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Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 22:58:00 - [1] - Quote Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic. So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this. Here's an example of what I am trying to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3601	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:00:00 - [2] - Quote well it's a tactic It's like having a heavy camping the objective or a sniper watching the objective So no "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2710	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:01:00 - [3] - Quote Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3813	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:02:00 - [4] - Quote So basically you're annoyed because you didn't check the objective before trying to cap it. No.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 471	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:03:00 - [5] - Quote lol people will whine about anything
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 161	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:03:00 - [6] - Quote No. Easy counter, run precision enhancers. This would absolutely ruin the whole speed hack w/ a cloak trick. I'm a logi now! :D
TunRa Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 537	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:05:00 - [7] - Quote Easy fix, go in with two people. One guy hacks and the other covers. In other words...TEAM PLAY! Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:05:00 - [8] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: So basically you're annoyed because you didn't check the objective before trying to cap it. I knew a smart ass comment would make it here inevitably. Do you even know where they are going to be? They can easily know where you are if they have an overview of the area. You CANNOT scan the area if there are at least 2 sometimes 3 scouts with cloak ON AN OBJECTIVE.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion League of Infamy 170	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:06:00 - [9] - Quote Your butt hurt I can understand but really you should give me your isk and go play something else. Or. You can hot fix your awareness so you won't be caught out by camper scouts/over watch snipers/general insert suit name here player who WANTS to make sure no one takes the objective. ....actually just give me your isk. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:07:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic.

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3603	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:10:00 - [11] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. cloak makes you invisible... you can't see invisible players... complain about balance of invisible players being invisible and waiting "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4604	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:11:00 - [12] - Quote This is why I don't hack stuff. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
TunRa Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 537	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:12:00 - [13] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. Actually yes it is, ever here of WW2? Well let me tell you, on the D-Day landings the Germans just "sat there" in bunkers. Crazy right? Well mass casualties resulted from the Germans sitting there. Eventually tho through endless waves of infantry we overcame their defenses. Basically zerg rush will kill any defense. Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:12:00 - [14] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Your butt hurt I can understand but really you should give me your isk and go play something else. Or. You can hot fix your awareness so you won't be caught out by camper scouts/over watch snipers/general insert suit name here player who WANTS to make sure no one takes the objective. ....actually just give me your isk. I'm butthurt now? Hmm... They are easy as hell to kill once I find them but when it's half a squad of Scouts or anyone sitting their, it's game breaking. I would expect this reply from someone who is incompetent about useless tactics. Why don't you actually give constructive criticism instead of useless banter. And I would expect you to defend it, it's not like you're actually good at this game right.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:14:00 - [15] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. cloak makes you invisible... you can't see invisible players... complain about balance of invisible players being invisible and waiting I never stated once about nerfing cloaks they are balanced, but when you have people just sitting their on an objective BARELY moving until someone is on it, that falls IN LINE with redline sniping and rail tank sniping.
Jenza's Pants The Hetairoi 149	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:14:00 - [16] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: So basically you're annoyed because you didn't check the objective before trying to cap it. should have used flux to decloak that scout......oh wait..
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 975	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:15:00 - [17] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Your butt hurt I can understand but really you should give me your isk and go play something else. Or. You can hot fix your awareness so you won't be caught out by camper scouts/over watch snipers/general insert suit name here player who WANTS to make sure no one takes the objective. ....actually just give me your isk. Lightening is one of the best scouts in the game. He is more likely to give you a new reason to spawn. In other news, I hate playing against Lightening. Looking for the scout hangout?
