DUST Search - Idea to prevent equipment spam

Odigos Ellinas wrote:

Making this changes:

Reduce max deployable to 1

Give more Health-points to equipment increasing by meta level

Make it that equipment can be hacked

No equipment slots for Assaults-Heavies-Sentinels-Commandos suites

One equipment slot for Light-Scout-Medium suites

4 equipment slots for Logistic suites

Will give us this results:

Reduce the number of equipment in the battlefield and make it more important to deploy it smarter and defend it.

The logic can have his role back after the equipment nerf.

Players without equipment slot can hack enemy equipment and take WP for the hacking and if a team member uses them.

New players in Starter fits and Medium suites can get a role as semi logi to earn WP.

RKKR wrote:

Hives?
Limit the lifespan of a hive to a certain time...say 30 seconds for example, after a hive is deployed a cooldown starts before a new one can be deployed and let a logi drop infinite hives down.

Limiting the lifespan of nanohives is interesting but giving infinite hives will make the logi role less needed and there will be no need for higher tier nanohives.

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Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.04.08 02:10:00 - [1] - Quote Making this changes: Reduce max deployable to 1 Give more Health-points to equipment increasing by meta level Make it that equipment can be hacked No equipment slots for Assaults-Heavies-Sentinels-Commandos suites One equipment slot for Light-Scout-Medium suites 4 equipment slots for Logistic suites Will give us this results: Reduce the number of equipment in the battlefield and make it more important to deploy it smarter and defend it. The logic can have his role back after the equipment nerf. Players without equipment slot can hack enemy equipment and take WP for the hacking and if a team member uses them. New players in Starter fits and Medium suites can get a role as semi logi to earn WP.
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 748	Posted - 2014.04.08 03:19:00 - [2] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Making this changes: Reduce max deployable to 1 Give more Health-points to equipment increasing by meta level Make it that equipment can be hacked No equipment slots for Assaults-Heavies-Sentinels-Commandos suites One equipment slot for Light-Scout-Medium suites 4 equipment slots for Logistic suites Will give us this results: Reduce the number of equipment in the battlefield and make it more important to deploy it smarter and defend it. The logic can have his role back after the equipment nerf. Players without equipment slot can hack enemy equipment and take WP for the hacking and if a team member uses them. New players in Starter fits and Medium suites can get a role as semi logi to earn WP. FYI,sentinels don't have equipment slots. And assaults/commandos need to be somewhat free to continue attacking. Other than that,i see no problem with this. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 83	Posted - 2014.04.08 10:58:00 - [3] - Quote Don't see why would you make such a radical changes... when you can just change the icons on the minimap to not cover too much, maybe when there many equipment in one place, it could be maybe solved by merging all of them into 1 or 3 icons next to eachother depends what kind of equipment there is, plus making them smaller.. It is just a visual problem, looks like you want to nerf an equipment... thats not a good solution. Minmatar Logistics since the beginning. Mass Driver my first and the only fully specialized weapon. Explorer.
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:13:00 - [4] - Quote Joey-Number1 wrote: Don't see why would you make such a radical changes... when you can just change the icons on the minimap to not cover too much, maybe when there many equipment in one place, it could be maybe solved by merging all of them into 1 or 3 icons next to eachother depends what kind of equipment there is, plus making them smaller.. It is just a visual problem, looks like you want to nerf an equipment... thats not a good solution. The problems from equipment spam are not only lag,noise,icon spam. Afk SP farming.WP farming for OBs. How many times do you see a mounten of nanohives arround a supplydepo. No strategical reason only WP farming. The bad thing is that the guy who farms better WP without helping his team gets more ISK.
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:19:00 - [5] - Quote Meee One wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: Making this changes: Reduce max deployable to 1 Give more Health-points to equipment increasing by meta level Make it that equipment can be hacked No equipment slots for Assaults-Heavies-Sentinels-Commandos suites One equipment slot for Light-Scout-Medium suites 4 equipment slots for Logistic suites Will give us this results: Reduce the number of equipment in the battlefield and make it more important to deploy it smarter and defend it. The logic can have his role back after the equipment nerf. Players without equipment slot can hack enemy equipment and take WP for the hacking and if a team member uses them. New players in Starter fits and Medium suites can get a role as semi logi to earn WP. FYI,sentinels don't have equipment slots. And assaults/commandos need to be somewhat self sufficient to continue attacking. Other than that,i see no problem with this. You are right but team playing will be encouraged more. New players can skill nano hives to use them on the medium suites and run with veteran players. At the moment moste veteran players are snobing the new players. Logis will have to support the others or the team will lose. And logis will not have enough equipment to support the team and farm WP the same time.
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 897	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:56:00 - [6] - Quote Drops hive, got nothing else to do as I'm out of equipment. Boring! Don't tell me you're another Person that only cares about spam and lag and not the actual logi player? Hives? Limit the lifespan of a hive to a certain time...say 30 seconds for example, after a hive is deployed a cooldown starts before a new one can be deployed and let a logi drop infinite hives down. Uplinks? Keep it as it is, but Everytime someone spawn on an uplink, nearby uplinks have a chance to be destroyed. The closer that uplink is to others, the greater the chance of them being destroyed. That's how you solve equipment spam and keep it interesting for a support role.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 823	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:25:00 - [7] - Quote The fix to equipment spam are flux grenades. Who'd have thought the solution was already in the game?! >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Paul Ellinas Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 52	Posted - 2014.04.08 22:57:00 - [8] - Quote RKKR wrote: Drops hive, got nothing else to do as I'm out of equipment. Boring! Don't tell me you're another Person that only cares about spam and lag and not the actual logi player? Hives? Limit the lifespan of a hive to a certain time...say 30 seconds for example, after a hive is deployed a cooldown starts before a new one can be deployed and let a logi drop infinite hives down. Uplinks? Keep it as it is, but Everytime someone spawn on an uplink, nearby uplinks have a chance to be destroyed. The closer that uplink is to others, the greater the chance of them being destroyed. That's how you solve equipment spam and keep it interesting for a support role. I am a logi thats why i don't like equipment spam the lag is bad for everyone. The truth is for a good logi its to easy to get 2500 WP for the OB. As a logi i know that when i am out of equipment i have to go to a supplydepot to get new. I am using my equipment only after squad members request it. Your solution for the nano hives is a good one exempt the infinite number of hives. There will be no need for prototype hives or for logic to cary them around every one will have them for infinite militia or basic. i will put this idea on the top. The one for the uplinks is not so good. Team members can't see which uplink is the prototype and nobody wants to spawn in a militia one from a team member and lose the prototype.
Paul Ellinas Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 52	Posted - 2014.04.08 22:59:00 - [9] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: The fix to equipment spam are flux grenades. Who'd have thought the solution was already in the game?! We are searching here for a solution to prevent it and not to fix it in battle. But thanks for you're time and thoughts.
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 166	Posted - 2014.04.09 04:12:00 - [10] - Quote Similar topic (there are others)... Reduce equipment spam - Equipment Limits & Supply Depots: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1853438#post1853438 Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.

Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 135	Posted - 2014.04.09 04:26:00 - [11] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Making this changes: Reduce max deployable to 1 Give more Health-points to equipment increasing by meta level Make it that equipment can be hacked No equipment slots for Assaults-Heavies-Sentinels-Commandos suites One equipment slot for Light-Scout-Medium suites 4 equipment slots for Logistic suites Will give us this results: Reduce the number of equipment in the battlefield and make it more important to deploy it smarter and defend it. The logic can have his role back after the equipment nerf. Players without equipment slot can hack enemy equipment and take WP for the hacking and if a team member uses them. New players in Starter fits and Medium suites can get a role as semi logi to earn WP. A idea from RKKR RKKR wrote: Hives? Limit the lifespan of a hive to a certain time...say 30 seconds for example, after a hive is deployed a cooldown starts before a new one can be deployed and let a logi drop infinite hives down. Limiting the lifespan of nanohives is interesting but giving infinite hives will make the logi role less needed and there will be no need for higher tier nanohives. I thought equipment spam was stopped when they nerfed all the equipment.
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 899	Posted - 2014.04.09 09:10:00 - [12] - Quote It would be possible to design it so that higher level hives are wanted (bigger radius, more nanites, longer lifestyle, faster cooldown,....) and that other suits aren't attracted to using them like making the cooldown for dropping a new hive veeeeery long for non-logi- suits,.... For the uplinks, make the lower variants disappear first or something.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2630	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:31:00 - [13] - Quote Blah blah, they get more WP than I do with less kills, it doesn't cost way more ISK and SP, it's the only reason for lag, etc etc. This is just like the people who want to get rid of the redline, finding solutions for the wrong problems. 1) flux grenades 2) make it so you can't drop nanohives within 20m of a supply depot or uplinks within 20m of each other. Done. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.04.09 12:54:00 - [14] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Blah blah, they get more WP than I do with less kills, it doesn't cost way more ISK and SP, it's the only reason for lag, etc etc. This is just like the people who want to get rid of the redline, finding solutions for the wrong problems. 1) flux grenades 2) make it so you can't drop nanohives within 20m of a supply depot or uplinks within 20m of each other. Done. Did you read the posts above you??? As we already said your point 1) is a solution to fix the equipment spam after it happened we are searching ways to prevent it. Your point 2) is a good idea will put it not the top. As said on top their is already a discussion about the equipment spam so leave your comments there: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1853438#post1853438
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 84	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:11:00 - [15] - Quote They were nerfed enough, multiple times. It is a visual problem not a balance problem. And the visual changes a lot, like others said FPS, lag and so on. Nerfing it internally would bring too many problems. Think how many people use equipment for many different uses. Maybe just prevent putting too much equipment in a location where there is enough, some kind of radius when the equipment count in a single location reaches it's limit. Minmatar Logistics since the beginning. Mass Driver my first and the only fully specialized weapon. Explorer.
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:20:00 - [16] - Quote Joey-Number1 wrote: They were nerfed enough, multiple times. It is a visual problem not a balance problem. And the visual changes a lot, like others said FPS, lag and so on. Nerfing it internally would bring too many problems. Think how many people use equipment for many different uses. Maybe just prevent putting too much equipment in a location where there is enough, some kind of radius when the equipment count in a single location reaches it's limit. Did you read the posts above you??? We said that already!!! As said on top their is already a discussion about the equipment spam so leave your comments there: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1853438#post1853438
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 136	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:38:00 - [17] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Joey-Number1 wrote: They were nerfed enough, multiple times. It is a visual problem not a balance problem. And the visual changes a lot, like others said FPS, lag and so on. Nerfing it internally would bring too many problems. Think how many people use equipment for many different uses. Maybe just prevent putting too much equipment in a location where there is enough, some kind of radius when the equipment count in a single location reaches it's limit. Did you read the posts above you??? We said that already!!! As said on top their is already a discussion about the equipment spam so leave your comments there: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1853438#post1853438 Stop being such a jerk
