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Viktor Hadah Jr
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Posted - 2014.04.09 05:35:00 -
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With Molden heath being completely by DNS does anyone else still think it is a good idea to expand PC beyond molden heath because i knew this was something i heard people talking about when i use to do PC with my corp. So i am wondering does anyone still think this is a good idea and why?
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Viktor Hadah Jr
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Posted - 2014.04.09 06:21:00 -
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CRUSADER2134 wrote:It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place.
For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do.
That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games.
Why can't you take all the districts?
Who would stop you?
NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer?
If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't....
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Viktor Hadah Jr
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Posted - 2014.04.09 06:39:00 -
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Wolfica wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:CRUSADER2134 wrote:It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place.
For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do.
That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... this was tried only a few weeks ago... and well, it didn't work. current DNS teams fielded enough fights to win the first rounds, and if insta re upped they would win the second round. then they came back the next day and won the rest. so even with 500 latinos waken up early for it they couldn't beat the half assed teams from DNS
if the community can not field enough to overpower DNS now they wont be able to after more districts are opened.
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Posted - 2014.04.09 06:52:00 -
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Wolfica wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Wolfica wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:CRUSADER2134 wrote:It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place.
For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do.
That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... this was tried only a few weeks ago... and well, it didn't work. current DNS teams fielded enough fights to win the first rounds, and if insta re upped they would win the second round. then they came back the next day and won the rest. so even with 500 latinos waken up early for it they couldn't beat the half assed teams from DNS if the community can not field enough to overpower DNS now they wont be able to after more districts are opened. but they will when enough is opened. currently we have a perfect number of teams to defend what we have now. and because the teams that they are throwing at us are groups of players that have most likely never played with each other. vs our teams/players that have been around for years. the current amount of districts in MH we can hold. any more and even with our massive amount of vet players we wont be able to show to enough battles. they need to learn that fighting 1 battle a timer they will never win. unly until they field there own teams and start staking timers will they be effective
But the current people attacking you can obviously not organize enough to even attack all the district you currently have.
You need over 1,000 people to attack all those 63 district at the same time and people could not even pull that off. if they can not bring in 1,000 now they wont be able to after.
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Posted - 2014.04.09 07:01:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:
They don't have effective leadership because everyones special... and their opinions matter and ****, tbh get someone to lead not some people, someone and let them command the 1000 and win
The community can't not even muster 1,000 people at the moment to over power DNS on just one timer so that would mean DNS can stack just one timer knowing the community will not be able to overpower them on that timer.
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:11:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:CRUSADER2134 wrote:It is a good thing if CCP does it and here is why. There are SO many regions in EVE that can be opened up, they can either be next to molden heath or they can be across the galaxy. While we still take pride in conquering MH, realistically DNS both on dust and in eve cannot conquer EVERY region. We have neither the resources nor the desire to do so in the first place.
For example MH is open now lets say CCP opens up a region in Amarr or Caldari lowsec for grabs. We wouldn't have enough manpower to both defend MH and attack another region, well ok maybe one region but certainly anymore than one at a time would be difficult to do. We will expand as much as our resources will allow us to do.
That being said if CCP did in fact open up the map, everyone complaining about the big blue donut would simply go off and conquer their own regions, and then you will have some REAL politics and SOME real wars. As they conquer each corner of the EVE galaxy they will forge their own eve/dust alliances and create some really great content for both games. Why can't you take all the districts? Who would stop you? NS has 63 districts on one timer none under attack, what would stop them from having 500 districts under the same timer? If people coordinate properly now they could overpower DNS but just don't.... I can only assume that no one in DNS wants to take more districts than they already have. There are a bunch of people that were kicked out of MH that have a axe to grind and wont stop attacking all of those districts. Also the part about the EVE support being unable to handle the logistical challenge of giving support across more than one region.
I can only assume that DNS will want to take more districts because really nothing is stopping them from doing so. It's a bad mechanic if somebody can say "we can completely break this game mode if we wanted but we won't, trust us CCP introduce more districts"
And EVE logistics side...
It sadly does not take a lot to stop a general OB fleet for most of the Dust Alliances.
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:09:00 -
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CRUSADER2134 wrote:At the very least it will give newer teams the opportunity to learn how to Play PC. Not saying it will fix all of PC's issues but it's a start.
It will also provide the opportunity to earn some income and build something. What you would see is the formation of the early power blocs just like with EVE.
When EVE first started Nullsec had to be tamed and conquered. This is no different. Form your eve connections, there are a plethora of corporations and alliances that will get on board just for the promise of good fights.
If you think you don't need EVE support either, you're wrong. Things are coming, and you will need good pilots to back you.
That is just going from broken to a slightly less broken...
So inorder to join PC your Corp will not be able to join by themselves they will need to suck off one of the people in the power bloc.
CCP had a chance now to fix problems with PC being expanded to far and go out of control.
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