DUST Search - Easy patch fix to camping Scouts at Objectives.

Lightning xVx wrote:

Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic.

So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this.

Here's an example of what I am trying to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM

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Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 22:58:00 - [1] - Quote Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic. So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this. Here's an example of what I am trying to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3601	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:00:00 - [2] - Quote well it's a tactic It's like having a heavy camping the objective or a sniper watching the objective So no "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2710	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:01:00 - [3] - Quote Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3813	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:02:00 - [4] - Quote So basically you're annoyed because you didn't check the objective before trying to cap it. No.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 471	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:03:00 - [5] - Quote lol people will whine about anything
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 161	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:03:00 - [6] - Quote No. Easy counter, run precision enhancers. This would absolutely ruin the whole speed hack w/ a cloak trick. I'm a logi now! :D
TunRa Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 537	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:05:00 - [7] - Quote Easy fix, go in with two people. One guy hacks and the other covers. In other words...TEAM PLAY! Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:05:00 - [8] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: So basically you're annoyed because you didn't check the objective before trying to cap it. I knew a smart ass comment would make it here inevitably. Do you even know where they are going to be? They can easily know where you are if they have an overview of the area. You CANNOT scan the area if there are at least 2 sometimes 3 scouts with cloak ON AN OBJECTIVE.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion League of Infamy 170	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:06:00 - [9] - Quote Your butt hurt I can understand but really you should give me your isk and go play something else. Or. You can hot fix your awareness so you won't be caught out by camper scouts/over watch snipers/general insert suit name here player who WANTS to make sure no one takes the objective. ....actually just give me your isk. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:07:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic.

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3603	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:10:00 - [11] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. cloak makes you invisible... you can't see invisible players... complain about balance of invisible players being invisible and waiting "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4604	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:11:00 - [12] - Quote This is why I don't hack stuff. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
TunRa Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 537	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:12:00 - [13] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. Actually yes it is, ever here of WW2? Well let me tell you, on the D-Day landings the Germans just "sat there" in bunkers. Crazy right? Well mass casualties resulted from the Germans sitting there. Eventually tho through endless waves of infantry we overcame their defenses. Basically zerg rush will kill any defense. Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:12:00 - [14] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Your butt hurt I can understand but really you should give me your isk and go play something else. Or. You can hot fix your awareness so you won't be caught out by camper scouts/over watch snipers/general insert suit name here player who WANTS to make sure no one takes the objective. ....actually just give me your isk. I'm butthurt now? Hmm... They are easy as hell to kill once I find them but when it's half a squad of Scouts or anyone sitting their, it's game breaking. I would expect this reply from someone who is incompetent about useless tactics. Why don't you actually give constructive criticism instead of useless banter. And I would expect you to defend it, it's not like you're actually good at this game right.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:14:00 - [15] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. cloak makes you invisible... you can't see invisible players... complain about balance of invisible players being invisible and waiting I never stated once about nerfing cloaks they are balanced, but when you have people just sitting their on an objective BARELY moving until someone is on it, that falls IN LINE with redline sniping and rail tank sniping.
Jenza's Pants The Hetairoi 149	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:14:00 - [16] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: So basically you're annoyed because you didn't check the objective before trying to cap it. should have used flux to decloak that scout......oh wait..
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 975	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:15:00 - [17] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Your butt hurt I can understand but really you should give me your isk and go play something else. Or. You can hot fix your awareness so you won't be caught out by camper scouts/over watch snipers/general insert suit name here player who WANTS to make sure no one takes the objective. ....actually just give me your isk. Lightening is one of the best scouts in the game. He is more likely to give you a new reason to spawn. In other news, I hate playing against Lightening. Looking for the scout hangout?
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:16:00 - [18] - Quote TunRa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. Actually yes it is, ever here of WW2? Well let me tell you, on the D-Day landings the Germans just "sat there" in bunkers. Crazy right? Well mass casualties resulted from the Germans sitting there. Eventually tho through endless waves of infantry we overcame their defenses. Basically zerg rush will kill any defense. You do realize that THIS IS A GAME. And it should be balanced and fun for everyone not be one side, I can see now why this game is losing it's playerbase because your supporting cheap gameplay.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 161	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:18:00 - [19] - Quote Precision Enhancers. I'm a logi now! :D
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3603	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:19:00 - [20] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. cloak makes you invisible... you can't see invisible players... complain about balance of invisible players being invisible and waiting I never stated once about nerfing cloaks they are balanced, but when you have people just sitting their on an objective BARELY moving until someone is on it, that falls IN LINE with redline sniping and rail tank sniping. HOW? You're able to get to them You're able to easily counter them with precision enhancers You can see them if you look close enough Just because they stand still doesn't mean they're equal to redliners, they're not abusing a mechanic "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/

Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:20:00 - [21] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: This is why I don't hack stuff. That is ANOTHER reason why I don't now. It's cheap as hell and when you are stuck with blues that have no idea what they are doing they will continuously go through there like meat to a grinder. And be like wow this is cheap Im leaving this match/or game.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3607	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:21:00 - [22] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: This is why I don't hack stuff. That is ANOTHER reason why I don't now. It's cheap as hell and when you are stuck with blues that have no idea what they are doing they will continuously go through there like meat to a grinder. And be like wow this is cheap Im leaving this match/or game. its not cheap they're using the cloak to CLOAK and point guard "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
TunRa Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 537	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:22:00 - [23] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: TunRa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. Actually yes it is, ever here of WW2? Well let me tell you, on the D-Day landings the Germans just "sat there" in bunkers. Crazy right? Well mass casualties resulted from the Germans sitting there. Eventually tho through endless waves of infantry we overcame their defenses. Basically zerg rush will kill any defense. You do realize that THIS IS A GAME. And it should be balanced and fun for everyone not be one side, I can see now why this game is losing it's playerbase because your supporting cheap gameplay. No, I support tactics. If you want to be a lone wolf go play COD, I only want the players willing to squad up and have a fun battle with tons of tactics and reverse tactics. Dust is supposed to be revolutionary not GENERIC, all all you whiners are trying to make it GENERIC! Thanks CCP Foxfour Likes received: 514
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:27:00 - [24] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. cloak makes you invisible... you can't see invisible players... complain about balance of invisible players being invisible and waiting I never stated once about nerfing cloaks they are balanced, but when you have people just sitting their on an objective BARELY moving until someone is on it, that falls IN LINE with redline sniping and rail tank sniping. HOW? You're able to get to them You're able to easily counter them with precision enhancers You can see them if you look close enough Just because they stand still doesn't mean they're equal to redliners, they're not abusing a mechanic When you sit at an objective to farm easy kills without penalty that's game breaking, especially when they can see you and you have NO defense against them. I personally can pick 1 sometimes 2 off but when almost a whole squad does it, it's ridiculous. And if anything I AM A SCOUT, and I'm asking for balance NOT NERFING. Why should someone (not just me) sacrifice their style of gameplay for another one that is completely dominant? No, I'm not cheap and I definitely do not expect new players to do so as well.
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 36	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:28:00 - [25] - Quote so.. using stealth and ambush tactics is not a valid tactic?? hmm odd it has been used for several millennia. yeah its annoying getting killed by some cloaked guy with a shotgun or a nova knife, same as getting killed by a redline sniper, a forge gunner on a tower, a brick tanked logi, by a ADS that's just hovering over the hack point and laying waste to everyone, and on and on... but all of those there is a counter including fighting stationary cloaked scouts.. find and use the counters and stop demanding that the game needs to change to make you happy.. at this rate this game will never get to the point of where it could be because every damn patch is a laundry list of complaints.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:31:00 - [26] - Quote TunRa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: TunRa wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Its not camping, its "tactical hiding". Tactical hiding...hmm Yeah I never knew just sitting there was a tactic. Actually yes it is, ever here of WW2? Well let me tell you, on the D-Day landings the Germans just "sat there" in bunkers. Crazy right? Well mass casualties resulted from the Germans sitting there. Eventually tho through endless waves of infantry we overcame their defenses. Basically zerg rush will kill any defense. You do realize that THIS IS A GAME. And it should be balanced and fun for everyone not be one side, I can see now why this game is losing it's playerbase because your supporting cheap gameplay. No, I support tactics. If you want to be a lone wolf go play COD, I only want the players willing to squad up and have a fun battle with tons of tactics and reverse tactics. Dust is supposed to be revolutionary not GENERIC, all all you whiners are trying to make it GENERIC! You consider someone CAMPING at an objective with no other way to fight them back then to spec into scanners or precisions, so thats not game breaking? It must be FAIR and I said 15-20 feet circumference/or radius around an objective not ALL OVER. And If I wanted that kind of "tactic", I would play COD.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4973	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:33:00 - [27] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic. So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this. Here's an example of what I am trying to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM You dont need to have gun game to do well in a game. Current ''Elitist'' corps are proof of this. Proto stomping,HP tanked scouts,R/E abuse,Tanking,etc... Do what i do lightning. When i get to an enemy objective, i just keep circling it... getting kills until friendlies arrive.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 552	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:34:00 - [28] - Quote akira 1999 wrote: so.. using stealth and ambush tactics is not a valid tactic?? hmm odd it has been used for several millennia. yeah its annoying getting killed by some cloaked guy with a shotgun or a nova knife, same as getting killed by a redline sniper, a forge gunner on a tower, a brick tanked logi, by a ADS that's just hovering over the hack point and laying waste to everyone, and on and on... but all of those there is a counter including fighting stationary cloaked scouts.. find and use the counters and stop demanding that the game needs to change to make you happy.. at this rate this game will never get to the point of where it could be because every damn patch is a laundry list of complaints. You do realize we are the unpaid QA team, right? My view on it is, maybe there is a legitimate reason why there IS a laundry list of problems. Think about it, how many players are on DUST now in comparison to what is was at launch? I rest my case.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 163	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:34:00 - [29] - Quote Wait, wait, wait... so... you think running around invisible killing people with a shotgun while still partially invisible isn't broken, yet a guy dedicating his entire game, and costing him tons of potential WP is, in fact, broken? I'm a logi now! :D
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3610	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:39:00 - [30] - Quote how is there 0 risk? you can only stand still and when you decloak everyone can see you and easily kill you cloked at objective= hope no one see's/scan you, uncloaked at objective= dead in 3 seconds AND there is a counter... precision enhancers and your eyes if you want to see that scouts are camping the objective ur gonna have to give up some slots to enhancers and have less hp "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/



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