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Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3355	Posted - 2014.04.09 05:35:00 - [1] - Quote With Molden heath being completely by DNS does anyone else still think it is a good idea to expand PC beyond molden heath because i knew this was something i heard people talking about when i use to do PC with my corp. So i am wondering does anyone still think this is a good idea and why? 110Mil+ ISK Lottery Queen improves gameplay by 100% Inertia dampeners are for poors
CRUSADER2134 Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 29	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:14:00 - [2] - Quote It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. EVE Character MP2008
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3356	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:21:00 - [3] - Quote CRUSADER2134 wrote: It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... Selling Dust ISK Queen improves gameplay by 100% Inertia dampeners are for poors
Wolfica Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 557	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:34:00 - [4] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CRUSADER2134 wrote: It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... this was tried only a few weeks ago... and well, it didn't work. current DNS teams fielded enough fights to win the first rounds, and if insta re upped they would win the second round. then they came back the next day and won the rest. so even with 500 latinos waken up early for it they couldn't beat the half assed teams from DNS Do you even PC bro.... ha I bet you don't.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3356	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:39:00 - [5] - Quote Wolfica wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CRUSADER2134 wrote: It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... this was tried only a few weeks ago... and well, it didn't work. current DNS teams fielded enough fights to win the first rounds, and if insta re upped they would win the second round. then they came back the next day and won the rest. so even with 500 latinos waken up early for it they couldn't beat the half assed teams from DNS if the community can not field enough to overpower DNS now they wont be able to after more districts are opened. Selling Dust ISK Queen improves gameplay by 100% Inertia dampeners are for poors
Wolfica Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 557	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:48:00 - [6] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Wolfica wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CRUSADER2134 wrote: It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... this was tried only a few weeks ago... and well, it didn't work. current DNS teams fielded enough fights to win the first rounds, and if insta re upped they would win the second round. then they came back the next day and won the rest. so even with 500 latinos waken up early for it they couldn't beat the half assed teams from DNS if the community can not field enough to overpower DNS now they wont be able to after more districts are opened. but they will when enough is opened. currently we have a perfect number of teams to defend what we have now. and because the teams that they are throwing at us are groups of players that have most likely never played with each other. vs our teams/players that have been around for years. the current amount of districts in MH we can hold. any more and even with our massive amount of vet players we wont be able to show to enough battles. they need to learn that fighting 1 battle a timer they will never win. unly until they field there own teams and start staking timers will they be effective Do you even PC bro.... ha I bet you don't.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3358	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:52:00 - [7] - Quote Wolfica wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Wolfica wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CRUSADER2134 wrote: It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... this was tried only a few weeks ago... and well, it didn't work. current DNS teams fielded enough fights to win the first rounds, and if insta re upped they would win the second round. then they came back the next day and won the rest. so even with 500 latinos waken up early for it they couldn't beat the half assed teams from DNS if the community can not field enough to overpower DNS now they wont be able to after more districts are opened. but they will when enough is opened. currently we have a perfect number of teams to defend what we have now. and because the teams that they are throwing at us are groups of players that have most likely never played with each other. vs our teams/players that have been around for years. the current amount of districts in MH we can hold. any more and even with our massive amount of vet players we wont be able to show to enough battles. they need to learn that fighting 1 battle a timer they will never win. unly until they field there own teams and start staking timers will they be effective But the current people attacking you can obviously not organize enough to even attack all the district you currently have. You need over 1,000 people to attack all those 63 district at the same time and people could not even pull that off. if they can not bring in 1,000 now they wont be able to after. Selling Dust ISK Queen improves gameplay by 100% Inertia dampeners are for poors
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2560	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:53:00 - [8] - Quote Hmm I'm just thinking how would player counts affect this? I'm thinking in the future albeit but if Counts are increased to 32v32 then you'd be able to hold 1/2 Correct? so maybe the issue is too low of a player count is the issue... or just make it so we can fight on barren planets which should triple if not quadruple our planet count to fight on in MH... How to Leave PC
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2560	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:54:00 - [9] - Quote Hmm I'm just thinking how would player counts affect this? I'm thinking in the future albeit but if Counts are increased to 32v32 then you'd be able to hold 1/2 Correct? so maybe the issue is too low of a player count is the issue... or just make it so we can fight on barren planets which should triple if not quadruple our planet count to fight on in MH... How to Leave PC