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:16:00 - [18] - Quote TunRa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. Actually yes it is, ever here of WW2? Well let me tell you, on the D-Day landings the Germans just "sat there" in bunkers. Crazy right? Well mass casualties resulted from the Germans sitting there. Eventually tho through endless waves of infantry we overcame their defenses. Basically zerg rush will kill any defense. You do realize that THIS IS A GAME. And it should be balanced and fun for everyone not be one side, I can see now why this game is losing it's playerbase because your supporting cheap gameplay.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 161	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:18:00 - [19] - Quote Precision Enhancers. I'm a logi now! :D
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3603	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:19:00 - [20] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. cloak makes you invisible... you can't see invisible players... complain about balance of invisible players being invisible and waiting I never stated once about nerfing cloaks they are balanced, but when you have people just sitting their on an objective BARELY moving until someone is on it, that falls IN LINE with redline sniping and rail tank sniping. HOW? You're able to get to them You're able to easily counter them with precision enhancers You can see them if you look close enough Just because they stand still doesn't mean they're equal to redliners, they're not abusing a mechanic "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/

Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:20:00 - [21] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: This is why I don't hack stuff. That is ANOTHER reason why I don't now. It's cheap as hell and when you are stuck with blues that have no idea what they are doing they will continuously go through there like meat to a grinder. And be like wow this is cheap Im leaving this match/or game.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3607	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:21:00 - [22] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: This is why I don't hack stuff. That is ANOTHER reason why I don't now. It's cheap as hell and when you are stuck with blues that have no idea what they are doing they will continuously go through there like meat to a grinder. And be like wow this is cheap Im leaving this match/or game. its not cheap they're using the cloak to CLOAK and point guard "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
TunRa Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 537	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:22:00 - [23] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: TunRa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. Actually yes it is, ever here of WW2? Well let me tell you, on the D-Day landings the Germans just "sat there" in bunkers. Crazy right? Well mass casualties resulted from the Germans sitting there. Eventually tho through endless waves of infantry we overcame their defenses. Basically zerg rush will kill any defense. You do realize that THIS IS A GAME. And it should be balanced and fun for everyone not be one side, I can see now why this game is losing it's playerbase because your supporting cheap gameplay. No, I support tactics. If you want to be a lone wolf go play COD, I only want the players willing to squad up and have a fun battle with tons of tactics and reverse tactics. Dust is supposed to be revolutionary not GENERIC, all all you whiners are trying to make it GENERIC! Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:27:00 - [24] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. cloak makes you invisible... you can't see invisible players... complain about balance of invisible players being invisible and waiting I never stated once about nerfing cloaks they are balanced, but when you have people just sitting their on an objective BARELY moving until someone is on it, that falls IN LINE with redline sniping and rail tank sniping. HOW? You're able to get to them You're able to easily counter them with precision enhancers You can see them if you look close enough Just because they stand still doesn't mean they're equal to redliners, they're not abusing a mechanic When you sit at an objective to farm easy kills without penalty that's game breaking, especially when they can see you and you have NO defense against them. I personally can pick 1 sometimes 2 off but when almost a whole squad does it, it's ridiculous. And if anything I AM A SCOUT, and I'm asking for balance NOT NERFING. Why should someone (not just me) sacrifice their style of gameplay for another one that is completely dominant? No, I'm not cheap and I definitely do not expect new players to do so as well.
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 36	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:28:00 - [25] - Quote so.. using stealth and ambush tactics is not a valid tactic?? hmm odd it has been used for several millennia. yeah its annoying getting killed by some cloaked guy with a shotgun or a nova knife, same as getting killed by a redline sniper, a forge gunner on a tower, a brick tanked logi, by a ADS that's just hovering over the hack point and laying waste to everyone, and on and on... but all of those there is a counter including fighting stationary cloaked scouts.. find and use the counters and stop demanding that the game needs to change to make you happy.. at this rate this game will never get to the point of where it could be because every damn patch is a laundry list of complaints.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:31:00 - [26] - Quote TunRa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: TunRa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. Actually yes it is, ever here of WW2? Well let me tell you, on the D-Day landings the Germans just "sat there" in bunkers. Crazy right? Well mass casualties resulted from the Germans sitting there. Eventually tho through endless waves of infantry we overcame their defenses. Basically zerg rush will kill any defense. You do realize that THIS IS A GAME. And it should be balanced and fun for everyone not be one side, I can see now why this game is losing it's playerbase because your supporting cheap gameplay. No, I support tactics. If you want to be a lone wolf go play COD, I only want the players willing to squad up and have a fun battle with tons of tactics and reverse tactics. Dust is supposed to be revolutionary not GENERIC, all all you whiners are trying to make it GENERIC! You consider someone CAMPING at an objective with no other way to fight them back then to spec into scanners or precisions, so thats not game breaking? It must be FAIR and I said 15-20 feet circumference/or radius around an objective not ALL OVER. And If I wanted that kind of "tactic", I would play COD.