking to devs directly while they are there. They'll probably be able to talk or find someone to relay your information to the appropriate team if able to. Another thing to do is go Fanfest yourself this year and talk to them in person (be nice to them though). There is also the fact that after Fanfest 2014 we will be having a first official elections for the CPM1 and there you will have a chance to vote someone in or run yourself for CPM1 and hope to encourage change that way. Another thing to look out for is when a new update has been deployed, CCP Logibro posts a thread looking for feedback. If you can get your post in there in the first 2-3 pages, your chances of getting noticed will increase. So stay on the ball with that. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7880	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:27:00 - [16] - Quote emm kay wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Source: http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf according to page six, they are in the red by 21,347,476 USD for 2013. EDIT: yes, they did make a profit in 2012!!! I'm happy! EDIT: changed to USD* That is the result and research and development. R&D will always put you in the red no matter what kind of company you are. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 322	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:27:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: emm kay wrote: well, I pose you: Q) how would you go about trying to induce change? Q) what template would you use for this? yes, the CPM works hard at what they do. I'm not sure they are focusing on the problem at hand here. Talk to your CPM representatives for starters. Since they will be going to Fanfest this year, now is the time to post your suggestions to them in the Council Chamber of the forums. They will be talking to devs directly while they are there. They'll probably be able to talk or find someone to relay your information to the appropriate team if able to. Another thing to do is go Fanfest yourself this year and talk to them in person (be nice to them though). There is also the fact that after Fanfest 2014 we will be having a first official elections for the CPM1 and there you will have a chance to vote someone in or run yourself for CPM1 and hope to encourage change that way. Another thing to look out for is when a new update has been deployed, CCP Logibro posts a thread looking for feedback. If you can get your post in there in the first 2-3 pages, your chances of getting noticed will increase. So stay on the ball with that. Hope to get some answers on fanfest yes.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1741	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:31:00 - [18] - Quote lordjanuz wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? Presumably monetary. Of course, the OP has no evidence to back up his claim. We should be able to get content and rebalancing side by side, we are in 2014 and look what state the game is in. Its getting better but far from good enough. This game should never been relased without PVE , even one of my boys asked me the other day, way should I play there is no story , grinding all the way. I think CCP might pull it of much depend on fanfest, but what strucks me is when some come with good critics , there is always some that think they are all better then others and have all the right answers. You must be special. CCP is known for their PVP. CCP is Known for their player market. CCP Does mediocre PVE at best.... ???? Seriously with Solid PVE MMO games liek Borderlands, Resistance and Destiny coming out soon what could of DUST done with PVE in say 6 months? 1 year? What Could of DUST done with 2 years of Developing PVE? I Fear they are gonna push this PVE Bullshit because of Un informed stupid shallow thoughts like this. And you know what will happen? We will get a massively Under delivered on Piece of crap that will be ANOTHER giant waste of time. Nothing CCP can do in PVE with DUST 514 in a years time will be WORTH IT. If CCP Can't Make DUST work with the PVP aspect then DUST 514 is doomed anyway. Make me sick.
emm kay Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives 77	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:32:00 - [19] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: That is the result of research and development. R&D will always put you in the red no matter what kind of company you are. noted. But in the red is still in the red. I wonder what R&D they were doing? I hope it's good stuff. -- You called, sir?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12243	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:33:00 - [20] - Quote emm kay wrote: well, I pose you: Q) how would you go about trying to induce change? Q) what template would you use for this? yes, the CPM works hard at what they do. I'm not sure they are focusing on the problem at hand here. A: I would talk to the CPM and talk to the devs. You can catch them on IRC/twitter sometimes and it's possible to squad up with some on occasion. The CPM is easily reachable through the forums via the Council Chamber subsection. Most of them have Skype accounts that they openly invite people to come and talk to them through. I chat with some of them daily, because I make an effort to get in touch with them. Then I would make constructive threads explaining precisely what the problem is, why it is a problem, include comparisons to relevant topics, etc. Then I would link it to a CPM or dev. I have had threads where I have done exactly this and the first response was an in-depth reply from a dev discussing the problems and what they were doing to fix it. That doesn't always happen. Good posts get drowned in the trash on these forums. I would encourage you and anyone else genuinely interested in making a constructive change to actually make an effort and try and be constructive. The 'blah blah blah i speak for the people fix this nao' threads are a dime a dozen and accomplish nothing. So, I have a question for you. What do you believe the 'problem at hand' is? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro

lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 322	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:36:00 - [21] - Quote Bethhy wrote: lordjanuz wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? Presumably monetary. Of course, the OP has no evidence to back up his claim. We should be able to get content and rebalancing side by side, we are in 2014 and look what state the game is in. Its getting better but far from good enough. This game should never been relased without PVE , even one of my boys asked me the other day, way should I play there is no story , grinding all the way. I think CCP might pull it of much depend on fanfest, but what strucks me is when some come with good critics , there is always some that think they are all better then others and have all the right answers. You must be special. CCP is known for their PVP. CCP is Known for their player market. CCP Does mediocre PVE at best.... ???? Seriously with Solid PVE MMO games liek Borderlands, Resistance and Destiny coming out soon what could of DUST done with PVE in say 6 months? 1 year? What Could of DUST done with 2 years of Developing PVE? I Fear they are gonna push this PVE Bullshit because of Un informed stupid shallow thoughts like this. And you know what will happen? We will get a massively Under delivered on Piece of crap that will be ANOTHER giant waste of time. Nothing CCP can do in PVE with DUST 514 in a years time will be WORTH IT. If CCP Can't Make DUST work with the PVP aspect then DUST 514 is doomed anyway. Make me sick. No PVE , there will be no Dust514.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7884	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:39:00 - [22] - Quote emm kay wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: That is the result of research and development. R&D will always put you in the red no matter what kind of company you are. noted. But in the red is still in the red. I wonder what R&D they were doing? I hope it's good stuff. A lot of it being good stuff, but bare in mind that a lot of that good stuff probably won't get realized until a year or so later or never see the light of day. Such is the nature of R&D. It's like playing the Florida Lotto. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
emm kay Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives 77	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:43:00 - [23] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Make me sick. roger. this will do just that -- You called, sir?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7884	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:46:00 - [24] - Quote Be lucky that Dust 514 and Eve Valkyrie even got this far in terms of development. World of Darkness which was originally conceived by White Wolf (bought by CCP Games) was announced approximately 5-7 years ago to be the next MMO game from CCP. As of 2014, it is still stuck in the R&D phase. All we know is a couple of CGI trailers which are not even gameplay trailers of WoD. And this is a game that started development years before Dust 514 came to be thought of. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Horizen Kenpachi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 312	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:47:00 - [25] - Quote Gengis kahns real name was temujin and my cats are ginger both boys and i have a kettle when is carrot juice not powering icecreamed waffles its up to u. Hit me with your nerf bat.
LittleCuteBunny 411	Posted - 2014.04.10 19:56:00 - [26] - Quote emm kay wrote: Planetary conquest is almost stupid, with one alliance controlling 95% of the districts ( put a cap on that, seriously. NOW) CCP should never put a cap, even if they wanted to cap he district control ... players could create several alliances to hold land and blue each other or create several holding corps. If you dislike the current situation, maybe you should start a super alliance and fight back your enemies. Retired.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 159	Posted - 2014.04.10 20:03:00 - [27] - Quote Bethhy wrote: lordjanuz wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? Presumably monetary. Of course, the OP has no evidence to back up his claim. We should be able to get content and rebalancing side by side, we are in 2014 and look what state the game is in. Its getting better but far from good enough. This game should never been relased without PVE , even one of my boys asked me the other day, way should I play there is no story , grinding all the way. I think CCP might pull it of much depend on fanfest, but what strucks me is when some come with good critics , there is always some that think they are all better then others and have all the right answers. You must be special. CCP is known for their PVP. CCP is Known for their player market. CCP Does mediocre PVE at best.... ???? Seriously with Solid PVE MMO games liek Borderlands, Resistance and Destiny coming out soon what could of DUST done with PVE in say 6 months? 1 year? What Could of DUST done with 2 years of Developing PVE? I Fear they are gonna push this PVE Bullshit because of Un informed stupid shallow thoughts like this. And you know what will happen? We will get a massively Under delivered on Piece of crap that will be ANOTHER giant waste of time. Nothing CCP can do in PVE with DUST 514 in a years time will be WORTH IT. If CCP Can't Make DUST work with the PVP aspect then DUST 514 is doomed anyway. Make me sick. We will get a massively Under delivered on Piece of crap that will be ANOTHER giant waste of time. So essentially... Dust514? Why not add PVE, the game is already an under performing ****** mess should they just close down instead?
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI 695	Posted - 2014.04.10 20:03:00 - [28] - Quote All I read here was Rant, more Rant, even more rant and the idea that the op is entitled for a response. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous DNS first to use game theory. Neo-Realism. Prisoner dilemma look it up b4 you meta
Principus Shmoof Triariian Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services Armed-n-Hammered 85	Posted - 2014.04.10 20:08:00 - [29] - Quote More EVE link, 'nuff said
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 159	Posted - 2014.04.10 20:09:00 - [30] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: We barely have connections with EVE lololololol. What mofoing life support does that game give us? Presumably monetary. Of course, the OP has no evidence to back up his claim. As far as CCP's financial records are concerned, Dust is actually making a profit. Source: http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf Can you tell me where you guys are getting how much Dust made in this auditor report? All I see is Eve and Dust sales costs. Other than that it's all conglomerated amounts. Which it doesn't even specify dev salaries based upon what project that number is also conglomerated. What page is it on that it lists Dust individually on it's costs and revenue? Everywhere I've looked in the report it shows CCP as a whole on revenue from its games. I didn't even see where it listed Sony's licensing fees for ps3 development. I looked at page 12 where it was mentioned but that's just tax references.



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