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2560	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:57:00 - [10] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Wolfica wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Wolfica wrote: [quote=Viktor Hadah Jr] this was tried only a few weeks ago... and well, it didn't work. current DNS teams fielded enough fights to win the first rounds, and if insta re upped they would win the second round. then they came back the next day and won the rest. so even with 500 latinos waken up early for it they couldn't beat the half assed teams from DNS if the community can not field enough to overpower DNS now they wont be able to after more districts are opened. but they will when enough is opened. currently we have a perfect number of teams to defend what we have now. and because the teams that they are throwing at us are groups of players that have most likely never played with each other. vs our teams/players that have been around for years. the current amount of districts in MH we can hold. any more and even with our massive amount of vet players we wont be able to show to enough battles. they need to learn that fighting 1 battle a timer they will never win. unly until they field there own teams and start staking timers will they be effective But the current people attacking you can obviously not organize enough to even attack all the district you currently have. You need over 1,000 people to attack all those 63 district at the same time and people could not even pull that off. if they can not bring in 1,000 now they wont be able to after. They don't have effective leadership because everyones special... and their opinions matter and ****, tbh get someone to lead not some people, someone and let them command the 1000 and win How to Leave PC

Wolfica Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 557	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:58:00 - [11] - Quote the maps currently are too small to hold 32v32, it get crowded with only 16 guys pushing objectives. so this wouldn't just be a hotfix, it would be changing current maps for increased numbers or adding new maps with larger infrastructures. LAGGGGGG Do you even PC bro.... ha I bet you don't.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3358	Posted - 2014.04.09 07:01:00 - [12] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: They don't have effective leadership because everyones special... and their opinions matter and ****, tbh get someone to lead not some people, someone and let them command the 1000 and win The community can't not even muster 1,000 people at the moment to over power DNS on just one timer so that would mean DNS can stack just one timer knowing the community will not be able to overpower them on that timer. Selling Dust ISK Queen improves gameplay by 100% Inertia dampeners are for poors
weccer Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2014.04.09 08:03:00 - [13] - Quote Tbh...there are players who are not in the donut. That are more than capable enough take on some of the best in DNS. All it takes is a little bit of effort. For every player they have, their is another to take their place. Thats why I gotta give props to OH and WTF for actually standing up to the giants and for OH to actually attack. All you need is one good pc team to take a district. The only thing is the corps from outside of DNS could actually take a couple of districts back if they would actually get a little organised and put a little effort into creating a pc team/pc teams to take on DNS. You gotta remember to...the crown alliance is only held together by a contract. Unless...the story of Kain and Kujo was true. Then...your out of luck. All in all it could be good battles to be had.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 392	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:02:00 - [14] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CRUSADER2134 wrote: It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... I can only assume that no one in DNS wants to take more districts than they already have. There are a bunch of people that were kicked out of MH that have a axe to grind and wont stop attacking all of those districts. Also the part about the EVE support being unable to handle the logistical challenge of giving support across more than one region. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1389	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:19:00 - [15] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: With Molden heath being completely controlled by DNS does anyone else still think it is a good idea to expand PC beyond molden heath because this was something i heard people talking about when i use to do PC with my corp. So i am wondering does anyone still think this is a good idea and why? More land wont fix PC issues....
Bear D'Grassi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 68	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:29:00 - [16] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: But the current people attacking you can obviously not organize enough to even attack all the district you currently have. You need over 1,000 people to attack all those 63 district at the same time and people could not even pull that off. if they can not bring in 1,000 now they wont be able to after. It all comes down to ISK, if you have the ISK you can attack all the districts with the intent of only fielding teams in a few. They wont know which until you hit the barge but would have to prepare. Hit the barge as late as possible to give them as little heads up as possible. Hit the barge earlier to pull them in then pull out and hit another. There are many ways to mess with the heads of your opponent. With the above it means having a couple of bill to throw at the problem, not something we could manage but perhaps there are those out there that could who aren't presently donutted up. Then again this could all be just the ramblings of an old man who has overmedicated on cough syrup...again. NURSE!! Profile damping on my Gallente scout is so good I can't even find it to put it on!
NobIesse Oblige Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 211	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:46:00 - [17] - Quote If the blitz against Nyan San had been with 150 clone packs then 40 timers against 6 teams would have been vastly different. It takes little time to kill 20 clones...bit longer to take 50. Immagine 200 for 60-80 mill isk. Then you can do damage. 120 clone packs for 36 mill are high risk low reward.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 981	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:06:00 - [18] - Quote IMO there is already so much districts available.