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 834	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:45:00 - [18] - Quote Paul Ellinas wrote: Vespasian Andendare wrote: The fix to equipment spam are flux grenades. Who'd have thought the solution was already in the game?! We are searching here for a solution to prevent it and not to fix it in battle. But thanks for you're time and thoughts. Prevent it? Are you kidding? How about use common sense. If there's an uplink there already, hrmmmm...what to do....guess what--don't put another one down. But instead of common sense you are advocating artificial limits in game so that people no longer have to be situationally aware? Honestly, this game is more than just point and shoot. If people aren't capable of even simple thoughts: "oh, there's an uplink nearby already; maybe I shouldn't place one so close," then really maybe this isn't the game for them. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
X7 lion SWAMPERIUM 150	Posted - 2014.04.09 13:54:00 - [19] - Quote from a lagg generating stand point i wish they would just simplify the effect, so you dont have 60 entity's generating a effect that needs to be rendered Immortality will not protect you from me. I am death incarnate, you will die.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2632	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:03:00 - [20] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: Paul Ellinas wrote: Vespasian Andendare wrote: The fix to equipment spam are flux grenades. Who'd have thought the solution was already in the game?! We are searching here for a solution to prevent it and not to fix it in battle. But thanks for you're time and thoughts. Prevent it? Are you kidding? How about use common sense. If there's an uplink there already, hrmmmm...what to do....guess what--don't put another one down. But instead of common sense you are advocating artificial limits in game so that people no longer have to be situationally aware? Honestly, this game is more than just point and shoot. If people aren't capable of even simple thoughts: "oh, there's an uplink nearby already; maybe I shouldn't place one so close," then really maybe this isn't the game for them. QFT. Making massive changes to existing game mechanics is an often proposed but almost invariably short-sighted and counter productive "solution" to either the wrong problem or one that doesn't really exist. To wit: 1) Equipment spam causes lag, I hate lag: May or may not be true. How about we fix whatever it is about the equipment that allegedly causes the lag? 2) The map is hard to read: Fix the map, give us better zoom options and rotation. 3) People are just WP farming: Give them PvE or better matchmaking or gear-restricted game modes so they have an alternative to getting protostomped. This also goes along with the laughable "get rid of the redline" threads. Basically what I am saying is we are going about this all wrong. Instead of completely destroying the way many victory- and team-oriented players (like myself) play this game which is already hemorrhaging active players there are any number of ways to restrict the objectionable and mindless uses of the equipment in question, like the thing about supply depots which I have literally suggested dozens of times in these forums already. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.04.09 14:49:00 - [21] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: Joey-Number1 wrote: They were nerfed enough, multiple times. It is a visual problem not a balance problem. And the visual changes a lot, like others said FPS, lag and so on. Nerfing it internally would bring too many problems. Think how many people use equipment for many different uses. Maybe just prevent putting too much equipment in a location where there is enough, some kind of radius when the equipment count in a single location reaches it's limit. Did you read the posts above you??? We said that already!!! As said on top their is already a discussion about the equipment spam so leave your comments there: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1853438#post1853438 Stop being such a jerk I can't man GÇª. i can't GÇª.. i was born this way
neolutumus The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 33	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:27:00 - [22] - Quote Here's a better idea. Increase Flux grenade magazine to 3. Make Plasma cannon have huge blast radius, but affect shields/equipment only (like flux). Make "emp" style remote explosive, destroys drops and decloaks for x seconds in blast radius. (1/equipment slot) agree with the hacking thing, but I think hacking should allow you to acquire said item via salvage at end of battle, not have it deployed @ the location it is currently in. And aside from brick scouts, scouts just became usable again, and I believe should retain the 2 equipment slots on their suits. Equipment spam is only a problem when the players do nothing to eliminate the spam. 1 well placed flux grenade can fix the problem. (although I DO get the issue with lag issues, which can be caused by pretty much any type of spam) Give DUST514 some direction.
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.04.09 19:39:00 - [23] - Quote Nice ideas but we are talking here for ways to prevent the spam and not to destroy it after it happened. DONT POST ANYMORE HERE POST HERE: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1853438#post1853438


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