So basically you're annoyed because you didn't check the objective before trying to cap it.

Its not camping, its "tactical hiding".

Your butt hurt I can understand but really you should give me your isk and go play something else.

Or.

You can hot fix your awareness so you won't be caught out by camper scouts/over watch snipers/general *insert suit name here* player who WANTS to make sure no one takes the objective.

....actually just give me your isk.

cloak makes you invisible...
you can't see invisible players...
complain about balance of invisible players being invisible and waiting

Actually yes it is, ever here of WW2? Well let me tell you, on the D-Day landings the Germans just "sat there" in bunkers. Crazy right? Well mass casualties resulted from the Germans sitting there. Eventually tho through endless waves of infantry we overcame their defenses. Basically zerg rush will kill any defense.

This is why I don't hack stuff.

HOW?
You're able to get to them
You're able to easily counter them with precision enhancers
You can see them if you look close enough

Just because they stand still doesn't mean they're equal to redliners, they're not abusing a mechanic

No, I support tactics. If you want to be a lone wolf go play COD, I only want the players willing to squad up and have a fun battle with tons of tactics and reverse tactics. Dust is supposed to be revolutionary not GENERIC, all all you whiners are trying to make it GENERIC!

so.. using stealth and ambush tactics is not a valid tactic?? hmm odd it has been used for several millennia.


yeah its annoying getting killed by some cloaked guy with a shotgun or a nova knife, same as getting killed by a redline sniper, a forge gunner on a tower, a brick tanked logi, by a ADS that's just hovering over the hack point and laying waste to everyone, and on and on...


but all of those there is a counter including fighting stationary cloaked scouts.. find and use the counters and stop demanding that the game needs to change to make you happy..


at this rate this game will never get to the point of where it could be because every damn patch is a laundry list of complaints.

You dont need to have gun game to do well in a game.

Current ''Elitist'' corps are proof of this.

Proto stomping,HP tanked scouts,R/E abuse,Tanking,etc...

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Do what i do lightning. When i get to an enemy objective, i just keep circling it... getting kills until friendlies arrive....

how is there 0 risk?
you can only stand still and when you decloak everyone can see you and easily kill you
cloked at objective= hope no one see's/scan you, uncloaked at objective= dead in 3 seconds
AND there is a counter... precision enhancers and your eyes
if you want to see that scouts are camping the objective ur gonna have to give up some slots to enhancers and have less hp

I love how people are stating scanners and precision enhancers are a solution to this.

A Gal Scout with one complex profile dampener is 100% unscannable while cloaked, add an extra enhanced dampener and they are completely unscannable by any means at any time. In other words, there can be a 600+ eHP scout that cannot be scanned and almost completely invisible. You could flux the objective, but you still won't know they are there, and they could still have over 500 armor left.

This is incredibly easy to do, I use my unscannable Gal Scout all the time. All I have to do is sit in a corner, watch all the red dots run past me, then kill them all if their backs are ever turned for even a moment. They could search the objective, but their chances of finding me would be incredibly small.

Please, just no. It's not just the objective campers that use the un-scannable GalScout, and there is, according to the vet scouts, no counter. So, in reality, the real problem isn't the objective campers, it's the GalScout that is impossible to scan, ever. You say,
"no one should have to sacrifice their style to pick someone else up,"
yet whenever someone claims the counter to the cloaks are Precision Enhancers, it's utter bs.

Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes.

Campers are bad players and they need to get gun game. But I don't see any difference between a cloaked scout camping and someone that leaves REs on an objective. That's camping from a distance.

So... Guy was smart and used his tools to the best of their ability and youmre complaining?

"Waaah thale's are keeping me from hacking A on manus flats, op plz nerf"

"Wahh heavies with Gastun's HMG is blocking a doorway i continually run into and gibs me, Waah op ppz nerf"

Quit yer bitchin and grab either: a scanner, a Calscout, a precision Amped galscout, a buddy, follow a blueberry and cover his ass from afar, or just stop QQing, it's making my floors dirty.

Cloaks have timers. Watch an obj for about 50 seconds before entering and check for blue squiggles.

Have a Mlt fit blue walk in and hack, keeping still and checking surrounding areas for blue squiggles.

Carry a light frame and stack precisions, then a range amp or 2, pull out shotgun and hack. Redot appears and you counter blap his arrogant ass.

And this is why the OP's suggestion won't really change anything. Scouts are fast, they do not need to be right on top of an objective to defend it. Once a hack starts they can sweep in and blap the hacker. This was what scouts did before 1.8, the only real change from cloaks is that they can now be even closer to pull off this stunt.

What has also dramatically changed is the number of people now playing as scouts, which is why the frustration level has risen so high. Before 1.8 the odds of a scout guarding a point we're low, and they were sort of gimped so not much of a threat. Post 1.8? If you find a point unguarded the chance of a scout being nearby ready to kill you is exceptionally high, to the point where you have to assume there is at least one around.

The real question is how do we address this issue? Is the damping ability of scouts to high? is it scanning precision being weak that needs tweaking? Is it the size of the gap between scout scan profiles and most suits scan resolutions that makes precision enhancers seem pointless? Are things fine and people just need to adapt?

Difficult to say...

Before cloaks there brought in I would do back line defense with my stealthed scout by parking well outside the objective range waiting for the hack to start and run in and shotgun you before the hack finishes.

With cloaks?

Means I can take on 2-3 more guys than normal.

I wanted to drop this link here since the argument 'just run precision enhancers' has been coming up a ton.

link

The tldr is that the argument of 'just run precision enhancers' is just wishful thinking, and is NOT a viable counter. Any scout running a single basic damp will be immune to medium / heavy passive scanning while cloaked. Any scout running 1c+1e damps will be immune to any form of scanning while cloaked.

I've fought you in multiple matches in my shotgun scout. You're fun as you make me have to check my surroundings more and always be on guard.

Anyway for what you wrote, that's why I always check objectives multiple times before I even start hacking. Takes more time yes, but it also helps prevent immediate counter hacks.

Working as intended. Standing still is the only time the cloak is actually effective.

Camping is a pejorative term used by folks who want everyone else to play the way they do.