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2561	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:10:00 - [19] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Killar-12 wrote: They don't have effective leadership because everyones special... and their opinions matter and ****, tbh get someone to lead not some people, someone and let them command the 1000 and win The community can't not even muster 1,000 people at the moment to over power DNS on just one timer so that would mean DNS can stack just one timer knowing the community will not be able to overpower them on that timer. I'd say otherwise there's 1k you've got to be crafty/say "quit running pubs and bitching that DNS is rich get in the darn PC match" How to Leave PC
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2561	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:12:00 - [20] - Quote NobIesse Oblige wrote: If the blitz against Nyan San had been with 150 clone packs then 40 timers against 6 teams would have been vastly different. It takes little time to kill 20 clones...bit longer to take 50. Immagine 200 for 60-80 mill isk. Then you can do damage. 120 clone packs for 36 mill are high risk low reward. I remember ringing for RA/NF for the Blitz, we got in 7-8 no shows... How to Leave PC

Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2561	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:13:00 - [21] - Quote weccer wrote: Tbh...there are players who are not in the donut. That are more than capable enough take on some of the best in DNS. All it takes is a little bit of effort. For every player they have, their is another to take their place. Thats why I gotta give props to OH and WTF for actually standing up to the giants and for OH to actually attack. All you need is one good pc team to take a district. The only thing is the corps from outside of DNS could actually take a couple of districts back if they would actually get a little organised and put a little effort into creating a pc team/pc teams to take on DNS. You gotta remember to...the crown alliance is only held together by a contract. Unless...the story of Kain and Kujo was true. Then...your out of luck. All in all it could be good battles to be had. Hynox is right... How to Leave PC
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3363	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:11:00 - [22] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CRUSADER2134 wrote: It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... I can only assume that no one in DNS wants to take more districts than they already have. There are a bunch of people that were kicked out of MH that have a axe to grind and wont stop attacking all of those districts. Also the part about the EVE support being unable to handle the logistical challenge of giving support across more than one region. I can only assume that DNS will want to take more districts because really nothing is stopping them from doing so. It's a bad mechanic if somebody can say "we can completely break this game mode if we wanted but we won't, trust us CCP introduce more districts" And EVE logistics side... It sadly does not take a lot to stop a general OB fleet for most of the Dust Alliances. Selling Dust ISK Queen improves gameplay by 100% Inertia dampeners are for poors
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 302	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:26:00 - [23] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Hmm I'm just thinking how would player counts affect this? I'm thinking in the future albeit but if Counts are increased to 32v32 then you'd be able to hold 1/2 Correct? so maybe the issue is too low of a player count is the issue... or just make it so we can fight on barren planets which should triple if not quadruple our planet count to fight on in MH... good lord man PC with 32v32 the framerate would drop to 1. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
CRUSADER2134 Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 33	Posted - 2014.04.09 15:54:00 - [24] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Kaughst wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CRUSADER2134 wrote: It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... I can only assume that no one in DNS wants to take more districts than they already have. There are a bunch of people that were kicked out of MH that have a axe to grind and wont stop attacking all of those districts. Also the part about the EVE support being unable to handle the logistical challenge of giving support across more than one region. I can only assume that DNS will want to take more districts because really nothing is stopping them from doing so. It's a bad mechanic if somebody can say "we can completely break this game mode if we wanted but we won't, trust us CCP introduce more districts" And EVE logistics side... It sadly does not take a lot to stop a general OB fleet for most of the Dust Alliances. This map is very outdated on who the sov holders are but for all you strict dust players who don't play eve here is the map http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Vs7fr04Jiuo/maxresdefault.jpg DNS can't hold molden heath and conquer ALL of eve, MAYBE we could conquer 1 additional region out of the dozens available. Crushing Orbital fleets IS easy, if you don't wise up and realize that you have to make eve connections. Starting an EVE account for the purpose of dropping orbitals by yourself in a lone destroyer or even half a dozen destroyers is just asking to get spanked. That's why Renegade Alliance fought with the DUST Corps with actual fleets, that's why General TSO's was brought in by Dust corps to bring actual fleets and that's why DNS flies actual fleets to defend our satelites. If you think I am jumping all over the map you're crazy, logistics would never be over. That being said, with more regions open everyone not in the donut can go and try their hand and conqueror. Make your own EVE connections, take over the new regions, a few districts at a time. DNS will expand as much as we can but it will be nowhere near close to taking over ALL of New Eden, there simply isn't enough manpower to hold it. What better way to revitalize the existing DUST community and bring in fresh faces than by opening up the map and saying all of this can be yours if you are smart enough to conquer it. Those who can't organize or form eve connections will fail, those who can will be successful. EVE Character MP2008