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4973	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:33:00 - [27] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic. So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this. Here's an example of what I am trying to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM You dont need to have gun game to do well in a game. Current ''Elitist'' corps are proof of this. Proto stomping,HP tanked scouts,R/E abuse,Tanking,etc... Do what i do lightning. When i get to an enemy objective, i just keep circling it... getting kills until friendlies arrive.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:34:00 - [28] - Quote akira 1999 wrote: so.. using stealth and ambush tactics is not a valid tactic?? hmm odd it has been used for several millennia. yeah its annoying getting killed by some cloaked guy with a shotgun or a nova knife, same as getting killed by a redline sniper, a forge gunner on a tower, a brick tanked logi, by a ADS that's just hovering over the hack point and laying waste to everyone, and on and on... but all of those there is a counter including fighting stationary cloaked scouts.. find and use the counters and stop demanding that the game needs to change to make you happy.. at this rate this game will never get to the point of where it could be because every damn patch is a laundry list of complaints. You do realize we are the unpaid QA team, right? My view on it is, maybe there is a legitimate reason why there IS a laundry list of problems. Think about it, how many players are on DUST now in comparison to what is was at launch? I rest my case.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 163	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:34:00 - [29] - Quote Wait, wait, wait... so... you think running around invisible killing people with a shotgun while still partially invisible isn't broken, yet a guy dedicating his entire game, and costing him tons of potential WP is, in fact, broken? I'm a logi now! :D
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3610	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:39:00 - [30] - Quote how is there 0 risk? you can only stand still and when you decloak everyone can see you and easily kill you cloked at objective= hope no one see's/scan you, uncloaked at objective= dead in 3 seconds AND there is a counter... precision enhancers and your eyes if you want to see that scouts are camping the objective ur gonna have to give up some slots to enhancers and have less hp "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/

Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:41:00 - [31] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic. So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this. Here's an example of what I am trying to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM You dont need to have gun game to do well in a game. Current ''Elitist'' corps are proof of this. Proto stomping,HP tanked scouts,R/E abuse,Tanking,etc... Do what i do lightning. When i get to an enemy objective, i just keep circling it... getting kills until friendlies arrive.... I love how you put a sig about me and I completely agree with you on not needing gun game, but you do have to accept the fact it's cheap. Especially when that many people are doing it, you all can disagree on me with this but last time I checked a lot of people are leaving this game, because of balance issues. So mock me, call me a scrub, point and laugh. But I was right on EVERY single prediction/ iteration about this game before.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:47:00 - [32] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: how is there 0 risk? you can only stand still and when you decloak everyone can see you and easily kill you cloked at objective= hope no one see's/scan you, uncloaked at objective= dead in 3 seconds AND there is a counter... precision enhancers and your eyes if you want to see that scouts are camping the objective ur gonna have to give up some slots to enhancers and have less hp So you want someone to run the WHOLE AREA 2-3 times before they start hacking it, so the campers can just sit there all the while laughing and de-cloaking for the kill. Absolutely, Not. And your answer is for someone to have precision enchancers on their suit? Why should they be penalized on part of their suit while other doesn't? Makes absolutely no sense. I see these guys and hear them on my headset but when it's THAT MANY people doing it. It's game breaking you might as well redline snipe if you want cheap kills.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 302	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:49:00 - [33] - Quote I love how people are stating scanners and precision enhancers are a solution to this. A Gal Scout with one complex profile dampener is 100% unscannable while cloaked, add an extra enhanced dampener and they are completely unscannable by any means at any time. In other words, there can be a 600+ eHP scout that cannot be scanned and almost completely invisible. You could flux the objective, but you still won't know they are there, and they could still have over 500 armor left. This is incredibly easy to do, I use my unscannable Gal Scout all the time. All I have to do is sit in a corner, watch all the red dots run past me, then kill them all if their backs are ever turned for even a moment. They could search the objective, but their chances of finding me would be very small, especially considering they have no indication I'm even there in the first place.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:53:00 - [34] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: I love how people are stating scanners and precision enhancers are a solution to this. A Gal Scout with one complex profile dampener is 100% unscannable while cloaked, add an extra enhanced dampener and they are completely unscannable by any means at any time. In other words, there can be a 600+ eHP scout that cannot be scanned and almost completely invisible. You could flux the objective, but you still won't know they are there, and they could still have over 500 armor left. This is incredibly easy to do, I use my unscannable Gal Scout all the time. All I have to do is sit in a corner, watch all the red dots run past me, then kill them all if their backs are ever turned for even a moment. They could search the objective, but their chances of finding me would be incredibly small. Thank you, Shutter Fly. I'm not asking or demanding a nerf I just want it balanced. It should not be THAT easy to get kills. And no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up. True people NEED to look and hear for them but you can't take them out when they are close enough to not get caught or picked up.