You dont need to have gun game to do well in a game.

Current ''Elitist'' corps are proof of this.

Proto stomping,HP tanked scouts,R/E abuse,Tanking,etc...

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Do what i do lightning. When i get to an enemy objective, i just keep circling it... getting kills until friendlies arrive....

how is there 0 risk?
you can only stand still and when you decloak everyone can see you and easily kill you
cloked at objective= hope no one see's/scan you, uncloaked at objective= dead in 3 seconds
AND there is a counter... precision enhancers and your eyes
if you want to see that scouts are camping the objective ur gonna have to give up some slots to enhancers and have less hp

I love how people are stating scanners and precision enhancers are a solution to this.

A Gal Scout with one complex profile dampener is 100% unscannable while cloaked, add an extra enhanced dampener and they are completely unscannable by any means at any time. In other words, there can be a 600+ eHP scout that cannot be scanned and almost completely invisible. You could flux the objective, but you still won't know they are there, and they could still have over 500 armor left.

This is incredibly easy to do, I use my unscannable Gal Scout all the time. All I have to do is sit in a corner, watch all the red dots run past me, then kill them all if their backs are ever turned for even a moment. They could search the objective, but their chances of finding me would be incredibly small.

I love how you put a sig about me and I completely agree with you on not needing gun game, but you do have to accept the fact it's cheap. Especially when that many people are doing it, you all can disagree on me with this but last time I checked a lot of people are leaving this game, because of balance issues. So mock me, call me a scrub, point and laugh. But I was right on EVERY single prediction/ iteration about this game before.

Easy fix, go in with two people. One guy hacks and the other covers. In other words...TEAM PLAY!

Thank you, Shutter Fly. I'm not asking or demanding a nerf I just want it balanced. It should not be THAT easy to get kills. And no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up. True people NEED to look and hear for them but you can't take them out when they are close enough to not get caught or picked up.

Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic.

So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this.

Here's an example of what I am trying to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM

Please, just no. It's not just the objective campers that use the un-scannable GalScout, and there is, according to the vet scouts, no counter. So, in reality, the real problem isn't the objective campers, it's the GalScout that is impossible to scan, ever. You say,
"no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up,"
yet whenever someone claims the counter to the cloaks are Precision Enhancers, it's utter bs.

If scanners and precision's are the only way to get them that's cheap. And lets look at Caldari Scout: you put 1 complex range and 1 complex precision enhancer on their and you can pick up people from HUGE distances and with Gallente you can put just 1 complex dampener on their with cloak and you are COMPLETELY invisible both on radar, visually and by scanners.

Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes.

Campers are bad players and they need to get gun game. But I don't see any difference between a cloaked scout camping and someone that leaves REs on an objective. That's camping from a distance.

And I'm completely okay with that because I would either find you on my radar, hear your footsteps or just see you. But in this iteration you will have people literally camp right next to an objective and there is no penalty for it. It's an easy kill and rewards cheap gameplay, how is that not unfair? Cloaks are fine EVERYWHERE except at objectives WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS/CIRCUMFERENCE.

So... Guy was smart and used his tools to the best of their ability and youmre complaining?

"Waaah thale's are keeping me from hacking A on manus flats, op plz nerf"

"Wahh heavies with Gastun's HMG is blocking a doorway i continually run into and gibs me, Waah op ppz nerf"

Quit yer bitchin and grab either: a scanner, a Calscout, a precision Amped galscout, a buddy, follow a blueberry and cover his ass from afar, or just stop QQing, it's making my floors dirty.

Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes.

With cloaks?

Means I can take on 2-3 more guys than normal.

Cloaks have timers. Watch an obj for about 50 seconds before entering and check for blue squiggles.

Have a Mlt fit blue walk in and hack, keeping still and checking surrounding areas for blue squiggles.

Carry a light frame and stack precisions, then a range amp or 2, pull out shotgun and hack. Redot appears and you counter blap his arrogant ass.

And this is why the OP's suggestion won't really change anything. Scouts are fast, they do not need to be right on top of an objective to defend it. Once a hack starts they can sweep in and blap the hacker. This was what scouts did before 1.8, the only real change from cloaks is that they can now be even closer to pull off this stunt.

What has also dramatically changed is the number of people now playing as scouts, which is why the frustration level has risen so high. Before 1.8 the odds of a scout guarding a point we're low, and they were sort of gimped so not much of a threat. Post 1.8? If you find a point unguarded the chance of a scout being nearby ready to kill you is exceptionally high, to the point where you have to assume there is at least one around.

The real question is how do we address this issue? Is the damping ability of scouts to high? is it scanning precision being weak that needs tweaking? Is it the size of the gap between scout scan profiles and most suits scan resolutions that makes precision enhancers seem pointless? Are things fine and people just need to adapt?

Difficult to say...

Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes.

With cloaks?

Means I can take on 2-3 more guys than normal.

No. Easy counter, run precision enhancers. This would absolutely ruin the whole speed hack w/ a cloak trick.

I wanted to drop this link here since the argument 'just run precision enhancers' has been coming up a ton.

link

The tldr is that the argument of 'just run precision enhancers' is just wishful thinking, and is NOT a viable counter. Any scout running a single basic damp will be immune to medium / heavy passive scanning while cloaked. Any scout running 1c+1e damps will be immune to any form of scanning while cloaked.

Recently, I've come across a few Scouts that have ABSOLUTELY no gun game. They will SIT at an objective sometimes not even moving and camp it. When I see this, it honestly bugs me, because these Scouts aren't the regular scouts I see on a regular basis. These scouts who will not be named, pull this little easy mode out of their ass to get an easy win. And it's honestly pathetic.

So my solution to this problem is to have it where ANYONE using a cloak in a certain radius of it, around the objective should have a distortion field (electrical current) running through them. Let's just have it where it makes sense, tie it into the lore and say the radio frequencies interfere with the electrical system of the cloak. Every time they come to close to an objective on it, distorts their cloak, lets say 15-20 feet from it sounds fair? Or about the same length as the circular arena inside (I think) the Gallente facility? (city map) I would like everyone's opinion on this.

Here's an example of what I am trying to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXkI0PKweM

I've fought you in multiple matches in my shotgun scout. You're fun as you make me have to check my surroundings more and always be on guard.

Anyway for what you wrote, that's why I always check objectives multiple times before I even start hacking. Takes more time yes, but it also helps prevent immediate counter hacks.