CRUSADER2134 Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 33	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:01:00 - [25] - Quote At the very least it will give newer teams the opportunity to learn how to Play PC. Not saying it will fix all of PC's issues but it's a start. It will also provide the opportunity to earn some income and build something. What you would see is the formation of the early power blocs just like with EVE. When EVE first started Nullsec had to be tamed and conquered. This is no different. Form your eve connections, there are a plethora of corporations and alliances that will get on board just for the promise of good fights. If you think you don't need EVE support either, you're wrong. Things are coming, and you will need good pilots to back you. EVE Character MP2008
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3366	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:09:00 - [26] - Quote CRUSADER2134 wrote: At the very least it will give newer teams the opportunity to learn how to Play PC. Not saying it will fix all of PC's issues but it's a start. It will also provide the opportunity to earn some income and build something. What you would see is the formation of the early power blocs just like with EVE. When EVE first started Nullsec had to be tamed and conquered. This is no different. Form your eve connections, there are a plethora of corporations and alliances that will get on board just for the promise of good fights. If you think you don't need EVE support either, you're wrong. Things are coming, and you will need good pilots to back you. That is just going from broken to a slightly less broken... So inorder to join PC your Corp will not be able to join by themselves they will need to suck off one of the people in the power bloc. CCP had a chance now to fix problems with PC being expanded to far and go out of control. Selling Dust ISK Queen improves gameplay by 100% Inertia dampeners are for poors
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2563	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:14:00 - [27] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Hmm I'm just thinking how would player counts affect this? I'm thinking in the future albeit but if Counts are increased to 32v32 then you'd be able to hold 1/2 Correct? so maybe the issue is too low of a player count is the issue... or just make it so we can fight on barren planets which should triple if not quadruple our planet count to fight on in MH... good lord man PC with 32v32 the framerate would drop to 1. Let's for sake of arguement say coding nor Hardware were issues though? How to Leave PC
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2240	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:26:00 - [28] - Quote Anything but a complete change in design for pc is a waste of time. I would explain why but most of you are idiots and I can't be bothered Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3243	Posted - 2014.04.09 16:49:00 - [29] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Anything but a complete change in design for pc is a waste of time. I would explain why but most of you are idiots and I can't be bothered I don't think improving the community's experience in Planetary Conquest 1.0 is a waste of time. I do agree that we need a complete overhaul, but complete overhauls take time. A lot of excellent changes could be made to PC with very little dev time invested. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2245	Posted - 2014.04.09 17:21:00 - [30] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Free Beers wrote: Anything but a complete change in design for pc is a waste of time. I would explain why but most of you are idiots and I can't be bothered I don't think improving the community's experience in Planetary Conquest 1.0 is a waste of time. I do agree that we need a complete overhaul, but complete overhauls take time. A lot of excellent changes could be made to PC with very little dev time invested. You aren't suppose to disagree with me remember Taste said I pull your strings Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another

CPL Bloodstone Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 274	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:14:00 - [31] - Quote When will you noobs learn that CCP are master trollers. if you haven't figured that out now.... God help you. John Wayne once said "Life is hard, its even harder if you stupid!". Just sayin If you find yourself in a fair fight, "Your tactics SUCK!"
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 623	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:14:00 - [32] - Quote The guys that know they screwed the community are trying to distance themselves from the people that are proud they screwed the community. A lot of DNS guys being put back on their leashes. Like noisy kids in the back seat of the car. We can pickle that.
Radar R4D-47 0uter.Heaven 592	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:32:00 - [33] - Quote If a certain group could forgive past mistakes damage could be done but instead they wallow in the past and are dooming the future.