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4975	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:53:00 - [35] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: I love how you put a sig about me and I completely agree with you on not needing gun game, but you do have to accept the fact it's cheap. Especially when that many people are doing it, you all can disagree on me with this but last time I checked a lot of people are leaving this game, because of balance issues. So mock me, call me a scrub, point and laugh. But I was right on EVERY single prediction/ iteration about this game before. Im not here to insult you. Im here to say there are other ways to deal with this. Belive me it HAS happened to me. BUT, it doesnt hurt a lot considering: a) Im also in a Scout suit wtih a Deadly weapon around the corner b) there are LOTS of other kills that TRULY make my blood boil, like Roadkills! Sniper kills! 2 tanks camping the ONLY CRU your team has? Far worse,far cheaper. So here comes some advice, if you want to take it: GÖª Once you get to an objective Alone, DONT take it, stay around killing spawning enemies and call in for reinforcements. GÖª Carrying WIDE RANGE grenades such as Core Locus, M1 or Sleek will help you dig out those cloaked meanies. GÖª Also Mass Driver if you dont main a LIGHT WEAPON, you can always sacrifice your L slot for a Cool Sidearm as an Assault MD. SMG + MD is dangerous, BELIEVE ME. GÖª Staying in a group can help. I understand cloaked dudes dont like it becasue of radar issues etc...but then group up with other scouts this are just some... :3 Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 255	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:59:00 - [36] - Quote TunRa wrote: Easy fix, go in with two people. One guy hacks and the other covers. In other words...TEAM PLAY! I do understand what you are conveying, and I do not condone OP's message. I do see an issue with your reasoning. It appears that alot of people think like this to. Players that are not scouts are never allowed to be alone, though through combat losses happen and at times you will be alone. Yet the scout is free to not use any teamwork at all. Scouts=COD solo fanboys=bad for the health of dust. Sage /thread
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 163	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:00:00 - [37] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: I love how people are stating scanners and precision enhancers are a solution to this. A Gal Scout with one complex profile dampener is 100% unscannable while cloaked, add an extra enhanced dampener and they are completely unscannable by any means at any time. In other words, there can be a 600+ eHP scout that cannot be scanned and almost completely invisible. You could flux the objective, but you still won't know they are there, and they could still have over 500 armor left. This is incredibly easy to do, I use my unscannable Gal Scout all the time. All I have to do is sit in a corner, watch all the red dots run past me, then kill them all if their backs are ever turned for even a moment. They could search the objective, but their chances of finding me would be incredibly small. Thank you, Shutter Fly. I'm not asking or demanding a nerf I just want it balanced. It should not be THAT easy to get kills. And no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up. True people NEED to look and hear for them but you can't take them out when they are close enough to not get caught or picked up. Please, just no. It's not just the objective campers that use the un-scannable GalScout, and there is, according to the vet scouts, no counter. So, in reality, the real problem isn't the objective campers, it's the GalScout that is impossible to scan, ever. You say, "no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up," yet whenever someone claims the counter to the cloaks are Precision Enhancers, it's utter bs. I'm a logi now! :D
ghtyui fdaqq Kinsho Swords Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:03:00 - [38] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic. So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this. Here's an example of what I am trying to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM The sitting and being cloaked and shotgunning people in the back is the biggest problem I see with the cloaks, its creating cod style play.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3613	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:08:00 - [39] - Quote I must say lightning you've gotten your points across without insults and personal attacks unlike many forum users and I compliment you for that BUT It's still a tactic and you can't expect for every suit u have to be immune to the tactic To counter a sniper you need to counter snipe To counter a vehicle you need AV To counter a cloaked scout you need a suit with a high scan precision Here's a example of counters A level 3 Caldari Scout has a 15% increase to scan precision A level 3 Gallante Scout has a 15% reduction to scan profile Those suits bonuses balance out So for the Caldari Scout to out EWAR the Gallante Scout it needs to give up slots and potential HP with precision enhancers If the Gallante Scout wants to out EWAR the Caldari Scout it needs to give up ITS slots and potential HP with profile dampaners Every tactic has a counter "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:11:00 - [40] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: I love how people are stating scanners and precision enhancers are a solution to this. A Gal Scout with one complex profile dampener is 100% unscannable while cloaked, add an extra enhanced dampener and they are completely unscannable by any means at any time. In other words, there can be a 600+ eHP scout that cannot be scanned and almost completely invisible. You could flux the objective, but you still won't know they are there, and they could still have over 500 armor left. This is incredibly easy to do, I use my unscannable Gal Scout all the time. All I have to do is sit in a corner, watch all the red dots run past me, then kill them all if their backs are ever turned for even a moment. They could search the objective, but their chances of finding me would be incredibly small. Thank you, Shutter Fly. I'm not asking or demanding a nerf I just want it balanced. It should not be THAT easy to get kills. And no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up. True people NEED to look and hear for them but you can't take them out when they are close enough to not get caught or picked up. Please, just no. It's not just the objective campers that use the un-scannable GalScout, and there is, according to the vet scouts, no counter. So, in reality, the real problem isn't the objective campers, it's the GalScout that is impossible to scan, ever. You say, "no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up," yet whenever someone claims the counter to the cloaks are Precision Enhancers, it's utter bs. If scanners and precision's are the only way to get them that's cheap. And lets look at Caldari Scout: you put 1 complex range and 1 complex precision enhancer on their and you can pick up people from HUGE distances and with Gallente you can put just 1 complex dampener on their with cloak and you are COMPLETELY invisible both on radar, visually and by scanners.

Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 163	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:15:00 - [41] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: I love how people are stating scanners and precision enhancers are a solution to this. A Gal Scout with one complex profile dampener is 100% unscannable while cloaked, add an extra enhanced dampener and they are completely unscannable by any means at any time. In other words, there can be a 600+ eHP scout that cannot be scanned and almost completely invisible. You could flux the objective, but you still won't know they are there, and they could still have over 500 armor left. This is incredibly easy to do, I use my unscannable Gal Scout all the time. All I have to do is sit in a corner, watch all the red dots run past me, then kill them all if their backs are ever turned for even a moment. They could search the objective, but their chances of finding me would be incredibly small. Thank you, Shutter Fly. I'm not asking or demanding a nerf I just want it balanced. It should not be THAT easy to get kills. And no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up. True people NEED to look and hear for them but you can't take them out when they are close enough to not get caught or picked up. Please, just no. It's not just the objective campers that use the un-scannable GalScout, and there is, according to the vet scouts, no counter. So, in reality, the real problem isn't the objective campers, it's the GalScout that is impossible to scan, ever. You say, "no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up," yet whenever someone claims the counter to the cloaks are Precision Enhancers, it's utter bs. If scanners and precision's are the only way to get them that's cheap. And lets look at Caldari Scout: you put 1 complex range and 1 complex precision enhancer on their and you can pick up people from HUGE distances and with Gallente you can put just 1 complex dampener on their with cloak and you are COMPLETELY invisible both on radar, visually and by scanners. If scanners and precisions are "cheap" then what do you suggest to find cloaked scouts? I'm a logi now! :D
Vargralor Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:16:00 - [42] - Quote Sure, getting killed by a cloaked shotgunner who is camping an objective is annoying but where do you draw the line? Is it any better when they are camping an uplink or CRU and killing people as they spawn rather than hacking/destroying it, something I have seen a lot of lately? At least you have a chance to react when you are heading for an objective. Often my shields are gone before I have spawned in enough for the controls to respond. The game has changed as it has many times before and will many times again. The situation you describe is one of few that you can actively counter and I have watched people do it. Fluxing an objective doesn't help much anymore which is why more and more people RE the object first. A cloaked bricked scout won't survive that. Multiple scouts guarding an objective is a lot harder to deal with but in a pub match I will cheerfully throw myself at them over and over and over again. Because whilst they are racking up kills against my cheap suits, three or four of them guarding the one objective against my attacks means we have a numerical advantage across the rest of the map.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14175	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:19:00 - [43] - Quote Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 375	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:23:00 - [44] - Quote Campers are bad players and they need to get gun game. But I don't see any difference between a cloaked scout camping and someone that leaves REs on an objective. That's camping from a distance. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 553	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:24:00 - [45] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes. And I'm completely okay with that because I would either find you on my radar, hear your footsteps or just see you. But in this iteration you will have people literally camp right next to an objective and there is no penalty for it. It's an easy kill and rewards cheap gameplay, how is that not unfair? Cloaks are fine EVERYWHERE except at objectives WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS/CIRCUMFERENCE.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1037	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:27:00 - [46] - Quote So... Guy was smart and used his tools to the best of their ability and youmre complaining? "Waaah thale's are keeping me from hacking A on manus flats, op plz nerf" "Wahh heavies with Gastun's HMG is blocking a doorway i continually run into and gibs me, Waah op ppz nerf" Quit yer bitchin and grab either: a scanner, a Calscout, a precision Amped galscout, a buddy, follow a blueberry and cover his ass from afar, or just stop QQing, it's making my floors dirty. Sometimes ya just feel like surfin
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 554	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:29:00 - [47] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Campers are bad players and they need to get gun game. But I don't see any difference between a cloaked scout camping and someone that leaves REs on an objective. That's camping from a distance. Excellent observation, but difference is. With RE's their is an array of ways to counter it: (Explosives, Flux, Shooting, Looking, Scanners) where as the Cloak only 2 ways: (Precision Enhancers and Scanners).....That's a problem. And even then scanners/precision's work but so much. =/
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1038	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:31:00 - [48] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes. And I'm completely okay with that because I would either find you on my radar, hear your footsteps or just see you. But in this iteration you will have people literally camp right next to an objective and there is no penalty for it. It's an easy kill and rewards cheap gameplay, how is that not unfair? Cloaks are fine EVERYWHERE except at objectives WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS/CIRCUMFERENCE. Cloaks have timers. Watch an obj for about 50 seconds before entering and check for blue squiggles. Have a Mlt fit blue walk in and hack, keeping still and checking surrounding areas for blue squiggles. Carry a light frame and stack precisions, then a range amp or 2, pull out shotgun and hack. Redot appears and you counter blap his arrogant ass. Sometimes ya just feel like surfin
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 375	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:32:00 - [49] - Quote I also want to add I would rather get shot by a scout camping an objective than by some red line hugging ***** sniper. At least the scout is in the battle, not sitting in safety like a thales user. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 554	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:33:00 - [50] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: So... Guy was smart and used his tools to the best of their ability and youmre complaining? "Waaah thale's are keeping me from hacking A on manus flats, op plz nerf" "Wahh heavies with Gastun's HMG is blocking a doorway i continually run into and gibs me, Waah op ppz nerf" Quit yer bitchin and grab either: a scanner, a Calscout, a precision Amped galscout, a buddy, follow a blueberry and cover his ass from afar, or just stop QQing, it's making my floors dirty. And why don't you actually contribute to making this game playable for EVERYONE, other then yourself. This is NOT EVE this is Dust on a Console so the only ones who need to HTFU are CCP before they lose more customers.

Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 303	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:34:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes. With cloaks? Means I can take on 2-3 more guys than normal. And this is why the OP's suggestion won't really change anything. Scouts are fast, they do not need to be right on top of an objective to defend it. Once a hack starts they can sweep in and blap the hacker. This was what scouts did before 1.8, the only real change from cloaks is that they can now be even closer to pull off this stunt. What has also dramatically changed is the number of people now playing as scouts, which is why the frustration level has risen so high. Before 1.8 the odds of a scout guarding a point we're low, and they were sort of gimped so not much of a threat. Post 1.8? If you find a point unguarded the chance of a scout being nearby ready to kill you is exceptionally high, to the point where you have to assume there is at least one around. The real question is how do we address this issue? Is the damping ability of scouts to high? is it scanning precision being weak that needs tweaking? Is it the size of the gap between scout scan profiles and most suits scan resolutions that makes precision enhancers seem pointless? Are things fine and people just need to adapt? Difficult to say... EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
mollerz 3245	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:35:00 - [52] - Quote This isn't a problem to fix. It is a tactic to counter I'm getting a bit tired of everyone thinking dying needs to be fixed. HTFU you immortal pussies. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 554	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:37:00 - [53] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes. And I'm completely okay with that because I would either find you on my radar, hear your footsteps or just see you. But in this iteration you will have people literally camp right next to an objective and there is no penalty for it. It's an easy kill and rewards cheap gameplay, how is that not unfair? Cloaks are fine EVERYWHERE except at objectives WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS/CIRCUMFERENCE. Cloaks have timers. Watch an obj for about 50 seconds before entering and check for blue squiggles. Have a Mlt fit blue walk in and hack, keeping still and checking surrounding areas for blue squiggles. Carry a light frame and stack precisions, then a range amp or 2, pull out shotgun and hack. Redot appears and you counter blap his arrogant ass. You're are exactly right about timers but...They can cloak and decloak anytime because the cool-down lessens for adv./proto cloak....So....I don't see your argument. Literally. haha