Moorian Flav 161	Posted - 2014.04.09 18:39:00 - [34] - Quote Unfortunately, I have come to the realization PC 2.0 (or whatever you would call an actual functioning PC mode) is now an unattainable dream. I salute those that have moved us even farther from that dream ever actually happening (by decreasing the playerbase even further) but claimed they did it for the good of the community. I don't troll; I tell the truth.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 304	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:56:00 - [35] - Quote CRUSADER2134 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Kaughst wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: CRUSADER2134 wrote: It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place. For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do. That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... I can only assume that no one in DNS wants to take more districts than they already have. There are a bunch of people that were kicked out of MH that have a axe to grind and wont stop attacking all of those districts. Also the part about the EVE support being unable to handle the logistical challenge of giving support across more than one region. I can only assume that DNS will want to take more districts because really nothing is stopping them from doing so. It's a bad mechanic if somebody can say "we can completely break this game mode if we wanted but we won't, trust us CCP introduce more districts" And EVE logistics side... It sadly does not take a lot to stop a general OB fleet for most of the Dust Alliances. This map is very outdated on who the sov holders are but for all you strict dust players who don't play eve here is the map http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Vs7fr04Jiuo/maxresdefault.jpg DNS can't hold molden heath and conquer ALL of eve, MAYBE we could conquer 1 additional region out of the dozens available. Crushing Orbital fleets IS easy, if you don't wise up and realize that you have to make eve connections. Starting an EVE account for the purpose of dropping orbitals by yourself in a lone destroyer or even half a dozen destroyers is just asking to get spanked. That's why Renegade Alliance fought with the DUST Corps with actual fleets, that's why General TSO's was brought in by Dust corps to bring actual fleets and that's why DNS flies actual fleets to defend our satelites. If you think I am jumping all over the map you're crazy, logistics would never be over. That being said, with more regions open everyone not in the donut can go and try their hand and conqueror. Make your own EVE connections, take over the new regions, a few districts at a time. DNS will expand as much as we can but it will be nowhere near close to taking over ALL of New Eden, there simply isn't enough manpower to hold it. What better way to revitalize the existing DUST community and bring in fresh faces than by opening up the map and saying all of this can be yours if you are smart enough to conquer it. Those who can't organize or form eve connections will fail, those who can will be successful. Thats kind of like saying if we order 20 more pizzas tonight then probably everyone will get a chance to eat because right now jonny the freaking fat kid eat all the pizza. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
CRUSADER2134 Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 33	Posted - 2014.04.09 23:51:00 - [36] - Quote Sorry you weren't good enough or smart enough to get a slice, maybe if we order 20 more pizzas you can. Welcome to EVE Cuse. Where there has to be a winner and a loser and right now we know who is who. I don't understand why everyone is complaining. DNS conquered molden heath. Why in the HELL should we cater to anyone? Why should we care what any of you want? This is CCP's style of game. Find new and creative ways to bash other people in the face and take what you want. EVE and by proxy DUST are NOT for people who cannot adapt and innovate. If you are not intelligent enough to navigate the politics AND win the wars then you shouldn't succeed. EVE and now by proxy DUST weed out the weak and the stupid and the strong and intelligent prosper and conquer. In this game universe of these 2 games don't ever assume that the game owes you ANYTHING! It doesn't, adapt, overcome, figure it out and think more. Maybe if more of the corps outside of the donut would set aside their petty bullcrap and create a coalition you could do something. But you won't because very few among you can see the big picture in anything. EVE Character MP2008
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3013	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:28:00 - [37] - Quote You can put as many sprinkles on a sht sandwich as you want, its still a sht sandwich. Do surgeons create space for tumours to grow further?. PC is fundamentally sht. Even after DNS takes mh people still can't figure it out?. Loldustlol. Watch the e3 trailer, you might remember that this game was supposed to be good by now. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. Bossing it in my reaper lol.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3013	Posted - 2014.04.10 14:34:00 - [38] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Free Beers wrote: Anything but a complete change in design for pc is a waste of time. I would explain why but most of you are idiots and I can't be bothered I don't think improving the community's experience in Planetary Conquest 1.0 is a waste of time. I do agree that we need a complete overhaul, but complete overhauls take time. A lot of excellent changes could be made to PC with very little dev time invested. This, I have a shred of hope because Kane actually understands just how much of a fking joke PC is. Oh wait the new CPM is soon so bye bye dust forever and welcome to the enhanced prison cell fps experience. Anyway, back to eve. Where the veldspar I'm selling has more significance than dusts whole history. PS. Veldspar is the most basic sht you could possibly mine and manufacture. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. Bossing it in my reaper lol.


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