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 555	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:39:00 - [54] - Quote Azri Sarum wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes. With cloaks? Means I can take on 2-3 more guys than normal. And this is why the OP's suggestion won't really change anything. Scouts are fast, they do not need to be right on top of an objective to defend it. Once a hack starts they can sweep in and blap the hacker. This was what scouts did before 1.8, the only real change from cloaks is that they can now be even closer to pull off this stunt. What has also dramatically changed is the number of people now playing as scouts, which is why the frustration level has risen so high. Before 1.8 the odds of a scout guarding a point we're low, and they were sort of gimped so not much of a threat. Post 1.8? If you find a point unguarded the chance of a scout being nearby ready to kill you is exceptionally high, to the point where you have to assume there is at least one around. The real question is how do we address this issue? Is the damping ability of scouts to high? is it scanning precision being weak that needs tweaking? Is it the size of the gap between scout scan profiles and most suits scan resolutions that makes precision enhancers seem pointless? Are things fine and people just need to adapt? Difficult to say... Exactly, the game is in no way fully balanced and people are running it because its a cheap way of winning/kills. And I'm sorry CCP but you want constructive criticism on Scouts/Cloaks you will get it.
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2280	Posted - 2014.04.08 00:40:00 - [55] - Quote Get CCP to add a new grenade that decloaks and a piece of equipment like a nanohive that decloaks in its AoE. Flux grenades shouldn't decloak but there should be a decloaking grenade. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 555	Posted - 2014.04.08 01:00:00 - [56] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes. With cloaks? Means I can take on 2-3 more guys than normal. Boom answered.
Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 303	Posted - 2014.04.08 01:42:00 - [57] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: No. Easy counter, run precision enhancers. This would absolutely ruin the whole speed hack w/ a cloak trick. I wanted to drop this link here since the argument 'just run precision enhancers' has been coming up a ton. link The tldr is that the argument of 'just run precision enhancers' is just wishful thinking, and is NOT a viable counter. Any scout running a single basic damp will be immune to medium / heavy passive scanning while cloaked. Any scout running 1c+1e damps will be immune to any form of scanning while cloaked. EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 555	Posted - 2014.04.08 01:47:00 - [58] - Quote Azri Sarum wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: No. Easy counter, run precision enhancers. This would absolutely ruin the whole speed hack w/ a cloak trick. I wanted to drop this link here since the argument 'just run precision enhancers' has been coming up a ton. link The tldr is that the argument of 'just run precision enhancers' is just wishful thinking, and is NOT a viable counter. Any scout running a single basic damp will be immune to medium / heavy passive scanning while cloaked. Any scout running 1c+1e damps will be immune to any form of scanning while cloaked. I think you threw the hammer on that guy with logic, OH SNAP!
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 400	Posted - 2014.04.08 02:01:00 - [59] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic. So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this. Here's an example of what I am trying to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM I've fought you in multiple matches in my shotgun scout. You're fun as you make me have to check my surroundings more and always be on guard. Anyway for what you wrote, that's why I always check objectives multiple times before I even start hacking. Takes more time yes, but it also helps prevent immediate counter hacks. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 556	Posted - 2014.04.08 02:09:00 - [60] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic. So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this. Here's an example of what I am trying to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM I've fought you in multiple matches in my shotgun scout. You're fun as you make me have to check my surroundings more and always be on guard. Anyway for what you wrote, that's why I always check objectives multiple times before I even start hacking. Takes more time yes, but it also helps prevent immediate counter hacks. I'm glad man, awareness is key but fighting this is honestly ridiculous. The guy who made a thread about scans/precision's is getting extremely close to what Im talking about.

Skihids Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3251	Posted - 2014.04.08 03:05:00 - [61] - Quote Working as intended. Standing still is the only time the cloak is actually effective. Camping is a pejorative term used by folks who want everyone else to play the way they do.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 557	Posted - 2014.04.08 03:15:00 - [62] - Quote Skihids wrote: Working as intended. Standing still is the only time the cloak is actually effective. Camping is a pejorative term used by folks who want everyone else to play the way they do. Shouldn't the same be said about your statement? And it's more to it then just the cloak even IWS made a thread about it. It needs to be balanced.


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